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It's Dankerific
08-03-2007, 02:48 AM
According to the Tribune (which you can take or leave..)

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070802soxbrite,1,6491839.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

My question for the people that know is this. since is a possibility that no GM in his right mind would want contreras, is it possible for jose to agree to leave the team if he wants to get a deal with some other team that'll let him start (most probably for MUCH less money??) I know we can't outright release him without paying for his contract, but what if he WANTED out?

oeo
08-03-2007, 02:51 AM
Hey, Kenny's already tried that. No one will take you because you suck. So, please, please, please shape up so we can dump you.

It's Dankerific
08-03-2007, 03:03 AM
If Jose had any pride he'd let us out of the contract and go pitch for whomever he wants...
(thus the reason I am curious to whether it is possible.)


Hey, Kenny's already tried that. No one will take you because you suck. So, please, please, please shape up so we can dump you.

chaerulez
08-03-2007, 03:49 AM
If Jose had any pride he'd let us out of the contract and go pitch for whomever he wants...
(thus the reason I am curious to whether it is possible.)

No one walks away from $20 million dollars. The MLBPA wouldn't let that happen even if Jose tried to do it.

Jose should shut up. He is possibly the worst starter in the big leagues right now, maybe Jeff Weaver and Kip Wells are worse, but not by much. He'll be lucky if he's not sent to be the mop up reliever. He did great in the playoffs but 2005 has passed, he isn't doing anything now so he should accept his role and pitch.

LITTLE NELL
08-03-2007, 04:48 AM
Maybe Fidel will take him back.

Grzegorz
08-03-2007, 04:53 AM
I am surprised at this article; I'd have expected him to be contrite after his performance this year.

Whether he meant what he said, word for word, or if his words were misrepresented one thing should be crystal clear: do not air your grievances through the press.

lostfan
08-03-2007, 06:55 AM
If he wants to start in '08, the solution is simple. Don't suck. The end.

hose
08-03-2007, 07:48 AM
Jose get in your raft and start sailing north to Milwaukee the Sox just traded you to the Brewers for a pair of Brew Crew's liderhosen.

For the rest of the year Brew Crew's linderhosen will be run up the flag pole when the Brewers win a game.

Kenny tried to get one of the racing sausages straight up for you but Gord Ash told Doug Melvin to get a MRI on your arm first and the deal fell through.

Jose your duties will be to give Brew Crew a day off when the Brewers play a day game after a night game or every 5th game which ever comes first.

kittle42
08-03-2007, 09:09 AM
Note to Jose Contreras: even the Sox bullpen wouldn't take you.

wdelaney72
08-03-2007, 09:15 AM
<using Jerry Angelo voice> That's just a crap stirrer.

1. Agreed with chaerulez. He won't give up the money, nor will the union allow him to.
2. He's nearly impossible to trade right now. The hope is one of contending teams loses a starter to injury and they become desperate... but even that's a long shot and would require the Sox to eat a lot of money.
3. Come end of the month, he should be shelved so he can rest and work through his divorce... all we can do is hope his mind and health are right for next season. The money is committed to him, so he's going to get another shot next season whether we like or not... deserved or not... All we can do is hope he turns it around.

Flight #24
08-03-2007, 09:56 AM
3. Come end of the month, he should be shelved so he can rest and work through his divorce... all we can do is hope his mind and health are right for next season. The money is committed to him, so he's going to get another shot next season whether we like or not... deserved or not... All we can do is hope he turns it around.

I disagree - he's got the whole offseason to "get right". The Sox need to do whatever they can to get this guy performing THIS season because their best hopes for next year lie on shedding his salary in the offseason, and that relies on him pitching at least decently over the next 8 weeks.

The "downside" is that he continues to suck and is untradeable. But he's untradeable now, so that's no change. Everything they do with Jose needs to be geared towards trying to generate some value from him to set up a trade.

Thome25
08-03-2007, 09:58 AM
Not only is he pitching like Navarro but, he also thinks he's in a position to make demands and run his mouth like Navarro as well.

