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Viva Medias B's
08-05-2007, 09:08 PM
Alfonso Soriano pulled up lame while headed for third base after a single by Ryan Theriot. I'll guess a hamstring, but it is not officially known what happened.

ilsox7
08-05-2007, 09:09 PM
Very odd that ESPN did not go to commercial so they could let Joe Morgan talk 3 minutes about how well Soriano warmed up before the game. Hopefully it isn't a serious injury, but it sure looked like one.

Brian26
08-05-2007, 09:15 PM
I would never question the work ethic or discipline of Alfonso Soriano.

He embodies hard-work and determination, especially on his one-handed catches.

God help us if he's hurt.

Frontman
08-05-2007, 09:16 PM
I would never question the work ethic or discipline of Alfonso Soriano.

He embodies hard-work and determination, especially on his one-handed catches.

God help us if he's hurt.

Don't forget the little hop when he catches. That kind of timing takes a TON of practice.

Viva Medias B's
08-05-2007, 09:16 PM
Right quad strain, per the Cubs clubhouse. Morgan said that's not good.

ilsox7
08-05-2007, 09:17 PM
Right quad strain according to the telecast. That's not a good thing at all. Joe Morgan is right for once!

soxwon
08-05-2007, 09:21 PM
Very odd that ESPN did not go to commercial so they could let Joe Morgan talk 3 minutes about how well Soriano warmed up before the game. Hopefully it isn't a serious injury, but it sure looked like one.

hopefuly it is a serious injury.

The Racehorse
08-05-2007, 09:23 PM
I was thinking that the Cubs better hope it was an uber cramp... but a quad strain? Moises Alou was out for weeks on end because of a quad strain.

mjmcend
08-05-2007, 09:23 PM
hopefuly it is a serious injury.

Rooting for an injury. Classy.

ilsox7
08-05-2007, 09:26 PM
hopefuly it is a serious injury.

No class whatsoever. Sickening.

Brian26
08-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Mets up 2-0. Heads up baserunning by Castillo just earned them a run.

kittle42
08-05-2007, 09:34 PM
hopefuly it is a serious injury.

Ah, classic soxwon.

rowand33
08-05-2007, 09:42 PM
Hendry should make a waiver trade for Sosa. No joke.

ND_Sox_Fan
08-05-2007, 09:50 PM
Right quad strain according to the telecast. That's not a good thing at all. Joe Morgan is right for once!

Wonder if this is a real strain or a Prior/Wood-level strain?

It certainly looked bad when he did it - he pulled up like it was torn, not strained.

Foulke You
08-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Hendry should make a waiver trade for Sosa. No joke.
The Wrigley faithful would welcome that steroid pumped cheater back with open arms.

Foulke You
08-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Wonder if this is a real strain or a Prior/Wood-level strain?

It certainly looked bad when he did it - he pulled up like it was torn, not strained.
The article on MLB.com is saying "Soriano is day to day"

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070805&content_id=2132522&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

cws05champ
08-05-2007, 10:02 PM
The article on MLB.com is saying "Soriano is day to day"


Aren't we all??? :D:

ND_Sox_Fan
08-05-2007, 10:06 PM
The article on MLB.com is saying "Soriano is day to day"

I wonder if they got this straight from the Cubune's beat writers? Or the Cubs Injury Propaganda Department?

rowand33
08-05-2007, 10:09 PM
The Wrigley faithful would welcome that steroid pumped cheater back with open arms.

Good power numbers wasting away on the Rangers bench.

I actually think it would be a smart move for them. No real downside.

TDog
08-05-2007, 10:23 PM
Quadriceps injuries can linger. They aren't good.

Soriano should expect to be so injured, though. He knew when he signed with the Cubs that the team was cursed. I don't believe in curses, but the fans that bullied me when I was a kids are proud to be cursed.

Brian26
08-05-2007, 10:25 PM
By my calculations, Kerry Wood, after tonight, will need 229 wins to catch Tom Glavine's victory total. At an average of 15 wins a season, it would take over 15 years for Wood to equal Glavine's career total...in the year 2022.

DumpJerry
08-05-2007, 10:30 PM
hopefuly it is a serious injury.
Too classy for WSI.

Take three days off.

giganticHead
08-05-2007, 10:40 PM
Glavine's mom looks very excited to be there.

ZombieRob
08-05-2007, 10:44 PM
I hate hate hate hate hate the Cubs.The Messiah is back,so all is well on the northside.The Mets bullpen blows.had to vent.......

Frontman
08-05-2007, 10:46 PM
Glavine's mom looks very excited to be there.

She's probably as tired as I am of the broadcast.

Wait, she can't hear the broadcast.

:wink:

Viva Medias B's
08-05-2007, 10:47 PM
I hate hate hate hate hate the Cubs.The Messiah is back,so all is well on the northside.The Mets bullpen blows.had to vent.......

Relax. And, for technical reasons, I should point out that Mark Prior has been called "the Messiah" and not Kerry Wood.

