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WhiteSoxFan84
06-30-2007, 09:31 PM
Can someone please answer that question for me? He's not a good hitter. He's THE worst clutch hitter on the team. He strikes out/grounds out EVERY time he's up in a clutch situation. His defense CLEARLY is bad this year. He no longer contributes to the team the way he used to (mainly defensively). This guy HAS to be gone before the start of the 2008 season. Hell, bring back Mike Caruso and put him at short. At least Caruso played solid defense and was one of the hardest guys to strikeout in the game. This may come off kind of premature, but if Uribe is still on the Sox in 2008, I will really want Kenny Williams gone by the end of that season unless he fills every other hole we have.

Soxfanspcu11
06-30-2007, 09:44 PM
Well, you may have answered your own question by saying how crappy Juan is.

I mean, who would want him?? What would/can the Sox get for him??

Kenny has said a few times that Juan is "his guy" at short. For whatever reason, Kenny loves him on the Sox. Couple that with the fact that we couldn't get a bag of balls for him, and I think you have your answer.

TomParrish79
06-30-2007, 09:44 PM
Cuz he works for free

JB98
06-30-2007, 10:36 PM
Can someone please answer that question for me? He's not a good hitter. He's THE worst clutch hitter on the team. He strikes out/grounds out EVERY time he's up in a clutch situation. His defense CLEARLY is bad this year. He no longer contributes to the team the way he used to (mainly defensively). This guy HAS to be gone before the start of the 2008 season. Hell, bring back Mike Caruso and put him at short. At least Caruso played solid defense and was one of the hardest guys to strikeout in the game. This may come off kind of premature, but if Uribe is still on the Sox in 2008, I will really want Kenny Williams gone by the end of that season unless he fills every other hole we have.

We have no viable alternative anywhere in our organization. That is why Juan Uribe is still the Sox everyday shortstop.

y2j2785
06-30-2007, 10:42 PM
I believe the sox have an option on Uribe for next season, and I along with many others hope that that option is declined and that we find someone else to play SS.

WhiteSoxFan84
06-30-2007, 11:23 PM
We have no viable alternative anywhere in our organization. That is why Juan Uribe is still the Sox everyday shortstop.

How about that little guy named Andy Gonzalez? He's playing everyday and every position, why not pencil him in as the everyday SS? See if he can play, if he can't, sign someone in the offseason.

JB98
06-30-2007, 11:26 PM
How about that little guy named Andy Gonzalez? He's playing everyday and every position, why not pencil him in as the everyday SS? See if he can play, if he can't, sign someone in the offseason.

Gonzalez is hitting .207, and almost all of his damage came in two games in Tampa Bay. I hope he develops into a decent utility player for the Sox. I don't think anyone sees him as the long-term solution at SS.

tebman
06-30-2007, 11:31 PM
We have no viable alternative anywhere in our organization. That is why Juan Uribe is still the Sox everyday shortstop.
Ding! There's the answer to the original question. Who else is available? We hear that Gonzalez is a shortstop, but he just got here. Do the Sox let him learn on the job? Maybe he couldn't do worse that Uribe, but it's still a risk.

Uribe has made me crazy the whole time he's been with the Sox. He had a better year in 2005, but so did everybody. He swings wildly when he's at bat, and even though he has obvious natural defensive talent, he seems to suffer brain cramps way too often. Why in the world he's Kenny's Guy at short is something I don't understand. When there was hot-stove talk last winter about getting Tejada, I was excited because I thought the Sox would get a more solid player at short. Didn't happen, and now Tejada's down with a broken wrist anyway.

If KW does go on a rebuilding binge, shortstop has got to be one of the first positions to be addressed.

JB98
06-30-2007, 11:33 PM
Ding! There's the answer to the original question. Who else is available? We hear that Gonzalez is a shortstop, but he just got here. Do the Sox let him learn on the job? Maybe he couldn't do worse that Uribe, but it's still a risk.

Uribe has made me crazy the whole time he's been with the Sox. He had a better year in 2005, but so did everybody. He swings wildly when he's at bat, and even though he has obvious natural defensive talent, he seems to suffer brain cramps way too often. Why in the world he's Kenny's Guy at short is something I don't understand. When there was hot-stove talk last winter about getting Tejada, I was excited because I thought the Sox would get a more solid player at short. Didn't happen, and now Tejada's down with a broken wrist anyway.

