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chisoxmike
07-01-2007, 05:55 PM
So, it looks like Kenny won't budge. Who's going to cheer on Mark's final start in a White Sox uniform tomorrow?

Dan Mega
07-01-2007, 05:58 PM
So, it looks like Kenny won't budge. Who's going to cheer on Mark's final start in a White Sox uniform tomorrow?

I wouldn't say final until I see on whitesox.com that he's been traded. However I'm going to record the game on my TiVo then move it to my computer just in case.

Turcle
07-01-2007, 06:04 PM
I saw yesterday that the pirates staged a walk off yesterday. I think Sox fans should do that. Like for instance once Buehrle leaves the game then all the fans should leave too. I'm not saying leave the park but leave your seats send a message to the White Sox upper management.

TommyJohn
07-01-2007, 06:22 PM
So, it looks like Kenny won't budge. Who's going to cheer on Mark's final start in a White Sox uniform tomorrow?

Can we please hold off on the hyperventilating until something actually
happens? Geez.

NU Nish 13
07-01-2007, 06:27 PM
I saw yesterday that the pirates staged a walk off yesterday. I think Sox fans should do that. Like for instance once Buehrle leaves the game then all the fans should leave too. I'm not saying leave the park but leave your seats send a message to the White Sox upper management.

Pirates walk-off? Please elaborate.

santo=dorf
07-01-2007, 06:28 PM
Can we please hold off on the hyperventilating until something actually
happens? Geez.
Really.

If he signs (please) you know there is going to be someone who tries to BUMP this thread making a smart ass remark.

itsnotrequired
07-01-2007, 07:23 PM
That chisoxmike, he so crazy...

viagracat
07-01-2007, 07:32 PM
The last I knew, Buehrle wants to stay here, which should mean something. At least that's what he said. And I believe KW when he said he really likes Buehrle personally. I don't think he's going anywhere soon, especially since the Sox just completed a good road trip.

rdivaldi
07-01-2007, 07:54 PM
I saw yesterday that the pirates staged a walk off yesterday. I think Sox fans should do that. Like for instance once Buehrle leaves the game then all the fans should leave too. I'm not saying leave the park but leave your seats send a message to the White Sox upper management.

How about staying in the stadium and cheering on your team and leaving the cheap theatrics to the teams that have zero chance of winning or haven't won a World Series in 20- 30 years.

whitesoxwilkes
07-01-2007, 07:56 PM
How about staying in the stadium and cheering on your team and leaving the cheap theatrics to the teams that have zero chance of winning or haven't won a World Series in 20- 30 years.

Exactly.

cws05champ
07-01-2007, 07:56 PM
I saw yesterday that the pirates staged a walk off yesterday. I think Sox fans should do that. Like for instance once Buehrle leaves the game then all the fans should leave too. I'm not saying leave the park but leave your seats send a message to the White Sox upper management.

I think that it would be much more powerful if everyone cheered as loud as possible for Mark, and made a BUNCH of signs...both asking him to stay and telling Managment to get the deal done.

I just don't get the Sox stance here. You want to sign him to a 4 year deal to keep him around for awhile and by year 3 he will be a 10/5 guy that will have Limited no trade rights anyway. Get it done!!

chisoxmike
07-01-2007, 08:00 PM
I saw yesterday that the pirates staged a walk off yesterday. I think Sox fans should do that. Like for instance once Buehrle leaves the game then all the fans should leave too. I'm not saying leave the park but leave your seats send a message to the White Sox upper management.

That wouldn't do anything...for any team.

Turcle
07-01-2007, 08:21 PM
Pirates walk-off? Please elaborate.

The pirates who are terrible and upset with what has been done in the draft passing up Zito, Howard, and Wright, staged a walk off where in the 3rd inning the fans left their seats (were supposed to leave the park but didn't) to send a message that they're tried of being so bad.

Patrick134
07-01-2007, 08:26 PM
I saw yesterday that the pirates staged a walk off yesterday. I think Sox fans should do that. Like for instance once Buehrle leaves the game then all the fans should leave too. I'm not saying leave the park but leave your seats send a message to the White Sox upper management.

Is this before or after you do the Wave ?

