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doctorlecter
06-03-2007, 03:05 AM
The four pitch, bases loaded, ninth inning walk on the road earlier this week should have told us that he is not a major league pitcher right now.
April ERA: 1.72
May ERA: 9.00
June ERA: 45.00

Anyone see a trend?

RadioheadRocks
06-03-2007, 03:10 AM
... and why isn't McDougAAAl joining him there?

IlliniSox4Life
06-03-2007, 04:18 AM
... and why isn't McDougAAAl joining him there?
Mac doesn't have the options. If we try to send him down we have to put him on waivers, and most likely he won't clear.



Also, why don't we send TerrerOOO down already for Anderson.......oh crap I think I did it wrong.

LongLiveFisk
06-03-2007, 10:17 AM
Also, why don't we send TerrerOOO down already for Anderson.......oh crap I think I did it wrong.

Because we're afraid of seeing AAAnderson again. :redneck

viagracat
06-03-2007, 10:20 AM
Mac doesn't have the options. If we try to send him down we have to put him on waivers, and most likely he won't clear.



Trib said today McDougal does have one minor-league option, as does Aardsma. You can bet one or both will be sent down by Monday as both have ben absolutely brutal lately, with perhaps Bret Prinz getting the callup.

Kinda hate to see Aardsma go though. The "Pirates of the Caribbean" intro is about the only reason to listen to Farmio and Singleton's broadcasts. That and those Miller Genuine Draft "cold-filtered four times for SMOOOOTH flavor" commercials. :D:

TheOldRoman
06-03-2007, 10:44 AM
The four pitch, bases loaded, ninth inning walk on the road earlier this week should have told us that he is not a major league pitcher right now.
April ERA: 1.72
May ERA: 9.00
June ERA: 45.00

Anyone see a trend?
I like how the trend looks in June (based on one appearance).:rolleyes: You think he will have an ERA of 225 in July?

viagracat
06-03-2007, 10:55 AM
A 225 ERA by McDougal or anyone else would mean the Sox would have to get a lot of hits to win a game, and they haven't gotten a hit off an opposing reliever in 2 games. So no, a 225 ERA would not be a good thing. :cool:

skobabe8
06-03-2007, 10:59 AM
We wont see anything until Monday.

russ99
06-03-2007, 11:03 AM
Mac doesn't have the options. If we try to send him down we have to put him on waivers, and most likely he won't clear.



Trib said today McDougal does have one minor-league option, as does Aardsma. You can bet one or both will be sent down by Monday as both have ben absolutely brutal lately, with perhaps Bret Prinz getting the callup.

Kinda hate to see Aardsma go though. The "Pirates of the Caribbean" intro is about the only reason to listen to Farmio and Singleton's broadcasts. That and those Miller Genuine Draft "cold-filtered four times for SMOOOOTH flavor" commercials. :D:Ozzie is quoted on MLB.com that bullpen-related roster moves will made on Monday.

I'm guessing both will get sent down. MacDougal looks to me like he's harried and has total lack of confidence in his stuff, and that can be corrected with some AAA time.

The guy I'm really worried about is Aardsma. He's lost velocity, but still has command. He's just getting shelled. We might not see him back on the Southside. Maybe there's a reason he's been traded so much in the last couple of years.

I just hope neither of them get the ball today.

Brian26
06-03-2007, 11:15 AM
I like how the trend looks in June (based on one appearance).:rolleyes: You think he will have an ERA of 225 in July?

His September ERA will be Avogadro's Number, 6.022 10^23 :D:

HawkDJ
06-03-2007, 11:25 AM
His September ERA will be Avogadro's Number, 6.022 10^23 :D:

I was thinking he'd get the infamous Infinite ERA (giving up any amount of runs and recording no outs). That's always a good story to tell the kids.

"What was your ERA?"

"Infinity"

UserNameBlank
06-03-2007, 11:56 AM
I don't want to see either of these guys sent down. The Sox could bring up Carlos Vasquez and Oneli Perez/Heath Phillips/Charlie Haeger without adding anyone to the 40-man, but what would be the point? Vasquez is the only one that really has any hope of sticking, but as awful as his control was in ST, I have a hard time thinking that he'll be any better in the majors. I'd rather see him stick in Charlotte and see if he can put together a decent year than have him called up and ultimately ripped apart in the media when he struggles.

Just say no to Prinz. Adding him to the 40-man would fill up the roster, but at the rate the Sox have been adding/removing players from it someone else will get claimed and Charlotte will lose even more depth. I see no point in trying to save a season that is reliant upon the success of a journeyman like Prinz.

Either someone should be shipped out for a useful part or we should just wait until these guys fix their problems, right the ship, and then send MacDougal packing. Thornton too. Let Aardsma and Vasquez develop in garbage time once the White Flag is hoisted.

UserNameBlank
06-03-2007, 12:01 PM
I was thinking he'd get the infamous Infinite ERA (giving up any amount of runs and recording no outs). That's always a good story to tell the kids.

