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chisoxmike
08-18-2007, 11:43 PM
They do just enough to lose.

:whiner::whiner::whiner::whiner:

thomas35forever
08-18-2007, 11:44 PM
This season sucks.:(:

QCIASOXFAN
08-18-2007, 11:44 PM
Dag Gunnit!

Patrick134
08-18-2007, 11:45 PM
Ibanez is the kind of guy the sox will pick up because he's Babe Ruth against us, and then he hits .217

Brian26
08-18-2007, 11:46 PM
Ibanez is the kind of guy the sox will pick up because he's Babe Ruth against us, and then he hits .217

I was just thinking the same thing about Craig Monroe.

JB98
08-18-2007, 11:46 PM
We are terrible.

Only 40 games left to suffer.

chisoxmike
08-18-2007, 11:47 PM
We are terrible.

Only 40 games left to suffer.

Yeah. They've been bad all summer. But, now, its official, they've thrown in the towel. Please finish the season out of last place, Sox....

:whiner::whiner::whiner::whiner::whiner:


I like being good:(:

itsnotrequired
08-18-2007, 11:48 PM
I love last place.

:(:

Brian26
08-18-2007, 11:48 PM
We are terrible.

Only 40 games left to suffer.

The Red Sox series should be fun next weekend. :(:

chisoxfanatic
08-18-2007, 11:48 PM
Now they are the SOLE tennants of last place. Great!

Patrick134
08-18-2007, 11:48 PM
I was just thinking the same thing about Craig Monroe.


Well this year he actually was around .217 (.222)

chisoxmike
08-18-2007, 11:49 PM
Now they are the SOLE tennants of last place. Great!

I called it, the day we go into last place, the Cubs will go into first. :whiner::angry::(:

chisoxfanatic
08-18-2007, 11:49 PM
The Red Sox series should be fun next weekend. :(:
Tell me about it! Hopefully my Red Sox fan boyfriend is kind enough to me. We're going to three of the four games.

chisoxmike
08-18-2007, 11:50 PM
Tell me about it! Hopefully my Red Sox fan boyfriend is kind enough to me. We're going to three of the four games.


We will be swept.

JB98
08-18-2007, 11:51 PM
The Red Sox series should be fun next weekend. :(:

Fun hasn't been in the vocabulary this year. I'm going to the Saturday game against Boston. I think Buehrle will be up, so we might have an outside chance that day.

We can't even give Jenks an opportunity to extend his streak, which is the only positive surrounding this club right now.

JB98
08-18-2007, 11:52 PM
We will be swept.

We'll win one of four. Either Buehrle or Vazquez will win us a game.

Patrick134
08-18-2007, 11:52 PM
Fun hasn't been in the vocabulary this year. I'm going to the Saturday game against Boston. I think Buehrle will be up, so we might have an outside chance that day.

We can't even give Jenks an opportunity to extend his streak, which is the only positive surrounding this club right now.


I think signing JD today was a huge positive, as well as the MB signing.

Brian26
08-18-2007, 11:52 PM
We are terrible.

Only 40 games left to suffer.

Getting back to the debate, I contend the Sox had as bad or worse of a team in '95, '98, '99, '01 and '02 than this year.

Brian26
08-18-2007, 11:53 PM
Hot music video on WGN now.

Tragg
08-18-2007, 11:54 PM
Ibanez is the kind of guy the sox will pick up because he's Babe Ruth against us, and then he hits .217

Hawk remarked tonight how he has turned himself into a solid defensive left fielder.

However, if we didn't get Sox killer, and otherwise crappy, Joe Randa when he was available, I figure we won't succumb to Ibanez or Monroe

QCIASOXFAN
08-18-2007, 11:54 PM
We can't even give Jenks an opportunity to extend his streak, which is the only positive surrounding this club right now.
No kidding, Jenks is gonna forget how to pitch by the time we give him a chance. Their showing Jenks highlights right now on WGN.

chisoxfanatic
08-18-2007, 11:54 PM
Getting back to the debate, I contend the Sox had as bad or worse of a team in '95, '98, '99, '01 and '02 than this year.
They sure didn't shoot themselves in the foot with nearly as many mental mistakes as this squad has done.

Patrick134
08-18-2007, 11:54 PM
Getting back to the debate, I contend the Sox had as bad or worse of a team in '95, '98, '99, '01 and '02 than this year.


Amen, the starters not named Jose have pitched well. The offense slumped to Mendozaesque proportions for months.

WhiteSox5187
08-18-2007, 11:54 PM
In '01 they were respectable...this is the worst team I can ever recall. I mean, you have to go back to 1989 to find a Sox team this bad. This is just awful. I'm sick of them. This has been a bad year.

itsnotrequired
08-18-2007, 11:54 PM
I called it, the day we go into last place, the Cubs will go into first. :whiner::angry::(:

They were in first yesterday.

chisoxmike
08-18-2007, 11:55 PM
Getting back to the debate, I contend the Sox had as bad or worse of a team in '95, '98, '99, '01 and '02 than this year.

