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Fenway
07-09-2007, 10:09 AM
I was in Detroit all weekend and some of the cosmetic changes to Comerica came out well.

Biggest improvement was the out of town scoreboard and they have also installed a color ribbon display board similar to the Cell.

Yesterday was brutal to work in the heat and in fact the game was delayed in the 9th inning when a cameraman collapsed because of the heat.

We stayed in Windsor and it is just stunning to me how different 2 cities one mile apart can be.

Meanwhile the Tiger Stadium situation drones on...

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070709/METRO/707090335/1129/SPORTS0104

ChiWavDave
07-09-2007, 10:17 AM
Fenway, not to hijack the thread, but can you tell me a little about Windsor? i travel to detroit a couple of times a month from Chicago for biz, and have thought on a couple of occasions about staying over there, but never really had the "guts" to cross the bridge. I guess I'm just too comfortable inside my biz travel bubble. What about the identification requirements (need a passport? ) etc..

Thanks

dave

Fenway
07-09-2007, 10:23 AM
Fenway, not to hijack the thread, but can you tell me a little about Windsor? i travel to detroit a couple of times a month from Chicago for biz, and have thought on a couple of occasions about staying over there, but never really had the "guts" to cross the bridge. I guess I'm just too comfortable inside my biz travel bubble. What about the identification requirements (need a passport? ) etc..

Thanks

dave

while you don't need a passport YET it helps....otherwise have at least your birth certificate.

Downtown Windsor is as vibrant as downtown Detroit a ghost town. It has nice casinos and lots of pubs. They have an active adult district as well.

eriqjaffe
07-09-2007, 11:19 AM
they have also installed a color ribbon display board similar to the Cell....and they're putting it to good use!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/jnshmoo/Tigers001.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Fenway
07-09-2007, 11:35 AM
...and they're putting it to good use!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/jnshmoo/Tigers001.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I am actually shocked the Red Sox haven't installed one of these, the Yankees did last year.

The 2 main companies that do it are

http://www.diamond-vision.com/products.asp (White Sox vendor)

and http://www.daktronics.com









Fenway has more ads now than a NASCAR vehicle :angry:
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/al/fenway908.JPG

Oblong
07-09-2007, 12:39 PM
I hate the ribbon thing. It's only used for ads and at night when it's on it distracts when watching the hitter. My seats are in the second row in the upper deck, actually just to the left of where that picture cuts off. As you are looking down at the plate the ribbon can act like a magnet.

Windsor is cool but the problem for locals is that the drinking age there is 19 so the bars downtown are pretty much filled with 19-20 year old Americans. 21 and over Windsor-ites come over to the States so that they don't have to deal with the kids.

Fenway
07-09-2007, 01:05 PM
Windsor is cool but the problem for locals is that the drinking age there is 19 so the bars downtown are pretty much filled with 19-20 year old Americans. 21 and over Windsor-ites come over to the States so that they don't have to deal with the kids.

Nothing is worse than Montreal on weekends where the drinking age is 18. Party buses flock up there from New York and New England.

Oblong
07-09-2007, 01:36 PM
Fenway, were you at the game on Friday? I should have had you put me on so that my buddy in Boston could see me.

Fenway
07-09-2007, 02:21 PM
Fenway, were you at the game on Friday? I should have had you put me on so that my buddy in Boston could see me.

Get ya next year :smile:

The game Saturday night was a classic. Second largest crowd in history of the park, a 13th inning nailbiter...

My bigest complaint with the park is the seats seems too far away.

skobabe8
07-09-2007, 11:37 PM
I was in Detroit all weekend and some of the cosmetic changes to Comerica came out well.

Biggest improvement was the out of town scoreboard and they have also installed a color ribbon display board similar to the Cell.

Yesterday was brutal to work in the heat and in fact the game was delayed in the 9th inning when a cameraman collapsed because of the heat.

We stayed in Windsor and it is just stunning to me how different 2 cities one mile apart can be.

Meanwhile the Tiger Stadium situation drones on...

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070709/METRO/707090335/1129/SPORTS0104

Whats different about the out of town board?

