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getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 01:50 PM
According to Stark and ESPN.

Domeshot17
07-31-2007, 01:51 PM
For a minor leaguer, per BBTN deadline special not sure full details yet

Pasqua's Mailman
07-31-2007, 01:51 PM
According to Jason Stark on ESPN News for a prospect...

Foulke You
07-31-2007, 01:53 PM
Not too surprising. Now let's see if KW can get anything for Cintron.

102605
07-31-2007, 01:54 PM
Move Cintron!!!

Get a bag of new practice balls for Contreras!

BiggestFan14
07-31-2007, 01:55 PM
Interesting trade. I liked Rob, especially coming off the bench. Hopefully this minor leager turns out to be good though.

INSox56
07-31-2007, 01:55 PM
Bummer. Seems like he's done more than JD this year....probably why he got traded and not JD (so far). HAH

hose
07-31-2007, 01:55 PM
This explains Ozzie playing Mack at first base recently.

Good luck Rob.

I think you will be better off back in the national league as a utility/pinch hitter.

thomas35forever
07-31-2007, 01:56 PM
Did he say it was confirmed?

EDIT: Never mind. I just saw it on BottomLine.

ArkanSox
07-31-2007, 01:56 PM
Hope he's a good prospect, as Mac is a gamer.
Yet another ex-WS player in the potential playoff mix.

Mr. White Sox
07-31-2007, 01:56 PM
This explains Ozzie playing Mack at first base recently.

Good luck Rob.

I think you will be better off back in the national league as a utility/pinch hitter.

He's had a good year with the bat so far. He'll help the Padres more than Russell Branyan could.

SoxSpeed22
07-31-2007, 01:57 PM
Mack was put in numerous bad spots this year and last year. I'm sure he will do a lot better in San Diego.

KenBerryGrab
07-31-2007, 01:57 PM
Sorry for the repeat. Please delete.

Rockabilly
07-31-2007, 01:58 PM
maybe its Royce Ring coming to the Sox

balke
07-31-2007, 01:58 PM
I saw this and replied in another thread to say: Mack caught a rough break having to play so much for the squad this year. He was so horrible at times I can't say I'll miss him though. This frees up some room in the OF for Erstad and Owens, and to keep Fields up if Crede is healthy next season.


He was doing well lately. Good move though. He's a lot better for what he does than the Sox fans give credit for, but as a Sox fan I don't want to hear his name again. He's been simply horrible at times this season.

HawkDJ
07-31-2007, 01:58 PM
What? No Mackowiak appreciation thread?

soxinem1
07-31-2007, 01:59 PM
I wonder if this means JD may be staying more long-term after all.

I'm sure at the very least Sweeney gets brought up.

DoItForDanPasqua
07-31-2007, 01:59 PM
The Padres have just found their new starting center fielder.

102605
07-31-2007, 01:59 PM
I hope we return the favor for Blum with Mack going to San Diego.


Think about how ironic this is:

Blum, a San Diego native, goes to Chicago and resigns with San Diego after the season.

Mack, a Chicago native, goes to San Diego and ______ (well it would be ironic if he came back to Chicago after this season and winning a World Series with the Padres.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-31-2007, 01:59 PM
So we trade Mac, and keep Cintron...

stl_sox_fan
07-31-2007, 01:59 PM
Mack was put in numerous bad spots this year and last year. I'm sure he will do a lot better in San Diego.

If he becomes a Gold Glove CF I am going to write the sternest letter to him!!

INSox56
07-31-2007, 02:00 PM
What? No Mackowiak appreciation thread?think we should wait till after 3 to bust those out.

EMel9281
07-31-2007, 02:00 PM
I hope we return the favor for Blum with Mack going to San Diego.


Think about how ironic this is:

Blum, a San Diego native, goes to Chicago and resigns with San Diego after the season.

Mack, a Chicago native, goes to San Diego and ______ (well it would be ironic if he came back to Chicago after this season and winning a World Series with the Padres.

A little too ironic, yeah, I really do think...

INSox56
07-31-2007, 02:01 PM
So we trade Mac, and keep Cintron...
LOL it's not playstation. Not like you can tell the Padres who to trade for...

FielderJones
07-31-2007, 02:02 PM
No official Sox press release as of now:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/index.jsp?c_id=cws

oeo
07-31-2007, 02:02 PM
I wonder if this means JD may be staying more long-term after all.