Brian26
08-05-2007, 10:49 PM
The Mets lineup looks pretty darn good with a healthy Alou back in there. When you can put Castillo, Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Alou and Green together, that's pretty solid. Throw a healthy Beltran in there when he comes off the DL too.

The Racehorse
08-05-2007, 10:54 PM
She's probably as tired as I am of the broadcast.

Wait, she can't hear the broadcast.

:wink:

It took a micro-second for me to be tired of listening to the audio feedback when they did that telephone interview with Smoltz earlier in the game... aarrrgghhhh!

ND_Sox_Fan
08-05-2007, 11:02 PM
The Mets lineup looks pretty darn good with a healthy Alou back in there. When you can put Castillo, Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Alou and Green together, that's pretty solid. Throw a healthy Beltran in there when he comes off the DL too.

Castillo was just helped to the clubhouse - looked like a leg or foot injury.

ZombieRob
08-05-2007, 11:13 PM
Relax. And, for technical reasons, I should point out that Mark Prior has been called "the Messiah" and not Kerry Wood.
Wasn't Prior the second comming?

illini81887
08-05-2007, 11:46 PM
Soriano out 2-4 weeks

esbrechtel
08-05-2007, 11:49 PM
That is just bad luck...I would have to imagine that is going to hurt the cubs....there is nothing worse than having 1 overpaid superstar injured...not to mention that other one....

HotelWhiteSox
08-05-2007, 11:55 PM
Please, every team has injuries, and considering how they usually handle their pitchers, they've actually been lucky this year. Jeez, the Mets have had crazy injuries, they still haven't even had Pedro. Hell even our injuries have cost us at least four games-staying competitive in the division, no one cares

soxfanreggie
08-05-2007, 11:59 PM
Tough blow for the Cubs. I could use seeing Glavine's family every 6 seconds as much as I needed to see the Bonds family every 6 seconds.

DumpJerry
08-06-2007, 12:04 AM
Wasn't Prior the second comming?
Just to make sure everyone understands:
Mark Prior is the Messiah. How could you think anyone else is the Messiah?:redneck

Kerry Wood is the guy who struck out 20 guys in one game. Nine years ago. Yes, you read that right. Nine years ago. That would be 1998.

Of course it is easy to confuse the Messianic qualities of both players because they led the Cub to the World Series in......give me minute, I'll find the year.......I saw it somewhere........oh darn, I'll have to search Baseball-reference.com again for that year.......

oeo
08-06-2007, 01:16 AM
That is just bad luck...I would have to imagine that is going to hurt the cubs....there is nothing worse than having 1 overpaid superstar injured...not to mention that other one....

Good teams play through it, let's see just how good they are. They haven't even been playing well with Soriano, so it's going to be tough to do it without him.

The Chicago media would never admit it, but the Sox have been playing the better baseball.

BTW, there's team #1 that's wishing they traded for Dye right about now. Boston should be just around the corner.

esbrechtel
08-06-2007, 01:30 AM
Good teams play through it, let's see just how good they are. They haven't even been playing well with Soriano, so it's going to be tough to do it without him.

The Chicago media would never admit it, but the Sox have been playing the better baseball.

BTW, there's team #1 that's wishing they traded for Dye right about now. Boston should be just around the corner.
I think there was quite a line of teams that wish they traded for Dye after his 4-4 game with 2 HRs.....

thomas35forever
08-06-2007, 01:35 AM
Soriano going down was the last thing the Cubs needed in the heat of a pennant race. We'll have to see how they respond.

Congrats to Tom on No. 300.

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2007, 02:29 AM
I felt in pain when I saw Soriano make that turn around second. I hate the Cubs and want them to choke, but I don't want them to choke because a guy gets hurt.

oeo
08-06-2007, 02:32 AM
I felt in pain when I saw Soriano make that turn around second. I hate the Cubs and want them to choke, but I don't want them to choke because a guy gets hurt.

It's one DL stint, boo-hoo. It's not like he's out for the season. The Brewers missed Bill Hall for some time, and are currently missing Ben Sheets.

The Cubs have been pretty lucky when it comes to injuries this year, so they have nothing to whine about.

ilsox7
08-06-2007, 02:32 AM
I felt in pain when I saw Soriano make that turn around second. I hate the Cubs and want them to choke, but I don't want them to choke because a guy gets hurt.

Any decent person would never want to see someone get hurt. At the end of the day, it's only a sport.

StillMissOzzie
08-06-2007, 02:34 AM
I felt in pain when I saw Soriano make that turn around second. I hate the Cubs and want them to choke, but I don't want them to choke because a guy gets hurt.

I understand how you feel. I want to see the Cubs crash and burn, but I want them to do so with a 100% healthy roster. I don't want to spend all fall and winter listening to Cub fans whine about woulda/coulda/shoulda, if only we had Soriano, blah blah blah.