Patrick134
07-01-2007, 08:28 PM
The pirates who are terrible and upset with what has been done in the draft passing up Zito, Howard, and Wright, staged a walk off where in the 3rd inning the fans left their seats (were supposed to leave the park but didn't) to send a message that they're tried of being so bad.

You show displeasure by not buying tickets in the first place. Not some lame attempt that will go unnoticed.

chisoxmike
07-01-2007, 08:30 PM
You show displeasure by not buying tickets in the first place. Not some lame attempt that will go unnoticed.

Exactly.

It's Dankerific
07-01-2007, 08:32 PM
Exactly.

Kinda hard to get noticed when you paid for your season tickets last december...

(I'm sure its much easier for the walk up fans to show their displeasure.)

ozzie is god
07-01-2007, 09:41 PM
I'll be in the Jim Beam seats :bandance:.

Soxfanspcu11
07-01-2007, 09:58 PM
So, it looks like Kenny won't budge. Who's going to cheer on Mark's final start in a White Sox uniform tomorrow?


Are you Kenny Williams?

If not, why are you putting this negative energy into the air???

What is the point??? Just to piss a bunch of people off???:?:

Never was THIS tag more necessary;

:threadsucks

The Dude
07-01-2007, 10:03 PM
That chisoxmike, he so crazy...

Almost as crazy as.... well Miller, no one has you beat!:D:

chisoxmike
07-01-2007, 10:14 PM
Are you Kenny Williams?



Yes, yes I am.

pearso66
07-01-2007, 10:17 PM
Yes, yes I am.

What the heck are you thinking then, give the man the NTC. Seriously

EndemicSox
07-01-2007, 10:24 PM
It needed to be said, and yes I will be there with a huge sign that gives the owners a piece of my mind. If you can be there, come out and give MB one hell of an ovation, he deserves it, and the fans, if MB is on his way out of town over a NTC, deserved much, much better.

UserNameBlank
07-01-2007, 10:41 PM
Reading an article about the Sox holding up negotiations with Buehrle over a NTC gives me the same feeling that I get when I see those Feed the Children commercials.

God I hope the Sox wake up and realize that what they are saying is stupid. Just give the man his damn NTC and shut up about it.

gobears1987
07-01-2007, 11:11 PM
Well if the Sox trade Buehrle, I'll be done with the team for this year. I'm starting to get really fed up with KW.

EndemicSox
07-01-2007, 11:23 PM
Well if the Sox trade Buehrle, I'll be done with the team for this year. I'm starting to get really fed up with KW.

Don't be too hard on KW, one has to believe that his hands are tied by the owners.

gobears1987
07-01-2007, 11:44 PM
Don't be too hard on KW, one has to believe that his hands are tied by the owners.If that's the case, I'll forgive him. I have a feeling this NTC is his doing though. The words he used when he talked to the press sure make me think so.

WhiteSox5187
07-02-2007, 12:39 AM
Fact is, even if we trade Buerhle this might not be his last start in a Sox uni...we still have another month before the trade deadline so he could get another two or three starts before we trade him. There is no doubt in my mind that once he leaves the game he is going to get a HUGE ovation and I'm sure there will be a bunch of signs showing him whose side the fans are on. But that won't really have any impact on management's stance. This organization has showed time and again taht they don't really give a rat's ass what the fan base thinks, and ya know? As irritating as that can be, it is a good thing too...because sometimes the fan base is wrong. In fact, a good chunk of the time we're wrong...but we're right about Buerhle. I really hope we get something hammered out. It seems like we're soooo close and these type of deals don't fall apart over no trade clauses. I'll be going on vacation for a little while so will be without the internet, but I hope something gets worked out. I really do.

hawkjt
07-02-2007, 01:04 AM
did not like the tone of kennys statement tonite on the late sportsnite..something like '' we cannot operate with out hands tied '' in referring to the no-trade clause... sounds kind of entrenched.. I like kenny but he is going to get totally basted on this deal if it falls apart over this last item.. I know he prefers it otherwise but this one time he needs to cave.. I will be their on monday screaming my head off for MB..