I'm sure at the very least Sweeney gets brought up.

We could have an outfield of WMP, Owens, and Sweeney tomorrow. :o:

HawkDJ
07-31-2007, 02:03 PM
think we should wait till after 3 to bust those out.


I was mostly kidding

JermaineDye05
07-31-2007, 02:03 PM
Mackowiak leaving for a minor leaguer now may signal another deal, or Erstad/Sweeney's call up.

Flight #24
07-31-2007, 02:04 PM
We could have an outfield of WMP, Owens, and Sweeney tomorrow. :o:
:chunks

Marqhead
07-31-2007, 02:04 PM
Dumping salary I supppose. Hopefully we'll use it to pursue some bigger names this offseason

So long Rob.

INSox56
07-31-2007, 02:05 PM
Mackowiak leaving for a minor leaguer now may signal another deal, or Erstad/Sweeney's call up.I actually heard a Levine rumor we're getting something for Erstad via trade.....

IceczMan
07-31-2007, 02:07 PM
Any speculation on the minor league prospect coming from the padres?

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-31-2007, 02:10 PM
Any speculation on the minor league prospect coming from the padres?

Considering he's unnamed. A bucket of balls may be worth more.

Sockinchisox
07-31-2007, 02:14 PM
We could have an outfield of WMP, Owens, and Sweeney tomorrow. :o:

Probably not going to happen with the Boston deal dead.

thedudeabides
07-31-2007, 02:14 PM
The Padres have also traded for Ensberg according to Olney. Not sure what that team is doing.

Marqhead
07-31-2007, 02:15 PM
The Padres have also traded for Ensberg according to Olney. Not sure what that team is doing.

Stocking up on serious talent, obviously.

The Immigrant
07-31-2007, 02:16 PM
Any speculation on the minor league prospect coming from the padres?

Their minor league system is thinner than ours, so it probably won't be anyone noteworthy. Maybe they'll send us Royce Ring.

Zisk77
07-31-2007, 02:16 PM
I hope the prospect is Nathan Culp LHP and Edwardsville tiger :D:

champagne030
07-31-2007, 02:18 PM
Dumping salary I supppose. Hopefully we'll use it to pursue some bigger names this offseason

So long Rob.

:reinsy

Keep dreamin' sonny. You don't get into a position like mine by using saved money this season for increased spending next season.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:19 PM
So we trade Mac, and keep Cintron...
Mac is due I believe 3.5 million next season where as Cintron is like 1.2.

Marqhead
07-31-2007, 02:19 PM
:reinsy

Keep dreamin' sonny. You don't get into a position like mine by using saved money this season for increased spending next season.

As usual my optimism has got the best of me...

DSpivack
07-31-2007, 02:20 PM
:reinsy

Keep dreamin' sonny. You don't get into a position like mine by using saved money this season for increased spending next season.

Yeah, not like we have a top 5 payroll or anything.

broker3d
07-31-2007, 02:21 PM
So we trade Mac, and keep Cintron...

different positions and different types of players. I don't understand your point!

nug0hs
07-31-2007, 02:22 PM
So, after Molina clearing waivers yesterday and this move today, the 40 man roster now stands at 38. What about these last two spots to fill?

wdelaney72
07-31-2007, 02:22 PM
I'm disappointed. Rob was a solid player that wasn't breaking the bank. There was really no reason to move him out for the sake of opening up a position... I know we won't get a huge blue-chip prospect, but I sure hope we got something in return.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:23 PM
Mackowiak leaving for a minor leaguer now may signal another deal, or Erstad/Sweeney's call up.
Please NO!!!

Considering he's unnamed. A bucket of balls may be worth more.
The unnamed player is worth 3.5 million dollars next season.

Rockabilly
07-31-2007, 02:23 PM
So, after Molina clearing waivers yesterday and this move today, the 40 man roster now stands at 38. What about these last two spots to fill?

Actually it stands at 37

balke
07-31-2007, 02:24 PM
So, after Molina clearing waivers yesterday and this move today, the 40 man roster now stands at 38. What about these last two spots to fill?

Erstad, and ? You would think they need a utility player now.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:24 PM
I'm disappointed. Rob was a solid player that wasn't breaking the bank. There was really no reason to move him out for the sake of opening up a position... I know we won't get a huge blue-chip prospect, but I sure hope we got something in return.
3.5 million to play an outfield that calling it below average is generous.

