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Frater Perdurabo
07-08-2007, 06:24 PM
Yes, yes, KW is the ninja-rific, under the radar chess grandmaster. :D:

So what's his next move?

Don't post wild, pie in the sky ideas of what you WANT him to do.

Rather, predict what you THINK will be the very next move.

If the move you think will happen is not in the poll, choose "Other" and post your prediction of the next move.

letsgosox1592
07-08-2007, 06:25 PM
sox trade jose contrearas to the new york mets for lastings milledge and a high A player

Daver
07-08-2007, 06:25 PM
The Sox will take the next three days off.

doublem23
07-08-2007, 06:26 PM
Kidnaps Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, and Aaron Rowand and hypnotizes them into believing they all still play for the Sox.

...
07-08-2007, 06:26 PM
Contreras and Dye will be traded...

chisoxmike
07-08-2007, 06:26 PM
sox trade jose contrearas to the new york mets for lastings milledge and a high A player

In theory, that's a Jim Hendry robbery.

Boondock Saint
07-08-2007, 06:27 PM
Jose will go if a team gives up enough for him, considering his age. If not, Javy goes for whatever we can get. Selling high.

getonbckthr
07-08-2007, 06:28 PM
Contreras, Dye and Iguchi for Billingsley and Kemp?

getonbckthr
07-08-2007, 06:29 PM
Jose will go if a team gives up enough for him, considering his age. If not, Javy goes for whatever we can get. Selling high.
I'm pretty sure Jose is gone its just a matter what we will get for him. A bag of balls and Javy is better for the Sox than Jose and 3 prospects.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-08-2007, 06:39 PM
Jose is traded over the break (they did say Floyd would remain with the team after the break). Dye will be traded after that, but more near the deadline.

sox1970
07-08-2007, 06:40 PM
I'd love it if Contreras is traded, but what team is going to want a guy that has gone 9-19 over his last 32 starts? If he's traded, the Sox won't get anything, plus they'll probably have to pick up a portion of the cash.

sox1970
07-08-2007, 06:43 PM
My guess is Dye is gone by the end of the week.

Chez
07-08-2007, 06:45 PM
I think JD gets traded to either the Padres or Dodgers.

whitesoxfan
07-08-2007, 06:45 PM
I think Contreras will be gone this week and Dye shortly after that.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Joe Cowley will ask Jon Garland how much he is underpaid.

ShoelessJoeS
07-08-2007, 06:56 PM
Hopefully he trades Contreras and his overpaid/underachieving ass.

eastchicagosoxfan
07-08-2007, 07:10 PM
Contreras will be put on the DL. He will rehab in a rookie game, and perform well enough. Someone will trade for him.

Dye will end up in san Diego. Short of the Sox getting Jake Peavy, detractors will say that KW was fleeced.

cws05champ
07-08-2007, 07:48 PM
Phil rogers will call the Sox signing of Buehrle "dispicable", for 1) driving up the market of players salaries even further & 2) showing disrespect for Dye after he single handedly brought a title to the South side and refusing to negotiate with him as they did with Buehrle.

soxfanreggie
07-08-2007, 07:53 PM
I think Contreras will go first with Dye soon after.

nccwsfan
07-08-2007, 08:37 PM
Now that Mr. Buehrle's been taken care of.....prediction time:

Dye- will be traded sometime around July 30th/31st.

Contreras- uncertain. If a team is desperate for starting pitching by the end of the month he could go, but right now I can envision him sticking around for the rest of 2007.

Iguchi- will stay with the team in 2007 and test FA. My gut tells me that the CWS will try hard to re-sign him.

Garland- will be traded by July 31, 2008.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-08-2007, 08:40 PM
Contreras and Dye would seem the most likely to go to me, but the problem is that both are underachieving.

viagracat
07-08-2007, 09:08 PM
Contreras will be a hard sell.

My hunch will be Gooch, especially since he's been playing better lately and can bring some value in return.

Williams may be a little more hesitant to get rid of the World Series MVP from two years ago, but that's possible as well.

DumpJerry
07-08-2007, 09:13 PM
Why is giving Garland an extension a voting option and who selected it? Garland is signed through next year, neither side has any incentive to extend right now. Garland would want to see if his value increases this year and next, the Sox want to see if it goes down or he gets injured.