If KW does go on a rebuilding binge, shortstop has got to be one of the first positions to be addressed.

Here's the thing about Gonzalez: The people in charge of the Sox organization have seen a lot more of him than us, and they've determined he's not an everyday SS.

Before he was recalled, he played games at every single position except pitcher and catcher for Charlotte. He's looked at as a good athlete who can fill a utility role. That's what they started grooming him for this year in Charlotte, and that's how he has been used since his recall.

We need to go outside the organization for our 2008 shortstop. I share the original poster's frustration with Uribe, but I don't agree that Gonzalez should be given a long look at the position.

OzzieBall2004
06-30-2007, 11:34 PM
We have no viable alternative anywhere in our organization. That is why Juan Uribe is still the Sox everyday shortstop.

I agree. If we do trade Buehrle I hope we at least get a stud SS prospect in return.

Although, can't miss prospects seem to miss every time for us. (See Borchard, Anderson, and possibly Sweeney)

Palpidious
06-30-2007, 11:36 PM
Mod edit: Take a week off and consider yourself lucky it wasn't longer.

CLR01
06-30-2007, 11:42 PM
Cuz he works for free


If free is $4.15mil sign me up.

JorgeFabregas
06-30-2007, 11:48 PM
Juan's defense has returned to form lately, IMO. He seems more focused in the past week or two. Granted, I was out of town for a couple days so I may have missed a recent goof-up. He is leading the AL short stops in range factor and is in the middle of the pack in zone rating. His zone rating (.839) is much closer to the leader (Bobby Crosby, .869) than to last place (Derek Jeter, .758).

oeo
07-01-2007, 12:06 AM
Juan's defense has returned to form lately, IMO. He seems more focused in the past week or two. Granted, I was out of town for a couple days so I may have missed a recent goof-up. He is leading the AL short stops in range factor and is in the middle of the pack in zone rating. His zone rating (.839) is much closer to the leader (Bobby Crosby, .869) than to last place (Derek Jeter, .758).

You missed today. Bottom of the ninth, he lets a ball go right under his glove. Fortunately we got that last out, but still, Uribe was right there...make the play.

Tragg
07-01-2007, 12:20 AM
Gonzalez also has the benefit of a lot of good pitches via hitting in the 2 hole. Why Ozzie picked him to bat #2, I have no idea. Ozzie wanting him to learn 1B portends that we will continue to load our bench with utility players, instead of 2nd stringers. And we'll need a new utility infielder as well. And it is a bit odd that Gonzales played mostly infield at Charlotte and has played pretty much zero infield in Chicago.

It's hard to find good hitting SS that can field at a reasonable price. All told, Uribe's average, if not a little above. We could have Lugo who never could field and now can't hit and costs, what, 8 mill a year?

Navarro's Talent
07-01-2007, 12:21 AM
[quote=Palpidious;1622012]iMod edit: Racist statement deleted./quote]

Ozzie ripped into Juan a ton last year.

Mod note: Think before you quote statements that are going to get someone a rip.

jdm2662
07-01-2007, 12:27 AM
Ozzie ripped into Juan a ton last year.

Agreed, and I specifically remember Uribe being benched for a few games after a gaffle (or two, who's keeping track) in a game against KC. If there is anything I can't stand, it's mental errors. Yes, his free swinging ways drives me insane too, but he is the ninth hitter for a reason. Mental errors are a no-no. Uribe is the one player I hope isn't on the team next season.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-01-2007, 01:42 AM
I believe the sox have an option on Uribe for next season, and I along with many others hope that that option is declined and that we find someone else to play SS.

The problem with that is, are the players available better than he is? I'd rather have Uribe than Vizquel or Izturis or some other mediocure SS.

Grzegorz
07-01-2007, 06:35 AM
Gonzalez is hitting .207, and almost all of his damage came in two games in Tampa Bay. I hope he develops into a decent utility player for the Sox. I don't think anyone sees him as the long-term solution at SS.

I am glad someone else noticed this and posted. He's struggling at the plate just like Sweeney and Anderson did.

At this point, playing Sweeney and Anderson (I know he's hurt now, so wait until he's fit) at the major league level needs to be implemented in order to get an idea of what they can contribute long term to the parent club.

