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siugrad25
08-19-2007, 08:48 PM
According to The Associated Press, the Sox signed former Yankee reliever Mike Myers. Sorry, I don't have a link, but it just came across the wires here at work and I didn't see it anywhere else posted.

It says he will join the team in Chicago and will make a corresponding roster move.

Myers was 3-0 with a 2.66 ERA in 55 games with the Yankees, but had been struggling against left-handed batters, who hit .312 against him.

chisoxmike
08-19-2007, 08:52 PM
Start printing playoff tickets!

MCHSoxFan
08-19-2007, 08:55 PM
According to The Associated Press, the Sox signed former Yankee reliever Mike Myers. Sorry, I don't have a link, but it just came across the wires here at work and I didn't see it anywhere else posted.

It says he will join the team in Chicago and will make a corresponding roster move.

Myers was 3-0 with a 2.66 ERA in 55 games with the Yankees, but had been struggling against left-handed batters, who hit .312 against him.

Okay. Let's hope this is a start to a good season...2008!!! :smile:

chisoxmike
08-19-2007, 08:55 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070819soxbits,1,3211581.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

He will receive a prorated contract for the rest of this season that includes an option for next year.

MCHSoxFan
08-19-2007, 08:56 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070819soxbits,1,3211581.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Thanks for posting the link.

oeo
08-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Not a bad move. See what he can do for us the rest of the year, and if he's crap, don't pick up the option.

WhiteSox5187
08-19-2007, 09:02 PM
I kinda like this idea, so we got a left handed specialist in Boone Logan, two right handed specialists with Myers and Wasserman. We have a guy who can get anyone out (Bobby Jenks) and two guys who if they stay healthy are nasty too, MacDougal and Thornton.

DickAllen72
08-19-2007, 09:05 PM
I kinda like this idea, so we got a left handed specialist in Boone Logan, two right handed specialists with Myers and Wasserman. We have a guy who can get anyone out (Bobby Jenks) and two guys who if they stay healthy are nasty too, MacDougal and Thornton.
Myers is a LHP.

oeo
08-19-2007, 09:06 PM
Myers is a LHP.

Yes, but he sucks against lefties, which makes him a 'right-handed specialist.'

Rockabilly
08-19-2007, 09:07 PM
I like the low risk move...

Its good to see KW working on next year already... We will be back in the playoffs next year

WhiteSox5187
08-19-2007, 09:10 PM
Yes, but he sucks against lefties, which makes him a 'right-handed specialist.'
Yes...yes...that...is, exactly what I meant...:redface:

Actually I DID mean that, he's a guy who can dominate right handed hitters.

MCHSoxFan
08-19-2007, 09:19 PM
I like the low risk move...

Its good to see KW working on next year already... We will be back in the playoffs next year


Hey Kenny, this one is for you: YEEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!

CWSpalehoseCWS
08-19-2007, 09:21 PM
Off topic, but Fernando Cabrera got released from the Indians, right? I wonder if KW will go after him with a similar deal.

Frater Perdurabo
08-19-2007, 09:22 PM
Yes, but he sucks against lefties, which makes him a 'right-handed specialist.'

Does Ozzie know this?

MCHSoxFan
08-19-2007, 09:25 PM
Does Ozzie know this?

He had betta! :D:

oeo
08-19-2007, 09:25 PM
Off topic, but Fernando Cabrera got released from the Indians, right? I wonder if KW will go after him with a similar deal.

I don't know if this is true, but still, why would we want their garbage? At least Myers can still pitch.

Mercy!
08-19-2007, 09:52 PM
Does Ozzie know this?
Too funny.

But would it make any difference to Ozzie?

southsideirish71
08-19-2007, 09:56 PM
I don't know if this is true, but still, why would we want their garbage? At least Myers can still pitch.

He is a loogy who cant get out lefties. This is why he was jettisoned from the Yanks. Who signs a 38 year old guy who cant do the primary job that he is brought in to do. Oh and before we start the well it was this year, last year he had a hard time with lefties also. With a manager that is overly appendage aware, he will most likely bring him in to face the tough lefty. This is a bad move, and does nothing for the team besides bring in another toy to be used in the wrong way.

dickallen15
08-19-2007, 09:57 PM
I don't know if this is true, but still, why would we want their garbage? At least Myers can still pitch.
He can? How come the Yankees couldn't give him away? How come no contending teams, almost all of them looking for bullpen help, brought him in? He's washed up. This signing is stupid. The Sox need to evaluate guys like Floyd, even Aardsma, and Masset since all 3 will have no options left. Myers would have been available for a minor league let's see what you can do at spring training contract. That's what he should have gotten. Now someone young is going to be sent down, or someone with a lot better potential than Myers in 2008 like Matt Thornton is going to be sent packing. The White Sox shouldn't be in the business of giving on the job tryouts to 38 year olds.

chisoxmike
08-19-2007, 10:00 PM
He can? How come the Yankees couldn't give him away? How come no contending teams, almost all of them looking for bullpen help, brought him in?