KRS1
07-31-2007, 02:35 PM
So, after Molina clearing waivers yesterday and this move today, the 40 man roster now stands at 38. What about these last two spots to fill?

I hope we see Fernando Hernandez soon.

Marqhead
07-31-2007, 02:36 PM
The player in the deal is single A pitcher John Link

102605
07-31-2007, 02:37 PM
The Chicago White Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=cha) have traded outfielder Rob Mackowiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6725) to the San Diego Padres (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sdg) for a minor-league right-handed pitcher Jon Link.

rdivaldi
07-31-2007, 02:37 PM
The player in the deal is single A pitcher John Link

Yep, just heard that. Could he be the missing "link" to another championship?


(Rim shot)

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:37 PM
The player in the deal is single A pitcher John Link
Link?:D:

Marqhead
07-31-2007, 02:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2956001 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2956001)

I posted this, and then saw your smiley face. Well done.

spawn
07-31-2007, 02:39 PM
In other words, another bag of balls. KW is obviously dumping salary. It would be nice if he could get something in return.

oeo
07-31-2007, 02:40 PM
Kenny is now stocking up on young relievers. Which I guess isn't a bad plan, in case we ever have another year like this one.

rdivaldi
07-31-2007, 02:40 PM
In other words, another bag of balls. KW is obviously dumping salary. It would be nice if he could get something in return.

Because you know exactly how much about John Link?

Jeez, hold off on the dark clouds until we learn something about the kid.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:41 PM
In other words, another bag of balls. KW is obviously dumping salary. It would be nice if he could get something in return.
Umm what would you expect for a guy who can't play defense and up until 2 weeks ago couldn't hit either? Also consider we gave up Damaso Marte for this guy.

ChiSoxGirl
07-31-2007, 02:42 PM
Damn. http://soxandthecity.net/smilies/frown.gif I'm one of few who actually liked Mackowiak. He took a lot of unnecessary heat & criticism last year because of where Ozzie chose to play him, and that's unfortunate; Mackowiak doesn't make the lineup, Ozzie does.

And when the offense was in the basement earlier this season, Mackowiak was one of few guys who was actually hitting and looking good at the plate.

Seems to me like this is another example of getting rid of someone for the sake of doing it, regardless of what we get in return. Any word on John Link's numbers? I've had it up to here with "pitching prospects." Scott Ruffcorn, Rod Bolton anyone? :angry:

thedudeabides
07-31-2007, 02:43 PM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jon%20Link&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=456899

102605
07-31-2007, 02:44 PM
Jon Link was the closer for the Lake Elsinore Storm (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/clubs/index.jsp?cid=t103). His #'s this year were pretty good. He seems like a solid young pitching prospect tabbed for the bullpen in a few years.

I like the trade.

hose
07-31-2007, 02:44 PM
Yep, just heard that. Could he be the missing "link" to another championship?


(Rim shot)

:rolling:

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:44 PM
Damn. http://soxandthecity.net/smilies/frown.gif I'm one of few who actually liked Mackowiak. He took a lot of unnecessary heat & criticism last year because of where Ozzie chose to play him, and that's unfortunate; Mackowiak doesn't make the lineup, Ozzie does.

And when the offense was in the basement earlier this season, Mackowiak was one of few guys who was actually hitting and looking good at the plate.

Seems to me like this is another example of getting rid of someone for the sake of doing it, regardless of what we get in return. Any word on John Link's numbers? I've had it up to here with "pitching prospects." Scott Ruffcorn, Rod Bolton anyone? :angry:
He didn't start hitting until a couple weeks ago, unless "hard hit" groundouts count. Also factor in I believe Rob was due 3.5 million for 08. That in itself is worth the deal, throw in a pitching prospect only sweetens the deal.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:46 PM
Jon Link was the closer for the Lake Elsinore Storm (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/clubs/index.jsp?cid=t103). His #'s this year were pretty good. He seems like a solid young pitching prospect tabbed for the bullpen in a few years.

I like the trade.
Ya but he can't run around the outfield looking like a chicken without a head, or hit really hard groundouts.

The Immigrant
07-31-2007, 02:47 PM
Also factor in I believe Rob was due 3.5 million for 08.

Yes, but his buyout was only $300k. So we got Link for the remainder of Mackowiak's salary this year + $300k.

Navarro's Talent
07-31-2007, 02:47 PM
Hopefully, John Link turns out to be a strong contributor to the pen in a few years. I'm looking forward to seeing him pitch one day.

