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CLR01
06-09-2007, 07:01 PM
Look at the bright side, we did win 26 games earlier in the year so we can't lose them all.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:01 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.

JohnTucker0814
06-09-2007, 07:02 PM
You can throw 3 straight curveballs low and inside and strike out Mack... terrible!

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:02 PM
the question is...when will we win another game? next week maybe?

CLR01
06-09-2007, 07:02 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.


Don't forget to share.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:03 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.

This team is on the verge of breaking out of this, and when they do they're going to go on a nice run.

ShoelessJoeS
06-09-2007, 07:03 PM
Soooo, 3 or less runs in 10 of the last 11 games now...

Ouch.

getonbckthr
06-09-2007, 07:03 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.
Where is this at?

cleanwsox
06-09-2007, 07:03 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.

That 7 for 31 today is really showing that.

getonbckthr
06-09-2007, 07:04 PM
This team is on the verge of breaking out of this, and when they do they're going to go on a nice run.
I've heard that since ohhhh May.............of 06.

Tragg
06-09-2007, 07:04 PM
Bunting in the 9th inning when down a run- give away 1/3 of our outs when we struggle getting hits and not let clearly the best hitter of the next 3 get chance to hit (unless someone gets a hit before him). I guess it's a matter of philosophy, but I did a dance when Garner threw away 33% of his remaining outs in game 4.

Jjav829
06-09-2007, 07:04 PM
It's too predictable at this point. Could they at least start losing in different ways?

At one point in about the 5th inning, Brenneman said something to the effect of, "Typical White Sox game to this point. Good outing by a starter, but no offense to be found." My thought was, "Yep, and our bullpen will ultimately lose it." Sure enough...

getonbckthr
06-09-2007, 07:04 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.
POTW

Jjav829
06-09-2007, 07:05 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.

Yay! 2 runs today! They're scorching now! Maybe we can go for 3 runs by next weekend...:bandance:

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:05 PM
I've heard that since ohhhh May.............of 06.

You need to check your calendar again, because this team was on fire in May of '06.

DickAllen72
06-09-2007, 07:05 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.
I was shocked. Thome seldom does that late in the game.

Dye and Konerko have been killing this team.

That ball to Fields in the ninth was an error. Tough break for Jenks.

Looks like the Sox really suck. Too bad they can't sell off guys like Dye and Crede, because they wouldn't get anything for them the way they've been playing anyway.

I've tried to remain optimistic, but it looks like the window has closed. I guess it's time to forget about baseball.

102605
06-09-2007, 07:06 PM
Its officially funny now at least.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:06 PM
That 7 for 31 today is really showing that.

2 for 4 in the 8th inning alone though.

cleanwsox
06-09-2007, 07:07 PM
2 for 4 in the 8th inning alone though.

0-4 after we tied it up though

getonbckthr
06-09-2007, 07:08 PM
2 for 4 in the 8th inning alone though.
Unfortunately all 9 innings count.

ShoelessJoeS
06-09-2007, 07:08 PM
It's too predictable at this point. Could they at least start losing in different ways?

At one point in about the 5th inning, Brenneman said something to the effect of, "Typical White Sox game to this point. Good outing by a starter, but no offense to be found." My thought was, "Yep, and our bullpen will ultimately lose it." Sure enough...It is really that predictable, isn't it?

:(:

CLR01
06-09-2007, 07:08 PM
Someone should send Geraldo to look in the Sox locker room to see if anyone is actually there.

Bulls_Fan
06-09-2007, 07:09 PM
2 for 4 in the 8th inning alone though.

Woohoo. This return of the offense is just mind-alterting!

We lost a series to the Astros. Didn't they come into this series losing 16 out of 20? I guess we are trying to match that futility with our effort of late.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:09 PM
Unfortunately all 9 innings count.


True , but in a statistical sense that 2 for 4 in the 8th inning would be considered LIPS (late inning pressure situation).

soltrain21
06-09-2007, 07:09 PM
2 for 4 in the 8th inning alone though.

Big ****ing deal. Scoring two runs in an inning is going to happen, but it doesn't nearly happen NEARLY enough for us.


I think its about time to mail it in.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:09 PM
Bunting in the 9th inning when down a run- give away 1/3 of our outs when we struggle getting hits and not let clearly the best hitter of the next 3 get chance to hit (unless someone gets a hit before him). I guess it's a matter of philosophy, but I did a dance when Garner threw away 33% of his remaining outs in game 4.

I agree with this 100% and have never understood the philosophy of the sac bunt in that situation. I too was extremely happy when Garner blew an out with the Ausmus sacrifice bunt in '05.

getonbckthr
06-09-2007, 07:10 PM
True , but in a statistical sense that 2 for 4 in the 8th inning would be considered LIPS (late inning pressure situation).
So does the 9th how did that workout for us?

Malgar 12
06-09-2007, 07:10 PM
I've heard that since ohhhh May.............of 06.

Don't be such a DARK CLOUD...

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:10 PM
2 for 4 in the 8th inning alone though.
So 4 at-bats is enough to tell you that this team is headed in the right direction.

You could at least say something like "Juan Uribe surpassed his walk total from all of last year, so Walker is doing a good job."

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2007, 07:11 PM
Crap! This team has only won TWO games these past two weeks! That is BRUTAL!!! And, there's no reason for it! We're not playing the Red Sox or Mets here! When will the nightmare end???

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:11 PM
So does the 9th how did that workout for us?


With uribes walk, our .OBP in the 9th was .250. That's not horrible.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:11 PM
I've heard that since ohhhh May.............of 06.

The Sox ended May '06 with a record that was 14 games over .500. At one point in July, they were 25 games over .500.

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2007, 07:12 PM
The Sox ended May '06 with a record that was 14 games over .500. At one point in July, they were 25 games over .500.
And then came August...

CLR01
06-09-2007, 07:13 PM
So does the 9th how did that workout for us?


0-2 with a walk and sacrifice. That's 2 for 6 or a .333 average. This team is back!!!!

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:13 PM
i dont think ozzie is going to stick around after this year

cleanwsox
06-09-2007, 07:13 PM
With uribes walk, our .OBP in the 9th was .250. That's not horrible.


Yes it is.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:14 PM
And then came August...

Right. But someone said they've been crap since May of '06. This team was the best team in baseball in May-June '06, and that includes the Tigers.

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2007, 07:14 PM
i dont think ozzie is going to stick around after this year
He certainly isn't lighting any fire under these guys.

Jjav829
06-09-2007, 07:14 PM
0-2 with a walk and sacrifice. That's 2 for 6 or a .333 average. This team is back!!!!


The Sox didn't make an out in the 10th inning! :mg: This team is amazing! Will they ever cool off?

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:14 PM
With uribes walk, our .OBP in the 9th was .250. That's not horrible.
:rolling:

Patrick134 = http://www.tigersweat.com/images/anim15.jpg

ozzie is god
06-09-2007, 07:15 PM
I okay with a white flag #2. Anyone to Angels or LAD. They have a deep farm system. Man this is unwatchable.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:15 PM
He certainly isn't lighting any fire under these guys.

I'd like to see you try to light a fire under Luis Terrero's ass. Let me know how that turns out.