Hey Jose I got a newsflash: Start pitching like an ace and then MAYBE you can make some demands.:angry::angry::angry:

Mr.1Dog
08-03-2007, 10:00 AM
Throw him in the pen. He will fit right in. He can't be a set up man but if there's an instance like the first two games at the Stadium where longer relief is needed, throw him in there. I do realize he was one of the reasons needed for the long relief, but who knows...Have him kick a little ass out of the pen and build up his confidence. Other than that, this is kinda like beating a dead horse.

dickallen15
08-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Everyone is taking this way out of context. He said being in the bullpen the rest of the season is fine, his performance warrants it. He said he's going to be fine, that he will workout hard in the offseason and be up to snuff for spring training. He just doesn't want the White Sox to think of him as a reliever now. You can bet they don't, considering they rarely like to pay much more than minimum for relievers. Its pile on Contreras time at WSI.

kittle42
08-03-2007, 10:34 AM
He just doesn't want the White Sox to think of him as a reliever now.

I'd prefer they not think of him as a pitcher.

southside rocks
08-03-2007, 10:48 AM
Everyone is taking this way out of context. He said being in the bullpen the rest of the season is fine, his performance warrants it. He said he's going to be fine, that he will workout hard in the offseason and be up to snuff for spring training. He just doesn't want the White Sox to think of him as a reliever now. You can bet they don't, considering they rarely like to pay much more than minimum for relievers. Its pile on Contreras time at WSI.

I agree 100%.

chaerulez
08-03-2007, 10:49 AM
I wonder why Contreras isn't complaining about his demotion currently, but for 08? Maybe he's okay with it this year so he doesn't reach 20 losses?

balke
08-03-2007, 10:50 AM
If he can get things right by next season, then he's a starter. A 20 million dollar bullpen arm isn't what the Sox are paying for. So yeah, get your head straight and get back to pitching like a starter, so you can be one.

balke
08-03-2007, 10:51 AM
I wonder why Contreras isn't complaining about his demotion currently, but for 08? Maybe he's okay with it this year so he doesn't reach 20 losses?

I think he knows where he has to get to be a starter, but realizes he is doing nothing in the starter role this season. He's probably challenging himself more than anything to get back to starter form.

jenn2080
08-03-2007, 10:54 AM
That is a funny demand coming from someone who can hardly make it out of an inning without giving up runs.

dickallen15
08-03-2007, 10:55 AM
That is a funny demand coming from someone who can hardly make it out of an inning without giving up runs.

Mark Buerhle had the same problem the second half of last season.

HartmanSox
08-03-2007, 11:02 AM
Mark Buerhle had the same problem the second half of last season.

Mark's situation wasn't nearly this bad. Jose needs some time in the pen.

palehozenychicty
08-03-2007, 11:03 AM
Mark's situation wasn't nearly this bad. Jose needs some time to find a new career.

Jose is done. Period.

kingpin_rcs
08-03-2007, 11:07 AM
Give him the off season and another chance to bounce back.

I know it's apples and oranges but when Frank went through his divorce he had a terrible year. Did the Sox put him on the bench the next year? No.

Let Jose get his head straight, work hard in the off season and come to spring training with a fresh perspective. Along with everyone else on the team, and new teammates Torii Hunter and Alex Rodriguez.

I know, I am optimist to a fault.

Hitmen77
08-03-2007, 11:29 AM
Everyone is taking this way out of context. He said being in the bullpen the rest of the season is fine, his performance warrants it. He said he's going to be fine, that he will workout hard in the offseason and be up to snuff for spring training. He just doesn't want the White Sox to think of him as a reliever now. You can bet they don't, considering they rarely like to pay much more than minimum for relievers. Its pile on Contreras time at WSI.

Actually, what he said was:

"If they don't want me as a starter next year, I want to be out of here. I want to be a starter next year, definitely. I feel good and maybe for the remainder of the year I'll be in the bullpen. But I fully expect to start next year, I'll work out hard during the off-season and be ready for next year. But in case they don't want me as a starter, I guess they're going to have to talk because I want to be a starter and not be anything but a starter next year."

Unless you think Jose is being misquoted, how is this being taken out of context? With all due respect, it sounds like you are just putting a positive spin on Jose's comments. Maybe that's what he really meant to say. If we want to believe that, fine - that may indeed be correct. But the direct quote doesn't sound quite as positive to me.

He says he wants "out of here" if he's not a starter for next season and "they're going to have to talk"....."talk" about what? Perhaps talk about re-working the $20 million left in his contract to actually make him tradeable? I doubt it. A couple of posters suggest that the MLB union wouldn't allow him to do that anyway.

southside rocks
08-03-2007, 11:35 AM
Interesting take on it here:

http://blogs.dailysouthtown.com/whalen/2007/08/514_with_a_660_era_and_he_quas.html

Now I'm not so sure just what the context was. This sounds not so good. :?:

ETA: Nate Whalen is the White Sox beat writer for the Daily Southtown and that link is to his blog.

jenn2080
08-03-2007, 11:40 AM
Mark Buerhle had the same problem the second half of last season.