Goodbye, Rob. You shall be missed.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-31-2007, 02:47 PM
different positions and different types of players. I don't understand your point!

Mac can hit, Cintron can't.

102605
07-31-2007, 02:48 PM
Ya but he can't run around the outfield looking like a chicken without a head, or hit really hard groundouts.

:smile:. I can't remember any player ever frustrating me more than Mackowiak did.


That being said, I hope he hits a extra inning HR in the World Series for the Padres.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:49 PM
Yes, but his buyout was only $300k. So we got Link for the remainder of Mackowiak's salary this year + $300k.
So this is bad how? We don't pay the remainder of 07 or the 08 buyout not to mention get a player out of it.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 02:50 PM
:smile:. I can't remember any player ever frustrating me more than Mackowiak did.


That being said, I hope he hits a extra inning HR in the World Series for the Padres.
I'm hoping the same for Teixera and the Braves.

102605
07-31-2007, 02:51 PM
The player in the deal is single A pitcher John Link

Because you know exactly how much about John Link?

Any word on John Link's numbers? :angry:

Hopefully, John Link turns out to be a strong contributor to the pen in a few years. I'm looking forward to seeing him pitch one day.

It is Jon Link.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jon%20Link&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=456899

Randar68
07-31-2007, 02:51 PM
:smile:. I can't remember any player ever frustrating me more than Mackowiak did.


That being said, I hope he hits a extra inning HR in the World Series for the Padres.

Ditto on all counts, except that Mack playing everyday and frustrating me to no end was more due to Ozzie putting him in the line-up every day. He was who we thought he was, to steal a line from Denny Green

The Immigrant
07-31-2007, 02:52 PM
So this is bad how? We don't pay the remainder of 07 or the 08 buyout not to mention get a player out of it.

Not saying it is bad at all, just trying to get the numbers right so everyone can draw their own conclusion.

102605
07-31-2007, 02:52 PM
I'm hoping the same for Teixera and the Braves.

You didn't catch my thoughts of UTIL - Blum to the White Sox in 2005 = UTIL - Mackowiak to the Padres in 2007.

rdivaldi
07-31-2007, 02:53 PM
It is Jon Link.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jon%20Link&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=456899

When he gets to the majors I'll spell his name correctly....

Bear-Sox
07-31-2007, 02:56 PM
we give away Mackowiak for a 23 year old pitcher in A ball. I think it is obvious we will be in for a long 3-5 years as KW will be getting rid of salary and get what he and his awesome team of scouts think to be good prospects.

spawn
07-31-2007, 02:56 PM
When he gets to the majors I'll spell his name correctly....
Fixed that for ya!:D:

Frontman
07-31-2007, 02:57 PM
Sorry to see him go, good luck to Rob.

The Immigrant
07-31-2007, 02:59 PM
I think it is obvious we will be in for a long 3-5 years as KW will be getting rid of salary and get what he and his awesome team of scouts think to be good prospects.

Riiiight, "getting rid of salary" is why Buehrle is getting a $5 million raise next year.

rdivaldi
07-31-2007, 03:00 PM
we give away Mackowiak for a 23 year old pitcher in A ball. I think it is obvious we will be in for a long 3-5 years as KW will be getting rid of salary and get what he and his awesome team of scouts think to be good prospects.

Where's my umbrella? They're coming out of the woodwork....

Bear-Sox
07-31-2007, 03:02 PM
Riiiight, "getting rid of salary" is why Buehrle is getting a $5 million raise next year.
They obviously were not planning on bringing back Mack and trading him saves almost a million for the rest of the season and saves us from having to pay the buyout because KW was not planning on picking up the option. Trading him for an A ball pitcher who will not see the majors within the next 2-3 years, if ever is a salary dump if I've ever seen one.

getonbckthr
07-31-2007, 03:05 PM
They obviously were not planning on bringing back Mack and trading him saves almost a million for the rest of the season and saves us from having to pay the buyout because KW was not planning on picking up the option. Trading him for an A ball pitcher who will not see the majors within the next 2-3 years, if ever is a salary dump if I've ever seen one.
Idiot.
Seriously thats all your 2 posts deserves is that 1 word

102605
07-31-2007, 03:16 PM
They obviously were not planning on bringing back Mack and trading him saves almost a million for the rest of the season and saves us from having to pay the buyout because KW was not planning on picking up the option. Trading him for an A ball pitcher who will not see the majors within the next 2-3 years, if ever is a salary dump if I've ever seen one.


