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StepsInSC
07-06-2007, 09:41 AM
Hadn't seen this posted, but it's a fascinating little nugget.

Betancourt had a few balls called on him against the Tigers because of taking too long to pitch (more than 12 seconds). Wedge went nuts and accused the Tigers of tipping off the umps, but the umps revealed their true source:

"The players (who take a lot of time) are reported by other crews and evaluators in the stands," DeMuth said. "There are names on this list of batters who constantly take a long time getting into the box. There are names of pitchers who don't immediately go out to the mound for the start of the inning. There are names of pitchers who throw a few pitches in the bullpen after they are signaled into the game. There are all sorts of reasons to get on a list of delaying the pace of the game."http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070705/SPORTS02/707050386/1048

eriqjaffe
07-06-2007, 10:03 AM
John Thomson (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=123307) needs to be on that list. I may have dozed off during Sunday's game waiting for him to bring it to the plate.

Fenway
07-06-2007, 10:11 AM
Charley Finley had some goofy ideas but this one had merit


The other innovation that never took off was Finley's idea about installing a pitch clock. A rule in baseball states that a pitcher must throw the ball within 20 seconds after he receives it back from the catcher. But, according to Finley, "We've got guys out there who throw once every half-hour. Let's put up a 20-second clock in every ballpark. If it runs out before the pitcher throws, charge him with a ball. That'll speed things up."


http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/sports2000/trends/163774.html

I believe he actually installed one in KC

jabrch
07-06-2007, 10:24 AM
Hadn't seen this posted, but it's a fascinating little nugget.

Betancourt had a few balls called on him against the Tigers because of taking too long to pitch (more than 12 seconds). Wedge went nuts and accused the Tigers of tipping off the umps, but the umps revealed their true source:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070705/SPORTS02/707050386/1048

That's great! I'm so sick of 3+ hour ballgames.

Chicken Dinner
07-06-2007, 10:43 AM
I thought this thread was about slow runners. I was looking for PK and AJ to be on the list. :D:

tebman
07-06-2007, 10:52 AM
Charley Finley had some goofy ideas but this one had merit

The other innovation that never took off was Finley's idea about installing a pitch clock. A rule in baseball states that a pitcher must throw the ball within 20 seconds after he receives it back from the catcher. But, according to Finley, "We've got guys out there who throw once every half-hour. Let's put up a 20-second clock in every ballpark. If it runs out before the pitcher throws, charge him with a ball. That'll speed things up."

http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/sports2000/trends/163774.html

I believe he actually installed one in KC

I don't have a source handy, but I'm pretty sure Bill Veeck had a pitch timer installed on the old Monster scoreboard in Old Comiskey. As I remember reading the story, it annoyed the umpires so the Sox had to shut it off. It was above the big clock on the old board.

Fenway
07-06-2007, 10:55 AM
I don't have a source handy, but I'm pretty sure Bill Veeck had a pitch timer installed on the old Monster scoreboard in Old Comiskey. As I remember reading the story, it annoyed the umpires so the Sox had to shut it off. It was above the big clock on the old board.

would that be the pitch meter shown here?


http://www.ballparktour.com/Comiskey_1967.jpg

Steelrod
07-06-2007, 10:55 AM
Ya think Freddy Garcia is at the top of the list?

tebman
07-06-2007, 11:02 AM
would that be the pitch meter shown here?


http://www.ballparktour.com/Comiskey_1967.jpg

Maybe -- but I think that that picture pre-dates the 20-second rule. My recollection was that it was mounted above the clock. In this picture there's a frame above the clock that I think was from a gag "TILT" sign that was part of the board's home-run repertoire. As I recall, the pitch timer was installed up there. I'm not sure what the Pitch-O-Meter is in the picture; maybe it was pitch count or pitch speed, or maybe it was the 20-second timer.

Fenway
07-06-2007, 11:05 AM
Maybe -- but I think that that picture pre-dates the 20-second rule. My recollection was that it was mounted above the clock. In this picture there's a frame above the clock that I think was from a gag "TILT" sign that was part of the board's home-run repertoire. As I recall, the pitch timer was installed up there. I'm not sure what the Pitch-O-Meter is in the picture; maybe it was pitch count or pitch speed, or maybe it was the 20-second timer.

That picture was taken in 1967 and I think it was this game


http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1967/B05170CHA1967.htm

Oblong
07-06-2007, 11:05 AM
Leyland said it wasn't him, that he doesn't get involved in "silly stuff". Wedge thinks it was someone else in the organization. The umps even warned Bettencourt before issuing the balls.

There was also an issue where Rodriguez was called for catcher's interference on Friday night on Hafner. After that he kept making a point to make sure the hitters weren't too far back in the box. The umps even made him move up a little. THen Casey BLake was on Detroit radio saying "Pudge needs to stop whining and start catching".

PatK
07-06-2007, 11:36 AM
I was hoping that link had the actual list

Huisj
07-06-2007, 12:26 PM
How would the catcher or batter calling time affect this rule? If this rule was being strictly enforced and a pitcher was still in his set just a few seconds away from the 20-second limit, could the catcher just call time to get the count to start over again?

DumpJerry
07-06-2007, 12:38 PM
Someone get some Red Bull to Paulie!

tebman
07-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Maybe -- but I think that that picture pre-dates the 20-second rule. My recollection was that it was mounted above the clock. In this picture there's a frame above the clock that I think was from a gag "TILT" sign that was part of the board's home-run repertoire. As I recall, the pitch timer was installed up there. I'm not sure what the Pitch-O-Meter is in the picture; maybe it was pitch count or pitch speed, or maybe it was the 20-second timer.

I'm quoting myself because I found another reference in this picture:

http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/scoreboard2.jpg

I think this picture is from opening day of 1981, Einhorn & Reinsdorf's first season. They still had Veeck's 1970s-vintage board in place. It's cropped slightly at the top of the picture, but there's a "SpeedOMeter" display above the clock. I'm pretty sure that was the 20-second timer that didn't see much use after the Sox got complaints from umpires.

The only thing I remember seeing it used for was a wild random count as the board did its homerun act.

jabrch
07-07-2007, 12:09 AM
http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/scoreboard2.jpg



I have such fond memories of the old park. I hope someday my kids have the same memories of USCF that I have of Comiskey Park.