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Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 07:59 PM
*hoping Chris Rongey goes on a rant like that Michigan sports talk radio host did after Michigan State choked against Notre Dame*

ilsox7
05-31-2007, 08:00 PM
Sweet, we didn't walk anyone tonight!

soxfanatlanta
05-31-2007, 08:00 PM
Any positives in this one?

Anyone?

cbotnyse
05-31-2007, 08:00 PM
They are finding incredible ways to lose games.

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
Ya give up two hits you oughta win the ballgame. Erstad is out and with his history of ankle problems it certainly doesn't look good for him. This team is in SERIOUS trouble. They're dying. This series can't make them, but it can sure as hell break them. This road trip so far has been an unmitigated disaster.

rowand33
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
We're ****ing depressing to watch...

below .500 in June.

Never would have believed it if I was told it before the season.

What happened to our offense?

spiffie
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
At least Mark had a hell of a night. Just one of those ugly games that happen against the top pitchers in baseball sometimes. Hope Erstad is not hurt as bad as it sounds like he might be. Go get em tomorrow and try to at least get a shot to win the series.

CHISOXFAN13
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
Any positives in this one?


Anyone?


Ummm, Buerhle? How can you not see his effort as being a positive one. Maybe next time he'll allow one hit to make you happy.

nsolo
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
Sweet, we didn't walk anyone tonight!

and............we got three times as many hits!!!!

itsnotrequired
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
Any positives in this one?

Anyone?



I saw an ad for "Ghost Rider" on DVD during a commercial break. Worth a try, I think...

oeo
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
The team looks eerily like it did in the second half of last year.

I'm almost ready to just see some changes.

Any positives in this one?

Anyone?



Buehrle pitched a ****ing gem. Unfortunately it looks like the offense has thrown in the towel.

The Immigrant
05-31-2007, 08:01 PM
*hoping Chris Rongey goes on a rant like that Michigan sports talk radio host did after Michigan State choked against Notre Dame*

CHOKING ON APPLE SAUCE!

Bucky F. Dent
05-31-2007, 08:02 PM
Buehrle threw a two hitter.

SoxxoS
05-31-2007, 08:02 PM
Not to make excuses but:

Kazmir, Santana, Halladay, Burnett and Clemens in about a 7 game span? Rough.

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 08:02 PM
Ummm, Buerhle? How can you not see his effort as being a positive one. Maybe next time he'll allow one hit to make you happy.
Maybe next time with runners on second and third with no outs we'll bring 'em in too.

hose
05-31-2007, 08:02 PM
One positive is the bullpen didn't blow the lead.

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:03 PM
Any positives in this one?

Anyone?


Buerhle. Typically, a beautifully pitched game is the way you break a losing streak. Mark did that. Unfortunately, he has a horse**** team playing behind him.

Soxworldchamps
05-31-2007, 08:03 PM
Buehrle's pitch count: 91.

QCIASOXFAN
05-31-2007, 08:03 PM
Starting pitching goes good, hitting goes cold. Hitting goes on a tear, starting pitching stinks. Hitting and pitching do their job, the bullpen blows it. Not good times.:(:

alohafri
05-31-2007, 08:03 PM
The team looks eerily like it did in the second half of last year.

I'm almost ready to just see some changes.

DL Erstad, bring up Sweeny. How's that one?

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 08:03 PM
Not to make excuses but:

Kazmir, Santana, Halladay, Burnett and Clemens in about a 7 game span? Rough.
Tonight the offense was the problem, but every other game it hasn't been the offense. It's been the bullpen. We're finding ways to lose games. Good teams don't do that.

soxfanatlanta
05-31-2007, 08:04 PM
I saw an ad for "Ghost Rider" on DVD during a commercial break. Worth a try, I think...

I knew I could count on your perspective. :smile:

ViPeRx007
05-31-2007, 08:04 PM
I think they should swap Charlotte's roster with the current Sox roster for a couple games. At least those guys might act like they've got something to prove...

It's almost like they've got the "Yea, well, we won the World Series in '05 so that's cool" vibe going. I guess they figure they're set for at least a good 5-6 decades.

There's no fire right now.

rowand33
05-31-2007, 08:04 PM
DL Erstad, bring up Sweeny. How's that one?

Owens. Need the speed.

Fenway
05-31-2007, 08:04 PM
They are finding incredible ways to lose games.