Even if it WAS just a salary dump (It isn't because Link is a decent closer and prospect) I would be EXTREMELY HAPPY we dumped Mackowiak and his 3.5 million salary for next year.

With Richar filling in for Iguchi and Sweeney or Anderson or whatever filling the (small) shoes of Mackowiak thats 5 or 6 million more we can throw at Fukadome or someone else.

ND_Sox_Fan
07-31-2007, 03:27 PM
With Richar filling in for Iguchi and Sweeney or Anderson or whatever filling the (small) shoes of Mackowiak thats 5 or 6 million more we can throw at Fukadome or someone else.

I agree - another good trade for KW. Let's give the young guys an opportunity THIS YEAR to fill in for these underperforming / overused players who are really just subs or below-average starters.

The young guys can't be any worse and might actually learn or develop during what will otherwise be a waste of 2 months of baseball.

Bear-Sox
07-31-2007, 03:29 PM
Idiot.
Seriously thats all your 2 posts deserves is that 1 word
idiot describes me, huh. I guess jackass describes you.

I have been a White Sox fan my whole life, and giving away Mackowiak for a 23 year old A ball relief pitcher who isn't even exactly dominating is plane silly. From Damaso Marte to John Link. That is just plain bad.

Hell, I don't care if we traded Rob Mackowiak and his salary. But I would expect something better then some A ball pitcher who will be lucky to see the Majors by the time he is 27 if at all. And if not, then keep him.

Bear-Sox
07-31-2007, 03:32 PM
Oh yeah, to make this all better, Erstad gets activated today. Who's ready to see the dynamic grinder duo at the top of the order today?

102605
07-31-2007, 03:40 PM
I have been a White Sox fan my whole life, and giving away Mackowiak for a 23 year old A ball relief pitcher who isn't even exactly dominating is plane silly. From Damaso Marte to John Link. That is just plain bad.

Hell, I don't care if we traded Rob Mackowiak and his salary. But I would expect something better then some A ball pitcher who will be lucky to see the Majors by the time he is 27 if at all. And if not, then keep him.

You have to look at the salary implications and only that. Mack could be replaced for the league minimum salary. He is also taking up a roster spot that needs to be used to find his replacement internally before 2008. His $3,500,000 salary would be better used to keep Dye, sign Fukedome, sign a SS, and sign a starting CF/RF/LF. Anything.

Heck, I would have been happy with a used fungo bat.

On another note, I've been on board with the Padres this season hoping the city can win its 1st championship. For some reason I had my mind on them getting Iguchi or Dye or one of the other White Sox players rumored to be moving. Instead they get Mackowiak. :tongue:

soxrme
07-31-2007, 03:58 PM
we give away Mackowiak for a 23 year old pitcher in A ball. I think it is obvious we will be in for a long 3-5 years as KW will be getting rid of salary and get what he and his awesome team of scouts think to be good prospects.
You are correct! A salary dump at best for a good utility guy, but we keep Uribe, Cintron and the ever popular Galvin Flood also scouted by the ateam

Tragg
07-31-2007, 04:04 PM
You are correct! A salary dump at best for a good utility guy, but we keep Uribe, Cintron and the ever popular Galvin Flood also scouted by the ateam
I am sure if we had offers for Uribe or Cintron, we would have sent them packing. No team is moronic enough to trade for Cintron and his $1.9 million salary.

I'm disappointed that Williams couldn't work a favorable deal for Dye.

oeo
07-31-2007, 04:07 PM
I'm disappointed that Williams couldn't work a favorable deal for Dye.

What did you want him to do? He tried getting a good reliever from Boston (the only team in serious discussions), but they just wanted to give us their crap.

soxfan1983
07-31-2007, 04:09 PM
" "I'm extremely disappointed," Mackowiak said before the White Sox played the Yankees in New York. "It hurts to go from the team you grew up watching and idolized as a kid." Mackowiak, who has played left field, right field, first base and third base this season, said he expects to be a utilityman with San Diego. He knows a few players on the Padres and "they told me to take all (of my) gloves," he said. "



http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-padrestrades&prov=ap&type=lgns






After reading that I feel really bad for him. I hope the best for him!

Scottiehaswheels
07-31-2007, 04:29 PM
I wonder if this trade has anything to do with his comments last week regarding the bullpen?

