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Viva Medias B's
06-12-2007, 08:37 AM
The White Sox are leaving Tucson Electric Park as early as after Spring Training 2008, and now the Arizona Daily Star is reporting (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/187159) that the Tucson Sidewinders (Arizona Diamondbacks AAA affiliate) are being sold and will relocate to Reno, Nevada, after the 2008 season. This would be a blow to Tucson Electric Park, a modern facility with one of the best backdrops in all of sports (Catalina Mountains). Starting in 2009, it would only be used one month out of the year with the Diamondbacks and the White Sox (or whomever the Sox get to replace them there if they leave before their lease expires after 2013) having their spring training games there.

Medford Bobby
06-12-2007, 10:29 AM
:o:It was a shock to see that headline as I opened my morning Red Star this morning on line. I remember all the hoopla back in 1998 that the club would have moved had not the Zuckers purchised the club. Actually the Tucson club did move to Fresno and the Phoenix Firebirds became the Sidewinders.....History I had already forgotten. I use to have a lot of fun in 80's and 90's when the Toros played at Hi-Corbett on those hot summer nights. The move to TEP did not become hot spot for summer baseball the owners hoped it would have. It still a fun family spot for baseball.....but now what?:whiner:

michned
06-12-2007, 10:39 AM
It's not too much of a surprise. There has been talk of Jay Zucker wanting to sell the team for some time, and Reno has been trying to get a team.

Without regurgitating old threads, this has to go back to the county building the stadium in a spot that nobody really wants to go to, especially at night. There is no security in the parking lot, and the last Sidewinders game I went to last year, my car was broken into - by sheer luck we left the game early before the thiefs could get it started and drive away. The responding officer said TEP is the number two place in Tucson for car theft, the movie theater at Grant/I-10 being number one.

I don't blame Zucker. He has been a great owner, and I think he has really tried to make it work down here.

Chicken Dinner
06-12-2007, 11:12 AM
It's not too much of a surprise. There has been talk of Jay Zucker wanting to sell the team for some time, and Reno has been trying to get a team.

Without regurgitating old threads, this has to go back to the county building the stadium in a spot that nobody really wants to go to, especially at night. There is no security in the parking lot, and the last Sidewinders game I went to last year, my car was broken into - by sheer luck we left the game early before the thiefs could get it started and drive away. The responding officer said TEP is the number two place in Tucson for car theft, the movie theater at Grant/I-10 being number one.

I don't blame Zucker. He has been a great owner, and I think he has really tried to make it work down here.

Not to mention there's no tail-gating at TEP because it's own'd by the Park District and there's no alcohol consumption allowed on PD land. There sure seemed to be plenty of cops around when I cracked open my beer in the parking lot during spring training.

Medford Bobby
06-12-2007, 02:50 PM
Not to mention there's no tail-gating at TEP because it's own'd by the Park District and there's no alcohol consumption allowed on PD land. There sure seemed to be plenty of cops around when I cracked open my beer in the parking lot during spring training.

You mean if you have an open beer half the local SWAT teams show up, but if you leave your car there... there is no law enforcement anywhere to be seen???:angry:

michned
06-12-2007, 06:45 PM
You mean if you have an open beer half the local SWAT teams show up, but if you leave your car there... there is no law enforcement anywhere to be seen???:angry:

During Spring Training you have to pay for parking so it is routinely patrolled but the Sidewinders do not charge for parking so it is pretty much fend for yourself in the summer.

Viva Medias B's
06-12-2007, 08:10 PM
It's not too much of a surprise. There has been talk of Jay Zucker wanting to sell the team for some time, and Reno has been trying to get a team.

Without regurgitating old threads, this has to go back to the county building the stadium in a spot that nobody really wants to go to, especially at night. There is no security in the parking lot, and the last Sidewinders game I went to last year, my car was broken into - by sheer luck we left the game early before the thiefs could get it started and drive away. The responding officer said TEP is the number two place in Tucson for car theft, the movie theater at Grant/I-10 being number one.

I don't blame Zucker. He has been a great owner, and I think he has really tried to make it work down here.

The car theft thing surprises me at TEP. Whenever I've been in Tucson, I've stayed at the nearby Holiday Inn Palo Verde which also has a big parking lot, and my rentals cars have never been disturbed. As for talk that TEP should have been built in downtown Tucson, is does not seem there is much to do there either. I think a better spot would have been somewhere around 4th Street/University Avenue, right near UA.

Meanwhile, Zucker said that the move to Reno is not (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/187201.php) a done deal.

Also, in today's Arizona Daily Star, Pima County officials believe the loss of the Sidewinders would not be a big deal (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/187322) because they bring so little into the county's coffers. More money is made on spring training, concerts, and the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show.

Medford Bobby
06-13-2007, 10:50 AM
:o:But no more "Thirtsy Thursdays"? :o:

Fenway
06-13-2007, 11:01 AM
Hmmm some big money guys behind this

Manhattan Capital Sports, through its affiliate SK Baseball, has acquired the Tucson Sidewinders of the Pacific Coast League. Jerry and Stuart Katzoff, a father and son from New York City, and major mall developer Herb Simon, a co-owner of the NBA's Indiana Pacers, own SK Baseball

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070613/SPORTS01/706130451/1018/SPORTS

That said Reno looks at first glance to be too small a market for AAA ( 400,560 ) PLUS keep in mind that many people who work in Reno work 4 to Midnight in the casinos )

Steelrod
06-13-2007, 11:43 AM
The car theft thing surprises me at TEP. Whenever I've been in Tucson, I've stayed at the nearby Holiday Inn Palo Verde which also has a big parking lot, and my rentals cars have never been disturbed. As for talk that TEP should have been built in downtown Tucson, is does not seem there is much to do there either. I think a better spot would have been somewhere around 4th Street/University Avenue, right near UA.

Meanwhile, Zucker said that the move to Reno is not (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/187201.php) a done deal.

Also, in today's Arizona Daily Star, Pima County officials believe the loss of the Sidewinders would not be a big deal (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/187322) because they bring so little into the county's coffers. More money is made on spring training, concerts, and the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show.
There must be a reason that The Holiday Inn Palo Verde has a wroght iron fence around it!

michned
06-13-2007, 11:47 AM
:o:But no more "Thirtsy Thursdays"? :o:

I was actually more of a fan of 25 cent hot dog night. :smile:

michned
06-13-2007, 11:50 AM
The car theft thing surprises me at TEP. Whenever I've been in Tucson, I've stayed at the nearby Holiday Inn Palo Verde which also has a big parking lot, and my rentals cars have never been disturbed. As for talk that TEP should have been built in downtown Tucson, is does not seem there is much to do there either. I think a better spot would have been somewhere around 4th Street/University Avenue, right near UA.

The city wanted it built there as a starting point for redevelopment, the way downtown Phoenix has taken off since the building of the sports stadiums down there. The redevelopment is starting now, but maybe it could have started ten years sooner.

Viva Medias B's
06-13-2007, 04:56 PM
There must be a reason that The Holiday Inn Palo Verde has a wroght iron fence around it!

Actually, it's adobe I think and very accessbile to pedestrians.