Has he won a game since the no hitter?

wassagstdu
05-31-2007, 08:05 PM
Not to make excuses but:

Kazmir, Santana, Halladay, Burnett and Clemens in about a 7 game span? Rough.
Two of those are rehab starts.

Tragg
05-31-2007, 08:05 PM
Not to make excuses but:

Kazmir, Santana, Halladay, Burnett and Clemens in about a 7 game span? Rough.
Sure it's rough. But if you're a playoff team you can deal with that. Plus they have to deal with our good pitchers that they had to face..

We had leads against Santana and Kazmir anyway.

When our grinder in chief can't get a runner home from 3rd with less than 2 out, you know it's bad.

gobears1987
05-31-2007, 08:05 PM
With Erstad gone I think we might have to waive the white flag.

I have a reputation of being an optimist most of the time, but damn this just sucks.

oeo
05-31-2007, 08:06 PM
DL Erstad, bring up Sweeny. How's that one?

Sweeney was overmatched two weeks ago; I don't think that's changed.

Anderson isn't even tearing up AAA like he's supposed to be, so I say bring Owens up, he deserves a chance.

WSox597
05-31-2007, 08:06 PM
Can't blame Ozzie or Kenny for this one. So, that's one positive besides the sterling job by Mark.

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 08:06 PM
With Erstad gone I think we might have to waive the white flag.

I have a reputation of being an optimist most of the time, but damn this just sucks.
I don't think you start waving the white flag until at least the all star break, but I think you might start asking what the terms of surrender would be.

This team just confuses me. Talk about a paper tiger. It's sickening. It really is.

wassagstdu
05-31-2007, 08:07 PM
After yesterday's blown lead and walk-off four pitch walk I thought things couldn't get any worse. Now Buehrle loses an 2-hitter and the Sox lose Erstad. I can hardly wait for tomorrow.

oeo
05-31-2007, 08:07 PM
Not to make excuses but:

Kazmir, Santana, Halladay, Burnett and Clemens in about a 7 game span? Rough.

We just got the best pitching performance of any of those guys, and we lost.

MrX
05-31-2007, 08:07 PM
Any positives in this one?

Anyone?


Buerhle's trade value went up

I got home and turned the game on right when Erstad was on the ground, needless to say it got shutoff a few seconds later.

spiffie
05-31-2007, 08:07 PM
Can't blame Ozzie or Kenny for this one. So, that's one positive besides the sterling job by Mark.
Of course it is Ozzie's fault. If Razor Shines were the manager they would have knocked Halladay all over the park.

whitesoxwilkes
05-31-2007, 08:07 PM
Has he won a game since the no hitter?

Nope. This was his first decision either way since the no no.

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:09 PM
After yesterday's blown lead and walk-off four pitch walk I thought things couldn't get any worse. Now Buehrle loses an 2-hitter and the Sox lose Erstad. I can hardly wait for tomorrow.

Do you think we can provoke a thunderstorm inside the dome in Toronto?

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 08:10 PM
Do you think we can provoke a thunderstorm inside the dome in Toronto?
"We got ourselves a natural disaster!"

kobo
05-31-2007, 08:11 PM
Nope. This was his first decision either way since the no no.
Actually, he's 1-2 with 4 no decisions since the no-no.

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 08:12 PM
Actually, he's 1-2 with 4 no decisions since the no-no.
Yea he won the game right after the no-no in KC.

ViPeRx007
05-31-2007, 08:12 PM
Notch this one into the "Leave" column of Mark Buehrle's "What should I do at the end of the 07 season" chart.

BarbG
05-31-2007, 08:13 PM
How many serious injuries have we had now just from swinging and running the bases? :whiner:

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:13 PM
... Buehrle deserved better.

kitekrazy
05-31-2007, 08:14 PM
Notch this one into the "Leave" column of Mark Buehrle's "What should I do at the end of the 07 season" chart.

They follow the money. Ever heard of Edgerrin James?

Brian26
05-31-2007, 08:14 PM
The same guy who called two nights ago is still complaining we don't have Chris B. Young.