Patrick134
07-31-2007, 04:32 PM
I wonder if this trade has anything to do with his comments last week regarding the bullpen?


I doubt any comments he made would make the Padres want him that bad.

The Immigrant
07-31-2007, 04:33 PM
I wonder if this trade has anything to do with his comments last week regarding the bullpen?

Nah, everyone has been pissing on the bullpen lately. It just makes little sense to pay $3.5 million to a utility player.

santo=dorf
07-31-2007, 04:51 PM
Riiiight, "getting rid of salary" is why Buehrle is getting a $5 million raise next year.
Getting rid of Mack makes up for less than 10% of that. KW still has a lot of work to do.

Mack was on a tear too. 1.132 OPS in July

102605
07-31-2007, 05:01 PM
Getting rid of Mack makes up for less than 10% of that. KW still has a lot of work to do.

Mack was on a tear too. 1.132 OPS in July


Actually Mack was due 3.5 million in 2008. Thats actually 70% of that.

santo=dorf
07-31-2007, 07:05 PM
Actually Mack was due 3.5 million in 2008. Thats actually 70% of that.
Get your facts straight, it wasn't guaranteed money.
It was a team option for $3.25 million with a buyout of 300k.

JB98
07-31-2007, 07:28 PM
" "I'm extremely disappointed," Mackowiak said before the White Sox played the Yankees in New York. "It hurts to go from the team you grew up watching and idolized as a kid." Mackowiak, who has played left field, right field, first base and third base this season, said he expects to be a utilityman with San Diego. He knows a few players on the Padres and "they told me to take all (of my) gloves," he said. "



http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-padrestrades&prov=ap&type=lgns






After reading that I feel really bad for him. I hope the best for him!

Well, one good thing. Both Iguchi and Mackowiak expressed disappointment and/or surprise about leaving the Sox. At least they liked playing here. We've had so many players grouse about the organization on the way out the door in the past.

Good luck to Rob. I enjoyed having him on the Sox.

Tragg
07-31-2007, 08:42 PM
What did you want him to do? He tried getting a good reliever from Boston (the only team in serious discussions), but they just wanted to give us their crap.

I wanted him to get us a favorable deal for Dye, like I said in my post. He was playing the salesman part this time... Dye was the best rental hitter available, and there was no sale. I'm not blaming him or calling for him to be fired...maybe it was the market (as always whenever we sell), I don't know; I'm just disappointed that it didn't happen.

I will also point out that when some of us wondered why he gave Iguchi away, we were told,but that the real players will come from Dye.....Well? Am I supposed to congratulate him because he didn't give Dye away?

This team is terrible and I thought we might see some improvement...we didn't.

Grzegorz
07-31-2007, 08:50 PM
Well, one good thing. Both Iguchi and Mackowiak expressed disappointment and/or surprise about leaving the Sox. At least they liked playing here. We've had so many players grouse about the organization on the way out the door in the past.

Good luck to Rob. I enjoyed having him on the Sox.

So did I; I'll miss the guy. He was definitely under appreciated.

Best of luck Rob...

Frater Perdurabo
07-31-2007, 08:51 PM
:tomatoaward:

kittle42
07-31-2007, 11:48 PM
This thread is another joke. Three weeks ago, you all wanted Mackowiak's head on a silver platter, and Ozzie's for playing him. GMAB.

He's a utility player and that's all.


"Oh, I can't believe we only got a single-A reliever for Mack! KW sucks!"

Whatever.

JB98
07-31-2007, 11:57 PM
This thread is another joke. Three weeks ago, you all wanted Mackowiak's head on a silver platter, and Ozzie's for playing him. GMAB.

He's a utility player and that's all.


"Oh, I can't believe we only got a single-A reliever for Mack! KW sucks!"

Whatever.

Hey, I've always liked Mack! I've defended him a lot here!

But I'm not upset at KW for moving him. Mack makes more than he's worth. He was blocking younger players, and he probably isn't in the plans for 2008.

Nellie_Fox
08-01-2007, 12:04 AM
I wanted him to get us a favorable deal for Dye, like I said in my post. He was playing the salesman part this time... Dye was the best rental hitter available, and there was no sale. I'm not blaming him or calling for him to be fired...maybe it was the market (as always whenever we sell), I don't know; I'm just disappointed that it didn't happen.