I think we are as bad or probably worse than the 99 team. The 95 team doesn't count because they were obviously not ready for the season to start. The 01 team won 83 games I think, and the 02 team finished 81-81.

I thought for a while .500 would be a nice, petty goal to have, but this team won't sniff .500.

chisoxmike
08-18-2007, 11:55 PM
They were in first yesterday.

Cubs fan. :tongue:

Tragg
08-18-2007, 11:56 PM
Getting back to the debate, I contend the Sox had as bad or worse of a team in '95, '98, '99, '01 and '02 than this year.

We Frank and Ordonez most of those years....we don't have that right now. It provided some hope that there was a core. I guess now, perhaps our pitching serves as a core.

As far as the team in total, you may be right - those teams were bad.

Brian26
08-18-2007, 11:56 PM
In '01 they were respectable...this is the worst team I can ever recall. I mean, you have to go back to 1989 to find a Sox team this bad. This is just awful. I'm sick of them. This has been a bad year.

The '99 team was better than this one? The '95 team?

QCIASOXFAN
08-18-2007, 11:57 PM
Cubs fan. :tongue:
Catch the fever.

JB98
08-18-2007, 11:58 PM
Getting back to the debate, I contend the Sox had as bad or worse of a team in '95, '98, '99, '01 and '02 than this year.

1998, 2001, 2002 *all 80-win teams. This club won't sniff that.

1995 and 1999, you can make a case. But I think this team is worse.

We haven't swept a single three-game series at home all year. We have yet to win five consecutive games at any point this season. This club is horse****. The quality of play is brutal. How many 11-2, 16-3 and 20-14 type losses have we had to endure this year? We take 11-2 leads in games and barely hang on 11-10.

I love the White Sox, but I have truly despised this 2007 team.

Viva Medias B's
08-18-2007, 11:58 PM
I called it, the day we go into last place, the Cubs will go into first. :whiner::angry::(:

Talk about extreme worst case scenario! If we finish in last place, serious heads have to roll because this cannot be tolerated by any means. I don't know which heads should roll, but heads must roll in the event of a last place finish. And if KW thinks the Friday night seminar at SoxFest 2004 was tough, it will be a picnic compared to the Friday night seminar of SoxFest 2008.

QCIASOXFAN
08-18-2007, 11:59 PM
The 99 team could give this team a run for the money.

SoxSpeed22
08-19-2007, 12:00 AM
This just about sums up the season.
http://www.semissourian.com/photos/10/21/04/1021041-L.jpg
I don't think it takes a genius to figure out which guy we are.

WhiteSox5187
08-19-2007, 12:00 AM
The '99 team was better than this one? The '95 team?
As I recall the '99 team had a remarkable second half (or was that '98?) and 1995 was just awful, but not ready for the season to play. They were coming off the strike, but yea, they were bad. I'd still take both of those teams over this team. At least the 1999 team was young and we didn't really expect anything out of them. They played with heart. This team has been going through the motions for awhile now. It's sickening.

chisoxmike
08-19-2007, 12:02 AM
As I recall the '99 team had a remarkable second half (or was that '98?) and 1995 was just awful, but not ready for the season to play. They were coming off the strike, but yea, they were bad. I'd still take both of those teams over this team. At least the 1999 team was young and we didn't really expect anything out of them. They played with heart. This team has been going through the motions for awhile now. It's sickening.

I think that was '98.

The second half record of the '99 team was 33-43. They had a 42-43 1st half record.

JGarlandrules20
08-19-2007, 12:02 AM
What a joke of a team.

And that was a really bad throw from Owens, lol. Too bad AJ wasn't 25ft tall, he might have had a chance at it.

QCIASOXFAN
08-19-2007, 12:02 AM
I guess the moral of the story is that this team should not have fallen this far this fast.

JB98
08-19-2007, 12:03 AM
As I recall the '99 team had a remarkable second half (or was that '98?) and 1995 was just awful, but not ready for the season to play. They were coming off the strike, but yea, they were bad. I'd still take both of those teams over this team. At least the 1999 team was young and we didn't really expect anything out of them. They played with heart. This team has been going through the motions for awhile now. It's sickening.

The '98 team got hot in the second half. They were 35-51 at the break, and they almost made it back to .500.

The '99 club hung around .500 until midseason, but they had a rough July and a terrible August.

You're thinking of the '98 club, as far as a strong second-half run. That's when Albert Belle went on a tear.

