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Crede_Fan
08-05-2007, 11:35 PM
Congrats Tom!

jdm2662
08-05-2007, 11:35 PM
Congrats Tom on your 300th win.

getonbckthr
08-05-2007, 11:35 PM
Congrats wish it was in a Brave uniform.

DrCrawdad
08-05-2007, 11:38 PM
The ESPN broadcasters kept on saying that Glavine was perhaps the last pitcher who'll win 300 games.

* Mark Buehrle 27 years old, 106 wins
* Tom Glavine at 27 years old, 85 wins

On Buehrle's page on BaseballReference.com Glavine is listed as the 2nd "Similar Pitchers through Age 27" to Buehrle.

I'd say Buehrle has a very good chance at 300 wins.

esbrechtel
08-05-2007, 11:40 PM
Didn't Mark say he wasn't planning on sticking around long enough to get 300 wins...
ala this article (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070804&content_id=2129504&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws) on Whitesox.com

y2j2785
08-05-2007, 11:43 PM
Congrats Tom!

ilsox7
08-05-2007, 11:43 PM
No one has a very good chance at it. A few guys have an outside chance, but none more than, say, 15%.

soxfanreggie
08-05-2007, 11:44 PM
Congratulations Tom!

As for MB, he needs a few 20-win seasons, and a team that will score him the runs so when he has a sub 3.10 ERA, he will get the support to win ballgames.

DrCrawdad
08-05-2007, 11:46 PM
Didn't Mark say he wasn't planning on sticking around long enough to get 300 wins...
ala this article (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070804&content_id=2129504&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws) on Whitesox.com

Will Mark walk away if he's healthy and some team is willing to give him a multi-million dollar contract? We will see.

Kind of like rock musicians who've said in their youth how they won't be playing rock when they get old...

ilsox7
08-05-2007, 11:48 PM
Will Mark walk away if he's healthy and some team is willing to give him a multi-million dollar contract? We will see.

Mark just proved he is not in this solely for the money. He obviously values family and I do not see him hanging on if he becomes mediocre in his 30's.

Brian26
08-05-2007, 11:49 PM
The ESPN broadcasters kept on saying that Glavine was perhaps the last pitcher who'll win 300 games.

* Mark Buehrle 27 years old, 106 wins
* Tom Glavine at 27 years old, 85 wins

On Buehrle's page on BaseballReference.com Glavine is listed as the 2nd "Similar Pitchers through Age 27" to Buehrle.

I'd say Buehrle has a very good chance at 300 wins.

Look at the teams Glavine was on throughout the 1990's. It didn't hurt that the Braves were perennial contenders. I'm not sure Buehrle will be guaranteed the same situation, but hopefully he is.

MeteorsSox4367
08-05-2007, 11:50 PM
I've always liked Glavine because he seems like a classy guy and he's a pitcher. Glavine has proven that you can win in the bigs even if you don't throw 95 mph.

It seems like only yesterday that I was staying home instead of going out in college because the Braves were on TBS and one of their young pitchers (Glavine, Smoltz, Avery, Smith) was pitching and I wanted to see the game.

Congrats, Tom. And as an earlier poster stated, I wish this milestone would have been achieved in a Braves uniform.

ChiSoxGirl
08-05-2007, 11:57 PM
The ESPN broadcasters kept on saying that Glavine was perhaps the last pitcher who'll win 300 games.

* Mark Buehrle 27 years old, 106 wins
* Tom Glavine at 27 years old, 85 wins

On Buehrle's page on BaseballReference.com Glavine is listed as the 2nd "Similar Pitchers through Age 27" to Buehrle.

I'd say Buehrle has a very good chance at 300 wins.

I listened to a good portion of this game and Shulman & Campbell took a question someone e-mailed in, asking which of the "young pitchers" in the game they thought had a chance at 300 wins. Shulman listed some possibilities (most of them are escaping me right now), one of which was C.C. Sabathia. I was a little surprised to not hear him suggest Johan Santana, but didn't expect to hear Buehrle's name. However, when I heard the question, Buehrle was the first pitcher to come to mind.

Crede_Fan
08-06-2007, 12:39 AM
Congrats wish it was in a Brave uniform.

I agree completely. It is a shame that neither Glavine or Maddux could have won #300 as a Brave.

HotelWhiteSox
08-06-2007, 12:46 AM
Never say never. Buehrle said he'd never throw a no-hitter :tongue:

Nellie_Fox
08-06-2007, 02:18 AM
The ESPN broadcasters kept on saying that Glavine was perhaps the last pitcher who'll win 300 games.Somebody says this every time a pitcher passes 300 wins. I knew we wouldn't even make it through the day before someone said it.

FedEx227
08-06-2007, 04:59 AM
Somebody says this every time a pitcher passes 300 wins. I knew we wouldn't even make it through the day before someone said it.

Yeah, it's really annoying because it's always the same conversation... 5-man rotation, pitch counts, guys don't go deep anymore, blah blah.

The most games Glavine ever started in a year was 36 (1993).
Johan Santana 34 (2 times).

Glavine averaged 221.3 IP in his career.
Santana has averaged 208.0.

The differences are not that great. There is no reason some of the guys out there today can't win 300 games. It's more a matter of the guys respective teams/bullpens winning games for them, Santana only won 16 games in 2005 despite carrying a 2.87 ERA and 0.97 WHIP. Glavine has only had an ERA under that 3 times in 21 years and has never had a WHIP near that (to be fair he is a pitch for contact pitcher).