As for Uribe, there is no alternative. I'd like to see if Andy Gonzalez can handle short but only when he's spot started in order to give Uribe a rest.

Shortstop is a position that needs to be addressed in the off season.

roadrunner
07-01-2007, 09:08 AM
Now that the 05 luster has worn off, it is easy to see that juan uribe is at best a (barely) serviceable shortstop. Even in his best year, 2004, he hit 283 but had only a 327 OBP. He's a complete all or nothing hack at the plate. No patience, no contact and can't even bunt. On the bases he has a career 34 SB with 23 CS.

I find it hard to believe that this far along in KW's tenure we don't have any good options at SS or CF. Looking around the AL it is clear to me that among the good teams (and most bad ones) we are far and away the worst off at the two most important positions on the field (excluding pitcher). Take a look - it's not even close.

tick53
07-01-2007, 09:38 AM
I feel this way. Sit Uribe down (or better yet, launch him) and let Alex play short. Let's see what he can do there. I don't know why Ozzie always has players who play out of position, especially when it comes to infielders playing the outfield. The way I feel right now, give Uribe his release and bring up Sweeney and give him some playing time. The team isn't going to do it this year so I'm all for getting our young guys some ML experience.

Lukin13
07-01-2007, 10:19 AM
I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Juan Uribe is the WORST everyday offensive player in major league baseball.

In '04-'06 I could get past his terrible plate manner because he was an above average defensive shortstop. This year he has been waaaaay below average in the field.

Time for a change!

RowanDye
07-01-2007, 10:23 AM
Uribe is the one player I hope isn't on the team next season.

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TheCommander
07-01-2007, 10:31 AM
Juan's defense has returned to form lately, IMO. He seems more focused in the past week or two. Granted, I was out of town for a couple days so I may have missed a recent goof-up. He is leading the AL short stops in range factor and is in the middle of the pack in zone rating. His zone rating (.839) is much closer to the leader (Bobby Crosby, .869) than to last place (Derek Jeter, .758).

:hawk

"I LUVVVV when people speak STATonese!"

Zisk77
07-01-2007, 10:35 AM
My 2 cents: Keep Uribe.

1. I think his shortcomings are GREATLY magnified now that we are so bad. His value is GREATLY hidden for the same reason.

2. Juan is better defensively with better range and arm then most shortstops. He gives us more unexpected powerr then most SS. His on base running speed is worse then most SS.

3. Who is a SIGNIFICANTLY better option in our system? Available for trade? Or Free agent next Year?

4. It seems to me we'd be better keeping Juan and Filling bigger holes i.e. Bullpen, OF's with speed (Ichiro, Crawford, Etc,) Maybe trading Gooch signing Castilla etc. This woulld be better then replacing Juan (still with who) and then not having the rescources to fill more pressing needs. For Example the hot stove rumor of Tejada would have set us back how far....no chance at signing Beurhle....or Garland in the future?

5. In short, I feel Juan is not often the reason we lose, but sometimes is the reason we win.

viagracat
07-01-2007, 10:42 AM
I feel this way. Sit Uribe down (or better yet, launch him) and let Alex play short. Let's see what he can do there. I don't know why Ozzie always has players who play out of position, especially when it comes to infielders playing the outfield. The way I feel right now, give Uribe his release and bring up Sweeney and give him some playing time. The team isn't going to do it this year so I'm all for getting our young guys some ML experience.

I agree. The thing that ticks (hiya Tick) me off about Uribe is his occasional tendency to play lazy. Can't have that, even in a lost season. Let the kids play and see who's ready to step up.

jabrch
07-01-2007, 10:56 AM
He plays very good defense and has 20 HR power from SS. There's no reason not to have Uribe. He's nowhere close to this team's biggest problem. If 3-7 were hitting like they should, and the pen was fine, you wouldn't be bellyaching about Uribe, who most loved just as recently as last year.

The Immigrant
07-01-2007, 11:14 AM
There's no reason not to have Uribe. He's nowhere close to this team's biggest problem.

Really? I would say that having the lowest OBP in all of Major League Baseball would be a reason. Worse yet, his year-to-year numbers have been in total free-fall since 2004.

No, he is not this team's biggest problem, but he is in a contract year and it is perfectly reasonable for White Sox fans to be clamoring for an offensive upgrade at SS.