SMO
:o:

WhiteSox5187
08-06-2007, 02:35 AM
Any decent person would never want to see someone get hurt. At the end of the day, it's only a sport.
I agree...although I must admit, in the midst of Bonds' chase for Aaron I found myself wishing at times that he would trip over a bat or something and that would end the chase...I think that's the exception though.

TDog
08-06-2007, 03:09 AM
I understand how you feel. I want to see the Cubs crash and burn, but I want them to do so with a 100% healthy roster. I don't want to spend all fall and winter listening to Cub fans whine about woulda/coulda/shoulda, if only we had Soriano, blah blah blah.

SMO
:o:


You don't have to worry about listening to Cubs fans whine because you can sympathize about how when your team got to the World Series in this century (heck, in your lifetime), they had to struggle through all of their October games with the best hitter in franchise history watching injured from the sidelines. If Frank Thomas had been available, the Sox have gone 11-0 in the postseason.

Woulda/shoulda/coulda, if only they had Thomas, blah blah blah.

Steelrod
08-06-2007, 07:07 AM
I understand how you feel. I want to see the Cubs crash and burn, but I want them to do so with a 100% healthy roster. I don't want to spend all fall and winter listening to Cub fans whine about woulda/coulda/shoulda, if only we had Soriano, blah blah blah.

SMO
:o:
...except I took a beating from my Cub fan friends, at my defense of our teams problems possibly being linked to the many injurues we suffered in the 1st half.

twentywontowin
08-06-2007, 09:00 AM
It's really going to show baseball what the Cubs really can do. The dark month of August with your superstar riding the bench for a month.

Good teams can overcome injuries. If the Cubs do so, then the Brewers are in a world of trouble.

Will still be a first-round exit for the Cubs. :bandance:

DrCrawdad
08-06-2007, 09:22 AM
It's one DL stint, boo-hoo. It's not like he's out for the season. The Brewers missed Bill Hall for some time, and are currently missing Ben Sheets.

The Cubs have been pretty lucky when it comes to injuries this year, so they have nothing to whine about.

The Cubbies have just been pretty lucky this season. Not that they haven't played well but they've had just as many (and probably more) "lucky breaks" this season as the Sox had in '05.

rwcescato
08-06-2007, 09:22 AM
I would never question the work ethic or discipline of Alfonso Soriano.

He embodies hard-work and determination, especially on his one-handed catches.

God help us if he's hurt.

Its the curse of Kerry Wood. Why he is on the team I have no idea.

soxfan13
08-06-2007, 09:25 AM
It's one DL stint, boo-hoo. It's not like he's out for the season. The Brewers missed Bill Hall for some time, and are currently missing Ben Sheets.

The Cubs have been pretty lucky when it comes to injuries this year, so they have nothing to whine about.

He may very well end up out for the season. 2-4 weeks initially and this is the type of injury that can bother him enough to shelve him for the remainder of the season.

viagracat
08-06-2007, 09:27 AM
The Cubs are going to find out what life is like without a leadoff hitter. That's certainly been our world most of this season.

cws05champ
08-06-2007, 09:57 AM
He may very well end up out for the season. 2-4 weeks initially and this is the type of injury that can bother him enough to shelve him for the remainder of the season.

Even if he comes back after 4 weeks, you don't think that he'll have the injury in the back of his mind? He will not be full speeed the rest of the way if he comes back at all. The Quad strain is one of those frustrating injuries that you think it is healed...try to test it and it twinges again. It is really aggravating!!

ZombieRob
08-06-2007, 10:02 AM
Has Derel Lee done his 5 games yet? I heard he dropped his apeal.

PatK
08-06-2007, 10:02 AM
Castillo came out of the game because of heat related cramping.

jabrch
08-06-2007, 10:02 AM
He may very well end up out for the season. 2-4 weeks initially and this is the type of injury that can bother him enough to shelve him for the remainder of the season.

I HIGHLY doubt this is a season ending injury. I'd bet heavily against it.

This is unfortunate. I want to see the Cubs make a run at it. This city is a better place when our sports teams are in contention.

jabrch
08-06-2007, 10:03 AM
Has Derel Lee done his 5 games yet? I heard he dropped his apeal.

Yes - he served his suspension just last week, or the week before.

soxfan13
08-06-2007, 10:07 AM
I HIGHLY doubt this is a season ending injury. I'd bet heavily against it.

This is unfortunate. I want to see the Cubs make a run at it. This city is a better place when our sports teams are in contention.

I am not wishing him out the rest of the season I am saying it is the type of injury that is hard to heal 100% , unless there is complete rest.

oeo
08-06-2007, 12:39 PM
He may very well end up out for the season. 2-4 weeks initially and this is the type of injury that can bother him enough to shelve him for the remainder of the season.

Sorry, but...:whiner:

Blame your GM. He didn't put a good team together...young guys stepped up, and now he doesn't have any depth to overcome a key injury (he could have gotten that depth, and possibly upgraded his bullpen, but he would rather just stand pat). It would not surprise me in the least if Pie came up and started kicking ass right now, though. That's how lucky they've gotten this year.