Viva Medias B's
08-19-2007, 12:03 AM
As I recall the '99 team had a remarkable second half (or was that '98?) and 1995 was just awful, but not ready for the season to play. They were coming off the strike, but yea, they were bad. I'd still take both of those teams over this team. At least the 1999 team was young and we didn't really expect anything out of them. They played with heart. This team has been going through the motions for awhile now. It's sickening.
The 1999 team had a lot of heart, especially during the Glorious Sweep. This team is playing heartless right now. That inning with the two errors tonight was borderline corpseball.

Brian26
08-19-2007, 12:04 AM
I was just talking to Rongey. He's anticipating a fun group of callers tonight.

chisoxfanatic
08-19-2007, 12:04 AM
1995 and 1999, you can make a case. But I think this team is worse.

The '95 team at least had one eight-game winning streak during the beginning of September, I recall. This team can't even do THAT! This is definitely the worse Sox team I ever recall following.

JB98
08-19-2007, 12:05 AM
I was just talking to Rongey. He's anticipating a fun group of callers tonight.

I can't believe people still muster the energy to call and rant on his program.

QCIASOXFAN
08-19-2007, 12:06 AM
I was just talking to Rongey. He's anticipating a fun group of callers tonight.
Was thinking about turning it on but watching the entire game was enough for me.

Brian26
08-19-2007, 12:07 AM
I can't believe people still muster the energy to call and rant on his program.

He just hangs up on people now who are idiots. A guy last night was complaining about not pinch hitting for Cintron. Rongey asked him who he wanted, Hall or Gonzalez, and then hung up on him. :D:

Patrick134
08-19-2007, 12:08 AM
As I stated in the game thread, this team, while hitting under.230, was an astounding 4 games over .500 in late May. Had they played .500 since then, they'd be 5 games out. Just an astounding team wide slump.

JB98
08-19-2007, 12:08 AM
The '95 team at least had one eight-game winning streak during the beginning of September, I recall. This team can't even do THAT! This is definitely the worse Sox team I ever recall following.

I could be proven wrong, but I don't believe this team is capable of a winning streak greater than four games. They certainly aren't going to have a stretch where they win 15 out of 18 or anything like that.

JB98
08-19-2007, 12:09 AM
He just hangs up on people now who are idiots. A guy last night was complaining about not pinch hitting for Cintron. Rongey asked him who he wanted, Hall or Gonzalez, and then hung up on him. :D:

Yeah, I posted last night about Cintron being overmatched, but I also pointed out that Ozzie had no other option.

chisoxfanatic
08-19-2007, 12:13 AM
I could be proven wrong, but I don't believe this team is capable of a winning streak greater than four games. They certainly aren't going to have a stretch where they win 15 out of 18 or anything like that.
El Caballo circa 2003/2004 couldn't help this team out right now!

QCIASOXFAN
08-19-2007, 12:13 AM
I didn't know that was 7 in a row.:(:

chisoxfanatic
08-19-2007, 12:18 AM
Remember back in 2004 when we had that infamous "week of losing," which included losses to both the Twins and Tigers? It started right after I thought we had something going with Crede's Saturday night walk-off off Urbina to beat the Tigers.

I NEVER thought I'd see that again! Well, de ja vu!

chisoxmike
08-19-2007, 12:21 AM
Remember back in 2004 when we had that infamous "week of losing," which included losses to both the Twins and Tigers? It started right after I thought we had something going with Crede's Saturday night walk-off off Urbina to beat the Tigers.



I was at that Crede walk off game. It was the last day the Sox were in first place in the 2004 season. I was thinking "bring on the Twins." Ugh.

Everyone was feeling good after that game. Then the next afternoon it all came crashing down.

Grzegorz
08-19-2007, 04:56 AM
Cubs fan.

Catch the fever.

It's really a case of catching the convenience...

Grzegorz
08-19-2007, 05:20 AM
I really do not care if the Chicago White Sox finish in last place as long as some of the players develop. I am hoping that Bukvich and Danks get the experience needed to contribute positively in 2008.

It looks as if Josh Fields and Danny Richar are going to get a shot at full time positions next year, and hopefully Toby Hall gets healthy and fit to contribute next year.

But, that still leaves the problem with the bullpen. There may be a core in place with Jenks, Logan, & Thornton but what role MacDougal has with this team is in question. (IMO I am hopeful he gets a shot in spring training)

Provided one of the front line starters is not moved we can go into 2008 confident on thee of the five. After Buehrle, Garland, & Vazquez there are questions. (that's why moving one of those three, really one of two, is very risky).

That leaves three big questions about 2008 and one larger question about the future:
* Contreras; if he cannot be moved what role does he play in 2008
* The middle of the lineup is slow and cannot manufacture runs. With age and injury history a given, how well will the middle of the lineup contribute in 2008?
* Shortstop; are Jack Wilson or David Eckstein available to be short term solutions at this position?