Ozzie's doing the best he can with what he's got right now.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:16 PM
He certainly isn't lighting any fire under these guys.


This isn't little league. if guys were paid by the hit, we'd have a team batting average of about .397 now

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:16 PM
i just love how ozzies "motivational method" for this team is to just keep repeating that he is embarassed....i seriously think it will take a face to face hostile confronatation with someone on this team to get some life out of them...if anything it would at least show this team had some life to it, granted it might be damaging but just a sign that this team has a pulse would be nice.

Blueprint1
06-09-2007, 07:16 PM
Well one thing is for sure we need some hitting next year.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:18 PM
i just love how ozzies "motivational method" for this team is to just keep repeating that he is embarassed....i seriously think it will take a face to face hostile confronatation with someone on this team to get some life out of them...if anything it would at least show this team had some life to it, granted it might be damaging but just a sign that this team has a pulse would be nice.


Don't equate "life" with statistics or wins. These guys are busting their tails every day out there. I've never seen a team work so hard.

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:19 PM
Well one thing is for sure we need some hitting next year.
http://dugoutdiary.mlblogs.com/dugout_diary_by_joe_boesc/images/arod.jpg

you rang?

Tragg
06-09-2007, 07:19 PM
I'd like to see you try to light a fire under Luis Terrero's ass. Let me know how that turns out.

Ozzie's doing the best he can with what he's got right now.

I can't fault him for motivation or anything like that. What's he supposed to do? And for some of these players, it's lack of talent not motivation. Utility-level players in starting positions; young players with potential, but not ready for the show yet, in starting positions.

I question some of his decision-making on offense (a lot of the bunting; non-obp hitters at leadoff), but it's a matter of philosophy I guess.

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:20 PM
Don't equate "life" with statistics or wins. These guys are busting their tails every day out there. I've never seen a team work so hard.
:hawk
"Both you and me Pat. I never seen a team with this much talent struggle for this long."

What about the two players who were watching movies in the Cleveland clubhouse instead of scouting tapes? How much working out or practice have you actually seen the Sox do this year?

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:20 PM
Don't equate "life" with statistics or wins. These guys are busting their tails every day out there. I've never seen a team work so hard.

ive never seen a team with so much hitting talent hit so meekly.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:20 PM
http://dugoutdiary.mlblogs.com/dugout_diary_by_joe_boesc/images/arod.jpg

you rang?


Brian Anderson has more world series rings than this overrated douche.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:21 PM
ARod's a great hitter, but we need eight other guys who can get on base around him.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:21 PM
ive never seen a team with so much hitting talent hit so meekly.

Get some tapes of the '85 and '95 White Sox.

FedEx227
06-09-2007, 07:21 PM
Brian Anderson has more world series rings than this overrated douche.

Oh please show me how A-Rod is overrated.


::Grabs a chair and drink::

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:21 PM
Brian Anderson has more world series rings than this overrated douche.

overrated douche? this may very well be the best overall player of this generation...world series ring or not the man puts up the numbers during the regular season every year.

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:22 PM
Brian Anderson has more world series rings than this overrated douche.
What does a team accomplishment have to do with an individual's talent? :?:

Would you take Timo Perez over Barry Bonds?
Geoff Blum over Lance Berkman?
Willie Harris over Chase Utley?

Viva Medias B's
06-09-2007, 07:22 PM
Thome's two-run double and Garland's adequate pitching today notwithstanding, this team continues to show me no heart. On several fronts, this is turning out to be the most frustrating baseball season in a long time.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:22 PM
Brian Anderson has more world series rings than this overrated douche.

Anderson takes better routes too.

He would never be caught dead going through the front door of a hotel lobby.

Bulls_Fan
06-09-2007, 07:22 PM
Is Patrick being serious or is he purposely trying to pretend to be positive to aggravate people?

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:22 PM
Oh please show me how A-Rod is overrated.


::Grabs a chair and drink::


Don't confuse a guy with good fantasy baseball stats with a good player. He's been dumped by every team that had him so far, and the yankees tried, and are still trying, to get rid of him.

CLR01
06-09-2007, 07:23 PM
The Sox didn't make an out in the 10th inning! :mg: This team is amazing! Will they ever cool off?


Bringing that streak to 30 games. That has to count for something right? The team is hot hot hot.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:23 PM
Is Patrick being serious or is he purposely trying to pretend to be positive to aggravate people?


Yes and No.

Tragg
06-09-2007, 07:24 PM
Is Patrick being serious or is he purposely trying to pretend to be positive to aggravate people?

I think he's delivering much-needed comic relief.

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:24 PM
ARod's a great hitter, but we need eight other guys who can get on base around him.

http://www.celebopedia.com/ichiro/images/ichiro_suzuki.jpg

Ill play the OF and hit in front of Arod

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:25 PM
http://www.celebopedia.com/ichiro/images/ichiro_suzuki.jpg

Ill play the OF and hit in front of Arod


That's Ichiro Suzuki.

FedEx227
06-09-2007, 07:25 PM
Don't confuse a guy with good fantasy baseball stats with a good player. He's been dumped by every team that had him so far, and the yankees tried, and are still trying, to get rid of him.

You know you're right.


Player A career averages: .302/.384/.557, 36 HR, 103 RBI, 18 SB, 178
Player B career averages: .305/.386/.575, 44 HR, 126 RBI, 22 SB, 192 H

One of those is Willie Mays one is A-Rod (player B).

A-Rod was never dumped by the Mariners. And it's still not his fault the Rangers were stupid enough to sign him into a lose-lose contract. Why does A-Rod continue to be **** on despite easily being one of the top 5 players of our generation.

CLR01
06-09-2007, 07:25 PM
Don't confuse a guy with good fantasy baseball stats with a good player. He's been dumped by every team that had him so far, and the yankees tried, and are still trying, to get rid of him.



:mg:

Someone take Patrick's alcohol away.

UserNameBlank
06-09-2007, 07:26 PM
I had some hope in the 9th when Fields was at the plate. When Mackowiak came up, gone.

I would also like to add a thanks to Boone Logan for not throwing a meatball on a 3-1 count and getting the out, and to I think Bukvich as well for getting the sac fly instead of giving up the big hit. Nice job guys. Keep it up.

Lip Man 1
06-09-2007, 07:26 PM
Aerosmith sang it best in 1974 - "It's the same old story, same old song and dance, my friend."

Lip

cleanwsox
06-09-2007, 07:26 PM
That's Ichiro Suzuki.


:bandance: I agree with Patrick on this one!

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:26 PM
if the sox arent big players in the free agent market after this year i will assume they are done striving to win and are content with mediocrity.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:26 PM
What does a team accomplishment have to do with an individual's talent? :?:

And what does individual talent have to do with team accomplishment?

I would love to see ARod on the Sox if there's a way they can do it and not financially handcuff the franchise for the next five years. One guy can't win a championship on his own though. Even two or three guys can't do it on their own. The case example is the '97 Sox with Belle/Ventura/Thomas.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:27 PM
You know you're right.