I don't see Garland, Javy or Danks getting traded anytime this decade.

palehozenychicty
07-08-2007, 09:38 PM
Iguchi gets traded (to where though?), then Dye goes to the Dodgers or Padres.

October26
07-08-2007, 09:44 PM
Jose will go to the Mets and join his old friend, Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez. Hopefully Kenny and Omar (Minaya) were talking about this very trade at the Minor League All star game - they were seen sitting next to each other ...

DumpJerry
07-08-2007, 09:46 PM
Anderson and Contreras are goners.

The Dude
07-08-2007, 09:47 PM
If not, Javy goes for whatever we can get. Selling high.

No.

Bucky F. Dent
07-08-2007, 10:12 PM
Contreras gone, then Dye, each for as a rich a prospect package as we are able to get for them.

FarWestChicago
07-08-2007, 10:18 PM
Joe Cowley will ask Jon Garland how much he is underpaid.And there will be 6 500 post threads with WSI members raging about what *******s KW and JR are.

CaptainPaul
07-08-2007, 10:23 PM
Trade Contreras for Michael Barrett, then release Michael Barret in parking lot A dressed in Cubs attire.

Daver
07-08-2007, 10:30 PM
Trade Contreras for Michael Barrett, then release Michael Barret in parking lot A dressed in Cubs attire.

This accomplishes what, exactly?

Frater Perdurabo
07-08-2007, 10:33 PM
Why is giving Garland an extension a voting option and who selected it?

I didn't choose that option, but I created it as an option. I tried to come up with as many options as possible, ranging from the feasible to the unlikely to the ridiculous to the self-deprecating. It's not my fault someone chose it.
:tongue:

MushMouth
07-08-2007, 10:51 PM
I could see Contreras and Anderson in a package for a package of promising position players and maybe some immediate bullpen help.

rowand33
07-08-2007, 10:58 PM
Contreras has Mets written all over him.

he'll actually probably do a lot better in the NL.

vegyrex
07-08-2007, 11:00 PM
Whatever Kenny does, he'll be eating a churro while doing it. :D:

ode to veeck
07-08-2007, 11:05 PM
The Sox will take the next three days off.

... and then re-sign Garland before the end of the season to a new long term contract, not before WSIers start 150 rumor mills and dark cloud threads to the contrary

Ondafarm gets passed over and KW renews his confidence in Ozzie Ball

Joe Cowley will continue to piss all over himself and Sox management for the forseeable future while everyone will continue to ignore Windsock Jay Marriotti who remains an enigma, somehow still employed as a major sportsbabbler.

soxtalker
07-08-2007, 11:18 PM
I suspect that the likely next move will be Garland being traded. He's probably the most marketable of the starters. I know many fans seem to think that the Sox should/will re-sign him, but I think that's mostly wishful thinking. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the others dealt as well, though JC will be tough with his recent record.

EMel9281
07-08-2007, 11:37 PM
God do I love churros!

But, in seriousness, I think I go with the majority. Contreras first, then Dye. Hopefully Gooch will stay around for a little while longer, but it's bye-bye for #52 & #23.

103 screwball
07-08-2007, 11:58 PM
If you think you know what KW will do next, then you have fallen for his smoke and mirrors. I'll take a shot at it. Garland to LA for Kemp and Billingsley.

JB98
07-09-2007, 12:33 AM
A starting pitcher will be traded in an effort to rebuild our outfield.

You have to think Contreras is first in line. Do the Mets think El Duque can help Jose get back on track?

TFLEM33
07-09-2007, 01:21 AM
Contreras will be traded, although I don't think the Sox will pick up any of his salary as some have suggested. He has struggled of late, but considering the market right now, $10 million a year for a proven veteran starter is not a bad deal. I would take a marginal prospect for Jose right now. Number one, because I'd like to see what Gavin Floyd can do and number two, because I'd like to clear his salary so we can go after a couple guys in the offseason to fill some holes.

If we can get anything in return for Dye, he'll be gone also. Otherwise, we'll probably let him finish up the year and walk via free agency in the offseason.

Hopefully Gooch stays with the Sox. While not a star, he is a solid player and our farm system is considerably weak on middle infielders.