Beyond 2008: How much time will pass after the restructuring of the draft department before we see dividends?

I really hope the Chicago White Sox improve; I want to see the city become a Chicago White Sox city. I am not a Bears fan and I am indifferent about the Bulls so all I am left with in the city are the Chicago White Sox and the Chicago Blackhawks.

ndgt10
08-19-2007, 07:28 AM
Is Richar hitting his weight? Very impressive .174 he's sporting.

itsnotrequired
08-19-2007, 08:01 AM
Is Richar hitting his weight? Very impressive .174 he's sporting.

All rookies should be poked with sticks.

soxfanatlanta
08-19-2007, 08:03 AM
Is Richar hitting his weight? Very impressive .174 he's sporting.

But it's a very comfortable buck-seventy-four; he looks really good doing it.

Grzegorz
08-19-2007, 08:20 AM
Is Richar hitting his weight? Very impressive .174 he's sporting.

What should he be hitting given his age and experience?

Brian26
08-19-2007, 08:25 AM
I was at that Crede walk off game. It was the last day the Sox were in first place in the 2004 season. I was thinking "bring on the Twins." Ugh.

Everyone was feeling good after that game. Then the next afternoon it all came crashing down.

That was a glorious night. The Sox kept pecking away at the Tigers early lead, and the homer to win it was a great ending. It was a Saturday night fireworks night too, so the crowd had an even better reason to be in a good mood. The win gave them sole possession of first place, and that would be the last day of the year they were in first.

mrwag
08-19-2007, 09:00 AM
This season reminds me a lot of the late '80s teams I "rooted" for as a kid. I was 9 in 1983, which hooked me on the Sox. Unfortunately, that was the pinnance for the '80s and they just got worse as the years went by until the second half of 1989. I took a beating as a kid, wearing my Sox hat everyday. I feel the same thing has set in. This team is just crap, especially with the amount of "talent" it has in several places.

LITTLE NELL
08-19-2007, 09:32 AM
If you look up "underachieving" in the dictionary, there will be a team picture of the 2007 White Sox. Has any team ever went from 99 wins to 70 or so in 2 years? I had to pinch myself in 2005 to see if I wasnt dreaming. Now I pinch myself to make sure this isnt a nightmare. I am awake and its still a nightmare. When does the Roller Derby season start?

pierzynski07
08-19-2007, 10:34 AM
.500 ball going forward would equal 72 (71.7) wins.

slavko
08-19-2007, 11:00 AM
This is sad and ugly, isn't it? It doesn't come cheap, either. The presence of butts in the seats takes away the excuse for breaking it up, but that may not be a good thing. This might be the time when breaking it up would be the best thing for the future, but that would depend on "the kids being able to play" and to these eyes, most of them can't.

Jermaine deserves the contract because he gave us plenty while working for beans for 3 years, but another organization would have someone in the pipeline ready to step in so that he could be traded for prospects. Sic transit gloria.

kevin57
08-19-2007, 11:03 AM
In all the comparisons with teams past, one fact stands out. This team, with its innate talent, experience, and payroll, has been the biggest disappointment and therefore the worst I've seen in my memory.

All the talks by Ozzie and KW have accomplished nothing. What this team has needed is something who can kick some butt. I'll catch it for saying this, but it was a couple of clubhouse brawls that ignited (sort of) the Cubs.

In the slide of '05 it was cooler heads that helped the Sox survive. This season, they've needed someone--besides management--to get in people's faces, but they've got nobody like that. Thome? Konerko? Dye? Forget it. Not even A.J. who's good at getting under opponents' skins, but not an internal enforcer.

viagracat
08-19-2007, 11:25 AM
I called it, the day we go into last place, the Cubs will go into first. :whiner::angry::(:

I guess this means it can't possibly get worse, can it? CAN it? :o:

LITTLE NELL
08-19-2007, 12:01 PM
I guess this means it can't possibly get worse, can it? CAN it? :o:
It can get worse; you know who can get into the post season and win the WS.

MCHSoxFan
08-19-2007, 12:15 PM
It can get worse; you know who can get into the post season and win the WS.

I figure you are talking about the C**s. I do not think they will do anything in the playoffs to tell you the truth. If they do, they will not win the WS. I mean, just look at who it could be. I hate the R*d Sox, however, they could beat the C**s. I guess will we just have to wait and see.

itsnotrequired
08-19-2007, 12:50 PM
I figure you are talking about the C**s. I do not think they will do anything in the playoffs to tell you the truth. If they do, they will not win the WS. I mean, just look at who it could be. I hate the R*d Sox, however, they could beat the C**s. I guess will we just have to wait and see.

What's with all the asterisks?

viagracat
08-19-2007, 03:26 PM
What's with all the asterisks?

West updated the language filters. :redneck