This guy wants to trade Crede to the Dodgers for farmhands.

getonbckthr
05-31-2007, 08:16 PM
The harsh reality is this team is at a crossroads. We have to decide where we stand. Do we have a chance still or not? If the belief we have a chance then we go out and give TBay a kings ransom and acquire Crawford to leadoff and play LF, and as much as i'm against it maybe we do have to go get Aaron maybe use Macdougal and Sisco. If the general feeling is that we cannot turn this around white flag time. Start dealing away. Maybe Burls to the NYM for Heilman and Milledge. Maybe JD/Contreras to Anaheim for Santana and one of their young middle infielders that they have an over abundance of. Someone would be willing to take Iguchi hell maybe he can go with Burls to the Mets. Move Crede to and let the era of Josh Fields begin.
Perhaps this is just aggravation talking but I feel we are done. Last year when we were struggling we still had fire and desire this year I don't know they look dead in the water.

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:17 PM
The same guy who called two nights ago is still complaining we don't have Chris B. Young.

This guy wants to trade Crede to the Dodgers for farmhands.

If this thing don't fix itself, unfortunately Crede will be the first to go.

PKalltheway
05-31-2007, 08:18 PM
At least Mark had a hell of a night. Just one of those ugly games that happen against the top pitchers in baseball sometimes. Hope Erstad is not hurt as bad as it sounds like he might be. Go get em tomorrow and try to at least get a shot to win the series.
That's all we can hope for at this point.:(:

Brian26
05-31-2007, 08:18 PM
and as much as i'm against it maybe we do have to go get Aaron maybe use Macdougal and Sisco.

Fixed it for you.

nsolo
05-31-2007, 08:19 PM
Living in Michigan, I can't get the game on satellite. Can someone tell me if we looked clueless again at the plate, or was Halladay overpowering?

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 08:20 PM
Per Comcast, ligament damage to Erstad.

soxfanatlanta
05-31-2007, 08:21 PM
The harsh reality is this team is at a crossroads. We have to decide where we stand. Do we have a chance still or not? If the belief we have a chance then we go out and give TBay a kings ransom and acquire Crawford to leadoff and play LF, and as much as i'm against it maybe we do have to go get Aaron maybe use Macdougal and Sisco. If the general feeling is that we cannot turn this around white flag time. Start dealing away. Maybe Burls to the NYM for Heilman and Milledge. Maybe JD/Contreras to Anaheim for Santana and one of their young middle infielders that they have an over abundance of. Someone would be willing to take Iguchi hell maybe he can go with Burls to the Mets. Move Crede to and let the era of Josh Fields begin.
Perhaps this is just aggravation talking but I feel we are done. Last year when we were struggling we still had fire and desire this year I don't know they look dead in the water.

I am not willing to go July 31st, 1997 on this team yet. **** no.

itsnotrequired
05-31-2007, 08:21 PM
The harsh reality is this team is at a crossroads. We have to decide where we stand. Do we have a chance still or not? If the belief we have a chance then we go out and give TBay a kings ransom and acquire Crawford to leadoff and play LF, and as much as i'm against it maybe we do have to go get Aaron maybe use Macdougal and Sisco. If the general feeling is that we cannot turn this around white flag time. Start dealing away. Maybe Burls to the NYM for Heilman and Milledge. Maybe JD/Contreras to Anaheim for Santana and one of their young middle infielders that they have an over abundance of. Someone would be willing to take Iguchi hell maybe he can go with Burls to the Mets. Move Crede to and let the era of Josh Fields begin.
Perhaps this is just aggravation talking but I feel we are done. Last year when we were struggling we still had fire and desire this year I don't know they look dead in the water.

Way ahead of you.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3379 (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/../rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3379)

sox1970
05-31-2007, 08:21 PM
Erstad walking with crutches. No bone damage. Good news, but this team is still dead.

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:21 PM
No bone damage on Erstad, just ligaments. Isn't that worse?

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:22 PM
Living in Michigan, I can't get the game on satellite. Can someone tell me if we looked clueless again at the plate, or was Halladay overpowering?

We were clueless at the plate. Halladay hasn't pitched in the bigs in a month.

We had second-and-third, no outs for the top of the order in the third. We blew it. Obviously, it's a different game if we cash that opportunity in.

itsnotrequired
05-31-2007, 08:22 PM
No bone damage on Erstad, just ligaments. Isn't that worse?

Erstad cast his ligaments to the wind many moons ago.

salty99
05-31-2007, 08:22 PM
Hopefully 15 day DL at worst ???