But who knows, we can all speculate, and it's fun to do so, but no one really knows. We all just hope that whatever moves are made ultimately benefit our Sox.

WhiteSox5187
07-09-2007, 01:33 AM
Jose is as good as gone...if Dye starts playing better soon, he will be gone too.

jabrch
07-09-2007, 01:41 AM
Alex Rodriguez to the Sox for prospects.

RockJock07
07-09-2007, 01:49 AM
I think Jose and Dye would be packaged to either the Mets or Dodgers. The Padres don't need another outfielder, they just picked up Milton Bradley. Kemp got hurt today, but either way I'd rather have Andre Either.

after much debate with myself, I want Gooch to stay. If KW could get rid of Uribe i'd be ok with that.

On a totally unrelated note, did you guys see the highlights of the Rockies/Phillies. The Phillies helped hold the tarp down that was flinging grounds crew guys all over the infield, it was nice to see guys like Rollins and Howard out there. Only one Rocky was out there.....LaTroy Hawkins

The Immigrant
07-09-2007, 08:39 AM
This isn't one of the poll options, but I expect that Mackowiak will be traded to a contender in need of a LH bat. He has hit really well lately and could bring a decent prospect in return. Plus, we don't have the luxury of spending $3MM+ on bench players anymore.

Domeshot17
07-09-2007, 09:27 AM
I think Jose and Dye would be packaged to either the Mets or Dodgers. The Padres don't need another outfielder, they just picked up Milton Bradley. Kemp got hurt today, but either way I'd rather have Andre Either.

after much debate with myself, I want Gooch to stay. If KW could get rid of Uribe i'd be ok with that.

On a totally unrelated note, did you guys see the highlights of the Rockies/Phillies. The Phillies helped hold the tarp down that was flinging grounds crew guys all over the infield, it was nice to see guys like Rollins and Howard out there. Only one Rocky was out there.....LaTroy Hawkins

I too am an Either fan, and I really hope your sig is wrong. I dont know if I can take an entire year of east coast pn with 2 championship teams

tick53
07-09-2007, 07:27 PM
Contreras. He Gone!!

WhiteSox5187
07-09-2007, 08:01 PM
This isn't one of the poll options, but I expect that Mackowiak will be traded to a contender in need of a LH bat. He has hit really well lately and could bring a decent prospect in return. Plus, we don't have the luxury of spending $3MM+ on bench players anymore.
OOooo, I didn't even think of that. Yea, truth be told Mack is much more likely to be gone before either Jose or JD.

Flight #24
07-09-2007, 11:53 PM
If Contreras won't bring back an impact guy, I wonder if the BloSox would do Contreras+Uribe for Lugo+Cash. Julio's having an absolutely horrible year in Boston, but his history in Tampa is pretty solid. He's overpaid, but if you get his deal down to $5-6M/year, he could be a nice guy to have leading off and playing either 2B or SS.

BoSox would get a SS with strong playoff experience, add an SP they'd control for another year, and get out from under some of that Lugo contract. Ala Renteria, could work out well for his next team.

Tragg
07-10-2007, 12:04 AM
If Contreras won't bring back an impact guy, I wonder if the BloSox would do Contreras+Uribe for Lugo+Cash. Julio's having an absolutely horrible year in Boston, but his history in Tampa is pretty solid. He's overpaid, but if you get his deal down to $5-6M/year, he could be a nice guy to have leading off and playing either 2B or SS.

Take another look at Lugo's offensive numbers...ONE complete season offensively (where you would consider him a 1 or 2 hitter) in his 8 seasons.

SOXfnNlansing
07-10-2007, 10:12 AM
I think one of the playoff teams on the bubble would love to have Contreras. Probably get a nice prospect for him too. Wouldn't want to see it happen though.

Flight #24
07-10-2007, 10:25 AM
Take another look at Lugo's offensive numbers...ONE complete season offensively (where you would consider him a 1 or 2 hitter) in his 8 seasons.