Because lefties were hitting something like .318 against him. Thats useless for a contending team trading for...a left handed pitcher.

Myers has been pretty decent in the past. Maybe its something he can work on with us...the Sox are now a AAA club anyway. If he works it out, they can get him for 08 and we would have a nice lefty in the 'pen.

oeo
08-19-2007, 10:01 PM
He can? How come the Yankees couldn't give him away? How come no contending teams, almost all of them looking for bullpen help, brought him in? He's washed up. This signing is stupid. The Sox need to evaluate guys like Floyd, even Aardsma, and Masset since all 3 will have no options left. Myers would have been available for a minor league let's see what you can do at spring training contract. That's what he should have gotten. Now someone young is going to be sent down, or someone with a lot better potential than Myers in 2008 like Matt Thornton is going to be sent packing. The White Sox shouldn't be in the business of giving on the job tryouts to 38 year olds.

Yes, he can still pitch. He's proved it this year with the Yankees.

Why is it 'stupid?' It's a low risk move for a guy that could help us next year. I don't care if he's 18, 38, 52...who cares as long as he gets guys out? We got so caught up this year in other bull**** besides outs when it came to the bullpen. Outs are what we need, who cares how old the arm is that's getting them.

dickallen15
08-19-2007, 10:02 PM
Because lefties were hitting something like .318 against him. Thats useless for a contending team trading for...a left handed pitcher.

Myers has been pretty decent in the past. Maybe its something he can work on with us...the Sox are now a AAA club anyway. If he works it out, they can get him for 08 and we would have a nice lefty in the 'pen.

So he can't get lefties out, so he's perfect for the White Sox? He's done. This is a waste of money, albeit a relatively small amout baseball wise, but still a waste.

dickallen15
08-19-2007, 10:04 PM
Yes, he can still pitch. He's proved it this year with the Yankees.

Why is it 'stupid?' It's a low risk move for a guy that could help us next year. I don't care if he's 18, 38, 52...who cares as long as he gets guys out? We got so caught up this year in other bull**** besides outs when it came to the bullpen. Outs are what we need, who cares how old the arm is that's getting them.
He can't get enough outs. That is why he was available. Forget his ERA, it is very misleading when you only face 1 or 2 batters at a time, or come in with an out or 2 already recorded.

champagne030
08-19-2007, 10:07 PM
Yes, he can still pitch. He's proved it this year with the Yankees.

Why is it 'stupid?' It's a low risk move for a guy that could help us next year. I don't care if he's 18, 38, 52...who cares as long as he gets guys out? We got so caught up this year in other bull**** besides outs when it came to the bullpen. Outs are what we need, who cares how old the arm is that's getting them.

Don't lump me in with that crowd. It was a crowd of one and then a bunch of pollyanna's.......

Patrick134
08-19-2007, 10:09 PM
Yes, he can still pitch. He's proved it this year with the Yankees.

Why is it 'stupid?' It's a low risk move for a guy that could help us next year. I don't care if he's 18, 38, 52...who cares as long as he gets guys out? We got so caught up this year in other bull**** besides outs when it came to the bullpen. Outs are what we need, who cares how old the arm is that's getting them.


Amen. The moves that will help this bullpen won't be moves that wow people on paper. It's getting the right guy at the right time ala Politte in 2005.

Tragg
08-19-2007, 10:11 PM
Meyers is 38 years old...that may be one reason why there are limited suitors. But what the heck - add another aging veteran - that's the ticket for the last 6 weeks. And we're already signing him up for next year.

At least Ozzie won't have to deal with another "kid". Wouldn't want to burden Ozzie with player development. What young player will we send down?

A mighty rosy picture being painted of this bullpen. It's basically Jenks and inconsistency. MacDougal has been terrible. Thornton's ridiculously inconsistent. Bukvich, at the very least, should move 2 of the runs charged to Garland today to his column. Logan's okay for the back end of the pen.