Oh for sure, not sure he was saying that he should be a starter or else though.

Flight #24
08-03-2007, 11:42 AM
I wonder if the Sox & Phillies might be interested in swapping underperforming, overpaid players? They have Pat Burrell at $14M for 2008 and we have Jose at $20M through 2009. The Sox also have a need for some OFs and the Phils need SPs (although I'm not sure either really helps fill a hole since they both suck). Sox have kids who can take Jose's place in Gio/Sisco/Masset/Broadway/etc and the Phils have Victorino & Bourn.

Just a thought. I know the Sox would want someone better than Burrell, but when you're giving up someone who's been as bad as Jose, you can't expect much in return.

tony1972
08-03-2007, 11:51 AM
Mark's situation wasn't nearly this bad. Jose needs some time in the pen.

True...but Mark is not 74 years old either...

balke
08-03-2007, 11:56 AM
This thread reminds me of the one where Garland was struggling in like 04', but said some confident things about himself in a newspaper article. Then just because he was doing bad, everyone called him an arrogant jerk and demanded a trade and his head and that he be moved into the bullpen and blah blah blah.


Pitchers need to have confidence in their ability. Jose is showing he's determined to get back to that starting form, and he is challenging himself to get there. I don't see anything wrong with that. He seems to believe he is a starter, and will be next season, and he's not going to change his career from starter to reliever at this point. I don't blame him.

dickallen15
08-03-2007, 12:17 PM
From the Daily Herald, part of what all the others left out, trying to create controversy


ďIím going to keep fighting,íí said Contreras, who is 0-7 with a 10.38 ERA in his last 7 starts. ďIím going to show people Iím going to be all right. People can think whatever they want to think. I havenít gotten the results, but Iíll be back. I donít care what people think. Iím healthy. I feel good and thatís the main thing.íí

thomas35forever
08-03-2007, 01:39 PM
Listen Jose, you're not helping your case complaining about what you might be next season. Your choices: clear your head and pitch great again or bye-bye.

nsolo
08-03-2007, 04:11 PM
According to the Tribune (which you can take or leave..)

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070802soxbrite,1,6491839.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

My question for the people that know is this. since is a possibility that no GM in his right mind would want contreras, is it possible for jose to agree to leave the team if he wants to get a deal with some other team that'll let him start (most probably for MUCH less money??) I know we can't outright release him without paying for his contract, but what if he WANTED out?

He's speaking from a position of power, and he knows it. Nobody would just walk away from the $ that he has coming via his contract. He's not going anywhere because as of right now, he sucks. So, since the Sox are stuck with him, he's decided to call the shots by letting everyone know he wants to start, not pitch from the bullpen. And, seeing as how our bullpen is less than stellar, would you rather pay him that kind of money to start, or to further water down a bad bullpen?

It's Dankerific
08-03-2007, 04:18 PM
He's speaking from a position of power, and he knows it. Nobody would just walk away from the $ that he has coming via his contract. He's not going anywhere because as of right now, he sucks. So, since the Sox are stuck with him, he's decided to call the shots by letting everyone know he wants to start, not pitch from the bullpen. And, seeing as how our bullpen is less than stellar, would you rather pay him that kind of money to start, or to further water down a bad bullpen?

Honestly, if he continues to pitch this way, I'd rather pay him the money to sit at home. Sure, I hope he turns it around either this year (or especially for 2008) so hes either useful and/or tradeable. but I don't want to think of a situation in early 2008 where he continues to be a guaranteed Loss. that's even worse than wasting 10 mil.

Irishsox1
08-03-2007, 04:20 PM
Contreras from mid 2005 to mid 2006 was the most amazing turn around I've ever seen. But, he's back to being the old Contreras which isn't worth much.

Any chance we can send him back to Cuba for a box of cigars?

Patrick134
08-03-2007, 04:31 PM
Thing is, he could get back and be decent, therfore tradable, but nobody would that the risk at his current price.

A. Cavatica
08-03-2007, 08:29 PM
Right now he's not worth taking Floyd's spot in the Charlotte rotation, but if the Sox could send him down (without him being able to veto it) then they ought to send him a message and do it.

kitekrazy
08-03-2007, 10:18 PM
Not only is he pitching like Navarro but, he also thinks he's in a position to make demands and run his mouth like Navarro as well.

