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Fenway
06-11-2007, 11:09 AM
The Phillies have now lost 9987 games and are only 13 away from becoming the first pro team to lose 10,000 games.

We can laugh at the Flubs all we want but the Phillies really are the most inept club in MLB history.

Since 1883

The Philadelphia Phillies have been in the post season just 9 times, won 5 pennants and 1 WORLD SERIES in their history.

http://www.countdownto10000.com/

EastCoastSoxFan
06-11-2007, 11:14 AM
Yeah, other than about a 9-year stretch (1975-1983) and an occasional '83 White Sox-esque one-year breakout (1915, 1950, 1993), they have been a model of mediocrity (and, at times, out-and-out ineptitude) for over a century.
I had no idea they were closing in on 5 digits, though.
Methinks the Cubs can't be too far behind...

balke
06-11-2007, 11:16 AM
Yeah but their fans are cooler, and they have won one. They also don't talk curses from what I know Although on Wikipedia it says there's some new "Billy Penn" curse which covers the city.

I'm baffled the talent that has been there that they can't win. Even this season, I thought they'd shock MLB and take the East. But Myers goes down, Freddy goes down, and the defense lost a ton of games for them early in the season.

Howard-Utley-Rollins-Barajas-Rowand-Victorino-Burrell... these are good hitters and there's some good D in the outfield. Then Dobbs filling in has been brilliant.

I wonder if they Sox could snag away a player or two if the Phils get close to competing for the division. The Sox could use Victorino in the lineup. And I drool at the thought of getting Utley or Rollins on this team somehow (but I realize there's no way).

downstairs
06-11-2007, 11:20 AM
Yeah, other than about a 9-year stretch (1975-1983) and an occasional '83 White Sox-esque one-year breakout (1915, 1950, 1993), they have been a model of mediocrity (and, at times, out-and-out ineptitude) for over a century.
I had no idea they were closing in on 5 digits, though.
Methinks the Cubs can't be too far behind...

The Cubs were great at the beginning of the last century, and had long flashes of being very good. They're right now 9927-9416. They'll get 10,000 wins well before 10,000 losses.

The Sox are 8327-8124, BTW.

Oh, and, if you think the Yankees would have the most all time, you'd be wrong. That's the Giants:

10,141-8667

Fenway
06-11-2007, 11:20 AM
Yeah, other than about a 9-year stretch (1975-1983) and an occasional '83 White Sox-esque one-year breakout (1915, 1950, 1993), they have been a model of mediocrity (and, at times, out-and-out ineptitude) for over a century.
I had no idea they were closing in on 5 digits, though.
Methinks the Cubs can't be too far behind...

Cubbies will get to 10000 wins first ( they actually over .500 ) 9927-9416

Cubs have the second most wins of any team trailing San Francisco ( only team with more than 10,000 wins )

This site is up to date
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/

downstairs
06-11-2007, 11:22 AM
BTW if they continue at .500... they'll hit 10,000 the game before or after the All-Star Break.

EastCoastSoxFan
06-11-2007, 11:25 AM
I wonder if they Sox could snag away a player or two if the Phils get close to competing for the division. The Sox could use Victorino in the lineup. And I drool at the thought of getting Utley or Rollins on this team somehow.Rollins -- pass. He swings for the fences way too much for a leadoff hitter. I don't have his OBP numbers in front of me, but all I hear is talk about how they're too low.
Victorino -- solid. Good contact hitter, fast centerfielder.
Utley -- would love to have him, but he and Ryan Howard are considered "untouchables".

The Phillies, as usual, are a good team; but in order to win the World Series you have to be better than 29 other teams, a point that thankfully has not been lost on Kenny Williams (this year's struggles notwithstanding)...

TDog
06-11-2007, 11:28 AM
I worked with a Phillies fan at my last job. When I pleaded poverty as a White Sox fan, he said there was no comparison, that even the Cubs had a storied history compared to the Phillies. Just the one championship. That's all. And while the Cubs have 1969, the Phillies have 1964. When I started following baseball in 1969, people told me Gene Mauch was a genius. I never understood why.