The theory of veteran middle relievers flopped miserably this year. Meanwhile, we do have a lot of minor league pitching talent. I guess it will stay there.....who needs "kids" when there are medicore veterans to acquire.

getonbckthr
08-19-2007, 10:12 PM
This is a Ehhh move. Not horrible not earth-shattering. It could however be the difference next year who knows.

hi im skot
08-19-2007, 10:18 PM
Mike Meyers?

http://www.on2.com/cms-data/images/Austin_Powers_512k_standard.JPG

"Yeah baby, yeah!"



Sorry...someone had to do it.

Right? Right?

southsideirish71
08-19-2007, 10:24 PM
Yes, he can still pitch. He's proved it this year with the Yankees.

Why is it 'stupid?' It's a low risk move for a guy that could help us next year. I don't care if he's 18, 38, 52...who cares as long as he gets guys out? We got so caught up this year in other bull**** besides outs when it came to the bullpen. Outs are what we need, who cares how old the arm is that's getting them.

He cannot get lefties out. He is a loogy, do you really think that Ozzie is going to bring him in to face a righty. He will be brought in to face lefties

kittle42
08-19-2007, 10:25 PM
So, he sucks against lefties?

Ozzie will never have him face a righty.

thomas35forever
08-19-2007, 10:35 PM
Why do I have a feeling this will turn into another Jeff Nelson story?

Tragg
08-19-2007, 10:40 PM
Amen. The moves that will help this bullpen won't be moves that wow people on paper. It's getting the right guy at the right time ala Politte in 2005.

I wish we would go get someone like Cliff Politte or Hermanson...pitchers who were simply good pitchers and who could start or pitch in relief and had done each successfully.

This guy isn't anywhere near that class - he's a career middle reliever. Of course, that's the new approach the Sox have taken after we won the WS.... load the pen with career middle relievers. In 2005, we had ONE career middle reliever in our pen and he was our last pitcher - Viz. Ditch that successful approach and, voila, Ozzie's pen of 2007.

Hendu
08-19-2007, 10:41 PM
Didn't Kenny try to get him in the '06 offseason? I seem to recall that we were pretty close to picking him up as a loogy, but then he signed with the Yankees.

oeo
08-19-2007, 10:44 PM
Why do I have a feeling this will turn into another Jeff Nelson story?

I have no idea, because the two 'stories' are not comparable.

UserNameBlank
08-19-2007, 11:16 PM
Yes, but he sucks against lefties, which makes him a 'right-handed specialist.'

This is true...

So, he sucks against lefties?

Ozzie will never have him face a righty.

...but so is this.

Ozzie doesn't know how to properly manage a bullpen, as seen IIRC last night when he left his righty specialist Wassermann out to be slaughtered by left handers. If Myers can get righties out, use him against righties. If Wassermann can't get lefties out, don't use him against lefties. The lefty/righty matchups work much of the time but they don't work for every single reliever out there, as it seems Ozzie believes.

I wish we would go get someone like Cliff Politte or Hermanson...pitchers who were simply good pitchers and who could start or pitch in relief and had done each successfully.

Politte was a journeyman. We happened to get one good year, one great year, and one terrible year out of him, as is usually the case with journeymen relievers. If he had the track record of someone like Myers he wouldn't be a jounrneyman.

While Myers has pitched for a lot of teams, he can usually get the job done which is what makes him different. It doesn't matter that he is a career middle reliever. If anything, since he has had a good, long career, it is a plus that he is so experienced in that role.

This guy isn't anywhere near that class - he's a career middle reliever. Of course, that's the new approach the Sox have taken after we won the WS.... load the pen with career middle relievers. In 2005, we had ONE career middle reliever in our pen and he was our last pitcher - Viz. Ditch that successful approach and, voila, Ozzie's pen of 2007.
I don't know what you're talking about here. The only career relievers I can think of right now are Shingo (out of Japan), Vizcaino, and Jeff Nelson. Just about everyone we've relied upon since 2005 has been either high upside young arms without much experience if any at all, failed starters turned into relievers without much experience if any at all, and minor league stopgap callups without much experience if any at all. Wouldn't experience be the first thing you'd look for in determining whether or not someone is a career reliever?