Zisk77
07-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Really? I would say that having the lowest OBP in all of Major League Baseball would be a reason. Worse yet, his year-to-year numbers have been in total free-fall since 2004.

No, he is not this team's biggest problem, but he is in a contract year and it is perfectly reasonable for White Sox fans to be clamoring for an offensive upgrade at SS.

Reasonable maybe....but practical, I don't think so. We have bigger needs and we aren't trading for michael Young anytime soon.

RowanDye
07-01-2007, 11:47 AM
My 2 cents: Keep Uribe.

1. I think his shortcomings are GREATLY magnified now that we are so bad. His value is GREATLY hidden for the same reason.

2. Juan is better defensively with better range and arm then most shortstops. He gives us more unexpected powerr then most SS. His on base running speed is worse then most SS.

3. Who is a SIGNIFICANTLY better option in our system? Available for trade? Or Free agent next Year?

4. It seems to me we'd be better keeping Juan and Filling bigger holes i.e. Bullpen, OF's with speed (Ichiro, Crawford, Etc,) Maybe trading Gooch signing Castilla etc. This woulld be better then replacing Juan (still with who) and then not having the rescources to fill more pressing needs. For Example the hot stove rumor of Tejada would have set us back how far....no chance at signing Beurhle....or Garland in the future?

5. In short, I feel Juan is not often the reason we lose, but sometimes is the reason we win.

Not sure how his below average running speed for a SS is a reason to keep him...

But anyways, I would much rather keep Gooch and trade/DFA Uribe. Gooch is a decent hitter, much better than Juan. He's also our most proven 2 hitter, and excelled at that position in '05 and '06. He doesn't have great range, but he can turn a double play pretty well. We should definitely not overpay to keep him, but for the right price we could do much worse. As you said about Uribe, there are much more pressing needs than 2nd base.

In my opinion the biggest needs/ concerns are:

1. OF - With Dye, Erstad, and Pods all question marks for next year, the OF situation is going to be very interesting. Only one out of those three should be counted on as a starter next year. If Dye comes cheap, sign me up. Then we could sign either Pods or Erstad, but not both, to be the 4th outfielder or platoon guy with Sweeney. That still leaves CF to be filled by either Anderson or a free agent. I don't think we're going to pony up for a big free agent like Ichiro, but a 2nd tier free agent like Rowand would be nice.

2. 3rd base - Similar to Dye, if Crede comes cheap sign me up. I don't know if Fields is ready yet, but if Crede fails again we do have Fields as insurance.

2. SS - Maybe Juan is a scapegoat, but he makes me sick. Juan can be hidden on a team that's more successful on offense than the '07 Sox, but IF we go with youth in the outfield and at 3rd base I think we need more out of our shortstop. Ideally we would find a SS that could leadoff so we don't have to rely on Pods.

3. Bullpen - Many would put this as the #1 need, but I don't think we're in as bad of shape as it has looked recently. I wouldn't want Kenny to go at and throw a bunch of money around for bullpen guys. One veteran righty would be nice, but I think we have enough talent on the current staff and in the minors to continue to improve and be more consistent.

4. Starting Pitching - If we trade Buehrle and/or Contreras this quickly vaults near the top. Is Gio or Floyd or somebody else ready to take the 5th starter spot next year? If not we'll be picking through other people's trash for a 5th starter.

Lip Man 1
07-01-2007, 11:52 AM
WhiteSox84:

You mean the same Andy Gonzales that's hitting around .200 and couldn't get a bunt down in the 10th inning of Saturday night's game?

Isn't that what the Sox basically already have? I don't see how he is an improvement and should be starting next season myself.

I agree with those who say the Sox need to go outside the organization should they try to upgrade at shortstop.

Lip

oeo
07-01-2007, 11:58 AM
You mean the same Andy Gonzales that's hitting around .200 and couldn't get a bunt down in the 10th inning of Saturday night's game?

Correct me if I'm wrong (because I was away from the TV for the AB), but there was not an attempt at a bunt, which means he was never given the sign to bunt. I saw that he was way behind that fastball, though. He got the sacrifice down earlier in the game when he had the sign.

Still, I'd rather Gonzalez be our super-utility man next year.