"What was your ERA?"

"Infinity"
It's impossible because he has recorded a few outs this season. It could very well become the highest non-inifinity ERA ever, which IMO is much worse than an ERA of inifinity over one or two outings.

That said, I think Aardsma improves. It's almost impossible for him not to at the rate he's going.

gosiu
06-03-2007, 12:19 PM
I don't want to see either of these guys sent down. The Sox could bring up Carlos Vasquez and Oneli Perez/Heath Phillips/Charlie Haeger without adding anyone to the 40-man, but what would be the point? Vasquez is the only one that really has any hope of sticking, but as awful as his control was in ST, I have a hard time thinking that he'll be any better in the majors. I'd rather see him stick in Charlotte and see if he can put together a decent year than have him called up and ultimately ripped apart in the media when he struggles.

Just say no to Prinz. Adding him to the 40-man would fill up the roster, but at the rate the Sox have been adding/removing players from it someone else will get claimed and Charlotte will lose even more depth. I see no point in trying to save a season that is reliant upon the success of a journeyman like Prinz.

Either someone should be shipped out for a useful part or we should just wait until these guys fix their problems, right the ship, and then send MacDougal packing. Thornton too. Let Aardsma and Vasquez develop in garbage time once the White Flag is hoisted.
Unless they think Podz is ready to come back in the next two weeks and that it's urgent he plays when he's ready, he can be moved to the 60DL now to open a spot on the 40-man roster.

UserNameBlank
06-03-2007, 12:23 PM
Unless they think Podz is ready to come back in the next two weeks and that it's urgent he plays when he's ready, he can be moved to the 60DL now to open a spot on the 40-man roster.
Good thinking. That never ocurred to me.

Hopefully when Pods does come back they can move him for an organizational player to step into Charlotte's IF. If not, DFA time.

oeo
06-03-2007, 12:31 PM
I saw the bullpen in Charlotte on Friday, and they look like our current bullpen. No one can throw strikes...they almost blew a 6-2 lead. The only guy that really impressed me was Bukvich. I think you guys are expecting a little much from them.

FedEx227
06-03-2007, 12:31 PM
... and why isn't McDougAAAl joining him there?

Because he wouldn't clear waivers and it would be absolutely worthless to even try right now.

DickAllen72
06-03-2007, 12:40 PM
Because he wouldn't clear waivers and it would be absolutely worthless to even try right now.
According to the Times and Tribune, MacDougal does have one minor league option left. I say use it.

Better yet, Phil Rogers claims the Phillies might be willing to take MacDougal for a certain centerfielder.....

Lip Man 1
06-03-2007, 12:53 PM
Oeo:

That's an excellent point.

Lip

UserNameBlank
06-03-2007, 12:55 PM
According to the Times and Tribune, MacDougal does have one minor league option left. I say use it.

Better yet, Phil Rogers claims the Phillies might be willing to take MacDougal for a certain centerfielder.....
Who could that be?

I'm shocked that by now there isn't an entire message board somewhere that is totally devoted to the discussion of Aaron Rowand, specifically his series in Yankee stadium in '05 and his broken face last year.

DickAllen72
06-03-2007, 01:00 PM
A solid CFer would allow the Sox to shift Owens over to LF where he belongs.

JB98
06-03-2007, 01:01 PM
I saw the bullpen in Charlotte on Friday, and they look like our current bullpen. No one can throw strikes...they almost blew a 6-2 lead. The only guy that really impressed me was Bukvich. I think you guys are expecting a little much from them.

I don't think anyone in Charlotte is a long-term solution. Thing is, if any of them are capable of holding the opposition to less than five runs in a single inning, they'll be an upgrade over Aardsma at this point.

Hitmen77
06-03-2007, 01:17 PM
So, what in the world happened to Aardsma? He was lights-out the first 6(?) weeks of the season. Is it just a loss of confidence?

He can't continue like this. He needs to go to AAA to hopefully get back on track.

Hitmen77
06-03-2007, 01:20 PM
Unless they think Podz is ready to come back in the next two weeks and that it's urgent he plays when he's ready, he can be moved to the 60DL now to open a spot on the 40-man roster.

Would that keep him off the Sox roster for another 60 days from today? If so, I don't think the Sox would do that. On the other hand, I thought they placed Ozuna on the 15 or 21 day DL - he'd be a good candidate for the 60 day DL.

gosiu
06-03-2007, 01:26 PM
Would that keep him off the Sox roster for another 60 days from today? If so, I don't think the Sox would do that. On the other hand, I thought they placed Ozuna on the 15 or 21 day DL - he'd be a good candidate for the 60 day DL.
It's all retroactive. If placed on it, he would be eligable to come off 60 days after his last game appearence, which is in a few weeks.