Player A career averages: .302/.384/.557, 36 HR, 103 RBI, 18 SB, 178
Player B career averages: .305/.386/.575, 44 HR, 126 RBI, 22 SB, 192 H

One of those is Willie Mays one is A-Rod (player B).




With the exapnsion to as many teams as we have now, the pitching quality has been heavily diluted. Mays did it against the best of the best. A-Roid did it against Ryan Bukvich.

lths06
06-09-2007, 07:27 PM
I almost don't even care anymore. ALMOST. :angry: :(: :whiner:

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:27 PM
http://www.celebopedia.com/ichiro/images/ichiro_suzuki.jpg

Ill play the OF and hit in front of Arod

How the hell are you going to pay for that without raising the price of Koshers next year to $18 a piece?

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:27 PM
If A-Rod was on the Sox right now Patrick would we talking about how pretty soon A-Rod would start hitting like he did in the first three weeks of the season and carry the Sox to the World Series. :rolling:

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:28 PM
Aerosmith sang it best in 1974 - "It's the same old story, same old song and dance, my friend."

Lip


They sang it even better abut Brian AAAnderson when they crooned, "Dude hits like a lady".

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:28 PM
yeah but that 97 sox team didnt have the pitching depth that we have now...at least starting pitching.

Patrick134
06-09-2007, 07:29 PM
How the hell are you going to pay for that without raising the price of Koshers next year to $18 a piece?


With him and Gooch playing, they can start selling sushi at 50 bucks a pop. 100 if we're facing Dice-k ( The japanese pitcher on the Boston Red Sox).

FedEx227
06-09-2007, 07:30 PM
With the exapnsion to as many teams as we have now, the pitching quality has been heavily diluted. Mays did it against the best of the best. A-Roid did it against Ryan Bukvich.

...Because A-"ROIDS" stats all came in the past 3 days. Are you getting dumber with every post? (Edit: well looking at the post above me... yes... yes you are getting dumber with every post. Racist and dumb, what a combination!)

I mean, I don't know about you but I consider Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, and a bevy of others that have pitched in the past 10 years to be close to the "best".

UserNameBlank
06-09-2007, 07:30 PM
They sang it even better abut Brian AAAnderson when they crooned, "Dude hits like a lady".
You don't want to mess with Brian.

Seriously. Not unless you sleep with your eyes open.

Edit: See? Brian already banned you.

ChiSoxIn06
06-09-2007, 07:30 PM
How the hell are you going to pay for that without raising the price of Koshers next year to $18 a piece?

because i guarentee you put both those guys on the field you would draw such a great attendance tally that it would be a non issue...especally if you dump crede and dye in the process.

cleanwsox
06-09-2007, 07:30 PM
He got banned? LOL

Tragg
06-09-2007, 07:30 PM
We won the we when we spread the money around, verus investing heavily in superstars.

sox1970
06-09-2007, 07:31 PM
Crap! This team has only won TWO games these past two weeks! That is BRUTAL!!! And, there's no reason for it! We're not playing the Red Sox or Mets here! When will the nightmare end???

September 30

FedEx227
06-09-2007, 07:33 PM
If A-Rod was on the Sox right now Patrick would we talking about how pretty soon A-Rod would start hitting like he did in the first three weeks of the season and carry the Sox to the World Series. :rolling:

No dude, Raul Casanova has more World Series rings than him, thus he's no good.

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:34 PM
And what does individual talent have to do with team accomplishment?

I would love to see ARod on the Sox if there's a way they can do it and not financially handcuff the franchise for the next five years. One guy can't win a championship on his own though. Even two or three guys can't do it on their own. The case example is the '97 Sox with Belle/Ventura/Thomas.
You have to have good players in order to have a good team.

You can play on a team that finishes dead last every year and still be a good player.

southsideirish71
06-09-2007, 07:36 PM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.

How much do you drink before you start to watch a game.

I was at this game, no offense at all. The wind was blowing in and everyone on our team was trying to hit home runs.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:36 PM
You have to have good players in order to have a good team.

You can play on a team that finishes dead last every year and still be a good player.

True. If the Sox can pick up ARod and still fill the rest of the holes around him, I'm all for it. I don't want them to not be able to sign Buehrle or offer an extension to Garland when the time comes because of ARod's salary.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:37 PM
How much do you drink before you start to watch a game.


Patrick doesn't drink.

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:38 PM
True. If the Sox can pick up ARod and still fill the rest of the holes around him, I'm all for it. I don't want them to not be able to sign Buehrle or offer an extension to Garland when the time comes because of ARod's salary.
I agree. A-Rod will need a reason to come here, and really it will come down to $$$.

Uribe will be our SS for 2008.

Malgar 12
06-09-2007, 07:38 PM
What does a team accomplishment have to do with an individual's talent? :?:

Would you take Timo Perez over Barry Bonds?
Geoff Blum over Lance Berkman?
Willie Harris over Chase Utley?

Haven't you heard? The only measure of greatness is championships...

which of course means Trent Dilfer is just as good as Peyton Manning

Jjav829
06-09-2007, 07:40 PM
True. If the Sox can pick up ARod and still fill the rest of the holes around him, I'm all for it. I don't want them to not be able to sign Buehrle or offer an extension to Garland when the time comes because of ARod's salary.

They probably won't sign Buehrle even with no A-Rod. If they continue to play like this, Buehrle might be one of the first to be traded.

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:43 PM
They probably won't sign Buehrle even with no A-Rod. If they continue to play like this, Buehrle might be one of the first to be traded.
Doesn't mean they can't sign him after the season.

The O's did it with Ponson after 2003.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:43 PM
They sang it even better abut Brian AAAnderson when they crooned, "Dude hits like a lady".

He got banned? LOL

I'm the biggest BA supporter there is, but it was a joke about a song parody. Seems like an odd reason to ban someone. I didn't take it as a literal or derogatory statement about women or Aerosmith. :?:

Patrick's ultra positive about the team, and I certainly appreciate seeing those kind of posts rather than the constant whine & ***** dark-cloud fests.

Bulls_Fan
06-09-2007, 07:43 PM
Uribe will be our SS for 2008.


God i hope not.

Sign me up for acquiring Arod and putting him at SS.

Frank the Tank
06-09-2007, 07:44 PM
I almost don't even care anymore. ALMOST. :angry: :(: :whiner:

I hate to admit it, but I agree with you. I think in order to get really upset about losing, you have to think you have a chance at winning. This is easily the worst White Sox team since the 80's. We are so bad that I can't help but find our state of affairs funny. Do we have a single prospect to get excited about? I hate to say it, but I think we "done" for a long time.

Bulls_Fan
06-09-2007, 07:45 PM
Patrick's ultra positive about the team, and I certainly appreciate seeing those kind of posts rather than the constant whine & ***** dark-cloud fests.

It is one thing being positive, its another to just sound ultra fake about it. Two nights ago against the Yankees when they have a 7 run lead he is chirping that Torre is leaving in Rivera because he fears the Sox potent offense.

My guess he got banned for that racist remark.

FedEx227
06-09-2007, 07:46 PM
I'm the biggest BA supporter there is, but it was a joke about a song parody. Seems like an odd reason to ban someone. I didn't take it as a literal or derogatory statement about women or Aerosmith. :?:

Patrick's ultra positive about the team, and I certainly appreciate seeing those kind of posts rather than the constant whine & ***** dark-cloud fests.

