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Fenway
06-25-2007, 02:52 PM
I have now seen the entire rundown fiasco and it was a doozy.

Now when they ruled bases loaded and 0 outs Ozzie should have gone completely insane but he was pretty low keyed about it. Can you imangin how Earl Weaver, Dick Williams, Lou Piniella heck even Terry Francona would have reacted?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:pIE2MP-59DaaPM:i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jay_mohr/08/10/hot.read/p1_piniella.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jay_mohr/08/10/hot.read/p1_piniella.jpg&imgrefurl=http://viewfromthebleachers.com/%3Fblogid%3D1%26archive%3D2007-03&h=410&w=300&sz=35&tbnid=pIE2MP-59DaaPM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlou%2Bpiniella%26um%3D1&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1)http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:R-ROMbFaUqPpLM:http://detectovision.com/pics/earlweaver.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://detectovision.com/pics/earlweaver.jpg&imgrefurl=http://detectovision.com/%3Fp%3D658&h=243&w=216&sz=14&hl=en&start=7&um=1&tbnid=R-ROMbFaUqPpLM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dearl%2Bweaver%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%2 6hl%3Den)http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:zOFz24HRxkD7qM:http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/12/23/1103817511_1352.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/12/23/1103817511_1352.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.boston.com/news/specials/year_in_review/2004/gallery/2004_year_in_photos_final%3Fpg%3D13&h=378&w=500&sz=156&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=zOFz24HRxkD7qM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dterry%2Bfrancona%2Bumpires%26svnum%3D 10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den)

If nothing else you get the crowd into it and maybe JUST maybe light a spark into your team.

Look we all know the problem that you can't fire 25 players but when nobody is hitting for this long a team usually changes the hitting coach.

Based on the tape I just saw I really wonder if Ozzie even cares anymore. :(:

ND_Sox_Fan
06-25-2007, 02:57 PM
Had the call gone the other way and the upms had let the double play stand, Pinella would have thrown every base into the OF.

kevingrt
06-25-2007, 02:59 PM
I have now seen the entire rundown fiasco and it was a doozy.

Now when they ruled bases loaded and 0 outs Ozzie should have gone completely insane but he was pretty low keyed about it. Can you imangin how Earl Weaver, Dick Williams, Lou Piniella heck even Terry Francona would have reacted?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:pIE2MP-59DaaPM:i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jay_mohr/08/10/hot.read/p1_piniella.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jay_mohr/08/10/hot.read/p1_piniella.jpg&imgrefurl=http://viewfromthebleachers.com/%3Fblogid%3D1%26archive%3D2007-03&h=410&w=300&sz=35&tbnid=pIE2MP-59DaaPM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlou%2Bpiniella%26um%3D1&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1)http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:R-ROMbFaUqPpLM:http://detectovision.com/pics/earlweaver.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://detectovision.com/pics/earlweaver.jpg&imgrefurl=http://detectovision.com/%3Fp%3D658&h=243&w=216&sz=14&hl=en&start=7&um=1&tbnid=R-ROMbFaUqPpLM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dearl%2Bweaver%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%2 6hl%3Den)http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:zOFz24HRxkD7qM:http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/12/23/1103817511_1352.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/12/23/1103817511_1352.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.boston.com/news/specials/year_in_review/2004/gallery/2004_year_in_photos_final%3Fpg%3D13&h=378&w=500&sz=156&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=zOFz24HRxkD7qM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dterry%2Bfrancona%2Bumpires%26svnum%3D 10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den)

If nothing else you get the crowd into it and maybe JUST maybe light a spark into your team.

Look we all know the problem that you can't fire 25 players but when nobody is hitting for this long a team usually changes the hitting coach.

Based on the tape I just saw I really wonder if Ozzie even cares anymore. :(:

Perhaps he knew the fact they made the correct call.

Fenway
06-25-2007, 03:01 PM
Perhaps he knew the fact they made the correct call.

That doesn't matter..................

At that point with the complete disaster of a sweep looming you have to make noise.