The Sox lived through the injuries of Pods and Crede late in 2005; not to mention Frank was out pretty much all year.

Chisox353014
08-06-2007, 12:55 PM
I HIGHLY doubt this is a season ending injury. I'd bet heavily against it.

This is unfortunate. I want to see the Cubs make a run at it. This city is a better place when our sports teams are in contention.

:bs:This city is a living hell when the Cubs are in contention. The great Cubgasm of 2003 is my least favorite time spent living here.

soxfan13
08-06-2007, 01:19 PM
Sorry, but...:whiner:

Blame your GM. He didn't put a good team together...young guys stepped up, and now he doesn't have any depth to overcome a key injury (he could have gotten that depth, and possibly upgraded his bullpen, but he would rather just stand pat). It would not surprise me in the least if Pie came up and started kicking ass right now, though. That's how lucky they've gotten this year.

The Sox lived through the injuries of Pods and Crede late in 2005; not to mention Frank was out pretty much all year.

Wow MY GM:D: all I stated was this type of injury can linger a little longer then you stated.

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-06-2007, 01:25 PM
I don't want to spend all fall and winter listening to Cub fans whine about woulda/coulda/shoulda, if only we had Soriano, blah blah blah.

So how will it be any different that the # of offseasons/late seasons where we all heard the "If Prior and Wood were healthy...." I don't want to see AS get hurt either, but you play the hand dealt to you.

oeo
08-06-2007, 01:52 PM
Wow MY GM:D: all I stated was this type of injury can linger a little longer then you stated.

That post was aimed towards Cubs fans, not you.

soxinem1
08-06-2007, 02:27 PM
Soriano has been pretty durable in his career, as I think 2004 was the only time I remember him missing any games.

But seeing that he may not be back until September, I see Pie coming back and going to CF, unless they bring Corey Patterson's brother up from AAA, even though he is an INF. Those are about the only options thay have, except for that one special guy we all love:

http://images.sportsline.com/images/baseball/mlb/players/60x80/8242.jpg

'I'm here if you need(le) me!'

FedEx227
08-06-2007, 02:31 PM
Soriano has been pretty durable in his career, as I think 2004 was the only time I remember him missing any games.

But seeing that he may not be back until September, I see Pie coming back and going to CF, unless they bring Corey Patterson's brother up from AAA, even though he is an INF. Those are about the only options thay have, except for that one special guy we all love:

http://images.sportsline.com/images/baseball/mlb/players/60x80/8242.jpg

'I'm here if you need(le) me!'

I believe I heard earlier that Eric Patterson is up, and that they are going to try him in LF. He's typically an infield but they've been using him in left the past week at Iowa.

JB98
08-06-2007, 05:43 PM
It's one DL stint, boo-hoo. It's not like he's out for the season. The Brewers missed Bill Hall for some time, and are currently missing Ben Sheets.

The Cubs have been pretty lucky when it comes to injuries this year, so they have nothing to whine about.

And the Cardinals lost their ace right-hander for the entire year. Think they'd still be in contention if Carpenter were around? I do.

I agree with you. I shed not a tear for the Cubs. Every club has injuries, including the team the Cubs are battling with for first place.

JB98
08-06-2007, 05:44 PM
:bs:This city is a living hell when the Cubs are in contention. The great Cubgasm of 2003 is my least favorite time spent living here.

Agree 100 percent. I get tired of wearing my Sox gear around town and hearing people yell, "How about them Cubbies?" at me every five seconds.

jdm2662
08-06-2007, 06:05 PM
Agree 100 percent. I get tired of wearing my Sox gear around town and hearing people yell, "How about them Cubbies?" at me every five seconds.

I don't care about that as much as people act like it's the end of the world you are not a Cubs fan. It's almost like a crime you are not a fan of the cute and cuddley Cubbies. You are also mean when you don't like the Cubbies.

You are a fan of what ever team you root for. When people told me they weren't rooting for the Sox in 2005, I said good! If you aren't a true fan, I don't want you to enjoy my team's success. They are my team. If they aren't yours, too bad. You don't deserve to enjoy their run if you aren't a true fan. Now, if they said they weren't rooting against the Sox but not acting like a big fan, I was fine with that as well.

Frontman
08-06-2007, 06:11 PM
Even if he comes back after 4 weeks, you don't think that he'll have the injury in the back of his mind? He will not be full speeed the rest of the way if he comes back at all. The Quad strain is one of those frustrating injuries that you think it is healed...try to test it and it twinges again. It is really aggravating!!

And it depends on the MRI results. Last report I heard, the Cubs hadn't released those results. If its a tear? Goodbye 2007, maybe he'll be back in time for the All Star Break of 2008. A tear is a fierce injury to repair/recondition/rehab.