Overall I don't think this is a good or bad move right now. We'll have to see how it works out. The only thing that I hope the move doesn't do is push out Logan or Wassermann. Right now, heading into 2008 with Jenks (CL), Thornton (7-8th inning), MacDougal (7-8th inning), Wassermann (righty specialist), and Logan (lefty specialist) is a good start. If we can get another veteran reliever capable of pitching a lot of innings, like Vizcaino was, we should have a good pen *so long as it is used correctly*.

soxfanreggie
08-19-2007, 11:22 PM
I don't mind this signing. You're bringing in a guy who could possibly help us next year. We've seen people have good years and not perform the next, but we have also seen people play horribly and then have a great comeback year. I'm willing to give this a shot. It can't hurt much this year and maybe a change of scenery will give him a boost.

Some people also complain about his 2.66 ERA. If that is misleading, I would hate to see how bad relievers we have had with 6 or 8 ERAs register as.

MySoxAreClean
08-20-2007, 12:20 AM
No Freddy Krueger? Jason?:dtroll:

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-20-2007, 12:27 AM
I like this signing alot. That is of course, if Ozzie uses him correctly

It's Time
08-20-2007, 12:38 AM
http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/myersonstairs.jpg
Breathing.


This move is not a bad one at all. The true definition of: "it can hurt". If he gets people out, maybe he is a cog in 2008. If not, nothing lossed.

areilly
08-20-2007, 12:48 AM
I like the low risk move...

Its good to see KW working on next year already... We will be back in the playoffs next year

You can't be seriously predicting next year's playoff picture before this year is over.

Can you?

Anyway, if we're going to play the wildly preemptive predictions game, I'll say the Sox will NOT be back in the playoffs next year. This year's model + one year older and slower <> postseason existence.

JB98
08-20-2007, 12:48 AM
So, he sucks against lefties?

Ozzie will never have him face a righty.

I agree, and for that reason, I do not like the move.

Ozzie still operates under the mistaken notion that Thornton is a LOOGY. KW just gave our manager another toy to misuse.

Foulke You
08-20-2007, 10:22 AM
I've always liked Myers and I think this is definitely a move in the right direction for our bullpen. Honestly folks, if Myers was in our bullpen this year, despite his struggles against lefties, he would have been (and still be) our #1 setup man for Bobby Jenks. I think some people are forgetting just how bad our bullpen is. Myers is an improvement over a lot of Ozzie's other options and has the potential to be a valuable piece in next year's pen.

I also like KW being proactive about next year. Why wait til the offseason to improve the club? Start reloading right now if you can. Also, before everyone gets their undies in a bunch about this signing, remember, the Sox have an OPTION for next year. If they don't like what they see from Myers, they aren't required to pick it up so why don't we see what the guy has left before we pass judgment on KW.:rolleyes:

kittle42
08-20-2007, 10:54 AM
Some people also complain about his 2.66 ERA. If that is misleading, I would hate to see how bad relievers we have had with 6 or 8 ERAs register as.

People think Nick Masset is great, and his ERA was over 7.

soxinem1
08-20-2007, 11:59 AM
Aw, c'mon, where are all you 'Coop can fix him' people at?

Actually, I would have preferred we go after Fernando Cabrera, if we chase any released players, but COL already got him.

But hey, at the very least we can help Mike Myers' quest in wearing every major league unform!

upperdeckusc
08-20-2007, 12:35 PM
does any1 know what the prorated cost is for myers for the rest of the year? and/or how much the option is for next yr if we choose to pick it up and keep him for '08?

russ99
08-20-2007, 01:09 PM
Not sure that I like the idea of Ozzie tinkering with the bullpen again, now that it's reasonably settled.

Still, this is a low-risk move to add a more experienced player into the mix next spring training, and as one poster said, if he stinks the Sox won't pick up his option.

I wonder if the Riske situation made Kenny give Myers that option??

The Immigrant
08-20-2007, 01:10 PM
Rick White is also available - released by Houston a couple of months ago.

:duck:

TDog
08-20-2007, 01:24 PM
Rick White is also available - released by Houston a couple of months ago.

:duck:

Alan Embree, however, is not. He is a valued member and part-time closer for the A's long after Sox fans demanded his departure from Chicago.

SBSoxFan
08-20-2007, 01:26 PM
Alan Embree, however, is not. He is a valued member and part-time closer for the A's long after Sox fans demanded his departure from Chicago.