I'd be happy with any of his last 3 seasons, although you're right -probably not as a #1.
2004: .275BA / .338OBP
2005: .295BA / .362OBP
2006: .278BA / .341OBP (.308BA / .373OBP with TAM, .219BA / .278OBP with LAD)

Career, he's at .270BA / .334OBP. Last 3 years are .284BA / .348OBP / 8-10HR / 25-30SB. He's not ARod, but he's a solid offensive player at SS. You're right that he's probably not an ideal leadoff guy though. But a significant improvement offensively over Uribe.

Defensively, while stats don't tell that much, he's middle of the pack un FPCT, RF, ZR this year and generally has had a strong RF and a weaker FPCT. I haven't watched him much so I can't really comment beyond that. I see him as a guy who if you can get decent D at SS could be an improvement over Uribe (whose D has slipped and whose O is bad). Basd on how Boston treated Renteria, I'm also wondering if he could be had with cash for not too much. If teams are holding onto prospects, this could be an alternative worth investigating - if he can hold up on D.

Frater Perdurabo
07-10-2007, 10:26 AM
If Contreras won't bring back an impact guy, I wonder if the BloSox would do Contreras+Uribe for Lugo+Cash. Julio's having an absolutely horrible year in Boston, but his history in Tampa is pretty solid. He's overpaid, but if you get his deal down to $5-6M/year, he could be a nice guy to have leading off and playing either 2B or SS.

BoSox would get a SS with strong playoff experience, add an SP they'd control for another year, and get out from under some of that Lugo contract. Ala Renteria, could work out well for his next team.

Flight, what about Contreras to the Mets for Aaron Heilman, then invest the savings in Ichiro this offseason?

CLR01
07-10-2007, 01:09 PM
Kenny trades Uribe to a Dominican jail for two prison jumpsuits and an inmate to be named later. :praying:

IronFisk
07-10-2007, 01:27 PM
Contreras - hands down. The unknown age factor is starting to bite us methinks.

soxrme
07-10-2007, 04:41 PM
Posednik for Carlos Lee

Flight #24
07-10-2007, 05:05 PM
Flight, what about Contreras to the Mets for Aaron Heilman, then invest the savings in Ichiro this offseason?

That would work (although I'd rather invest in ARod than Ichiro). But I kind of think that you can get a reliever on the market more easily than a young hitter. Don't the best middle relievers go for $3-5M? That seems quite doable and easier to pay for than a hitter, plus I think the Sox can get a decent RP or 2 out of the guys who've disappointed this year based on a year with the coaching/development staff. But they have no prospects for OF or IF (unless Richar's ready).

Rockabilly
07-10-2007, 06:02 PM
Vazquez & Iguchi to Atlanta for Salty, C huck James and Y Escobar

kevin57
07-10-2007, 11:08 PM
I think Dye will go before Contreras.

Dye's attitude is rubbing Kenny the wrong way, it seems...and we've seen how KW reacted when Frank was perceived to be doing the same.

Contreras should be dealt, and I think he will be, but I sense he's a favorite of Ozzie's and Kenny's, so not quite as easy as may be suspect.

AzureJazzMan
07-11-2007, 12:06 PM
The first move will more than likely be Dye because they'll be able to showcase him well before Contreras gets his next start (after which he will be dealt).

Dye to the Dodgers for Jonathan Broxton and Andre' Ethier

then

Contreras to the Mets for Lastings Milledge, and Ambiorix Burgos or Marcos Carvajal (possibly both?)

then

Iguchi and Anderson to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Jose Ascanio, and Oscar Villarreal or Martin Prado

Finally (and hopefully, the long rumored)

McDougal and Sisco to the Phillies for Aaron Rowand (who is promptly resigned) and Julio De La Cruz

Though, I wouldn't put it past KW (evil genius that he is) to trade Gar and/or Javy instead

AzureJazzMan
07-11-2007, 12:07 PM
The first move will more than likely be Dye because they'll be able to showcase him well before Contreras gets his next start (after which he will be dealt).

Dye to the Dodgers for Jonathan Broxton and Andre' Ethier

then

Contreras to the Mets for Lastings Milledge, and Ambiorix Burgos or Marcos Carvajal (possibly both?)

then

Iguchi and Anderson to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Jose Ascanio, and Oscar Villarreal or Martin Prado

Finally (and hopefully, the long rumored)

McDougal and Sisco to the Phillies for Aaron Rowand (who is promptly resigned) and Julio De La Cruz

Though, I wouldn't put it past KW (evil genius, that he is) to trade Gar and/or Javy instead

Flight #24
07-11-2007, 12:19 PM
The first move will more than likely be Dye because they'll be able to showcase him well before Contreras gets his next start (after which he will be dealt).