JB98
08-06-2007, 06:22 PM
I don't care about that as much as people act like it's the end of the world you are not a Cubs fan. It's almost like a crime you are not a fan of the cute and cuddley Cubbies. You are also mean when you don't like the Cubbies.

You are a fan of what ever team you root for. When people told me they weren't rooting for the Sox in 2005, I said good! If you aren't a true fan, I don't want you to enjoy my team's success. They are my team. If they aren't yours, too bad. You don't deserve to enjoy their run if you aren't a true fan. Now, if they said they weren't rooting against the Sox but not acting like a big fan, I was fine with that as well.

In 2005, I didn't care whether Cubs fans were rooting for or against the Sox. I was too busy rooting for my team. I have no idea why Cubs fans care so goddamn much that I refuse to board their bandwagon.

jdm2662
08-06-2007, 06:51 PM
In 2005, I didn't care whether Cubs fans were rooting for or against the Sox. I was too busy rooting for my team. I have no idea why Cubs fans care so goddamn much that I refuse to board their bandwagon.

Makes no sense to me, either. I hate bandwagon jumpers. No one should enjoy the success of a team that they weren't a fan in the past. I didn't pretend to be a big Illinois fan during their Final Four run. I wasn't rooting against them or anything, and was happy for people like my uncle who went there, but I was not pretending to be some big fan. I had no business getting excited for my own benefit for their run. I knew one player only because he went to Proviso East, my high school's main basketball rivial. I felt it was insult to the true Illinois fans to enjoy the success of their run. Hell, I don't even like college sports. Just another strike against me...

I didn't want bandwagon jumpers in 2005. You should not be allowed to enjoy/celebrate the success of the team. You can certainly not root against them and/or be happy for fans of the team. However, please don't pretend to be a big fan when you weren't during the down times. And for the people that didn't like the Sox or any other teams I like, oh well. It's your loss.

Soxfanspcu11
08-06-2007, 06:51 PM
I have no idea why Cubs fans care so goddamn much that I refuse to board their bandwagon.

Are you serious??

Their "fans" obviously have many many issues. They have an incredible need to feel like they fit in, and need acceptance. There are about a dozen examples that I can think of just right now.

jabrch
08-06-2007, 06:54 PM
:bs:This city is a living hell when the Cubs are in contention. The great Cubgasm of 2003 is my least favorite time spent living here.

I think that's one of the funnier things I have seen here in a long time.

I enjoyed 2003. It was fun. I like post season baseabll, and I don't ate the Cubs. I know - some of their fans are annoying and the Cubjumping Media is terrible. But I really enjoy seeing winning baseball in Chicago.

I just enjoy it more when it is the Sox.

soxinem1
08-06-2007, 07:12 PM
I think that's one of the funnier things I have seen here in a long time.

I enjoyed 2003. It was fun. I like post season baseabll, and I don't ate the Cubs. I know - some of their fans are annoying and the Cubjumping Media is terrible. But I really enjoy seeing winning baseball in Chicago.

I just enjoy it more when it is the Sox.

I enjoyed 2003 too, especially when things like this made world-wide headlines:

http://www.nndb.com/people/979/000026901/steve-bartman.jpg

http://audihertz.net/blog/uploads/2006/07/071206-cubsfancrying.jpg

DSpivack
08-06-2007, 07:46 PM
Are you serious??

Their "fans" obviously have many many issues. They have an incredible need to feel like they fit in, and need acceptance. There are about a dozen examples that I can think of just right now.

One of my friends called me a terrible human being in 2003 for rooting for the Marlins. :rolleyes:

cws05champ
08-06-2007, 07:49 PM
I enjoyed 2003 too, especially when things like this made world-wide headlines:

http://www.nndb.com/people/979/000026901/steve-bartman.jpg

http://audihertz.net/blog/uploads/2006/07/071206-cubsfancrying.jpg

He he he....makes me smile everytime. I live in south florida now and I was rooting for the Marlins in that series. I happened to be in Chicago for work, we had a huge banquet that night...afterwards they turned the Cubs/Marlins game on about the 6th inning. I was smiling from ear to ear after the 8 run 8th. I looked at my Cub fan co-workers after the game and they just knew they would not win game #7.

MarySwiss
08-06-2007, 07:56 PM
One of my friends called me a terrible human being in 2003 for rooting for the Marlins. :rolleyes:

Well, he was right. If by "terrible" he meant "intelligent." :D:

eastchicagosoxfan
08-06-2007, 08:17 PM
I really hope Soriano is fine, and returns to the line-up tonight. Because I can already hear, " The Cubbies would be in first if only Soriano were healthy."I really don't care how the Cubs do. If they win, they will have earned it. 2005 makes the Cubs irrelevant in many respects.

jdm2662
08-06-2007, 08:20 PM
One of my friends called me a terrible human being in 2003 for rooting for the Marlins. :rolleyes:

:o:

You aren't rooting for the Cubbies????. You are mean!!!