The Phillies didn't go a century without a championship the way the Cubs could. But what they have done since 1883 makes the current White Sox season look successful.

Fenway
06-11-2007, 11:33 AM
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balke
06-11-2007, 11:34 AM
Rollins -- pass. He swings for the fences way too much for a leadoff hitter. I don't have his OBP numbers in front of me, but all I hear is talk about how they're too low.
Victorino -- solid. Good contact hitter, fast centerfielder.
Utley -- would love to have him, but he and Ryan Howard are considered "untouchables".

The Phillies, as usual, are a good team; but in order to win the World Series you have to be better than 29 other teams, a point that thankfully has not been lost on Kenny Williams (this year's struggles notwithstanding)...

He's on base enough to score about 120 runs a season, which is good enough for me. OBP. doesn't mean much if you don't put yourself in scoring position. he doubles about 45 times a season, hits about 12 triples, steals about 40 bags. Oh yeah, he also hits can hit himself in 25 times. That's AWESOME production out of a leadoff hitter. You can put an OBP guy in the 2 hole if you really want someone on base that much. Just think of Iguchi or Erstad slap hitting with Rollins on second all season.

Hitmen77
06-11-2007, 12:10 PM
The Phillies have now lost 9987 games and are only 13 away from becoming the first pro team to lose 10,000 games.

We can laugh at the Flubs all we want but the Phillies really are the most inept club in MLB history.

Since 1883

The Philadelphia Phillies have been in the post season just 9 times, won 5 pennants and 1 WORLD SERIES in their history.

http://www.countdownto10000.com/

...and yet the franchise that has won 9 World Series championships (5 in Philly and 4 more since leaving) is the one that Philadelphia didn't keep. Are there any old-timers in Philadelphia who are still A's fans?

Amazing that the Phillies (one of the original 16 MLB teams) had to wait until 1980 to win the World Series.

gobears1987
06-11-2007, 12:36 PM
The Cubs were great at the beginning of the last century, and had long flashes of being very good. They're right now 9927-9416. They'll get 10,000 wins well before 10,000 losses.

The Sox are 8327-8124, BTW.

Oh, and, if you think the Yankees would have the most all time, you'd be wrong. That's the Giants:

10,141-8667
That's no surprise as the Giants had a 25 year head start.

CLR01
06-11-2007, 12:49 PM
Good thing they have Rowand now. They won't reach the 10,000 mark until he is gone. He turned that team around and rejuvenated baseball in Philly.

Fenway
06-11-2007, 12:54 PM
Good thing they have Rowand now. They won't reach the 10,000 mark until he is gone. He turned that team around and rejuvenated baseball in Philly.

rumors flying Rowand maybe Boston bound to replace Coco

balke
06-11-2007, 01:08 PM
rumors flying Rowand maybe Boston bound to replace Coco

Interesting, but I don't see what the Phillies would be getting out of the deal. Money?

Steelrod
06-11-2007, 01:16 PM
Interesting, but I don't see what the Phillies would be getting out of the deal. Money? Free agent at the end of the season and they have his replacement in the minors.

DumpJerry
06-11-2007, 01:20 PM
rumors flying Rowand maybe Boston bound to replace Coco
That should please some people here who keep wishing Arow would be with the Sox.

Lip Man 1
06-11-2007, 01:22 PM
The Phillies also hold the MLB record for the most consecutive home post season losses with ten.

The White Sox are second with nine.

Lip

hose
06-11-2007, 01:44 PM
The Cubs were actually a pretty solid franchise up to 1945.

CLR01
06-11-2007, 01:45 PM
rumors flying Rowand maybe Boston bound to replace Coco

That should guarantee Boston wins the next 10 world series.