Lip Man 1
07-01-2007, 12:04 PM
OEO:

The recap accounts that I've read today in the newspapers call it a failed sacrifice bunt attempt.

Perhaps it is a subject to interpretation.

Lip

jdm2662
07-01-2007, 12:13 PM
OEO:

The recap accounts that I've read today in the newspapers call it a failed sacrifice bunt attempt.

Perhaps it is a subject to interpretation.

Lip

Lip, I wouldn't call it a failed bunt attempt when he swung away on all three pitches. He did show bunt before the pitches, but then ended up swinging. So, take it as you will.

TheOldRoman
07-01-2007, 12:26 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Juan Uribe is the WORST everyday offensive player in major league baseball.

In '04-'06 I could get past his terrible plate manner because he was an above average defensive shortstop. This year he has been waaaaay below average in the field.

Time for a change!Which means that you clearly have no idea what average is in the field. Even with his mental lapses this year, Juan is still one of the elite defensive shortstops. If you want to see "waaaaay" below average, you may want to look at the AL's gold glover.

I am a little pissed at Juan, myself, but there is a good reason he is on the team. Who else would play short? Not just in our organization, but in the whole league - who is available? There aren't going to be any good SS available this off-season, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Juan back.

RowanDye
07-01-2007, 12:53 PM
Which means that you clearly have no idea what average is in the field. Even with his mental lapses this year, Juan is still one of the elite defensive shortstops. If you want to see "waaaaay" below average, you may want to look at the AL's gold glover.

I am a little pissed at Juan, myself, but there is a good reason he is on the team. Who else would play short? Not just in our organization, but in the whole league - who is available? There aren't going to be any good SS available this off-season, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Juan back.

Omar Vizquel? A-Rod? You are right that the free agent pool is limited or non-existent. It's either "9-hole" Juan, someone really old like Vizquel, or trading for someone really young like Atlanta's Yunel Escobar.

I'm holding out hope that we can flip Dye or Contreras for a major-league ready SS prospect.

Edit: The Angels have a lot of depth at SS in their organization. Obviously they don't want Crede anymore, but maybe they could use Dye?

Tragg
07-01-2007, 01:56 PM
We have a much, much greater problem at outfield for next year - like 3 openings (unless we want to chance pods' staying healthy for another year, and we may).
Uribe is no worse than average.

However, I think Uribe's salary is inching up there to the 5MM range, in which case I would guess KW would want a change. But we still have 3 outfield openings and we need 3 primo offensive players to fill those positions.

Gonzalez is a utility player; I don't see him as a super-utility player although Ozzie seems absolutely enamored with this .207 hitter. Fine with me if he takes mack's or Ozuna's role. I hope we get a legitimate bench bat for next year, too.

russ99
07-01-2007, 02:20 PM
The Sox moved Danny Richar, that good hitting prospect they picked up from the D-backs a few weeks ago, from 2B to shortstop this week in AAA Charlotte.

Coincidence? I think not.

Uribe's bad hitting and non-existent plate patience has worn thin on Ozzie and the Sox brass, and if they had a decent alternative, someone at least passable on defense, he'd likely be gone already.

Despite my impatience with him, Andy Gonzalez looks like he'll be a pretty decent player, but he's no Pablo Ozuna. If healthy, Pablo could surely take over 2B next season if KW chooses not to re-sign Iguchi.

Lukin13
07-01-2007, 04:56 PM
Which means that you clearly have no idea what average is in the field. Even with his mental lapses this year, Juan is still one of the elite defensive shortstops. If you want to see "waaaaay" below average, you may want to look at the AL's gold glover.

I am a little pissed at Juan, myself, but there is a good reason he is on the team. Who else would play short? Not just in our organization, but in the whole league - who is available? There aren't going to be any good SS available this off-season, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Juan back.


I really didn't want to get into his defensive ability because it is his offensive approach that burns me the most.

BUT

I am not sure what games you have been watching but he has not been anywhere near "elite" this season. And if I am gona put up with his free swinging antics at the plate he better be "elite" at short and he has been much closer to "brutal" than "elite".

goon
07-01-2007, 05:18 PM
If healthy, Pablo could surely take over 2B next season if KW chooses not to re-sign Iguchi.