:redneck

Martinigirl
08-06-2007, 08:38 PM
And it depends on the MRI results. Last report I heard, the Cubs hadn't released those results. If its a tear? Goodbye 2007, maybe he'll be back in time for the All Star Break of 2008. A tear is a fierce injury to repair/recondition/rehab.

Buster Olney on ESPN is reporting a tear.

DeadMoney
08-06-2007, 08:41 PM
Buster Olney on ESPN is reporting a tear.

During their game, in the top of the 1st, their announcers said the results were:

"...a 1 centimeter tear in the belly of the quadriceps muscle..."

...whatever that means.

EDIT: And from this (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/08/life-without-so.html):

"HOUSTON- An MRI of Alfonso Soriano's right quad muscle showed a one-centimeter tear that will force him to miss one month, the Cubs said Monday."

Hitmen77
08-06-2007, 08:50 PM
:bs:This city is a living hell when the Cubs are in contention. The great Cubgasm of 2003 is my least favorite time spent living here.

Agree 100 percent. I get tired of wearing my Sox gear around town and hearing people yell, "How about them Cubbies?" at me every five seconds.

I don't care about that as much as people act like it's the end of the world you are not a Cubs fan. It's almost like a crime you are not a fan of the cute and cuddley Cubbies.

I completely agree.

Hitmen77
08-06-2007, 08:57 PM
I don't root for players to get injured. So, I'm sorry for Soriano that he's hurt.

However, I don't feel sorry for the team who spent $136 million to get him nor for that team's fans who suddenly have come out of the woodwork acting like their team has already won the pennant after spending the last 18 months telling everyone 2005 never happened.

Hendu
08-06-2007, 09:29 PM
I don't root for players to get injured. So, I'm sorry for Soriano that he's hurt.

However, I don't feel sorry for the team who spent $136 million to get him nor for that team's fans who suddenly have come out of the woodwork acting like their team has already won the pennant after spending the last 18 months tell everyone 2005 never happened.

Not to mention spending that much for a player that relies on his speed and is already in his 30s. This injury could take a long time to heal properly.

Grzegorz
08-06-2007, 09:31 PM
It's bad karma to root for injuries.

That said, how would you like to be a potential buyer of this team looking at this long term obligation that is already injury prone and into his early thirties?

Martinigirl
08-06-2007, 10:45 PM
It's bad karma to root for injuries.

That said, how would you like to be a potential buyer of this team looking at this long term obligation that is already injury prone and into his early thirties?

I think the potential buyers of the team know it is a cash cow no matter what team they put on the field, so what difference does Soriano's contract make?

And I can tell you as a person that lived within earshot of Wrigley during 03, I will never root for them. I have family members I love and logically I should want them to have a winner, but I just can't do it. I realized that in 03 when I could hear the cheering during the NLCS. It was making me sick, so I closed my windows and just starting blaring music when one of my friends called me to tell me to turn on the game. I informed her the thought of them going to the WS was making me ill, and she told me they were in the middle of choking. I opened the windows, watched the game and cheered when they lost, both games.

And if it was just the team, I am sure I could be indifferent. And if the majority of the fans were knowledgable baseball fans, like my cousins, I could most likely cheer for them. But I can't because the vast majority of their fans our pompous *******s who don't even know the starting line up, or basic rules of baseball, yet they are the most condescending fanbase you will ever encounter. I will never forget having a guy at a Sox/Cub game say to me, in 2003, thinking I was a Cub fan, "You know what is wrong with Sox fans? They don't have that championship mentality." I want OFF. I asked if he was a Yankee fan and exactly what championship had the Cubs won. His only response was "Oh you are a Sox fan".

JB98
08-06-2007, 11:05 PM
I think the potential buyers of the team know it is a cash cow no matter what team they put on the field, so what difference does Soriano's contract make?

And I can tell you as a person that lived within earshot of Wrigley during 03, I will never root for them. I have family members I love and logically I should want them to have a winner, but I just can't do it. I realized that in 03 when I could hear the cheering during the NLCS. It was making me sick, so I closed my windows and just starting blaring music when one of my friends called me to tell me to turn on the game. I informed her the thought of them going to the WS was making me ill, and she told me they were in the middle of choking. I opened the windows, watched the game and cheered when they lost, both games.

And if it was just the team, I am sure I could be indifferent. And if the majority of the fans were knowledgable baseball fans, like my cousins, I could most likely cheer for them. But I can't because the vast majority of their fans our pompous *******s who don't even know the starting line up, or basic rules of baseball, yet they are the most condescending fanbase you will ever encounter. I will never forget having a guy at a Sox/Cub game say to me, in 2003, thinking I was a Cub fan, "You know what is wrong with Sox fans? They don't have that championship mentality." I want OFF. I asked if he were a Yankee fan and exactly what championship the Cubs had won. His only response was "Oh you are a Sox fan".

LOL. A championship mentality? How exactly would fans go about having a championship mentality? I don't even know what that means. Certainly, Cubs fans don't know anything about championships, unless they want to talk about the '85 Bears. And that might be described as "living in the past."