He sure sucked against the Sox last week though, not that it made any difference. :whiner:

esbrechtel
08-20-2007, 01:32 PM
Mike Meyers?

http://www.on2.com/cms-data/images/Austin_Powers_512k_standard.JPG

"Yeah baby, yeah!"



Sorry...someone had to do it.

Right? Right?

I was looking more along the lines of....

http://static.grupthink.com/answer/f/f8af64908d1acb797469cd1270e3f0a5
All right...Excellent!

oeo
08-20-2007, 01:33 PM
People think Nick Masset is great, and his ERA was over 7.

No one ever said he's been great. He has the potential to be a good back of the rotation starter, though.

I wonder if the Riske situation made Kenny give Myers that option??What Riske situation? You mean the one in which he sucked major ass, and we didn't want him anymore? Besides, he was traded for, not signed last year.

Foulke You
08-20-2007, 01:53 PM
Alan Embree, however, is not. He is a valued member and part-time closer for the A's long after Sox fans demanded his departure from Chicago.
True, however the reason Sox fans demanded his departure was that he sucked while he was here. He managed to put his career back together in Boston during the '04 season. Good for him but bad for us that he couldn't do it earlier while in a White Sox uni.

hi im skot
08-20-2007, 01:54 PM
I was looking more along the lines of....

http://static.grupthink.com/answer/f/f8af64908d1acb797469cd1270e3f0a5
All right...Excellent!

Much better choice!

Foulke You
08-20-2007, 01:56 PM
I was looking more along the lines of....

http://static.grupthink.com/answer/f/f8af64908d1acb797469cd1270e3f0a5
All right...Excellent!
How about:
http://infomedia.jt.org/arc/char/MiMy-Simon.jpg
"Were you looking at my bum?? Bum Looker!!" :D:

Huisj
08-20-2007, 04:41 PM
ESPN says that Andy Gonzalez was sent down to make a spot for Myers. So does that mean 13 pitcher on the roster?

StillMissOzzie
08-20-2007, 04:45 PM
does any1 know what the prorated cost is for myers for the rest of the year? and/or how much the option is for next yr if we choose to pick it up and keep him for '08?

According to Cot's, he was signed for 2 yrs/$2.4M for 2006-07. The Sox should be on the hook for appx. 25% of the $1.2M, or $300K, for the balance of the 2007. They don't show his 2008 option, but I read in the Tribune that it's $1.1M

SMO
:gulp:

salty99
08-20-2007, 04:50 PM
ESPN says that Andy Gonzalez was sent down to make a spot for Myers. So does that mean 13 pitcher on the roster?

Apparently so.

wildcat
08-20-2007, 04:54 PM
CHICAGO -- The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a one-year contract that includes a 2008 club option with veteran left-handed reliever Mike Myers. Under terms of the contract, Myers will receive the prorated minimum salary for the remainder of the 2007 season, and the White Sox hold a $1.1-million option for 2008 with no buyout. Myers, 38, went 3-0 with a 2.66 ERA (12 ER/40.2 IP) and 21 strikeouts in 55 games with the Yankees this season before being designated for assignment on August 6. The 6-foot-3, 225-pounder held right-handers to a .182 (14-77) average, while lefties hit .312 (24-77).
Over 13 seasons in the major leagues with eight teams, Myers is 24-24 with a 4.11 ERA (241 ER/548.0 IP) in 866 games. He has limited left-handers to a .218 (233-1,071) average. Among active players, his 866 appearances are tied for sixth and rank second among left-handers behind only Mike Stanton (1,164), while his 162 holds are tied for fourth.
Myers takes the roster spot of infielder/outfielder Andy Gonzalez, who was optioned to Class AAA Charlotte following Sunday's game at Seattle.
With the moves, the White Sox 40-man roster increases to 38.

Link (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070820&content_id=2159926&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)

upperdeckusc
08-20-2007, 05:00 PM
im so glad andy was sent down. he was a waste of a spot on the 25 man roster. hopefully ozzie is realizing that a lucky game here and a lucky game there doesnt mean he can be consistently productive. he's been the most unimpressive (is that a word?) young player on the sox this year, followed closely by dewon day. i cant wait to (hopefully) see jason bourgeouis (sp?) get some spot action in september.

FielderJones
08-20-2007, 05:10 PM
ESPN says that Andy Gonzalez was sent down to make a spot for Myers.

