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Viva Medias B's
07-25-2007, 09:31 PM
Bad. Think this is TLR's last year there?

The Racehorse
07-25-2007, 11:31 PM
Bad. Think this is TLR's last year there?

I heard that Walt Jocketty is not coming back next year, and he's tight with TLR, so it wouldn't suprise me is if Tony follows Jocketty after this season.

JB98
07-25-2007, 11:37 PM
The Cardinals' starting rotation sure went to **** quickly.

AJ Hellraiser
07-25-2007, 11:49 PM
It was never that good...

letsgosox1592
07-25-2007, 11:50 PM
It was never that good...
Doesn't help when Chris Carpenter is done for the year.

JB98
07-26-2007, 12:29 AM
It was never that good...

Carpenter, Weaver and Suppan all got hot at the right time last fall.

None of those three are present in the Cardinals rotation any longer. Instead, they have Kip Wells and Braden Looper.

No wonder they suck.

Foulke You
07-26-2007, 01:41 PM
In addition to the woeful pitching situation, their everyday lineup is terrible too. Cards fans have to feel betrayed by their ownership. They managed to win a World Series with a team that wasn't all that good last year. You'd think with all that extra playoff revenue and luxury suite revenue from the new park, ownership would have spent a little more on the team. Instead, they went the cheap route hoping the NL Central would be bad enough again for them to squeak into the playoffs. The Brewers and Cubs got better while the Cards got worse and now they are paying the price.

spiffie
07-26-2007, 01:45 PM
In addition to the woeful pitching situation, their everyday lineup is terrible too. Cards fans have to feel betrayed by their ownership. They managed to win a World Series with a team that wasn't all that good last year. You'd think with all that extra playoff revenue and luxury suite revenue from the new park, ownership would have spent a little more on the team. Instead, they went the cheap route hoping the NL Central would be bad enough again for them to squeak into the playoffs. The Brewers and Cubs got better while the Cards got worse and now they are paying the price.
Their payroll is over $90 million this year. I find it hard to see how that is going cheap.

palehozenychicty
07-26-2007, 01:45 PM
In addition to the woeful pitching situation, their everyday lineup is terrible too. Cards fans have to feel betrayed by their ownership. They managed to win a World Series with a team that wasn't all that good last year. You'd think with all that extra playoff revenue and luxury suite revenue from the new park, ownership would have spent a little more on the team. Instead, they went the cheap route hoping the NL Central would be bad enough again for them to squeak into the playoffs. The Brewers and Cubs got better while the Cards got worse and now they are paying the price.

They've been doing that for years and it finally bit them in the butt this year. Now they have to get a real team around Pujols. Too bad for them..

Foulke You
07-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Their payroll is over $90 million this year. I find it hard to see how that is going cheap.
It's how they spent the money as well as how much. They could have gone after top tier free agent pitchers like Lilly or Meche but instead settled for the less expensive Kip Wells. They could have shored up their outfield situation with a Carlos Lee or Matthews Jr. but instead have stuck with guys like So Taguchi. A little bit more money would have made them a better team. Their payroll amount remained essentially unchanged after the World Series win and new ballpark. As a fan, I'd have been pretty upset if Reinsdorf didn't raise the payroll after the '05 World Series.

Bobby Thigpen
07-26-2007, 01:55 PM
Instead, they have Kip Wells and Braden Looper.

No wonder they suck.
Nonsense. Kip Wells will be a great pitcher someday. Trading him will come back to haunt the Sox. Just you wait and see.

South Side Irish
07-26-2007, 06:28 PM
Their payroll is over $90 million this year. I find it hard to see how that is going cheap.

The Cardinals have:
- Participated in 2 of the previous 3 World Series, winning one.
- Participated in the playoffs 7 of the last 8 years.
- Built a new stadium, with the chief reasoning being new revenue = more $$ for contracts.
- Kept attendance at 3 million +

The Cards problem has been the bad "luck" of Mulder and Carp's injuries. I think around $18 mil wrapped up right there. Plus, Izzy makes about $8 mil, Edmonds is around that, and Rolen makes $10. Right there, you have one start, about 20 HR's, 75 RBI's, a .260 average and an average closer for a team that never even wins for around $44 mil. Those contracts have killed them, with only 2 really being justifiable.

The Cards owners have really screwed the fans. Even last year, we were pissed about the lack of action, and we really did get hot at the right time. Weaver was a great addition coming to the weaker NL, and the health of Edmonds, Speez, Belliard, Rolen, Molina, Wilson and a couple others came back at the right time. It really was good timing, but the team the Cardinals fielded in the playoffs was MUCH better than what they did for much of May - August.

So the Cards owners didn't even do it last year. This is now 3 consecutive years of relative penny-pinching, and it's obnoxious considering the revenue coming in and the money being spent on rivals to the north and to the south. The anger isn't at the total being spent, its at the way it's spent, and the lack of doing any spending for 3 YEARS!!!!

South Side Irish
07-26-2007, 06:30 PM
It was never that good...

The Cardinals pitching has been very good for the better part of the last 3 years, and acceptable for the last 7. The Cardinals took serious hits with the losses of Mulder and Carpenter, as well as Reyes' mind, ****ing with Wainwright, and seeing Soup bolt up north. Never dominant, but they've been quite good lately. Obviously, they're pretty terrible this year.