ChiSoxGirl
08-06-2007, 11:15 PM
One of my friends called me a terrible human being in 2003 for rooting for the Marlins. :rolleyes:

I had just graduated college in 2003 and was working at a doctor's office before getting my teaching job. The office manager wanted us to wear Cubs gear in support of the team. Not having a Marlins shirt in my possession (yet), I wore my Konerko jersey. A couple days before Game 5 of the NLCS, I was in one of the rooms with the doc and a patient who was in his 80s, and the patient tried to pick a fight with me because I wasn't rooting for the Cubs! :o: Not only did he try to pick a fight with me, but he insulted me for being a Sox fan and told me how ridiculous I was being for wearing Sox gear.

Viva Medias B's
08-06-2007, 11:15 PM
Listening to him talk about the Cubs' loss tonight and the absence of Soriano, Abbatacola on the Score sounds like he's ready to jump out of the 6th floor window at the NBC Tower. Unlike other Score hosts like Murph, he believes the Cubs are screwed without Soriano.

Frontman
08-06-2007, 11:32 PM
A 1cm tear is still a strain. A full tear, where ligaments and muscle have separated from the bone is a full year.

If the trainers say a month, its a month. Granted, these are the same trainers who keep on saying things were fine with Kerry Wood and Mark Prior, so I'd take whatever they have to say with a grain of salt.

JB98
08-06-2007, 11:34 PM
Listening to him talk about the Cubs' loss tonight and the absence of Soriano, Abbatacola on the Score sounds like he's ready to jump out of the 6th floor window at the NBC Tower. Unlike other Score hosts like Murph, he believes the Cubs are screwed without Soriano.

The Cubs are not a real good offensive team. They have little power, and now they have even less without Soriano. They have several pitchers who are exceeding expectations, and that's why they are in the race in a weak division.

If you combined the Cubs pitchers with the Brewers hitters, you might have a good team.

34rancher
08-07-2007, 12:04 AM
I hope Soriano is ok. I respect the game too much to see him hurt.

That being said, I love it when the a Cub fan tells me how the Sox suck. My best response is now:
"Well, that may be true, but the Cubs only suck 6 wins less." They really don't believe you. Then I have to remind them that in this "Year of Cub Destiny" that they all like to quote...the Cubs are currently 5 games over .500. Two years ago to the day in our "REAL" year of destiny, we were 33 games over .500. Fun to hear their responses.

Frontman
08-07-2007, 09:08 AM
I hope Soriano is ok. I respect the game too much to see him hurt.

That being said, I love it when the a Cub fan tells me how the Sox suck. My best response is now:
"Well, that may be true, but the Cubs only suck 6 wins less." They really don't believe you. Then I have to remind them that in this "Year of Cub Destiny" that they all like to quote...the Cubs are currently 5 games over .500. Two years ago to the day in our "REAL" year of destiny, we were 33 games over .500. Fun to hear their responses.

I always say, "And if the season ended tomorrow, the Cubs get to do what the Sox get to do. Watch the playoffs on TV. Granted, Konerko, Dye, Crede, Buehrle, etc can wear World Series rings while watching, but hey; they didn't make the playoffs either." Then roll my eyes, mention something about watching the "Sox Pride" DVD, and then sit back, relax, and strap it down as Cubbie faithful go ballistic.

PatK
08-07-2007, 11:34 AM
I don't wish injury on any player, except maybe for Brent Sutter at the tail end of his career.

However, I'm not losing sleep over Soriano. Injuries are part of baseball. Good teams work through them. The Sox have had injuries this year, and in 2004, and Frank was out most of 2005. We didn't make excuses for the Sox.

Stop making them for the Cubs. If their fans want to, that's fine.

soxfan13
08-07-2007, 11:37 AM
I don't wish injury on any player, except maybe for Brent Sutter at the tail end of his career.

However, I'm not losing sleep over Soriano. Injuries are part of baseball. Good teams work through them. The Sox have had injuries this year, and in 2004, and Frank was out most of 2005. We didn't make excuses for the Sox.

Stop making them for the Cubs. If their fans want to, that's fine.

Not defending anyone or any team but people keep saying that Frank was out most of 2005. The only difference was the Sox werent expecting anything big from him that year.:dunno:

TDog
08-07-2007, 11:59 AM
Not defending anyone or any team but people keep saying that Frank was out most of 2005. The only difference was the Sox werent expecting anything big from him that year.:dunno:

The same people weren't expecting anything big from the White Sox, based in part on the fact that they weren't expecting anything big from Thomas after losing Ordonez and Lee.

While I don't wish injuries on Cubs players, some people here who say they don't wish injuries on players aren't being completely honest. More than a few people around here have publicly said they would like to see Barry Bonds suffer a career-ending injury this year.

soxfan13
08-07-2007, 12:05 PM
The same people weren't expecting anything big from the White Sox, based in part on the fact that they weren't expecting anything big from Thomas after losing Ordonez and Lee.