Dye to the Dodgers for Jonathan Broxton and Andre' Ethier

then

Contreras to the Mets for Lastings Milledge, and Ambiorix Burgos or Marcos Carvajal (possibly both?)

then

Iguchi and Anderson to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Jose Ascanio, and Oscar Villarreal or Martin Prado

Finally (and hopefully, the long rumored)

McDougal and Sisco to the Phillies for Aaron Rowand (who is promptly resigned) and Julio De La Cruz

Though, I wouldn't put it past KW (evil genius that he is) to trade Gar and/or Javy instead

After thinking on it a bit, I could see where the Sox might wait to trade Jose. The reason would be where his value can get to by the deadline given that he'll likely get at most 2-3 starts. Ideally he's going to pitch well and garner a good return, but if he's improving but not there yet, they might hold onto him in the hopes that he can pitch well in Aug/Sep, raise his value as a solid, below-market starter, and peddle him in the offseason.

Now Dye/Iguchi are gone unless the Sox decide to resign them. But I don't see that you'll get Escobar for an Igushi rental and Anderson whose value the Sox haven't exactly maximized.

russ99
07-11-2007, 01:17 PM
The first move will more than likely be Dye because they'll be able to showcase him well before Contreras gets his next start (after which he will be dealt).

Dye to the Dodgers for Jonathan Broxton and Andre' Ethier

then

Contreras to the Mets for Lastings Milledge, and Ambiorix Burgos or Marcos Carvajal (possibly both?)

then

Iguchi and Anderson to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Jose Ascanio, and Oscar Villarreal or Martin Prado

Finally (and hopefully, the long rumored)

McDougal and Sisco to the Phillies for Aaron Rowand (who is promptly resigned) and Julio De La Cruz

Though, I wouldn't put it past KW (evil genius, that he is) to trade Gar and/or Javy instead

Those are interesting possibilities, but to me each of those deals, the Sox are getting back a lot more than they'd likely receive for what we're giving up.

Not sure if I'd do the Dye deal if we had to add a pitching prospect, but I'd likely do the other three, as long as Broadway, Gio and Russell aren't involved.

One other thing - with the hot weather, do you think it could be time for Haeger to get a call-up? I know he's not had a good season so far, but knucklers are best in humid conditions.

AzureJazzMan
07-11-2007, 02:35 PM
Those are interesting possibilities, but to me each of those deals, the Sox are getting back a lot more than they'd likely receive for what we're giving up.

Not sure if I'd do the Dye deal if we had to add a pitching prospect, but I'd likely do the other three, as long as Broadway, Gio and Russell aren't involved.

One other thing - with the hot weather, do you think it could be time for Haeger to get a call-up? I know he's not had a good season so far, but knucklers are best in humid conditions.


You're probably right about receiving too much back, but I thought that I'd give it a shot. After looking at the potential trading partners and their respective rosters, I attempted to draw from the depth in their active roster and farm system. So, they wouldn't feel as much of a pinch in a trade, in their attempt to add proven (in the case of Dye, Contreras, Iguchi) post season performance and leadership. But, I suppose I showed my inner Homer in the proposals, a wee bit.

As for Haeger, I would not be suprised at all if they brought him up soon, possibly as the "call up" to counter the Floyd demotion. Hell, I'd love to see Charlie in the pen...It couldn't be much worse than what we've had so far, right?

soxfanatlanta
07-11-2007, 02:39 PM
One other thing - with the hot weather, do you think it could be time for Haeger to get a call-up? I know he's not had a good season so far, but knucklers are best in humid conditions.

If he cannot pitch well in Rock Hill, SC (steam bath), he will not do well in Chicago.

RCWHITESOX
07-11-2007, 03:22 PM
The first move will more than likely be Dye because they'll be able to showcase him well before Contreras gets his next start (after which he will be dealt).