I'm almost positive he got banned for saying the Sox could just raise Sushi prices with Ichiro and Iguchi on the same team. And double those prices when Dice-K comes to town.

UserNameBlank
06-09-2007, 07:47 PM
They probably won't sign Buehrle even with no A-Rod. If they continue to play like this, Buehrle might be one of the first to be traded.
I don't have a quote, but I think I read somewhere that the Sox said he'd be here for at least the end of the year since his wife is pregnant and due this summer.

I don't know how most Sox fans (non-WSI Sox fans at least) would react to a firesale, but I can pretty much imagine the fanbase everywhere going nuts if Buehrle is traded. I don't know if they'd want to risk that.

Frater Perdurabo
06-09-2007, 07:49 PM
Once Pods and Erstad are off the DL, I give the team two weeks. If at that point the offense still sucks, it's time to cash in the chips and start re-building the offense and the bullpen for 2008.

Trade Dye, Iguchi, Pods, PK, Mackowiak and Crede (when he gets off the DL). Give the Angels their pick among them for Shields and Kotchman. Deal the others to whomever will give up the best high-level middle infield prospects who are almost ready to contribute.

Go with Fields, Valido and Getz (and/or the prospects received in the trades) around the horn, plus Owens, BA and Sweeney in the OF, just to see what they can do. After a half-season of at-bats against MLB pitching, we'll have an idea of whether or not they are keepers.

Keep AJ behind the plate, Thome at DH and Erstad as the 4th OF.

Use the savings to keep Buehrle and also lock up Garland.

This offseason, sign Ichiro, Eckstein, veteran bullpen arms and players to fill the holes where the prospects fail. There will be growing pains, but the rotation will be excellent, the bullpen will have veteran relievers and the offense will be built around Ichiro, Eckstein, Thome, Kotchman and AJ.

Jjav829
06-09-2007, 07:49 PM
Doesn't mean they can't sign him after the season.

The O's did it with Ponson after 2003.

Yeah, it's possible. But we always hear this suggested and how many times does it really happen? Not many. Either way, I don't see Buehrle in a Sox uniform next season. If the Sox really feel they can re-sign Buehrle, and are willing to match his high contract demands, they'll proably hold onto him to have that exclusive window at the end of the season. The Sox best chance to re-sign Buehrle is before he gets out onto the open market. If Buehrle hits the open market and starts receiving offers from teams like the Yankees and Mets for 5 or 6 year deals averaging $15 million a year, the Sox are likely going to lose.

Frank the Tank
06-09-2007, 07:51 PM
I don't know how most Sox fans (non-WSI Sox fans at least) would react to a firesale, but I can pretty much imagine the fanbase everywhere going nuts if Buehrle is traded. I don't know if they'd want to risk that.

To be honest, Buehrle is the only player we have that I really want to come back. Garland and Danks are cool too, I guess. Other than that, is there anyone else on this team really worth keeping?

Jjav829
06-09-2007, 07:53 PM
I don't have a quote, but I think I read somewhere that the Sox said he'd be here for at least the end of the year since his wife is pregnant and due this summer.

I don't know how most Sox fans (non-WSI Sox fans at least) would react to a firesale, but I can pretty much imagine the fanbase everywhere going nuts if Buehrle is traded. I don't know if they'd want to risk that.

Nice sentiment, but business is business. If the Sox don't improve significantly before the trading deadline, Buehrle would be one of the top starters available to buyers. If some team comes calling offering two good prospects for Buehrle, I don't believe for a second that Kenny would reject the deal because Buehrle's wife is pregnant, especially when Buehrle might very well take his wife and newborn child and bolt to the highest bidder in the offseason.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:54 PM
I'm almost positive he got banned for saying the Sox could just raise Sushi prices with Ichiro and Iguchi on the same team. And double those prices when Dice-K comes to town.

Because Japanese fans don't eat sushi?

I like Polish sausage and Brats, and the Sox seem to supply me with plenty of that. I guess the Sox must be racist too.

Seems like some overreacting going on. Quite frankly, I'm more offended that he assumed I didn't know who Dice-k is (ie(the boston pitcher)).

Brian26
06-09-2007, 07:56 PM
Give the Angels their pick among them for Shields and Kotchman.

I know he's struggled recently, but I'm still a big fan of Ervan Santana and would love to see the Sox try to snag him and lock him up.

UserNameBlank
06-09-2007, 07:56 PM
Yeah, it's possible. But we always hear this suggested and how many times does it really happen? Not many. Either way, I don't see Buehrle in a Sox uniform next season. If the Sox really feel they can re-sign Buehrle, and are willing to match his high contract demands, they'll proably hold onto him to have that exclusive window at the end of the season. The Sox best chance to re-sign Buehrle is before he gets out onto the open market. If Buehrle hits the open market and starts receiving offers from teams like the Yankees and Mets for 5 or 6 year deals averaging $15 million a year, the Sox are likely going to lose.
If the Sox are pretty much finished by the AS break, maybe negotiations will start. The main reason for not negiotiating, at least the one given to the media, was that they didn't want negotiations to become a distraction. Well, if the team is in the toilet and veterans are being shipped off, they shouldn't have to worry about the extra distractions.

They do need to at least offer a 5 year deal though with some serious money in order to be taken seriously. With Buehrle's wife about to give birth, it might make Mark a little more reluctant to move.

FedEx227
06-09-2007, 07:57 PM
Because Japanese fans don't eat sushi?

I like Polish sausage and Brats, and the Sox seem to supply me with plenty of that. I guess the Sox must be racist too.

Seems like some overreacting going on. Quite frankly, I'm more offended that he assumed I didn't know who Dice-k is (ie(the boston pitcher)).

Yeah who knows. He might have just gotten banned for being an overly positive moron much like overly negative morons would fall to the same fate.

Viva Medias B's
06-09-2007, 07:58 PM
I know he's struggled recently, but I'm still a big fan of Ervan Santana and would love to see the Sox try to snag him and lock him up.

Let's get Johan Santana, but I don't think he would be available via free agency this upcoming offseason. Right? And I'm sure the Twins of our own division would trade him to us anyway.

santo=dorf
06-09-2007, 07:59 PM
I know he's struggled recently, but I'm still a big fan of Ervan Santana and would love to see the Sox try to snag him and lock him up.
Recently? He's always been horse**** away from the big A and has a history of injuries. Stay away.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 08:00 PM
Let's get Johan Santana, but I don't think he would be available via free agency this upcoming offseason. Right?

I don't think the Sox can win a bidding war with NYY for Johan. You can almost see him in Yankee pinstripes already.

Brian26
06-09-2007, 08:09 PM
Yeah who knows.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on line 1 right now...

ozzie is god
06-09-2007, 08:56 PM
Are the Sox better off getting Type A compensation for Dye and Buehrle or getting Major league ready prospects from other teams? I trust other teams scouting than our own. I would trade them right now since there are no P on the market and get a ton for Mark and JD IMO.