I will also point out that when some of us wondered why he gave Iguchi away, we were told,but that the real players will come from Dye.....Well? Am I supposed to congratulate him because he didn't give Dye away?

This team is terrible and I thought we might see some improvement...we didn't.Do you guys all think that the non-waiver trade deadline is the be-all and end-all for next season?

There will be waiver deals made. There will be off-season trades made. There will be free-agent acquisitions made. The Sox will be part of the action. How much, and how big, remains to be seen, but it didn't have to be done by today.

DeadMoney
08-01-2007, 12:10 AM
Get your facts straight, it wasn't guaranteed money.
It was a team option for $3.25 million with a buyout of 300k.

Don't forget about the money they are saving from the 2007 season without Mack in that figuring.

The Sox then dodged paying about $965,000 (2.75 million owed in 2007...getting out of 57/162 (~35%) of that, which is $965,000) + $300,000 buyout =$1.265 mil (about 25% of Buehrle's additional money)

If they didn't plan on taking the buyout they would've owed him $3.25 mil in 2008 + the extra $965k from 2007 = $4.215 mil (almost 85% of Buehrle's additional money)

Include to those the ~$1 mil the Sox saved not paying Iguchi for the final 60-or-so games of the season and you have about 45% of Buehrle's money taken care of (with buyout figured) or almost 105% of Buehrle's money taken care of (with option figured).

Of course, if you look at the buyout as saving money for Uribe's $300k buyout, then it's a wash. No way in hell I see us paying $5 mil for a crappy SS next season. But then you can also look at losing Uribe's $3.85 ($4.15 in '07 - $300k buyout), and Pods $2.9 mil as covering Buehrle's dollars.

There are certainly many different ways to look at it, and if Mack's option was going to be bought out for '08, then the Sox made out in this deal (I could care less who they got in return).

Grzegorz
08-01-2007, 04:57 AM
There will be waiver deals made. There will be off-season trades made. There will be free-agent acquisitions made. The Sox will be part of the action. How much, and how big, remains to be seen, but it didn't have to be done by today.

Thank you; this is just "round one". The war is not lost because the Chicago White Sox did not pull off a major deal at the non-waiver trade deadline.

I believe in KW; he kept linchpin of the team, the core starting pitching, together.

I believe he'll right the ship for 2008.

bradboy70
08-01-2007, 06:32 AM
ill miss mack. he graduated from the same HS i did... i thought he was a pretty decent back up. he was having an avg. of about 270 something. just doesn't make any sense to me... KW has been f'king up since he dealt with Thomas so poorly. That really made me lose respect for him (apparently he wanted mackowiak for years and all of a sudden he is gone) I think KW is pretty brutal and should be replaced.

Lip Man 1
08-01-2007, 12:23 PM
based on Kenny's comments today about the move being made because of the number of left handed hitters, you wonder if that's a sign Erstad will be returning next season (as a 4th outfielder?)

I'm sorry to see Mac go, he was put in a bad position. Remember when he was acquired the comments from the organization were that he'd be a backup in the corner outfield spots and at 3rd base.

I never saw him being used a lot in those locations did you?

Lip

oeo
08-01-2007, 12:26 PM
based on Kenny's comments today about the move being made because of the number of left handed hitters, you wonder if that's a sign Erstad will be returning next season (as a 4th outfielder?)

I'm sorry to see Mac go, he was put in a bad position. Remember when he was acquired the comments from the organization were that he'd be a backup in the corner outfield spots and at 3rd base.

I never saw him being used a lot in those locations did you?

Lip

This is typical of you, Lip. I'm sorry, but what is with your need to try and start controversy?

He played mostly the corners in the outfield in the time that he was here. Last year he was put into a bad situation, but this year he's only played the corners of the outfield, and a spot start here and there at third or first.

And I have no idea how Kenny's comments are basis for Erstad coming back...where are you pulling that from? Erstad won't come cheap with that option for next year, I doubt he's back.

It seems to me that Kenny is going to try to spend money in the 'right places' like you want him to. We have bench players in Andy Gonzalez, Jason Bourgeios, possibly Luis Terrero...if we can sign Uribe on the cheap, maybe him too (as a defensive replacement). I think he's going to dump the bench, and go on the cheap there, and try spending some money on bullpen help.

Lip Man 1
08-01-2007, 12:44 PM
Oeo:

Not trying to start any controversy.

I'm saying what Kenny and Ozzie were directly quoted as saying when he was acquired.