I remember being excited when they installed the ribbon boards at the cell because I actually thought they would show important game info. HA!

chisoxfanatic
07-10-2007, 02:12 AM
Meanwhile the Tiger Stadium situation drones on...

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070709/METRO/707090335/1129/SPORTS0104

I thought Tiger Stadium was scheduled to come down three months ago! Is the September 2008 finally a FINAL deadline for it to come down, or might the place never come down?

I heard that the place is majorly rat infested. Hope they find a way to control the rats if/when they do finally tear the place down.

WhiteSox5187
07-10-2007, 02:33 AM
I thought Tiger Stadium was scheduled to come down three months ago! Is the September 2008 finally a FINAL deadline for it to come down, or might the place never come down?

I heard that the place is majorly rat infested. Hope they find a way to control the rats if/when they do finally tear the place down.
I don't know about rats but I do know that as of right now if something were to happen to Comerica Park, the Tigers would just moves games over to Tiger Stadium. The field is ready to be used within a twelve hour notice. There is a guy over at the Tigers who goes over to the park and mows the lawn and keeps the field in relatively good shape. Wouldn't be shocked though if there were rats there. I'd love to see the place before it's torn down, may have to reconsider it though if there are rats there....

Nellie_Fox
07-10-2007, 02:50 AM
There are rats in any major urban building, particularly if there is any quantity of food there.

You'd be surprised at the number of rats I'd see scurrying around the alleys of downtown Naperville when I was patrolling on the midnight shift.

Oblong
07-10-2007, 09:11 AM
Whats different about the out of town board?



Before it was a static scoreboard, it'd have alternating "radio buttons" for American League or National League, and then it'd fill in the games and scores in the boxes. Now they've just put up a a big plasma or whatever they are called so that you can put anything up there. I don't like it because of the angle of my seats. The older board was easier for me to read. But that's just me.


I don't know about rats but I do know that as of right now if something were to happen to Comerica Park, the Tigers would just moves games over to Tiger Stadium. The field is ready to be used within a twelve hour notice. There is a guy over at the Tigers who goes over to the park and mows the lawn and keeps the field in relatively good shape. Wouldn't be shocked though if there were rats there. I'd love to see the place before it's torn down, may have to reconsider it though if there are rats there....

Actually the structure is considered unsafe. They don't let anybody go in there because of the liability. WHen the Super Bowl was here they had a big party there but you could only walk through one portion of the stadium to get straight on the field. They wouldn't allow anyone to go near the fences or seats. The place is rotting. There's trees actually growing through the concrete.

I thought Tiger Stadium was scheduled to come down three months ago! Is the September 2008 finally a FINAL deadline for it to come down, or might the place never come down?

They just had a meeting yesterday on this. The mayor wants to knock it down but the city council, and certain community groups, are resisting that because there's no concrete plan in place on what to do with it. I think they need to knock it down. There's a decent neighbhorhood right across the street and Tiger Stadium is holding back any further progress. The city needs all the residents it can get. But this is the City of Detroit we're talking about. They have a unique talent to mess anything up. I wouldn't be surprised if Tiger Stadium is still up 10 years from now.

Fenway
07-10-2007, 09:14 AM
What on earth are they going to do with the old Michigan Central train station near Tiger Stadium?

Oblong
07-10-2007, 09:40 AM
There was a grand plan to turn it into the Police Headquarters but the city can't afford to pick up garbage so that was scrapped.

It's sad, pathetic, and embarassing. That was one of the finest buildings in the country and they just let it sit there and get raped. Everything that was beautiful in there has been taken away. Now it's just a bunch of walls. It's a tragedy.

Fenway
07-10-2007, 09:46 AM
There was a grand plan to turn it into the Police Headquarters but the city can't afford to pick up garbage so that was scrapped.

It's sad, pathetic, and embarassing. That was one of the finest buildings in the country and they just let it sit there and get raped. Everything that was beautiful in there has been taken away. Now it's just a bunch of walls. It's a tragedy.

You can see how grand Detroit was 50 years ago it is just so depressing to be downtown.

I can remember years ago I shopped at the old Hudsons and it rivaled Macy's in Manhattan for splendor. I *think* Ford Field is there now.