Dye to the Dodgers for Jonathan Broxton and Andre' Ethier

then

Contreras to the Mets for Lastings Milledge, and Ambiorix Burgos or Marcos Carvajal (possibly both?)

then

Iguchi and Anderson to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Jose Ascanio, and Oscar Villarreal or Martin Prado

Finally (and hopefully, the long rumored)

McDougal and Sisco to the Phillies for Aaron Rowand (who is promptly resigned) and Julio De La Cruz

Though, I wouldn't put it past KW (evil genius, that he is) to trade Gar and/or Javy instead

Your first two moves make sense but your 3rd and 4th moves are fantasy. The braves don't need Iguchi they allready have Johnson and Escobar and if the Sox could trade McDougall and Sisco for Rowand alone Philly fans would run their GM out of town. You would be lucky to get a bag of doughnuts for either of those two gas cans.

nevr say dye sox
07-11-2007, 04:18 PM
why do the Dodgers want Dye? They already have a glutton of outfielders, thats the reason Either is expendable. Their not going to trade him for another outfielder.

AzureJazzMan
07-12-2007, 05:03 PM
why do the Dodgers want Dye? They already have a glutton of outfielders, thats the reason Either is expendable. Their not going to trade him for another outfielder.

The Dodgers would want Dye, because he is a proven commodity in post season (as I mentioned in my post previously).

Why wouldn't a team want someone who can still play (when healthy) and put up solid numbers, who happened to be an MVP of a World Series, and a runner up MVP for last season?

The glutton of outfielders they have, would allow him valuable rest over the next couple months, while he fully recovers from his injuries, and be fully healthy in time for the playoffs. It makes complete sense to me. But, hey...that's just my opinion.

Your first two moves make sense but your 3rd and 4th moves are fantasy. The braves don't need Iguchi they already have Johnson and Escobar and if the Sox could trade McDougall and Sisco for Rowand alone Philly fans would run their GM out of town. You would be lucky to get a bag of doughnuts for either of those two gas cans.

You want Iguchi because he is (like Dye) he is a proven player in the post season. He came through with some incredible clutch plays, both on offense and defense, and never lost his cool or let nerves get the best of him during the run in '05.

And as for the Rowand, please note, that I put the word "hopefully" in the parenthesis on that part of the post. It was a bit of a fantasy. But that type of thing is what makes posting on fanboards fun. Maybe they could get him if you add another "gas can" in the guise of Thornton, it might help sweeten the pot for them.... :-)

rowand33
07-12-2007, 09:08 PM
The first move will more than likely be Dye because they'll be able to showcase him well before Contreras gets his next start (after which he will be dealt).

Dye to the Dodgers for Jonathan Broxton and Andre' Ethier

then

Contreras to the Mets for Lastings Milledge, and Ambiorix Burgos or Marcos Carvajal (possibly both?)

then

Iguchi and Anderson to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Jose Ascanio, and Oscar Villarreal or Martin Prado

Finally (and hopefully, the long rumored)

McDougal and Sisco to the Phillies for Aaron Rowand (who is promptly resigned) and Julio De La Cruz

Though, I wouldn't put it past KW (evil genius that he is) to trade Gar and/or Javy instead

I think we have enough former Royals relievers.

Mohoney
07-13-2007, 05:43 AM
Deeppink for a Garland extension, but I voted with the overwhelming majority on a Contreras trade.

UserNameBlank
07-13-2007, 12:30 PM
I voted for the churros. It's July 13th and our team has been dog **** yet KW hasn't made an acquisition yet. 18 days is all he has left and he still is supposedly waiting around to see if we can make a run. Yeah, right. My guess is he stands pat and we end the season with Pods in LF, Erstad in CF, and our rotation remains as is.

Truthfully, if he can't get anything for Contreras he'd be better off keeping him, resting him, and hoping that he can have a decent second half. Then maybe he can unload him for something decent over the offseason when some team is giving Jason Jennings 14 mil per year.

On Dye, the Sox will still get two draft picks if they arbitration and he walks. Also IIRC JD is only making 7 mil this year, so even if he accepts arbitration we still could end up with a steal. Either that or maybe we can get him to sign an incentive laden deal and keep him around. It doesn't make sense to dump him for anything less than a current top prospect, and I mean current top prospect, not a failed project like Gavin Floyd.