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:22 PM
No bone damage on Erstad, just ligaments. Isn't that worse?

Depends. Did the report give a prognosis? Anyone?

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:23 PM
Erstad cast his ligaments to the wind many moons ago.

And all he got was that stupid t-shirt :D:

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 08:23 PM
No bone damage on Erstad, just ligaments. Isn't that worse?

Melton said so.

Lukin13
05-31-2007, 08:23 PM
No bone damage on Erstad, just ligaments. Isn't that worse?

No bone damage... I bet it is just bone on bone "grinding".

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:24 PM
Depends. Did the report give a prognosis? Anyone?

Nope. Pat Boyle is the anchor tonight and offers his usual nothing. Melton just chuckled.

oeo
05-31-2007, 08:24 PM
If this thing don't fix itself, unfortunately Crede will be the first to go.

No. It'll be one of Dye, Iguchi, or Buehrle. If things keep going downhill, I would not be against trading Dye, Iguchi, and Crede...Burls better stay.

Brian26
05-31-2007, 08:25 PM
The bad part about this right now is that if Kenny tried to go out and get Rowand, Griffey or Ibanez, the price is going to be sky high since we are working from a disadvantage.

The Immigrant
05-31-2007, 08:25 PM
If this thing don't fix itself, unfortunately Crede will be the first to go.

I miss the Sept. '05 - June '06 Crede. This version is just not right.

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 08:25 PM
What would postgame shows with Rongey be like if they had OB with him?

ShoelessJoeS
05-31-2007, 08:25 PM
Wow, Buehrle pitched like an ace today. No offense though...

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:26 PM
No bone damage... I bet it is just bone on bone "grinding".

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Qa-BefoZDXk0tM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/D_oh.jpg/250px-D_oh.jpg

"OW! My grinding bone!"

Post is rated PG-13.

Soxfest
05-31-2007, 08:26 PM
This team is dead man walking!

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:26 PM
Nope. Pat Boyle is the anchor tonight and offers his usual nothing. Melton just chuckled.

Boyle is a ****ing idiot. I'm at the office, and I should have access to the Sun-Times story soon. I'll post a report when one becomes available.

itsnotrequired
05-31-2007, 08:26 PM
The bad part about this right now is that if Kenny tried to go out and get Rowand, Griffey or Ibanez, the price is going to be sky high since we are working from a disadvantage.

That is why I'm thinking if there is a move, it will be something wild. Totally out of nowhere. Multi-team, multi-player. So sayeth itsnotrequired.

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:27 PM
I miss the Sept. '05 - June '06 Crede. This version is just not right.

He hasn't had one spark this year. Looks old.

salty99
05-31-2007, 08:27 PM
Comcast saying hopefully a couple weeks on Erstad.

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 08:27 PM
If they DL Erstad, Owens comes up?

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:28 PM
Comcast saying hopefully a couple weeks on Erstad.

That sounds like a firm medical diagnosis.

BeviBall!
05-31-2007, 08:28 PM
No. It'll be one of Dye, Iguchi, or Buehrle. If things keep going downhill, I would not be against trading Dye, Iguchi, and Crede...Burls better stay.

At this point, who knows? With Fields ready to go and Boras answering Joe's calls, I'll still bet on Crede.

salty99
05-31-2007, 08:29 PM
That sounds like a firm medical diagnosis.

yes. Ozzie trying to spin it maybe. Who knows.

getonbckthr
05-31-2007, 08:30 PM
So ****ing dissapointing it would be one thing if we lacked talent but thats not the case. The talent is there the performance is not.

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:31 PM
yes. Ozzie trying to spin it maybe. Who knows.

Well, actually, if Ozzie said it, maybe it's a reasonable statement. I thought you meant the Comcast guys were speculating that it would be a couple weeks.

The Immigrant
05-31-2007, 08:34 PM
At this point, who knows? With Fields ready to go and Boras answering Joe's calls, I'll still bet on Crede.

Unfortunately, it's hard to move a Boras client who needs back surgery and hasn't looked right since the middle of last year. You're not exactly selling high at this point.

Tragg
05-31-2007, 08:36 PM
Doesn't Podsednik come back soon? Offensively, he's better than ERstad, so I don't see how this suddenly throws us out (if we were really in it to getin with). WE do have a CF issue though.

salty99
05-31-2007, 08:37 PM
Doesn't Podsednik come back soon? Offensively, he's better than ERstad, so I don't see how this suddenly throws us out (if we were really in it to getin with). WE do have a CF issue though.