JB98
06-09-2007, 09:01 PM
Once Pods and Erstad are off the DL, I give the team two weeks. If at that point the offense still sucks, it's time to cash in the chips and start re-building the offense and the bullpen for 2008.

Trade Dye, Iguchi, Pods, PK, Mackowiak and Crede (when he gets off the DL). Give the Angels their pick among them for Shields and Kotchman. Deal the others to whomever will give up the best high-level middle infield prospects who are almost ready to contribute.

Go with Fields, Valido and Getz (and/or the prospects received in the trades) around the horn, plus Owens, BA and Sweeney in the OF, just to see what they can do. After a half-season of at-bats against MLB pitching, we'll have an idea of whether or not they are keepers.

Keep AJ behind the plate, Thome at DH and Erstad as the 4th OF.

Use the savings to keep Buehrle and also lock up Garland.

This offseason, sign Ichiro, Eckstein, veteran bullpen arms and players to fill the holes where the prospects fail. There will be growing pains, but the rotation will be excellent, the bullpen will have veteran relievers and the offense will be built around Ichiro, Eckstein, Thome, Kotchman and AJ.

Valido and Getz? God help us.

JB98
06-09-2007, 09:05 PM
The Sox fall to 2-8 with me in attendance. That was quite a display of WTP today. Plenty of fly ball outs off the Sox bats with the wind blowing in, wasting a good battling effort from Garland. Tough luck for Jenks in the ninth. Nothing hit really hard, just everything in the right spot.I was thinking on the way home: Owens, Fields, Terrero and Gonzalez are all on the big-league club. And Mackowiak is playing every day. If you would have told me that at the start of the season, I would have told you we're in deep ****. Well, we're in deep ****.

itsnotrequired
06-09-2007, 09:29 PM
My section won free McDonalds food in the McDonalds Corporate Challenge.

Sig update time...

Lip Man 1
06-09-2007, 09:30 PM
Just something else to consider The Sporting News recently had a short item that both Haffner and Sabathia are expected to declare for free agency after the 2008 season. Apparently Cleveland won't renegotiate or extend their deals and they aren't happy about it.

Lip

JB98
06-09-2007, 09:32 PM
Just something else to consider The Sporting News recently had a short item that both Haffner and Sabathia are expected to declare for free agency after the 2008 season. Apparently Cleveland won't renegotiate or extend their deals and they aren't happy about it.

Lip

I just hope Sabathia gets the hell out of our division. He kills us. He's not a guy I would want the Sox to sign. The price will be ridiculous for a guy who has had injuries in the past, and we have two promising young lefties in Danks and Gio already in our organization.

StillMissOzzie
06-09-2007, 09:55 PM
I thought somebody was gonna keep Jenks in quarantine from whatever has infected the rest of the bullpen.
And somehow, I just knew Dye was not gonna come through in that AB to end the 8th.
Other than that, I got nothin'

SMO
:angry:

PaleHoseGeorge
06-09-2007, 09:58 PM
Pants and Sweetpea shared their very first churro (plain) together and they both liked it. They both liked the Corn Elotes, too. Pants got to out-run Scott Podsednik in the Fundamentals area. Sweetpea got a Sox monkey she has now named A.J. Those were the REAL highlights of the game.

They both cheered when Thome drilled his 2-rbi double in the 8th. I'm quite certain it's the most fun Pants has ever had at the ballpark (he hates the noise generated by the exploding scoreboard and of course the Sox bats obliged him today) and it's easily the best time I've had with both of them in attendance.

The Sox lost. What else is new?
:redface:

JB98
06-09-2007, 10:02 PM
I thought somebody was gonna keep Jenks in quarantine from whatever has infected the rest of the bullpen.
And somehow, I just knew Dye was not gonna come through in that AB to end the 8th.
Other than that, I got nothin'

SMO
:angry:

Meh. I'm not even upset with Jenks. He didn't walk anybody. He got beat on cheap hits. Fields should have made that play to open the inning. That created the hole on the right side of the infield for Loretta to squib one through. It was just the perfect ****storm and very typical of this season.

Hitmen77
06-09-2007, 10:29 PM
To be honest, Buehrle is the only player we have that I really want to come back. Garland and Danks are cool too, I guess. Other than that, is there anyone else on this team really worth keeping?

I would add Jenks, AJ and Thome to that list too.

chisoxmike
06-09-2007, 10:54 PM
This team is on the verge of breaking out of this, and when they do they're going to go on a nice run.

:rolling:

Grzegorz
06-09-2007, 10:58 PM
I've tried to remain optimistic, but it looks like the window has closed. I guess it's time to forget about baseball.

Remain optimistic; this year might be difficult but the future, I believe, is a bright one.

Oh, and never forget about baseball unless it is hockey (the greatest sport on the planet) season.

Grzegorz
06-09-2007, 11:01 PM
http://dugoutdiary.mlblogs.com/dugout_diary_by_joe_boesc/images/arod.jpg

you rang?

Can he pitch middle relief?

CLR01
06-09-2007, 11:38 PM
Problems solved, they had a players-only meeting tonight. Probably just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of what time the Sopranos started tomorrow and what time they should all meet up, who was bringing the food, games, etc... You know how party planning goes.

Before Guillen knew of the postgame clubhouse talk, he put forth one of his mantras in that "bad teams have meetings, and good teams win games."

DumpJerry
06-09-2007, 11:44 PM
Allright everyone, confession time. They are losing all these games to make sure I get better seats next year when I renew my season tickets.

I'm estimating at the current rate of loss, I'll move from Section 112 to 122!

Flight #24
06-09-2007, 11:46 PM
Looks like it's time for Brooks Boyer to change the intro music from "Pirates of the Caribbean" to Tom Petty......

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/130/133449.jpg

"Yeah I'm free! I'm free falling".

:whiner:

gobears1987
06-10-2007, 12:05 AM
You need to check your calendar again, because this team was on fire in May of '06.We were great in 2006 until around the break.

Hitmen77
06-10-2007, 12:10 AM
Josh Fields 2 for 3 today with a walk. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come because he may be our 3B for a while.

Also, lost in the team implosion is the fact that Boone Logan is quietly starting to look like a good pitcher.

Meanwhile, Groundhog Day continues. We'll all wake up tomorrow morning with Sonny and Cher playing on our clock radio.:(:

ChiSoxGirl
06-10-2007, 12:22 AM
Josh Fields 2 for 3 today with a walk. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come because he may be our 3B for a while.

Also, lost in the team implosion is the fact that Boone Logan is quietly starting to look like a good pitcher.

Meanwhile, Groundhog Day continues. We'll all wake up tomorrow morning with Sonny and Cher playing on our clock radio.:(:

Looks like I titled my TBGR (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/../rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3392) appropriately!

tstrike2000
06-10-2007, 12:28 AM
Looks like I titled my TBGR (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/../rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3392) appropriately!

My friend, yes you did. The endless cycle has officially made us the new Kansas City Royals.

itsnotrequired
06-10-2007, 12:29 AM
My friend, yes you did. The endless cycle has officially made us the new Kansas City Royals.