However, no one is ever put on that list unless they need a roster spot or it's officially a season ending injury. (Edit: Also, apparently there's a limit to the number of 15 day slots available, so some get moved to the 60 day because of that). So even though Ozuna will be DLed for at least 60 days, he won't be placed on it until a need for his roster spot comes up, like say a trade for major league talent.

soxinem1
06-03-2007, 01:27 PM
If AAArdsma and MacDougAAAl do indeed get sent down to join SisCHARLOTTEo, who would have thought the Charlotte bullpen would contain all the 'power arms' we loaded up on in the last year?

And I hate to say it, but Day should go too. He is really hittable and does not seem to have MLB stuff. Usually, there is a reason why guys are Rule 5 picks, and he is it.

But if someone like Prinz and Buckvich (if they put him on the 40 man roster) are the replacements, I sure wouldn't hold my breath for anything better.

southside rocks
06-03-2007, 01:48 PM
So, what in the world happened to Aardsma? He was lights-out the first 6(?) weeks of the season. Is it just a loss of confidence?

He can't continue like this. He needs to go to AAA to hopefully get back on track.

FWIW, Bill Melton on the postgame last night said it's because Aardsma has one pitch besides his fastball, which is "straight as a string" and very hittable. That's not enough to get outs, and the reason for Aardsma's early success, Melton said, was that he was new to the AL and hitters hadn't seen him before. By now, 50 games into the season, all the hitters have seen video and read scout reports and they are waiting for his fastball and hitting Aardsma like crazy.

Makes me wonder if the same thing happened to Cotts over in the NL. He was lights-out for 6 weeks and then he couldn't get an out at all.

HawkDJ
06-03-2007, 02:02 PM
It's impossible because he has recorded a few outs this season. It could very well become the highest non-inifinity ERA ever, which IMO is much worse than an ERA of inifinity over one or two outings.

That said, I think Aardsma improves. It's almost impossible for him not to at the rate he's going.

I was referring to a monthly ERA sometime in the future, but point taken.

balke
06-03-2007, 02:02 PM
Does Aardsma's pitiful play lately at all translate to the way he's brought in? He's been brought in when Macdougal biffs like RIGHT away. Is he warmed up properly? I'm sure he'd still be bad, but should his #'s be this bad or has he been mishandled a bit?

SoxxoS
06-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Does Aardsma's pitiful play lately at all translate to the way he's brought in? He's been brought in when Macdougal biffs like RIGHT away. Is he warmed up properly? I'm sure he'd still be bad, but should his #'s be this bad or has he been mishandled a bit?

No, he is just bad.

JB98
06-03-2007, 04:59 PM
So, what in the world happened to Aardsma? He was lights-out the first 6(?) weeks of the season. Is it just a loss of confidence?

He can't continue like this. He needs to go to AAA to hopefully get back on track.

Aardsma can't get his slider or his splitter over the plate. Hitters don't swing at it and force him to come in with his fastball. His command of the fastball is poor, and he's not pitching inside. Everything is middle of the plate and out and very hittable. How much of that is mental is anybody's guess.

Chicken Dinner
06-03-2007, 05:37 PM
It must be that stupid picture of him in the media guide. That photo would make anyone suck. :smile:

MDF3530
06-03-2007, 05:54 PM
<rant>

If I saw him in the clubhouse with some food, I'd tell him to put the plate down and QUIT NIBBLING!!!

</rant>

UserNameBlank
06-03-2007, 06:57 PM
<rant>

If I saw him in the clubhouse with some food, I'd tell him to put the plate down and QUIT NIBBLING!!!

</rant>
If I saw him in the clubhouse I'd be like "hey, *** buddy?"

StillMissOzzie
06-03-2007, 07:03 PM
To answer the original thread's question, I would assume that there are laws regarding the dumping of toxic waste, particularly when it involves international borders.

Several have mentioned that AAArdsma has only two pitches and has become quite hittable. I say that if you can't throw them for strikes, it doesn't matter about speed, location, or movement.. Maybe he can get straightened out in Charlotte.
As for McDougal, he seems to have fallen in love with that hard 58 footer in the dirt, and then he's gotta groove one to get a strike. Those grooved pitches tend to get hit hard, if the batter hasn't waited out a walk. He might be somebody else's project in a trade.

SMO
:angry:

Hitmen77
06-04-2007, 12:46 PM
Would that keep him off the Sox roster for another 60 days from today? If so, I don't think the Sox would do that. On the other hand, I thought they placed Ozuna on the 15 or 21 day DL - he'd be a good candidate for the 60 day DL.

....and this is what the Sox did today:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070604soxmoves,1,622335.story?coll=chi-sportstop-hed
In another Sox move, Pablo Ozuna was transferred to the 60-day disabled list.

doctorlecter
06-04-2007, 04:00 PM
I like how the trend looks in June (based on one appearance).:rolleyes: You think he will have an ERA of 225 in July?

Yes.

Pods4455
06-04-2007, 04:10 PM
Making fun of the players. I adore the maturity in this thread..