WhiteSox5187
07-02-2007, 01:09 AM
did not like the tone of kennys statement tonite on the late sportsnite..something like '' we cannot operate with out hands tied '' in referring to the no-trade clause... sounds kind of entrenched.. I like kenny but he is going to get totally basted on this deal if it falls apart over this last item.. I know he prefers it otherwise but this one time he needs to cave.. I will be their on monday screaming my head off for MB..
The guy is going to have a NTC when he becomes a 10/5 player in the third year of the deal, just give him a NTC for the first two years. This is so silly. If a deal doesn't get worked out over this then it is because of KW and the White Sox pride and arrogance, which has hurt this team before in the past. Really there has to be a middle ground here. I can understand Kenny's logic and I can understand Mark's logic but someone here has to say "Look, fellas, let's work this out..." Unless Kenny is planning to go for a total youth movement in 2008 (which is not outside the realm of possibility and in which case I wish he'd just say so) signing MB is vital to contention. No rookie is going to be able to fill a hole that big in the rotation. And any other pitcher on the free agent market is going to cost a whole lot more that Mark Buerhle. If this deal doesn't go through, it really should be a fireable offense. JR of course will never do that, but it is beyond stupidity if this deal doesn't go through.

spiffie
07-02-2007, 08:15 AM
Kinda hard to get noticed when you paid for your season tickets last december...

(I'm sure its much easier for the walk up fans to show their displeasure.)
Yeah, but we'll be able to show our feelings in the fall when those season ticket renewals come out. There's a reason I stopped selling my tickets on the Ticket Exchange and moved to Stubhub...

Law11
07-02-2007, 08:26 AM
Just trade him then. My god, i was resigned to the fact he was gone a few weeks ago, then he was staying, now he's as good as gone again because of the NTC.

End this re-run of a soap opera we've all grown tired of seeing from sox management an move on..
And dont let this mini winning streak cloud your judgement. This team has an identity crisis and losing the face of your team because of what amounts to 2 years of a NTC is absurd.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-02-2007, 08:36 AM
I will be there. Cheering loudly and hoping for some common sense to creep into Kenny's mind. While he is at it, I sure wish he would realize the importance of putting a good OF on display.

MeteorsSox4367
07-02-2007, 08:45 AM
While he is at it, I sure wish he would realize the importance of putting a good OF on display.

What? You're not crazy about an outfield of Mackowiak, Terrero and Gonzalez? Somewhere there's a Triple-A team wanting its starters back.

veeter
07-02-2007, 08:47 AM
Flat out: the Sox are a joke, if it all falls apart for the NTC.

SBSoxFan
07-02-2007, 08:47 AM
I wouldn't say final until I see on whitesox.com that he's been traded. However I'm going to record the game on my TiVo then move it to my computer just in case.

I'm going to tape it too (but on my VCR :smile:), just so I can see what all the reactions are, especially since I won't be able to watch the beginning of it. The Sox are going against a tough pitcher, so I mainly hope they continue to win, get close to 500 at the half-way point, and go from there. With MB and everything else.

alohafri
07-02-2007, 09:02 AM
If that's the case, I'll forgive him. I have a feeling this NTC is his doing though. The words he used when he talked to the press sure make me think so.

For crying out loud, give him the No Trade Clause. Those things are waived all the time.

ode to veeck
07-02-2007, 09:03 AM
So, it looks like Kenny won't budge. Who's going to cheer on Mark's final start in a White Sox uniform tomorrow?

what's the score, dude?

russ99
07-02-2007, 09:23 AM
Kinda hard to get noticed when you paid for your season tickets last december...

(I'm sure its much easier for the walk up fans to show their displeasure.)

Still, if Buerhle gets dumped for sub-par prospects over a stupid no-trade clause, I'm going to have to think pretty hard about fronting the White Sox hundreds of dollars of my hard-earned cash again next January.

jabrch
07-02-2007, 09:32 AM
I wouldn't give him a full NTC under any circumstance. That's not a smart thing to do. The Sox, fortunately, don't let players bully them into ridiculous demands. I hope they don't cave to this one.

Chicken Dinner
07-02-2007, 09:32 AM
I'm going to tape it too (but on my VCR :smile:), just so I can see what all the reactions are, especially since I won't be able to watch the beginning of it. The Sox are going against a tough pitcher, so I mainly hope they continue to win, get close to 500 at the half-way point, and go from there. With MB and everything else.