Fenway
06-11-2007, 01:51 PM
That should guarantee Boston wins the next 10 world series.
:bandance:

Foulke You
06-11-2007, 02:08 PM
Hopefully, by Wednesday afternoon, the Phillies will be 3 closer to that 10000 loss mark.:cool:

PKalltheway
06-11-2007, 02:09 PM
Phils also hold the record for most 100-loss seasons with 14, including 5 years in a row with at least 100 losses at one point! There was one ten year stretch in which the Phils lost 100 games 7 times!!:o::o::o: For the sake of comparing them to another team, the Cincinnati Reds have only had one 100 loss season dating back to 1882!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PHI/

Foulke You
06-11-2007, 02:10 PM
I'm baffled the talent that has been there that they can't win. Even this season, I thought they'd shock MLB and take the East. But Myers goes down, Freddy goes down, and the defense lost a ton of games for them early in the season.
I thought the Phils would be much better too. However, I made that assumption based on a healthy Freddy being let loose in the NL. If he was healthy, I had him penciled in for 16 wins. In addition to Freddy's injury, I don't think very highly of Charlie Manuel as a manager.

EastCoastSoxFan
06-11-2007, 03:24 PM
I don't think very highly of Charlie Manuel as a manager.Really? The fans out here all love him.
(Sorry, it's just been so long since I've used teal...)

HotelWhiteSox
06-11-2007, 03:50 PM
Trade for Rollins and Rowand. Solve your leadoff and LF prob quick.

I would love Rollins though, he was one of the guys I was making up trade proposals for in the offseason, but I knew it wouldn't happen. Garcia, Uribe, Podsednik for Rollins, Rowand, Gio

FedEx227
06-11-2007, 06:29 PM
He's on base enough to score about 120 runs a season, which is good enough for me. OBP. doesn't mean much if you don't put yourself in scoring position. he doubles about 45 times a season, hits about 12 triples, steals about 40 bags. Oh yeah, he also hits can hit himself in 25 times. That's AWESOME production out of a leadoff hitter. You can put an OBP guy in the 2 hole if you really want someone on base that much. Just think of Iguchi or Erstad slap hitting with Rollins on second all season.

Exactly what I was going to say. Yeah, Rollins doesn't put himself on-base all that much, but when he does he makes the most of it.

OPS
2005: .769 (46th in NL)
2006: .812 (39th in NL)
2007: .834 (32nd in NL)

This year he's also 19th in the NL in SLG.

Certainty not amazing, but I'd still take him on the Sox.

Tragg
06-11-2007, 06:38 PM
The thing about the Phillies is that since I've been following baseball -the Phillies made 2 WS, won 1 and made the playoffs several times. So to me, they aren't that bad. Until the mid 1990s, I always considered a team like the Indians just awful; a kid today, might say the same about storied teams like the Reds and Pirates.

What's weird is how the much more successful As got run out of town and the Phils did not.

Hitmen77
06-11-2007, 11:04 PM
The thing about the Phillies is that since I've been following baseball -the Phillies made 2 WS, won 1 and made the playoffs several times. So to me, they aren't that bad. Until the mid 1990s, I always considered a team like the Indians just awful; a kid today, might say the same about storied teams like the Reds and Pirates.

What's weird is how the much more successful As got run out of town and the Phils did not.

They have actually won 3 pennants since 1980 ('80, '83, '93). (I wasn't sure if you meant they made 2 WS plus won 1)

MRM
06-12-2007, 03:17 AM
San Francisco ( only team with more than 10,000 wins )

WOW. That's a lot of wins for San Francisco considering they've only had a team for 49 years :D: (The Giants moved to San Fran in 1958. Before that they played in various places in New York since 1883)

81 wins per year for their existence isn't all that impressive if you ask me.

Nellie_Fox
06-12-2007, 03:23 AM
81 wins per year for their existence isn't all that impressive if you ask me.Since the season was 154 games for most of their existence, it's above .500, which is good when it's over that many years.