That's why Major League Baseball sucks. Thanks to 2 lousy commissioners you get attitudes like this. The quality of "professional" baseball continues to deteriorate. I've never seen so many players clueless about the fundamentals of the game. No one should have to work on fundamentals in Spring training unless it's Little League.

Tragg
08-03-2007, 10:19 PM
Thing is, he could get back and be decent, therfore tradable, but nobody would that the risk at his current price.
They might if we picked up, say, 1/2 the tab.
I don't recall us doing that since Durham, but it may not be a bad idea.

Nellie_Fox
08-03-2007, 11:57 PM
Any chance we can send him back to Cuba for a box of cigars?No; it's illegal for a U.S. citizen to have Cuban cigars.:tongue:

soxfanreggie
08-04-2007, 12:05 AM
Since he hasn't pitched worth a darn, nobody else wants him. Therefore, we can't trade him. He could restructure his contract that allows for a buyout.

kevin57
08-04-2007, 11:14 AM
Pitchers can and do turn things around, but Contreras' age argues against being an optimist in this case, especially since he is not a finesse pitcher (a la G. Maddux).

WizardsofOzzie
08-04-2007, 11:36 AM
:rolling:

How bout get out of the first inning without allowing 4 runs and we'll start you.

:dumbass:

soxinem1
08-04-2007, 03:35 PM
The Pirates took Matt Morris and his contract this week. Even they are not dumb enough to take Conteras, or he'd be gone by now.

So many teams desperate for starters, and no one wanted him.

He should feel fortunate that he HAS to be paid, so if he does not like it, he can retire. He's probably old enough to draw a pension anyway.

TDog
08-04-2007, 04:15 PM
No; it's illegal for a U.S. citizen to have Cuban cigars.:tongue:

You wouldn't want to buy Cuban cigars, anyway. When you contracted cancer, you wouldn't be able to sue the manufacturer.

I'm not sure I know what the consequence is for the team not trading a player who demands to be traded. I know that if a player refuses a minor league assignment he is released from his contract. If the consequences to the Sox were only terminating the contract with no remaining consideration from either side, that might not be a such bad deal for the White Sox.

Frontman
08-04-2007, 07:18 PM
Oh, he can start.

In AAA if he'd like.

Otherwise, shut up and shape up, Jose. Love what you did for us in 2005, but this team doesn't do the prima-donna superstar routine for great players, much less poor ones.

tick53
08-05-2007, 09:26 AM
What rocks this guy has. Get a clue Jose. If you suck, no ones gonna put you in the starting ro. Some people have absolutely no sense of self-awareness. They should have dealt him a month before the trading deadline. The Sox are still going to owe this guy 20 mildo next year.

tick53
08-05-2007, 09:28 AM
Contreras from mid 2005 to mid 2006 was the most amazing turn around I've ever seen. But, he's back to being the old Contreras which isn't worth much.

Any chance we can send him back to Cuba for a box of cigars?

If Cuban stogies were legal in this country, I think The Chairman would have made the deal. Good one Irishsox :smile:

viagracat
08-05-2007, 10:45 AM
Keep living in a fantasy world, Jose. :rolleyes:

Start by getting your ERA under six before even opening your mouth again.

soxinem1
08-05-2007, 10:52 AM
Contreras from mid 2005 to mid 2006 was the most amazing turn around I've ever seen. But, he's back to being the old Contreras which isn't worth much.

Any chance we can send him back to Cuba for a box of cigars?

The pre-2005 second half Contreras was nowhere near this bad. He at least made it out of the fifth inning without giving up seven runs most of the time.

Ziggy S
08-05-2007, 01:09 PM
They should have dealt him a month before the trading deadline. The Sox are still going to owe this guy 20 mildo next year.
They could have dealt Jose if any team would have taken him and we wouldn't have had to pay more than half of his salary for the next two years.

Let Jose be the ultimate mop-up bullpen guy. If the team is down by double digits bring him in; otherwise let Jose sit his old hiney on the bench.

Jason82807
08-05-2007, 01:37 PM
According to the Tribune (which you can take or leave..)

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070802soxbrite,1,6491839.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

My question for the people that know is this. since is a possibility that no GM in his right mind would want contreras, is it possible for jose to agree to leave the team if he wants to get a deal with some other team that'll let him start (most probably for MUCH less money??) I know we can't outright release him without paying for his contract, but what if he WANTED out?

We could probably trade him for a good bat boy