There was nothing in their comments about him playing center field...and how many games total did we see him at 3rd base and in right field?

Yes I know he played in left this year due to the injuries but I'm talking overall.

The guy seemed to give a damn about playing with the Sox and I appreciated that very much. Due to circumstances beyond his control he was put in a difficult situation...center field (which he admitted in a newspaper story that he didn't prepare to play there because he felt he wasn't going to be used there.)

When he was put out there he appeared to me to do the best that he could, he simply couldn't do the job there, but again that was not totally his fault.

That's all I'm saying...if that's controversial in your mind so be it.

Regarding Erstad, that's simply my opinion...like anyone else who posts things here, just like you, for example since the last time I checked you don't work for the Sox, have a position in MLB, or in the media where you have access to those you do.

I checked on his positional break down for Mac and came up with these numbers:

2006: CF 63 games, LF 28 games, RF 21 games (which is more then I remembered), 3B 6 games, DH 2 games.

2007: 1B 5 games, 3B 1 game, OF 68 games (the Sox site doesn't break it down positionally...)

Lip

soxfan13
08-01-2007, 01:07 PM
Do you guys all think that the non-waiver trade deadline is the be-all and end-all for next season?

There will be waiver deals made. There will be off-season trades made. There will be free-agent acquisitions made. The Sox will be part of the action. How much, and how big, remains to be seen, but it didn't have to be done by today.

Completely agree with you, except that you make it sound like waiver deals are the easiest thing to do. There is a reason the majority of trades are made before this deadline. Because it is very difficult to get a guy through waivers to make a trade.:gulp:

Tragg
08-01-2007, 02:54 PM
It seems to me that Kenny is going to try to spend money in the 'right places' like you want him to. We have bench players in Andy Gonzalez, Jason Bourgeios, possibly Luis Terrero...if we can sign Uribe on the cheap, maybe him too (as a defensive replacement). I think he's going to dump the bench, and go on the cheap there, and try spending some money on bullpen help.
I hope he spends the money on lineup help, including a bench bat. We have talent in-house to put in the bullpen, and spending money on a new version of Riske, Aardsma and MacDougal is a failed policy.

The Sox have one of the top starting staffs in the AL, and one of the bottom 3 teams in the AL. This lineup wasn't good had it suffered no injuries; major improvements are needed, including some players from the outside. The few quality hitters are in their 30s and getting older. As for Erstad, well he did call him up first thing, right after the deadline. To deal him? No market for Dye, but maybe there's a market for Erstad.

We can't go another year with nothing but utility players on the bench, with Cintron or his clone being the top PH and backup DH. So hopefully the Sox will have 4 good outfielders, one of whom can play backup DH and outfield and PH.

We may have to give Dye a raise, and we may have to pay Contreras 10mill not to pitch....so we may have a really tight budget.

Nellie_Fox
08-01-2007, 03:03 PM
Completely agree with you, except that you make it sound like waiver deals are the easiest thing to do. There is a reason the majority of trades are made before this deadline. Because it is very difficult to get a guy through waivers to make a trade.Where did I say anything that makes it sound easy? All I said was that waiver deals will be made, and they will. Some players will clear waivers, and deals will be made. It happens every year. Remember, it's somewhat risky to put in a waiver claim just to block a trade, because the other team can just say "okay, he's yours; him and his salary" and you have to take him.

For instance, you know Contreras will clear waivers; who would want to take him and his ten-million salary? I'm not saying anyone wants to trade for him, either, but at least in a trade you can try to get the Sox to eat some of that salary, while on a waiver claim you can't.

Tragg
08-01-2007, 03:13 PM
For instance, you know Contreras will clear waivers; who would want to take him and his ten-million salary? I'm not saying anyone wants to trade for him, either, but at least in a trade you can try to get the Sox to eat some of that salary, while on a waiver claim you can't.
Contreras can be traded after the deadline, no question. So can Erstad, Pods, Cintron, Bukvich and the rest of them. The thing is, if no one wanted them before the deadline, why would they after the deadline? And they aren't going to bring anything anyway. If Iguchi and Mack didn't bring anything, Pods and ERstad certainly won't.

Contreras - sure, he's been awful, so with a few decent outings, maybe someone will want him. But that's if the Sox will pay some salary (hmmmm).

And our trading pieces - really piece - Dye won't clear waivers because he's so cheap anyway.

So while something interesting could happen, I'd say it's unlikely and contreras dependent.