No I don't think Pods will back until late June at the earliest.

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:37 PM
Doesn't Podsednik come back soon? Offensively, he's better than ERstad, so I don't see how this suddenly throws us out (if we were really in it to getin with). WE do have a CF issue though.

Pods hasn't played in almost two months. When he is ready, he'll need two weeks on a rehab assignment. By then, maybe Erstad will be back.

nsolo
05-31-2007, 08:39 PM
So ****ing dissapointing it would be one thing if we lacked talent but thats not the case. The talent is there the performance is not.s

What's disappointing is the fact that my only positive belief in this team is their ability to find a way to lose. For example, when I tuned in to yesterday's game, the score was 6-1, but the first thought that came to mind was that they were going to blow it.

That sounds like a load of ****, but its my present mindset.

rocky biddle
05-31-2007, 08:40 PM
What's disappointing is the fact that my only positive belief in this team is their ability to find a way to lose. For example, when I tuned in to yesterday's game, the score was 6-1, but the first thought that came to mind was that they were going to blow it.

That sounds like a load of ****, but its my present mindset.

It's all your fault. Stop watching!

kitekrazy
05-31-2007, 08:41 PM
What would postgame shows with Rongey be like if they had OB with him?

Just like those who call in. OB gets irrational when he's emotional.

nsolo
05-31-2007, 08:43 PM
It's all your fault. Stop watching!

I can't watch, I live in Michigan and in most cases the games are blacked out. I will stop listening on the radio is you'll think it will help.

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 08:43 PM
Rongey just reported that Owens has been taken out of his game with Charlotte tonight and hinted this could be a sign he's being called up.

Grzegorz
05-31-2007, 08:45 PM
I can't watch, I live in Michigan and in most cases the games are blacked out. I will stop listening on the radio is you'll think it will help.

Believe me, you're not missing much on television. Stay with the radio side...

JB98
05-31-2007, 08:45 PM
Believe me, you're not missing much on television. Stay with the radio side...

I think the announcers' excuse-making is a little less on the radio side.

rocky biddle
05-31-2007, 08:46 PM
I can't watch, I live in Michigan and in most cases the games are blacked out. I will stop listening on the radio is you'll think it will help.

I wish I knew what would help. I think ondafarm might have a few ideas though.

Brian26
05-31-2007, 08:48 PM
Singleton's call on every pitch....
"cut on and...."

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 08:50 PM
Rongey just reported that Owens has been taken out of his game with Charlotte tonight and hinted this could be a sign he's being called up.

Rongey further reported that Owens was taken out in the middle of the inning when the Knights were on defense meaning they needed him to be ready to go to Toronto.

sox1970
05-31-2007, 08:52 PM
Rongey further reported that Owens was taken out in the middle of the inning when the Knights were on defense meaning they needed him to be ready to go to Toronto.

That had to be an exciting jog off the field. I hope the kid does well.

salty99
05-31-2007, 08:52 PM
Rongey further reported that Owens was taken out in the middle of the inning when the Knights were on defense meaning they needed him to be ready to go to Toronto.

Is Jeremy Reed available? Will we ever get some home-grown talent up here that sticks?

cws05champ
05-31-2007, 08:52 PM
No bone damage on Erstad, just ligaments. Isn't that worse?

I had ligament damage in my ankle 5 years ago playing football. I wish I would have just broke the ankle instead. It took me 8 weeks before I could somewhat walk normally, and 4 months of PT to get the ankle strength back. Even after that I still felt twinges of pain doing certain movements. It took me 7-8 months to get back to 100%. I don't even pretend to be a professional athelete(except in Vegas), but it was tough to come back from. It all depends on the severity of the strain/tear....but it looked pretty bad and I would not be surprised if he torn the achilles.

salty99
05-31-2007, 08:53 PM
I had ligament damage in my ankle 5 years ago playing football. I wish I would have just broke the ankle instead. It took me 8 weeks before I could somewhat walk normally, and 4 months of PT to get the ankle strength back. Even after that I still felt twinges of pain doing certain movements. It took me 7-8 months to get back to 100%. I don't even pretend to be a professional athelete(except in Vegas), but it was tough to come back from. It all depends on the severity of the strain/tear....but it looked pretty bad and I would not be surprised if he torn the achilles.