Bob G
06-25-2007, 03:03 PM
I was at the game and also surprised that Ozzie remained so calm. According to one of the umpires, Ozzie had to ask to be thrown out. Pretty sad... I sensed the entire crowd was just waiting for Ozzie to go berserk but it never happened. Whether it would have done anything to spark the team .. who knows? But why not try? It was just another pathetic game by a pathetic team.

downstairs
06-25-2007, 03:12 PM
I have now seen the entire rundown fiasco and it was a doozy.

Now when they ruled bases loaded and 0 outs Ozzie should have gone completely insane but he was pretty low keyed about it. Can you imangin how Earl Weaver, Dick Williams, Lou Piniella heck even Terry Francona would have reacted?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:pIE2MP-59DaaPM:i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jay_mohr/08/10/hot.read/p1_piniella.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jay_mohr/08/10/hot.read/p1_piniella.jpg&imgrefurl=http://viewfromthebleachers.com/%3Fblogid%3D1%26archive%3D2007-03&h=410&w=300&sz=35&tbnid=pIE2MP-59DaaPM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlou%2Bpiniella%26um%3D1&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1)http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:R-ROMbFaUqPpLM:http://detectovision.com/pics/earlweaver.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://detectovision.com/pics/earlweaver.jpg&imgrefurl=http://detectovision.com/%3Fp%3D658&h=243&w=216&sz=14&hl=en&start=7&um=1&tbnid=R-ROMbFaUqPpLM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dearl%2Bweaver%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%2 6hl%3Den)http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:zOFz24HRxkD7qM:http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/12/23/1103817511_1352.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/12/23/1103817511_1352.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.boston.com/news/specials/year_in_review/2004/gallery/2004_year_in_photos_final%3Fpg%3D13&h=378&w=500&sz=156&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=zOFz24HRxkD7qM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dterry%2Bfrancona%2Bumpires%26svnum%3D 10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den)

If nothing else you get the crowd into it and maybe JUST maybe light a spark into your team.

Look we all know the problem that you can't fire 25 players but when nobody is hitting for this long a team usually changes the hitting coach.

Based on the tape I just saw I really wonder if Ozzie even cares anymore. :(:

The whole damn crowd was chanting "Ozzie! Ozzie!" fer chrissakes.

Perfect time for a fit of epic proportions. Throw a base. Throw all of the equipment from the dugout onto the field. Refuse to leave.

Heck... I was waiting for Cora to get tossed after he picked up the argument.

I was actually thinking that if I were Hawk Herrelson I would have left the booth and ran onto the field and argued myself. Didn't a Cubs broadcaster get ejected from a game for taunting umps?

(BTW- yes, I know the call was right. But there was no excuse for GETTING IT WRONG the first time.)

downstairs
06-25-2007, 03:13 PM
I was at the game and also surprised that Ozzie remained so calm. According to one of the umpires, Ozzie had to ask to be thrown out. Pretty sad... I sensed the entire crowd was just waiting for Ozzie to go berserk but it never happened. Whether it would have done anything to spark the team .. who knows? But why not try? It was just another pathetic game by a pathetic team.

Baseball is entertainment. People are paying for entertainment. The team is not entertaining in any way- not even "good-bad."

So, yeah, lets just make this thing a circus. Why not. I have no other reason to tune in.

Fenway
06-25-2007, 03:16 PM
I was actually thinking that if I were Hawk Herrelson I would have left the booth and ran onto the field and argued myself. Didn't a Cubs broadcaster get ejected from a game for taunting umps?

(BTW- yes, I know the call was right. But there was no excuse for GETTING IT WRONG the first time.)

I don't know about a Cubs announcer but I remember this


Umpires threatened to forfeit a game against the White Sox in 1981, saying Piersall's taunts in the broadcasting booth were inciting the crowd.

http://espn.go.com/classic/s/piersalljimadd000817.html

AJ Hellraiser
06-25-2007, 03:18 PM
In this situation I feel sorry for Ozzie...