Ross Gload is back on the team?

kaufsox
06-10-2007, 12:58 AM
wow! this like an evil version of Groundhog Day. If this doesn't get turned around by the break, let the fire sale begin and get ready for Soxfest 08. It will definitely be more exciting than this past month.

gobears1987
06-10-2007, 01:20 AM
Ross Gload is back on the team?He would be an improvement over Sisco. That is the one trade I think KW screwed up on this off-season. Hopefully Sisco will improve while in AAA.

whitesoxfan
06-10-2007, 01:25 AM
Thankfully, I didn't get to watch the 9th.

I love the Sox, but I can not stand this team. Garland had another great outing and once again, we don't get any runs for him and the bullpen ****s on the starter as usual. Different day, same result.

chisoxfanatic
06-10-2007, 01:31 AM
Thankfully, I didn't get to watch the 9th.

I love the Sox, but I can not stand this team. Garland had another great outing and once again, we don't get any runs for him and the bullpen ****s on the starter as usual. Different day, same result.
I'd say Garland right now is the team MVP, and is the ONLY guy who will be on the All Star team. Above everyone on this team, he has the greatest reasons to be pissed off. One thing I can say is that he truly is displaying a great deal of restraint by not saying a bunch of things in the media.

WhiteSox5187
06-10-2007, 01:45 AM
I'd say Garland right now is the team MVP, and is the ONLY guy who will be on the All Star team. Above everyone on this team, he has the greatest reasons to be pissed off. One thing I can say is that he truly is displaying a great deal of restraint by not saying a bunch of things in the media.
I think just about every pitcher on the starting rotation has lots of reasons to be pissed off at this team. Hawk pointed this out the other day, we've thrown a no hitter, a one hitter and a two hitter and in those games we are 1-2.

I love the White Sox, them and the Fighting Irish are the only two teams I give a damn about but it's time to admit, this team just isn't that good. Patrick134, I love the optimisim, but remember, the first step is acceptance.

WhiteSox5187
06-10-2007, 01:56 AM
Also, people are suggesting that we trade Paulie??? Why on God's green earth would you do THAT??? He's the captain. The guys I am holding on to on this team are:

AJ, Paulie, Thome, Jenks, Danks, Garland, and Buerhle. The rest, ya ship. But those guys are my cornerstones. This team doesn't need to be totally blown up.

Lip Man 1
06-10-2007, 01:58 AM
I haven't thoroughly checked this but I think, this stretch of 12 losses in the last 14 games is the worst Sox streak since August 12 - 28, 1991... the Sox lost 16 of 19 games (included in this 'streak' was a nine game losing skid.)

The 1991 team still finished with 87 wins but this streak, which included a no-hitter by Bret Saberhagen finished their chances to win the division.

Lip

whitesoxfan
06-10-2007, 02:01 AM
Also, people are suggesting that we trade Paulie??? Why on God's green earth would you do THAT??? He's the captain. The guys I am holding on to on this team are:

AJ, Paulie, Thome, Jenks, Danks, Garland, and Buerhle. The rest, ya ship. But those guys are my cornerstones. This team doesn't need to be totally blown up.

I'd add Iguchi to that list as well. And I realize I've totally opened up another can of worms. But on FOX, they showed that Iguchi's production for AL 2B from 2005 until today is the best or second best on pretty much every major statistical category for 2B. You're not going to get much better production for as good of value as he is.

peeonwrigley
06-10-2007, 03:33 AM
I can't remember this piss poor a stretch of baseball when the starters have thrown so well. For any team, ever. The bullpen and offense should be ashamed. They have ****ing sucked. No other way to say it. They should be embarrassed. I know I am as a fan.

wassagstdu
06-10-2007, 08:47 AM
Sign me up for acquiring Arod and putting him at SS.

If the Sox were to get ARod they would have to get him to play 3rd. SS is taken on this team.

And the only thing that would keep me from checking out if they did get ARod (partly because of that little trick he pulled last week calling "mine" as he ran behind the third baseman waiting for a pop-up) would be if they got Ichiro too.

Frater Perdurabo
06-10-2007, 08:52 AM
Valido and Getz? God help us.

Yep. See what they can do. We know they can play defense. Let's give them three months to see if they can figure out MLB pitching. If not, we'll have high-level middle infield prospects from another organization to plug in, and this offseason we'll add Eckstein.

Also, people are suggesting that we trade Paulie??? Why on God's green earth would you do THAT??? He's the captain.

You make it sound like he earned it. The only reason he got the title is longevity. KW tried to deal him after 2004, but got more in return for Lee.

He represents what's wrong with the offense. As long as he's on the team, they will always be trying the same offensive formula. As PHG pointed out, every time he slumps (and he has a huge slump every odd-numbered year), he starts pressing and gets down on himself. The negativeity affects the other hitters, too. A captain ought to have his own house in order before the team relies on him to lead the other players.

Also, if there is an injustice, a captain ought to be the first one to do something about it. For example, in 1999, Phoenix Coyote Jeremy Roenick gave Dallas Star Mike Modano a cheap shot and a concussion. In the next game between the teams, Dallas captain Derian Hatcher delivered a "don't EVER try that again" message to Roenick: a broken jaw and new teeth. After Hatcher left as a free agent (the Stars let him go because his skills were diminishing), Modano got the "C." Two years later, they stripped him of it because although he was a great player, he just wasn't a great leader.

When Barrett cold-cocked AJ, Pods and Anderson were the first players to come to AJ's defense. Where was Paulie in all of that?

When the media asked him about Uribe dekeing Derek Lee, rather than defending his teammate, PK said "you don't do that."

When asked about the Arizona Diamondbacks, PK said that Royce Clayton "was the best defensive shortstop" with whom he had ever played. (Why, because Clayton's soft throws and frequent no throws didn't hurt your hands as much as Uribe's lasers, which make it hurt more when you constantly readjust the velcro on your batting gloves?) I have to question either the sanity or the intellect of anyone who would say that about Clayton.

When was the last time PK showed any kind of leadership, other than being first in line to talk to the media?

Shall I go on?

When he was here, Everett was a better leader. AJ is a better leader. But given that he's the one guy that everyone on the team seems to love, Mark Buehrle is the obvious choice to be captain - he's taken it upon himself to retaliate - at the risk of getting tossed (like he did against the Orioles in 2005 to break his streak of pitching 6 or more innings) - if a Sox hitter has gotten intentionally pegged by an opposing pitcher.

If PK put up a consistent .900 OPS, 30 homers, .300 average and 30 doubles, I'd wouldn't have a problem. In fact, when it appeared that he was earning his paycheck with consistency last year, I said so in a thread I titled "Think Positive Thread of the Day: The Renaissance of Paul Konerko."

But when he's inconsistent and slumping, he deserves criticism. When he makes stupid statements to the media, he deserves ridicule. And when he's the one Sox hitter who could fetch the most in a trade, I'm going to call for him to be traded.