<Insert incredibly overused chunks tag>


Pablo is a great bench player, but there is no way I would want to see him starting for this team. Richar would be a good option if the Sox don't re-sign Iguchi or depending on what he's like defensively at SS, replacing Uribe next season.

Uribe makes his mistakes in the field, but those problems are usually not due to physical error, but mental mistakes. He has a plus arm, good range and fields the ball adequately, I don't know where someone gets off talking about how "bad" he is on defense. His offense is inexcusable, but people often forget that Uribe is supposed to be a #9 hitter and SS is definitely a position where a team can sacrifice offense for defense. Also, he has good pop... unfortunately, it hasn't shown up in 2007.

I wouldn't hate to see him go, I just don't know who the Sox could get to replace him.

MDF3530
07-01-2007, 05:21 PM
I think Uribe must have pictures of Kenny in a compromising position.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-01-2007, 06:27 PM
Sit Uribe down (or better yet, launch him) and let Alex play short. Let's see what he can do there.

You've got to be kidding. Cintron? That guy is far worse than Uribe is. The guy can't throw anybody out and is unable to catch up with anything in the strike zone.

Zisk77
07-01-2007, 06:29 PM
Not sure how his below average running speed for a SS is a reason to keep him...

But anyways, I would much rather keep Gooch and trade/DFA Uribe. Gooch is a decent hitter, much better than Juan. He's also our most proven 2 hitter, and excelled at that position in '05 and '06. He doesn't have great range, but he can turn a double play pretty well. We should definitely not overpay to keep him, but for the right price we could do much worse. As you said about Uribe, there are much more pressing needs than 2nd base.

In my opinion the biggest needs/ concerns are:

1. OF - With Dye, Erstad, and Pods all question marks for next year, the OF situation is going to be very interesting. Only one out of those three should be counted on as a starter next year. If Dye comes cheap, sign me up. Then we could sign either Pods or Erstad, but not both, to be the 4th outfielder or platoon guy with Sweeney. That still leaves CF to be filled by either Anderson or a free agent. I don't think we're going to pony up for a big free agent like Ichiro, but a 2nd tier free agent like Rowand would be nice.

2. 3rd base - Similar to Dye, if Crede comes cheap sign me up. I don't know if Fields is ready yet, but if Crede fails again we do have Fields as insurance.

2. SS - Maybe Juan is a scapegoat, but he makes me sick. Juan can be hidden on a team that's more successful on offense than the '07 Sox, but IF we go with youth in the outfield and at 3rd base I think we need more out of our shortstop. Ideally we would find a SS that could leadoff so we don't have to rely on Pods.

3. Bullpen - Many would put this as the #1 need, but I don't think we're in as bad of shape as it has looked recently. I wouldn't want Kenny to go at and throw a bunch of money around for bullpen guys. One veteran righty would be nice, but I think we have enough talent on the current staff and in the minors to continue to improve and be more consistent.

4. Starting Pitching - If we trade Buehrle and/or Contreras this quickly vaults near the top. Is Gio or Floyd or somebody else ready to take the 5th starter spot next year? If not we'll be picking through other people's trash for a 5th starter.[/quote

Sorry I think I deleted a sentence or omitted one. :redface:
I didn't mean to imply the slow on the bases was a positive. I meant to say that uribe has more power than the avg. ss but less speed ---He is atypical. Was kinda in a hurry had to take the dog to be groomed.

My point is I think we can sign Beurhle. trade Dye, Gooch, Mack, Contreras (maybe Javy in a big deal -Crawford...maybe not) to bring in talentand fill holes. Then sign maybe Ichiro and Castilla or some other speed guys to fill holes with the money saved. Or we could spend a lot in trade or money for a ss upgrade where we are fine, but not great.

jabrch
07-02-2007, 10:04 AM
Really? I would say that having the lowest OBP in all of Major League Baseball would be a reason. Worse yet, his year-to-year numbers have been in total free-fall since 2004.

No, he is not this team's biggest problem, but he is in a contract year and it is perfectly reasonable for White Sox fans to be clamoring for an offensive upgrade at SS.

Honestly, if my SS plays GG defense and hits for power, I don't give a damn what his OBP is.

I'm in the minority, but I still believe OBP is grossly overrated. Take a league average OBP for a SS and take Uribe - and the difference doesn't equate to that many extra runs over the course of the season.