First and foremost, he had to go out there level-headed because he needed a correct explanation... I don't think anyone saw what happened because they were focused on the hit.. as it turns out the umps did get the call right (or at least mostly correct).. I still think Pie should have been ruled out because he did break for home when he didn't have to and we tagged him out

If Ozzie gets tossed then he is all over the news today about how he's on the hot seat and let his emotions get the best of him again and the call was correct so it was just frustration boiling over... I am happier he acted the way he did yesterday, just trying to get a logical explanation rather than go Piniella crazy that day at Wrigley on purpose and in an orchestrated fit...

Keep in mind that in the grand scheme of things, we were down 2-0 at the time and the play didn't make too big a difference.. had it been tied I think he might have acted differently

Boondock Saint
06-25-2007, 03:20 PM
I'm happy that Ozzie didn't blow up yesterday. We're already gonna have to hear more "Ozzie gets ejected yet again!" bullcrap. Why give people reason to further talk crap about our team with an unwarranted blow-up?

spiffie
06-25-2007, 03:21 PM
While watching the CSN broadcast they had a shot of Ozzie that genuinely worried me. It was just a split second during the argument, but the look in Ozzie's eyes was so beyond defeated and worn down that he looked like he might just quit right there on the field. He didn't look angry or anything, he just looked beaten.

4th Gen. Sox Fan
06-25-2007, 03:31 PM
I was actually thinking that if I were Hawk Herrelson I would have left the booth and ran onto the field and argued myself. Didn't a Cubs broadcaster get ejected from a game for taunting umps?

I remember that Steve McMichael said, before singing 'Take Me Out To The Ballgame' something like "I'm gonna have some speech with that Ump after the game." The Ump then had him kicked out of the stadium

102605
06-25-2007, 03:35 PM
I think the umpires unfortunately made the right call. The play should have been dead after Uribe made a boneheaded mistake. Thats the rules.

I'm glad Ozzie didn't go out there and embarrass himself or the White Sox more than they already are.

Fenway, you think Ozzie should be bringing more attention to himself and the team? I think not! We were down 2 runs already anyways. We all know that equals game over.

Fenway
06-25-2007, 03:41 PM
Fenway, you think Ozzie should be bringing more attention to himself and the team? I think not! We were down 2 runs already anyways. We all know that equals game over.

Sunday was a game the Sox absolutely had to win for a variety of reasons.

ummm hate to say this but the Cubs have played a lot better since Lou had his meltdown a couple of weeks ago

Martinigirl
06-25-2007, 03:54 PM
Sunday was a game the Sox absolutely had to win for a variety of reasons.

ummm hate to say this but the Cubs have played a lot better since Lou had his meltdown a couple of weeks ago

For a manager that was supposed to be so fiery and full of passion, Ozzie looked totally indifferent out there. He looked totally and utterly defeated out there, just like his team.

I am not saying having a hissy fit would have won the game, but someone showing some spark might be a nice change of pace for 2007 White Sox.

The Racehorse
06-25-2007, 03:55 PM
ummm hate to say this but the Cubs have played a lot better since Lou had his meltdown a couple of weeks ago

Too me, the Cubs playing better goes directly to the Cubs pitchers knowing that Barrett was on the express lane out of Chicago.

tebman
06-25-2007, 03:56 PM
While watching the CSN broadcast they had a shot of Ozzie that genuinely worried me. It was just a split second during the argument, but the look in Ozzie's eyes was so beyond defeated and worn down that he looked like he might just quit right there on the field. He didn't look angry or anything, he just looked beaten.
I saw that too and was thinking the same thing. I know I'm kidding myself thinking I can read somebody's mind by seeing his face from some distance on TV, but the first thing that came to my mind was that he looked beaten.

I read the game report Sunday night in the online Sun-Times and West, the umpire, was quoted as saying that Ozzie was "a complete gentleman" and agreed it was the right call. They'd talked for a while and Guillen told West, "you're going to have to run me." So he did.

I don't know, but I'm guessing that Guillen saw Uribe's bonehead interference and wasn't surprised by the call but feeling like he needed to do something, he practically asked to be thrown out.