UserNameBlank
06-10-2007, 09:04 AM
I'd add Iguchi to that list as well. And I realize I've totally opened up another can of worms. But on FOX, they showed that Iguchi's production for AL 2B from 2005 until today is the best or second best on pretty much every major statistical category for 2B. You're not going to get much better production for as good of value as he is.
They've shown that a few times actually. I don't know why so many want to dump Tadahito for Luis Castillo. They both should get around the same amount, but Tadahito has the power and IMO is the better bet to stay healthy. Castillo has a little more speed, although he doesn't steal much anymore, and has been playing half his games in a dome. Eckstein IMO is a little bit better than Castillo as far as a 3-year deal is concerned, but I like Tadahito over him too. If we can get Iguchi to ink a 2 year deal in the 5-6mil per season range with a club option for a third, I think we'll get a very nice deal.

Bulls_Fan
06-10-2007, 09:06 AM
If the Sox were to get ARod they would have to get him to play 3rd. SS is taken on this team.

And the only thing that would keep me from checking out if they did get ARod (partly because of that little trick he pulled last week calling "mine" as he ran behind the third baseman waiting for a pop-up) would be if they got Ichiro too.

When you say SS is taken do you mean Uribe? I would love to get rid of Uribe and his abysmal hitting. Not only is he killing us at the plate but he is awful out in the field.

I would love to get ARod but his huge contract demands might deter KW from getting him. Times like this that Thome and his massive contract really hurt this ballclub financially.

EDIT: yes i know the Phils are picking up a portion of Thome's remaining contract.

HerzogVon
06-10-2007, 09:18 AM
Also, people are suggesting that we trade Paulie??? Why on God's green earth would you do THAT??? He's the captain. The guys I am holding on to on this team are:

AJ, Paulie, Thome, Jenks, Danks, Garland, and Buerhle. The rest, ya ship. But those guys are my cornerstones. This team doesn't need to be totally blown up.

The best bet would be to package Paulie and Big Stiff ( Thome ) in a deal. They're joined at the hip, anyway. This might remove that highly infectious virus, "Fenceitis", which seems to have spread throughout the team.

Maybe Rowand's still available? ( No teal! )

Bulls_Fan
06-10-2007, 09:32 AM
The best bet would be to package Paulie and Big Stiff ( Thome ) in a deal. They're joined at the hip, anyway. This might remove that highly infectious virus, "Fenceitis", which seems to have spread throughout the team.

Maybe Rowand's still available? ( No teal! )

I couldn't agree more. This team has returned to station-to-station baseball in the last 2 years. We have a whole lineup of guys who swing for the fences. It feels like 2003 and 2004 all over again.

I can live with PK (provided he gets his BA up). But a few players I would look to move:

1) Uribe- We need to find a more suitable replacement for this guy.
2) Thome- Super nice guy but the last thing we need in this lineup is a slow, power hitting player.
3) MB- Sure he is a "White Sox" but he is going to want HUGE money this offseason. I rather move him and get some really good pieces.

One thing that worries me is that the Sox "top prospects" are simply AAAA guys and will never pan out as major leaguers. Maybe watching Ryan Braun (Brewers) come up to the majors a few weeks ago and have a immediate impact has made me expect too much out of our youth. Either way, our kids have to play a lot better.

UserNameBlank
06-10-2007, 09:36 AM
Yep. See what they can do. We know they can play defense. Let's give them three months to see if they can figure out MLB pitching. If not, we'll have high-level middle infield prospects from another organization to plug in, and this offseason we'll add Eckstein.



You make it sound like he earned it. The only reason he got the title is longevity. KW tried to deal him after 2004, but got more in return for Lee.

He represents what's wrong with the offense. As long as he's on the team, they will always be trying the same offensive formula. As PHG pointed out, every time he slumps (and he has a huge slump every odd-numbered year), he starts pressing and gets down on himself. The negativeity affects the other hitters, too. A captain ought to have his own house in order before the team relies on him to lead the other players.

Also, if there is an injustice, a captain ought to be the first one to do something about it. For example, in 1999, Phoenix Coyote Jeremy Roenick gave Dallas Star Mike Modano a cheap shot and a concussion. In the next game between the teams, Dallas captain Derian Hatcher delivered a "don't EVER try that again" message to Roenick: a broken jaw and new teeth. After Hatcher left as a free agent (the Stars let him go because his skills were diminishing), Modano got the "C." Two years later, they stripped him of it because although he was a great player, he just wasn't a great leader.

When Barrett cold-cocked AJ, Pods and Anderson were the first players to come to AJ's defense. Where was Paulie in all of that?

When the media asked him about Uribe dekeing Derek Lee, rather than defending his teammate, PK said "you don't do that."

When asked about the Arizona Diamondbacks, PK said that Royce Clayton "was the best defensive shortstop" with whom he had ever played. (Why, because Clayton's soft throws and frequent no throws didn't hurt your hands as much as Uribe's lasers, which make it hurt more when you constantly readjust the velcro on your batting gloves?) I have to question either the sanity or the intellect of anyone who would say that about Clayton.

When was the last time PK showed any kind of leadership, other than being first in line to talk to the media?

Shall I go on?

When he was here, Everett was a better leader. AJ is a better leader. But given that he's the one guy that everyone on the team seems to love, Mark Buehrle is the obvious choice to be captain - he's taken it upon himself to retaliate - at the risk of getting tossed (like he did against the Orioles in 2005 to break his streak of pitching 6 or more innings) - if a Sox hitter has gotten intentionally pegged by an opposing pitcher.

If PK put up a consistent .900 OPS, 30 homers, .300 average and 30 doubles, I'd wouldn't have a problem. In fact, when it appeared that he was earning his paycheck with consistency last year, I said so in a thread I titled "Think Positive Thread of the Day: The Renaissance of Paul Konerko."

But when he's inconsistent and slumping, he deserves criticism. When he makes stupid statements to the media, he deserves ridicule. And when he's the one Sox hitter who could fetch the most in a trade, I'm going to call for him to be traded.
1. The White Sox offense represents what is wrong with PK, not the other way around. Put Paulie on a team that can score and watch him break out. It's a lot easier for a guy to work out of a slump when there are men on base than it is when there's no one on and the opposing pitcher is dealing becuase no one save for the 3-4-5 hitters is any threat whatsoever.

2. Every team, perfectly constructed, needs balance. Speed and OBP at the top, power and OBP in the middle, and consistency at the very least on the bottom. The Sox don't have that balance right now and that is why they suck offensively. Take PK off this team and all of the sudden we now have nothing at the top, nothing in the middle, and nothing at the bottom. Dye is probably gone after the year, if not by the non-waiver deadline. Thome is going to be in an out of the lineup over the next year and a half before 2009, when the Sox IIRC can buy him out or take on an option on the final year of his deal. Where is our middle of the order going to come from?

3. PK has said some dumb things to reporters, much of which has been taken out of context. So has Ozzie, so has Kenny, so did Big Frank, so did Carl Everett, so has AJ, so did Freddy Garcia, and the list goes on. Every one of those guys were or are now referred to as leaders.

4. Look at the way the market has gone. All of the sudden PK's massive contract isn't quite as massve anymore. Sure he slumps. So does anyone else. But at the end of the year Paulie's numbers will be there, even if this is going to be a down year for him. Does it hurt the team when he's not able to carry them? Sure it does, but that is why there are nine players in our lineup. When PK is struggling, someone, anyone, should be able to pick up the slack here and there. That hasn't happened.