That alone makes this a good deal. :wink:

Mercy!
08-20-2007, 05:20 PM
I believe the relevant statistic is that Darrin Jackson was 0 for 1 against him in his career, so that'll give the guys in the booth something new to discuss for awhile.

soxtalker
08-21-2007, 11:05 AM
When does the $1.1MM option for next year need to be exercised by the Sox?

Huisj
08-21-2007, 12:28 PM
I believe the relevant statistic is that Darrin Jackson was 0 for 1 against him in his career, so that'll give the guys in the booth something new to discuss for awhile.

And Chris Singleton was 1-2 off him, but did have a k. So both broadcast teams can get in on the action.

esbrechtel
08-21-2007, 02:10 PM
That alone makes this a good deal. :wink:
I concur...

Huisj
08-21-2007, 02:48 PM
ESPN says that Andy Gonzalez was sent down to make a spot for Myers. So does that mean 13 pitcher on the roster?

That alone makes this a good deal. :wink:

Uh oh, just read on a transactions page that Gonzalez is back up. Sox put Cintron on the bereavement list.

kittle42
08-21-2007, 02:51 PM
Uh oh, just read on a transactions page that Gonzalez is back up. Sox put Cintron on the bereavement list.

What would Ozzie do without his favorite sucky "super"-sub?

Tragg
08-21-2007, 04:35 PM
ESPN says that Andy Gonzalez was sent down to make a spot for Myers. So does that mean 13 pitcher on the roster?
We're out of it, we have a lot of quality young pitching, but we're signing yet another mediocre middle reliever, this one 38 years old? Why? This guy instead of Egbert, Gio, Masset, Sisco et al?

And we send down another young player - this one a utility player. Okay, so who's going to man that position next year? It's a good spot for a minimum salary player. Surely the Sox aren't going to pay another 2Mill for Cintron, who plays poor defense and offense.

One more mediocre veteran and one less kid for Ozzie.

oeo
08-21-2007, 04:40 PM
We're out of it, we have a lot of quality young pitching, but we're signing yet another mediocre middle reliever, this one 38 years old? Why? This guy instead of Egbert, Gio, Masset, Sisco et al?

Egbert and Gio are succeeding in AA. There's absolutely no reason to rush them up here and stick them in the ****ing bullpen. Masset and Sisco were tried in the bullpen earlier this year, and it didn't work. They're being converted back to starters.

And we send down another young player - this one a utility player. Okay, so who's going to man that position next year? It's a good spot for a minimum salary player. Surely the Sox aren't going to pay another 2Mill for Cintron, who plays poor defense and offense.

One more mediocre veteran and one less kid for Ozzie.

No offense, but you do nothing but whine about this **** and have nothing to back it up. So Andy Gonzalez (who wasn't even getting playing time) is sent down, big deal. He doesn't have a high ceiling, get over it.

And rosters expand in a week and a half. Andy Gonzalez in AAA for a couple of weeks isn't going to hurt anyone.

upperdeckusc
08-21-2007, 06:27 PM
We're out of it, we have a lot of quality young pitching, but we're signing yet another mediocre middle reliever, this one 38 years old? Why? This guy instead of Egbert, Gio, Masset, Sisco et al?

And we send down another young player - this one a utility player. Okay, so who's going to man that position next year? It's a good spot for a minimum salary player. Surely the Sox aren't going to pay another 2Mill for Cintron, who plays poor defense and offense.

One more mediocre veteran and one less kid for Ozzie.

egbert, gio, and masset are all starters. why mess with their head and put them in the bullpen?? (ie Masset and BMac). plus, 2 of them are AA, pitchers. let them have success in AAA b4 they get to the majors.

also, i never was a fan of andy cuz he didnt even have great success in the minors when he was called up. if i had to choose someone who will man that utility spot for minimum salary (remember, pablo will be back too) would be jason borgeouis (sp?). he's a 2b-util man and is actually DOING GOOD in the minors (AA and AAA). give him a shot in sept and if we like what we see, hopefully he'll be our man.

StillMissOzzie
08-21-2007, 11:01 PM
Apparently Ozzie didn't read the stat sheet on why the Yankees dumped this guy, particularly his startlingly high LH batting average against. So he comes in to face Gload, throws one ****ing pitch, and gives up a base hit.

SMO
:angry:

southsideirish71
08-21-2007, 11:07 PM
Apparently Ozzie didn't read the stat sheet on why the Yankees dumped this guy, particularly his startlingly high LH batting average against. So he comes in to face Gload, throws one ****ing pitch, and gives up a base hit.