When it rains, it pours.

I_Liked_Manuel
06-25-2007, 03:58 PM
I was at the game and also surprised that Ozzie remained so calm. According to one of the umpires, Ozzie had to ask to be thrown out. Pretty sad... I sensed the entire crowd was just waiting for Ozzie to go berserk but it never happened. Whether it would have done anything to spark the team .. who knows? But why not try? It was just another pathetic game by a pathetic team.

does anybody have a link for this?

goon
06-25-2007, 04:03 PM
Too me, the Cubs playing better goes directly to the Cubs pitchers knowing that Barrett was on the express lane out of Chicago.


That and they caught a lot of teams when they were playing bad IE. Seattle, Atlanta, Houston and the Sox.

The Cubs have a chance because of the division they play in, but let's be honest, they're still a sub .500 team. Lou can have all the meltdowns he wants to, it's not going to make the "talent" on the Cubs magically turn into a dominate force.

If the Cubs win, it's due to the lack of good teams in the NL, not because of Lou .

tebman
06-25-2007, 04:05 PM
does anybody have a link for this?

Link (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/441672,0624_crosstown.article)

Crew chief Joe West said Guillen acted like a gentleman and did not use profanity, but asked to be thrown out of the game.
''You can't blame him. It was a messed-up play that you don't see very often. Uribe is not known for trying to cheat or get in somebody's way, but it happens,'' West said. ''He got two outs and he ended up getting no outs and that's why Ozzie said, 'You're just going to have to run me.'''

southside rocks
06-25-2007, 04:10 PM
Sunday was a game the Sox absolutely had to win for a variety of reasons.

ummm hate to say this but the Cubs have played a lot better since Lou had his meltdown a couple of weeks ago

Well, I can't see how Ozzie throwing a fit would have won the game for the Sox. As Ozzie said afterwards, 'we didn't lose the game because of that play.' Anybody who thinks that the sight of Ozzie kicking dirt onto an umpire would cause Rob Mackowiak to suddenly be able to hit with RISP, needs to quit bogarting the joint and pass it over to me.

And I'm not sure I buy that the Cubs have played "a lot better" since the June 2 ejection of their manager. Before this series, in which they whipped the worst team in baseball, the Cubs were 10 and 8 following Lou's meltdown. Um, if that's playing "a lot better", that's kind of sad. But who knows, perhaps this is the beginning of the Flubbies' Run To Greatness. :rolleyes:

I think there are less romantic reasons for the Cubs improved play, like Soriano finally coming alive, and Barrett being gone, and the fact that they have guys who are actually batting more than .240. Seems so exotic -- I hear you can win ballgames that way!

kevingrt
06-25-2007, 04:17 PM
I think the whole team looks defeated. And no one in particular can do much about it. Hell I think us fans feel defeated. It isn't even a mad as hell we suck. It is mroe of well we suck, this sucks.

Lip Man 1
06-25-2007, 04:42 PM
Ozzie hasn't been the same since his "incident" with a local media columnist.

Lip

WhiteSox5187
06-25-2007, 04:48 PM
Ozzie hasn't been the same since his "incident" with a local media columnist.

Lip
I kinda noticed that too...maybe the sensitivity classes worked too well???

Truth be told, I think this whole team feels beaten. It can't be any fun to be on that team.

southside rocks
06-25-2007, 04:59 PM
I kinda noticed that too...maybe the sensitivity classes worked too well???

Truth be told, I think this whole team feels beaten. It can't be any fun to be on that team.

The Daily Southtown beat writer, in his blog, says that the team has come to accept losing.

http://blogs.dailysouthtown.com/whalen/2007/06/wheres_the_anger_hunger_etc.html

As a fan, I don't think I can accept that. So back up the truck and let the sale begin. :(:

Frontman
06-25-2007, 06:07 PM
Well, Ozzie still got tossed. He started to argue it, he continued to argue it. He handled it professionally. If he would of gone all deep end crazy, they would be roasting him alive today.

oeo
06-25-2007, 06:23 PM
Sunday was a game the Sox absolutely had to win for a variety of reasons.

ummm hate to say this but the Cubs have played a lot better since Lou had his meltdown a couple of weeks ago

Ummm hate to say it but that doesn't work for every team. Ozzie has tried everything with this team. He's tried to put the blame on himself, then the players; he's tried to put all the media attention on himself instead of the team. It's the ****ing team...Ozzie has tried and tried and tried to get them going but they don't respond to anything.