What spooks me about Tiger Stadium is that all these years later nobody has stolen the signs over tghe shuttered gates. At first glance it looks like the Stadium is just waiting for the team to come home from a roadtrip.

Cleveland used to be just as depressing but it has come back the past 20 years. I can think of only Buffalo as a city that rivals the decline of Detroit.

Oblong
07-10-2007, 10:48 AM
Ford Field sits where the Hudson's wharehouse used to be. When Comerica opened up they cleaned up the building and were planning on incorporating the structure into Ford Field but there must have been some issues because one day it was just gone.

The old Hudson's department store is now Compuware's headquarters. You can see it from Comerica Park. It's a nice new shiny silver building beyond the RF corner.

Fenway
07-10-2007, 10:56 AM
Ford Field sits where the Hudson's wharehouse used to be. When Comerica opened up they cleaned up the building and were planning on incorporating the structure into Ford Field but there must have been some issues because one day it was just gone.

The old Hudson's department store is now Compuware's headquarters. You can see it from Comerica Park. It's a nice new shiny silver building beyond the RF corner.

I was impressed with the Compuware Building.

I have never seen a metro area where extreme wealth and poverty sit side by side...Grosse Point Park rivals Greenwich, Ct

I_Liked_Manuel
07-10-2007, 11:12 AM
There was a grand plan to turn it into the Police Headquarters but the city can't afford to pick up garbage so that was scrapped.

It's sad, pathetic, and embarassing. That was one of the finest buildings in the country and they just let it sit there and get raped. Everything that was beautiful in there has been taken away. Now it's just a bunch of walls. It's a tragedy.

one of the finest buildings in the country? lol. now it's just a bunch of walls? i don't think too much has changed, in regards to what was there, since the day it closed.

tiger stadium is standing in the way of corktown's progress- i can't think of any other city in America that has built a new stadium that let the old one sit there and rot- so just get rid of it.

there have been a LOT of plans for tiger stadium, but when it's came time to put up some money to get them started, developers have disappeared.

Oblong
07-10-2007, 12:10 PM
one of the finest buildings in the country? lol. now it's just a bunch of walls? i don't think too much has changed, in regards to what was there, since the day it closed.



I was referring to the train depot, not Tiger Stadium.

I_Liked_Manuel
07-10-2007, 12:21 PM
I was referring to the train depot, not Tiger Stadium.

sorry, i missed that post

it's sad what's happened to that structure, but i've heard/read that it was built so well that it can't be torn down for a reasonable price

chisoxfanatic
07-10-2007, 03:43 PM
Cleveland used to be just as depressing but it has come back the past 20 years. I can think of only Buffalo as a city that rivals the decline of Detroit.

I've been to Buffalo a couple of times and don't think that even it appears nearly as bad as what I've seen and heard about Detroit. It just blows my mind that Detroit has lost 50% of their population in the last 40 years, and are still losing on average 10,000 per YEAR! Pretty soon, cities like Kansas City and Indianapolis will be bigger than Detroit in population! When'll the decline end?

You know a city has problems when its suburbs are the shining point of its metropolitan area. How backward that is!

Fenway
07-10-2007, 03:49 PM
I've been to Buffalo a couple of times and don't think that even it appears nearly as bad as what I've seen and heard about Detroit. It just blows my mind that Detroit has lost 50% of their population in the last 40 years, and are still losing on average 10,000 per YEAR! Pretty soon, cities like Kansas City and Indianapolis will be bigger than Detroit in population! When'll the decline end?

You know a city has problems when its suburbs are the shining point of its metropolitan area. How backward that is!

Buffalo has lost 50% of the metro population in 30 years. It is now smaller than Providence.

chisoxfanatic
07-10-2007, 03:49 PM
Buffalo has lost 50% of the metro population in 30 years. It is now smaller than Providence.

:o:

Fenway
07-10-2007, 03:54 PM
:o:

Providence–New Bedford–Fall River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence_metropolitan_area)
1,612,989

Buffalo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo%2C_New_York)–Niagara Falls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls%2C_New_York)
1,137,520


Providence is now bigger than Milwaukee :o:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_areas