5. PK's OPS from 2004-2006: .894, .909, .932. Doubles from 2004-2006: 22, 24, 30. Home runs from 2004-2006: 41, 40, 35. Average from 2004-2006: .277, .283, .313. The last three years of production is what he's getting paid for. $12mil per season? Yeah, I'd say that's a bargain in today's market. Soriano got $17mil per season and put up these numbers of the previous three years: Average: .280, .268, .277. Doubles: 32, 43, 41. Triples: 4, 2, 2. Home runs: 28, 36, 46. OPS: .808, .821, .911. He stole 89 bases, but is an atrocious OF. PK is one of the better 1B in the AL, doesn't have speed, but has a much higher OBP.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-10-2007, 09:47 AM
I never suggested trading Paul Konerko made any sense at all. If anyone else made such a suggestion, 5187 needs to point them out. He is the one making the allegation.

I asserted that Paul Konerko has been in yet another of his annual slumps and unlike nearly every other fault with the '07 Sox, Sox Fans have given him a virtual pass for pressing (again) at the plate. I find this behavior unusual, and I wonder what motivates it. Why is Paul Konerko given a pass?

Nothing gets solved by the incessant whining in these post-game threads. Even when the Sox win there are people here finding dark linings inside the puffy, white clouds. I mostly read these threads out of amusement, not for any insights they might offer... except perhaps insights into the psychoses that addle the average Sox Fan's brain. It's more entertaining than listening to the idiots calling into sportsblab radio...
:tongue:

Firing coaches and trading key players won't solve one damned thing about the '07 Sox, and I'm quite certain these same goofy moves (that so many here advocate) will cripple the team for '08 and beyond. This team was built to produce. If it doesn't, there is more than enough time to make corrections between August and next April.

Now go take a stress tab.

PeoriaSoxFan
06-10-2007, 09:59 AM
Awesome clutch hitting By Thome in the 8th when we needed it bad. The offense is starting to pick up.

They scored 2 runs today and 2 the day before. 26 runs in the last 10 games. Picking it up? I wish.

Brian26
06-10-2007, 10:41 AM
We were great in 2006 until around the break.

This is correct. May and June of '06 were good months. On July 8, the Sox were 24 or 25 games over .500 (amazing to ponder now). The change in direction seemed to happen after the Sunday afternoon 8-hour Red Sox game that we won, right before the ASB.

Brian26
06-10-2007, 10:43 AM
I'd say Garland right now is the team MVP, and is the ONLY guy who will be on the All Star team.

I agree with you. I'd say it's between Buehrle and Garland, with Garland leading more quietly. Buehrle might get the call, though, because of press he got on the no-hitter. These are the only two guys who deserve to go, and that includes Thome.

IndianWhiteSox
06-10-2007, 10:47 AM
This is correct. May and June of '06 were good months. On July 8, the Sox were 24 or 25 games over .500 (amazing to ponder now). The change in direction seemed to happen after the Sunday afternoon 8-hour Red Sox game that we won, right before the ASB.

I thought it was because of that stupid sCrUBS game in which the Sox gave up 15 runs, which sent things downward.

Brian26
06-10-2007, 11:07 AM
I thought it was because of that stupid sCrUBS game in which the Sox gave up 15 runs, which sent things downward.

They took three out of four from Baltimore right after that. They actually hit the 27-games over .500 plateau during that Baltimore series. Then they lost 2-of-3 to Boston by salvaging the marathon Sunday game. After the Break, they lost a big series to NYY and things started to slide.

russ99
06-10-2007, 11:22 AM
I'd like to see you try to light a fire under Luis Terrero's ass. Let me know how that turns out.

IMO: Terrero cost us the game, since he stopped at second base on a hit and run. If that run comes in Iit's a whole different game and we could have faced Houston's weak bullpen sooner. I don't know if even Konerko would do that!!

I'm shocked Ozzie didn't send him down or bench him after that. It's the motto of the 07 Sox: Not doing the little things.

hawkjt
06-10-2007, 11:47 AM
I will confess, I have always been a willie harris fan and was not happy when the sox let him go.. and right now his .391 batting average would make him the babe ruth of this sox team..

I know, he is platooning in left field, but just envious that the braves get the benefit of his hot bat and speed when the sox nurtured him and now desparately need both commodities..

who knew that he would be a better hitter than mack when we acquired mack in 06 and let willie go..oh well.

IndianWhiteSox
06-10-2007, 11:49 AM
I will confess, I have always been a willie harris fan and was not happy when the sox let him go.. and right now his .391 batting average would make him the babe ruth of this sox team..

I know, he is platooning in left field, but just envious that the braves get the benefit of his hot bat and speed when the sox nurtured him and now desparately need both commodities..

who knew that he would be a better hitter than mack when we acquired mack in 06 and let willie go..oh well.

Hindsight is indeed 20/20.

Cellview22
06-10-2007, 01:06 PM
Went to the game yesterday and despite the loss, it was one of the most fun I've had at the Cell recently. I wasn't even planning on going, I drove downtown with my girlfriend and her friend, didn't feel like shopping along with them, so I told em I'd meet them back at 6, as there was no way I was shopping all afternoon. Hopped on the red line and got an upper deck ticket.

Nice crowd, upper deck was full except for the last 4 or 5 rows in the corners, and I noticed a lot of season ticket holders had made their way down to the main concourse for standing room only, which seemed to be where all the action was. Not being able to go down to the main concourse, particularly in the outfield, is a bummer since it looks so inviting down there. In the 7th inning I walked down the ramps and just as I approached the security guy, he bent down to tie his shoe, and I walked right through to the main concourse. There was a couple empty rows right behind home plate and back near the concourse, I guess VIP seats weren't all taken, so I snatched a seat and sat there the rest of the game. That's one of the perks of going alone. In the 8th inning, the crowd woke up, and when Thome tied the game up, it was kinda like a playoff atmosphere. I was actually surprised how wild the crowd got. Everyone was standing and clapping to 'Go Go White Sox' and 'Thunderstruck'. This shirtless dude in front of me sporting a mullet was pumping his arms to Thunderstruck, people were all laughing around us. If Mackowiak had come through and gotten a hit in the bottom of the 9th, the crowd would've erupted. Anyway, it was a great game, a lot of fun, even though my girlfriend was a little peeved I didn't get back till 6:35.. :o:

MRM
06-10-2007, 02:55 PM
I agree with you. I'd say it's between Buehrle and Garland, with Garland leading more quietly. Buehrle might get the call, though, because of press he got on the no-hitter. These are the only two guys who deserve to go, and that includes Thome.

Buehrle isn't going unless he tears off several wins in a row. Coming in to todays start he was 2-3 with an ERA near 4. That's not getting him to the A.S. game regardless of the No No. Right now the only Sox player who has looked anything like an all-star has been Jenks.

chisoxfanatic
06-10-2007, 03:23 PM
Buehrle isn't going unless he tears off several wins in a row. Coming in to todays start he was 2-3 with an ERA near 4. That's not getting him to the A.S. game regardless of the No No. Right now the only Sox player who has looked anything like an all-star has been Jenks.
Jenks won't get the call thanks to Paplebon, K-Rod, and Nathan.