SMO
:angry:

This was covered very well in the original Myers thread. Some people took a look at the stats and saw the splits against righties and the overall ERA and thought OMG what a steal. They of course forgot that our manager is appendage aware. His splits against righties mean nothing, Ozzie said yesterday in the pregame that they were going to use him as a loogy. Unfortunately he has shown no ability to get out lefties this year. Stats mean nothing when the magic 8 ball is telling him what to do.

HotelWhiteSox
08-21-2007, 11:15 PM
This was covered very well in the original Myers thread. Some people took a look at the stats and saw the splits against righties and the overall ERA and thought OMG what a steal. They of course forgot that our manager is appendage aware. His splits against righties mean nothing, Ozzie said yesterday in the pregame that they were going to use him as a loogy. Unfortunately he has shown no ability to get out lefties this year. Stats mean nothing when the magic 8 ball is telling him what to do.

Said this would be my fear with Ozzie if we ever got him when there was thread that he was first released. If you're going to do this situational garbage, at least go by the stats instead of just left or right, or maybe Ozzie just doesn't prepare because it's painfully obvious by looking up some simple stats online

I would love to see Kenny's reaction

TomParrish79
08-21-2007, 11:24 PM
http://movies.infinitecoolness.com/03/halloween14.jpg
He's got the darkest eyes...The Devil's Eyes!

kittle42
08-22-2007, 12:26 AM
Ozzie Guillen never met a statistic he has actually read.

russ99
08-22-2007, 09:56 AM
Apparently Ozzie didn't read the stat sheet on why the Yankees dumped this guy, particularly his startlingly high LH batting average against. So he comes in to face Gload, throws one ****ing pitch, and gives up a base hit.

SMO
:angry:

I think Ozzie just wanted to get him into a game, and his comments Monday made me think he'd not play for a few more days.

Well, letting a lefty hitter get on base is the reason the Yankees released him. Plus he left the pitch right over the plate. A better hitter would have creamed it. You could tell by the look on Myers' face how disgusted he was with his outing.

He needs more side work to shake off the rust (2 months off) and get some confidence back, and the worst thing Ozzie could have done was leave him in after that. If Myers can't get lefties out, he's of no use to us next season.

dickallen15
08-24-2007, 06:06 PM
Yes, he can still pitch. He's proved it this year with the Yankees.

Why is it 'stupid?' It's a low risk move for a guy that could help us next year. I don't care if he's 18, 38, 52...who cares as long as he gets guys out? We got so caught up this year in other bull**** besides outs when it came to the bullpen. Outs are what we need, who cares how old the arm is that's getting them.
Care for a mulligan?

Tragg
08-24-2007, 06:15 PM
egbert, gio, and masset are all starters. why mess with their head and put them in the bullpen?? (ie Masset and Fingernails on a blackboard). plus, 2 of them are AA, pitchers. let them have success in AAA b4 they get to the majors.

To give them major league experience. Plenty of successful starters in MLB pitched a year in the bullpen. Throw them out there in the rotation, and they have a rough start or 2, and people want their head in a noose. Get rid of them. Maybe they aren't ready - fine. But we have young pitching talent on this team.
Garland did a couple of different stints in the pen (of course people wanted to get rid of him too).
And the young pitchers everyone dogs are better than these mediocre veterans we've loaded the bullpen with.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-25-2007, 10:03 AM
Myers is a bum. If he is not good enough for the Yankees, why would you want him for the Sox? Give the opportunity to someone who has a chance to help the team in the future by giving them some experience.

soxinem1
08-25-2007, 10:58 AM
Myers is a bum. If he is not good enough for the Yankees, why would you want him for the Sox? Give the opportunity to someone who has a chance to help the team in the future by giving them some experience.

So far, the trial looks to be short lived...........

palehozenychicty
08-25-2007, 11:38 AM
Myers is a bum. If he is not good enough for the Yankees, why would you want him for the Sox? Give the opportunity to someone who has a chance to help the team in the future by giving them some experience.

The choir is being preached to loudly.

upperdeckusc
08-25-2007, 12:29 PM
any and everyone that deserved a shot in the bullpen has gotten it. i had no problem at all taking a flyer on him to see if he'd be effective. so far the results arent too positive, but to at least take the chance to see if he'd be effective was a low risk high reward move. if he continues to suck, we dont keep him next yr. get over it.