So the conversation is pretty annoying, there are plenty of guys that if they keep their pace and stay healthy will no doubt be able to pass that mark.

santo=dorf
08-06-2007, 07:18 AM
The ESPN broadcasters kept on saying that Glavine was perhaps the last pitcher who'll win 300 games.

* Mark Buehrle 27 years old, 106 wins
* Tom Glavine at 27 years old, 85 wins

On Buehrle's page on BaseballReference.com Glavine is listed as the 2nd "Similar Pitchers through Age 27" to Buehrle.

I'd say Buehrle has a very good chance at 300 wins.
Wasn't there a bunch of talk of Maddux being the last 300 game winner ever? It'll happen again and it could be Mark Buehrle due to his mechanics and durability.

viagracat
08-06-2007, 09:13 AM
With five-man rotations, six innings considered a good outing, pitch-count limitations, league parity and bullpens used the way they are these days, any future 300-game winners will be very few and far between. In Buehrle's case, he'd have to average 15 wins a year for the next 10 years to have a solid chance at 300. That almost never happens anymore. That's like winning 20 games for ten straight years back before the 1980s. You could count those guys on one hand. I'm not saying Buehrle can't do it, but I'd be very surprised if he does, mostly for reasons outside his control.

If guys like Buehrle, Sabathia, Santana, etc get past 200 with their health intact and age on their side, I'll start to get excited.

Fenway
08-06-2007, 09:47 AM
Last night a Boston station dug out a tape of Tom Glavine winning a hockey one on one back when he was 12. He was actually one of the finest high school hockey players in Massachusetts history.

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1984/84069.html


Boston Bruins Carlton Award (Top E. Mass. H.S. Player): 1983-84 (Billerica)
Merrimack Valley Conference MVP: 1983-84 (Billerica)
Merrimack Valley Conference All-Star First Team: 1981-82,
1982-83, 1983-84 (Billerica)
Miscellaneous: Attended Billerica Memorial High School in Billerica, Mass. ... Won Merrimack Valley Conference Large Division title with Billerica in 1984. ... Had 232 points and 111 goals in his high school career at Billerica. ... Also was outfielder/pitcher on Billerica's varsity baseball team, leading Billerica to Division I North title and Eastern Massachusetts championship in 1983. ... Was four-year honor roll student at Billerica and member of National Honor Society. ... Worked as CYO volunteer during off-seasons of his high school career and also coached youth hockey and baseball in Billerica. ... Was presented John Carlton Memorial Trophy by Boston Bruins general manager Harry Sinden prior to Boston's March 17, 1984, game vs. New Jersey.




Tom Glavine Selected in fourth round
No. 69 overall by Los Angeles Kings
Born March 25, 1966

MCHSoxFan
08-06-2007, 12:30 PM
Congrats!!! My brother was there with 2 Mets fan. He is a Sox fan. He is NOT a Cubs fan. He was jsut invited to the game and he really enjoyed it.

Fenway
08-06-2007, 12:33 PM
Ironic. If Glavine had been drafted by the Bruins instead of the Kings he has said he would have played hockey. His dream was to be a Boston Bruin.

WhiteSoxJunkie
08-06-2007, 07:50 PM
Wow. I never knew Glavine was drafted to play hockey. Whenever you hear about two sport athletes, hockey is rarely one of those sports.

santo=dorf
08-06-2007, 08:09 PM
Wow. I never knew Glavine was drafted to play hockey. Whenever you hear about two sport athletes, hockey is rarely one of those sports.
http://www.lbeq.com/images/EricGagne6.jpg

Turned down the Sox's offer to play hockey.

pierzynski07
08-06-2007, 08:10 PM
Glavine was at 259 (and 8-10 on the year) when Maddux won his 300th. Were there talks about him ending his career around that time or something?

areilly
08-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Wasn't there a bunch of talk of Maddux being the last 300 game winner ever? It'll happen again and it could be Mark Buehrle due to his mechanics and durability.

Clemens was another alleged last-300-game-winner-ever; at the time a lot in the sports media assumed Maddux and Glavine were both done. Shows what they know.

JB98
08-06-2007, 09:53 PM
Clemens was another alleged last-300-game-winner-ever; at the time a lot in the sports media assumed Maddux and Glavine were both done. Shows what they know.

It's really annoying how people keep saying 300-game winners are a "dying breed." No, they aren't! They are a rare breed, but they are certainly not dying. In fact, 300-game winners have become more common over the last 25 years.

23 total 300-game winners
Before 1925: 11
1925-1982: 3
Since 1982: 9

MUsoxfan
08-06-2007, 10:02 PM
I felt the fans at Wrigley treated him really well. It was nice to see them not launching garbage on the field

Nellie_Fox
08-07-2007, 01:49 AM
I've linked to this guy before. Local Mankato Free Press sports columnist Ed Thoma is a very sharp baseball guy. He wades into the argument about whether anyone will win 300 again, and makes some very good points.

Link (http://www.mankato-freepress.com/columns/local_story_218010529.html)

Frater Perdurabo
08-07-2007, 07:33 AM
I've linked to this guy before. Local Mankato Free Press sports columnist Ed Thoma is a very sharp baseball guy. He wades into the argument about whether anyone will win 300 again, and makes some very good points.

Link (http://www.mankato-freepress.com/columns/local_story_218010529.html)

Thanks for sharing that link, Nellie. It's a fantastic column and the writer does make excellent arguments. He too acknowledges that Buehrle is on pace to have a shot at winning 300, along with Oswalt, Sabathia, Zambrano and Santana. I find it so interesting that all these guys pich in the Central divisions, too. (Until Zambozo takes the fat offer from the Yankees, that is :tongue: )