Is that VCR sitting next to your 8 track player? :D:

jabrch
07-02-2007, 09:38 AM
Still, if Buerhle gets dumped for sub-par prospects over a stupid no-trade clause, I'm going to have to think pretty hard about fronting the White Sox hundreds of dollars of my hard-earned cash again next January.

The Cubs always grant crazy, player friendly contracts. Their favorite is the 2 year opt out on a 4 year contract, so that the team takes all the risk if the player sucks, but the player gets all the upside by being able to opt out. I can't believe our policy to not put the franchise in an unfavorable contract position would be the reason why you'd no longer buy tickets. Is the reason you buy tickets really Mark Buehrle?

I've never bought a single ticket because of any single player - ever. If we let Mark go, get two top prospects or even two draft picks, and use that 14mm to sign an OF or a IF, and bring up Gavin/Lance/Gio next year, I will 100% renew my tickets. If we bring back Mark, I will 100% renew my tickekts. I go to the games for the game of baseball, not for any individual player.

I believe a lot of people won't renew thier tickets next year, and will blame it on Mark leaving if that happens, but most of these people would have not renewed last year when they had the chance if they didn't have post-season money already sunk into it. And if the Sox were to get hot again this year or next year, make the post season, and allow people playoff/WS tickets if they sign for season tickets next year, they'd be all over it.

The Sox offer a great entertainment value for my $. I'll go to watch the team regardless of what players they have there as long as it truly appears they are trying to win. There's no freaking way you will convince me that Mark Buehrle is a requisite to winning - and that the $56-60+mm that he is going to earn couldn't be productively used for many things other than Mark if he chooses that the offer the Sox are making him, as a whole, is not good enough.

jenn2080
07-02-2007, 09:41 AM
I hope they can come to some kind of agreement and get Mark signed. Hopefully I will not be watching Mark's last game in a White Sox uniform.

bryPt
07-02-2007, 09:42 AM
Don't get on the poster of this thread, the morons at the Score (You know, the flag ship station that is running ads telling people that the Sox season is over and to tune in to hear Cubs talk) are saying all morning that this will be MB's last start.

I truly hated hearing the Sox on ESPN "kiss bosox NY arse" 1000, but the Score is worse. When they can't get the story straight and run ads saying that they team the broadcast is out of it, I am done.

"I am done with the Score, and the Score should know that!" - Bernie Mac proclaiming he is done with the Score.

SBSoxFan
07-02-2007, 09:44 AM
Is that VCR sitting next to your 8 track player? :D:

on top of it. :tongue: I do, however, own a DVD recorder. Unfortunately, it's pretty unreliable so I stopped using it to record shows. :(:

SBSoxFan
07-02-2007, 09:46 AM
Don't get on the poster of this thread, the morons at the Score (You know, the flag ship station that is running ads telling people that the Sox season is over and to tune in to hear Cubs talk) are saying all morning that this will be MB's last start.

I truly hated hearing the Sox on ESPN "kiss bosox NY arse" 1000, but the Score is worse. When they can't get the story straight and run ads saying that they team the broadcast is out of it, I am done.

"I am done with the Score, and the Score should know that!" - Bernie Mac proclaiming he is done with the Score.

Yeah, I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that. Appalling. Of course, during the Sox games, they runs ads for the morning show touting Sox talk. :rolleyes:

ShoelessJoeS
07-02-2007, 09:55 AM
I'll be there...

Sec 161, Row 9

Ragator43
07-02-2007, 10:03 AM
Don't get on the poster of this thread, the morons at the Score (You know, the flag ship station that is running ads telling people that the Sox season is over and to tune in to hear Cubs talk) are saying all morning that this will be MB's last start.

I truly hated hearing the Sox on ESPN "kiss bosox NY arse" 1000, but the Score is worse. When they can't get the story straight and run ads saying that they team the broadcast is out of it, I am done.

"I am done with the Score, and the Score should know that!" - Bernie Mac proclaiming he is done with the Score.

If they didn't get it right last week, why put any more belief into the hype today? Take sports talk radio for what it is until the organization will confirm the story, nothing but a bunch of hot air.

lostfan
07-02-2007, 02:21 PM
I need to buy tickets... I'm pretty sure I can just walk up and get tickets at Camden Yards if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: For the upcoming series in Baltimore that is.