Winning yesterday wouldn't have changed anything...except maybe you wouldn't be here acting like a troll (which is very unlike you, BTW).

NSSoxFan
06-25-2007, 06:28 PM
Number of World Series Championships

Ozzie 1
Fenway 0

JB98
06-25-2007, 06:28 PM
Ummm hate to say it but that doesn't work for every team. Ozzie has tried everything with this team. He's tried to put the blame on himself, then the players; he's tried to put all the media attention on himself instead of the team. It's the ****ing team...Ozzie has tried and tried and tried to get them going but they don't respond to anything.

Winning yesterday wouldn't have changed anything...except maybe you wouldn't be here acting like a troll (which is very unlike you, BTW).

As long as Rob Mackowiak, Luis Terrero and Juan Uribe are going to play every day, we're going to suck no matter what Ozzie does.

"If you no have the ammunition, then you no win the ****ing war."

Vernam
06-25-2007, 06:29 PM
This is classic stuff. Last year everyone was moaning that his off-color quotes and other antics were an embarrassment to the team. Now, when the team is truly an embarrassment to us all, Ozzie gets criticized for taking the high road and not having a meltdown when the umps made the right call. :rolleyes:

Vernam

Vernam
06-25-2007, 06:44 PM
The Daily Southtown beat writer, in his blog, says that the team has come to accept losing.

http://blogs.dailysouthtown.com/whalen/2007/06/wheres_the_anger_hunger_etc.html
:bs: That's exactly what people were saying in August and September 2005. I'm obviously not claiming it will work out this year, but these guys didn't suddenly turn into pieces of **** who just show up for the paycheck. I wouldn't mind hearing that someone had overturned a buffet table, but IMO it's ridiculous to claim they don't care.

Vernam

southside rocks
06-25-2007, 07:45 PM
:bs: That's exactly what people were saying in August and September 2005. I'm obviously not claiming it will work out this year, but these guys didn't suddenly turn into pieces of **** who just show up for the paycheck. I wouldn't mind hearing that someone had overturned a buffet table, but IMO it's ridiculous to claim they don't care.

Vernam

I don't think that Whalen wrote that they don't care ... just that they have gotten used to losing. Which actually is a little more demoralizing than if they didn't care. Some people might dismiss that as just semantics, but it made sense to me.

This team looks like it has forgotten how to win. Not that it doesn't want to win, but it just doesn't know how. What caused this sudden amnesia, I have no idea. Clearly, it's driving everybody crazy, from management to players to fans.

starboy0
06-25-2007, 07:52 PM
While watching the CSN broadcast they had a shot of Ozzie that genuinely worried me. It was just a split second during the argument, but the look in Ozzie's eyes was so beyond defeated and worn down that he looked like he might just quit right there on the field. He didn't look angry or anything, he just looked beaten.

Great observation. I wonder how many of the other players are feeling the same way right now.

A. Cavatica
06-25-2007, 09:31 PM
Sunday was a game the Sox absolutely had to win for a variety of reasons.

I completely disagree with this. It's just one win in a season where they're going to fall ten or more short of a playoff spot. In fact, it may turn out to be a good thing, because this team needed to hit rock bottom before it would consider the drastic measures needed to improve for next season.

chitownhawkfan
06-27-2007, 12:22 AM
If only Ozzie would have thrown some bases 15 games ago we wouldn't be in this situation. *****

When he goes crazy people complain, when he maintains calm people complain, I dont know what they want from him?

TornLabrum
06-27-2007, 09:09 AM
It's really simple. They want Ozzie to make the team win.