While I don't wish injuries on Cubs players, some people here who say they don't wish injuries on players aren't being completely honest. More than a few people around here have publicly said they would like to see Barry Bonds suffer a career-ending injury this year.

I agree with you all I am saying that the Sox were already prepared for the fact that Thomas wasnt going to play for at least 2 months to begin the season. The Sox had a plan in place. Now if Thomas had gone down in the middle of the season it would be a whole different story.

TDog
08-07-2007, 12:23 PM
I agree with you all I am saying that the Sox were already prepared for the fact that Thomas wasnt going to play for at least 2 months to begin the season. The Sox had a plan in place. Now if Thomas had gone down in the middle of the season it would be a whole different story.

Their plan was to have Thomas come back and not go down in the middle of the season.

Of course, the specific different story you write of was told in 2004 when Thomas went down in the middle of the season. Ordonez went down too. It's an old story that gets retold a lot in White Sox history. The first time I had to live through it was in 1973, when the only two .300 hitters from 1972, Carlos May and MVP Dick Allen, went down as the Sox were getting off to a great start. It's been told by the Cubs too.

What the 2005 White Sox proved was that an injury makes for a tired excuse.

soxfan13
08-07-2007, 12:28 PM
Their plan was to have Thomas come back and not go down in the middle of the season.

Of course, the specific different story you write of was told in 2004 when Thomas went down in the middle of the season. Ordonez went down too. It's an old story that gets retold a lot in White Sox history. The first time I had to live through it was in 1973, when the only two .300 hitters from 1972, Carlos May and MVP Dick Allen, went down as the Sox were getting off to a great start. It's been told by the Cubs too.

What the 2005 White Sox proved was that an injury makes for a tired excuse.

No the Sox were not expecting him to come at the beginning of 2005 and they were not expecting much from him. What I am saying is they had a back up plan in place already. When a player such as Ordonez or a Soriano goes down in the middle of a season unexpected, it will always have any team scrambling.

IlliniSox4Life
08-07-2007, 01:59 PM
The same people weren't expecting anything big from the White Sox, based in part on the fact that they weren't expecting anything big from Thomas after losing Ordonez and Lee.

While I don't wish injuries on Cubs players, some people here who say they don't wish injuries on players aren't being completely honest. More than a few people around here have publicly said they would like to see Barry Bonds suffer a career-ending injury this year.

I'm in the category that has probably said at some point I wouldn't mind seeing Bonds have a career ending injury. I don't recall specifically saying it, but it seems like something I would say and probably did. Anyway, in that case, I just want him out of the game. I would prefer he'd retire, get arrested, or better yet get banned, but none of those are happening. The only other option is an injury. While I wouldn't really want Bonds to undergo physical pain or have any physical limitations for the rest of his life, I would want him out of the game.

Anyway, not to turn this into a Bonds discussion, but personally I would be in the category of people that don't wish for players to get injured that haven't disgraced the game of baseball, and Soriano is alright in my book, so this is a little upsetting.

TDog
08-07-2007, 03:57 PM
I'm in the category that has probably said at some point I wouldn't mind seeing Bonds have a career ending injury. I don't recall specifically saying it, but it seems like something I would say and probably did. Anyway, in that case, I just want him out of the game. I would prefer he'd retire, get arrested, or better yet get banned, but none of those are happening. The only other option is an injury. While I wouldn't really want Bonds to undergo physical pain or have any physical limitations for the rest of his life, I would want him out of the game.

Anyway, not to turn this into a Bonds discussion, but personally I would be in the category of people that don't wish for players to get injured that haven't disgraced the game of baseball, and Soriano is alright in my book, so this is a little upsetting.

My intent is not to turn it into a Bonds discussion. There were people who wished Henry Aaron out of the game, by injury if necessary. There were people who wished Pete Rose out of the game. (Long before there were gambling issues, Pete Rose gave people reason to hate Pete Rose, just as Barry Bonds was justifiably hated before people linked him to steroids.) Lumping in Bonds, you have character issues with two of the three that would distinguish such feelings toward Aaron to be morally reprehensible. Some people consider signing with the Cubs and helping them succeed to be, if not a bad-character issue, to be an evil if such a player helped the Cubs win, causing some harm to my team.

It is classless to root for any player to be injured, and I don't. Showing sympathy is a different story. I've never seen the consensus of Cubs Nation show sympathy for White Sox injuries. Rather, I've heard them joke about it. Really, I'm not sorry for Soriano. He still has an excellent income. If he wanted to play for a winner, maybe he picked the wrong team to sign with. At least you'll still be paid. When I broke a rib on the job a couple of years ago, I didn't miss any work, and I fought for months to get workman's comp to pay for the X-rays.

And the Cubs fans in the office considered my pain to be a source of their amusement. Cubs fans have never inspired sympathy from me.