But Erstad is a grinder.

Brian26
05-31-2007, 08:55 PM
The caller thinks Aardsma and Sisco were taken off the junk heap.

I guess Jenks was taken off the junk heap too.

kitekrazy
05-31-2007, 08:56 PM
So ****ing dissapointing it would be one thing if we lacked talent but thats not the case. The talent is there the performance is not.

Maybe they do lack talent and some are on the downside of their career. Maybe they have gotten "old". I think the trade deadline will be difficult since the Sox will be in the mix of dumping older players.

salty99
05-31-2007, 08:57 PM
The caller thinks Aardsma and Sisco were taken off the junk heap.

I guess Jenks was taken off the junk heap too.

I think most of the callers are morons.

cws05champ
05-31-2007, 09:02 PM
The caller thinks Aardsma and Sisco were taken off the junk heap.

I guess Jenks was taken off the junk heap too.

I agree...the Royals and Cubs I do consider to be the junk heap!!!

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 09:03 PM
:tomatoaward:

kitekrazy
05-31-2007, 09:04 PM
Any positives in this one?

Anyone?



Well the Big Hurt is getting closer to the 500 HR mark. Pretty good for a guy who wasn't a cheater.

IlliniSox4Life
05-31-2007, 09:05 PM
This has just been depressing lately. I'm not throwing in the towel, I'm not saying we need drastic changes and trades, but it hasn't been fun watching these guys play baseball lately. That is all.

lostfan
05-31-2007, 09:05 PM
The caller thinks Aardsma and Sisco were taken off the junk heap.

I guess Jenks was taken off the junk heap too.
He was though. Wasn't he claimed off waivers after the Angels pulled the plug?

Brian26
05-31-2007, 09:07 PM
He was though. Wasn't he claimed off waivers after the Angels pulled the plug?

That's exactly my point.

chisoxfanatic
05-31-2007, 09:07 PM
This team has had ZERO killer instinct this entire road trip!!! Thankfully the month of May draws to a close, and that we have interleague play coming up very soon. If they have another month like this, it'll be time to be sellers and to bring up all the youth for experience.

This is ****ing depressing to watch!!! Especially since we're so shortly removed from being World Series Champions!!! :angry:

Jurr
05-31-2007, 09:09 PM
Like we've said all week....this team is an average ballclub. Period. They'll hang around .500 all year, and will frustrate its fan base beyond comparision.
It's a sad ordeal, but our fans will be popping in the 2005 DVD set this year wondering what happened to our club in such a short time. :angry:

slowlearner
05-31-2007, 09:12 PM
The team looks eerily like it did in the second half of last year.

With all due respect, this team is nowhere near that good.

Grzegorz
05-31-2007, 09:13 PM
This team has had ZERO killer instinct this entire road trip!!!

chisoxfanatic,

Not to be confrontational but how is 'killer instinct' measured? I tend to believe the slide is a combination of poor fundamentals, a less than average skill set, and diminishing skill.

whitesoxfan
05-31-2007, 09:14 PM
Followed the game on my phone. Just glad I wasn't able to watch it on TV. We get 6 hits and no runs and they get 2 hits and 2 runs. Enough said. When the pitching is good, the offense blows (like tonight). When the offense is good, the pitching is bad (like two of the last 3 against the Twinks). Like many have been mentioned, this is just an average ballclub.

Cellview22
05-31-2007, 09:15 PM
Does anyone know the last time the Sox were 7 1/2 games back before September? I can't remember exactly the last summer where we weren't in an exciting race. Was it '99? This is really depressing; I need to find something that'll lift my spirits. I wasn't expecting this. Iguchi, Thome, Konerko, Dye, Crede, AJ .. never thought they'd look so bad and out of the race this early.
How depressed is everyone else? :(:

chisoxfanatic
05-31-2007, 09:16 PM
chisoxfanatic,

Not to be confrontational but how is 'killer instinct' measured? I tend to believe the slide is a combination of poor fundamentals, a less than average skill set, and diminishing skill.

My definition of a "killer instinct" is putting away teams when you have the opportunity WHICH WE'RE NOT DOING, and taking advantage of golden scoring opportunities (such as ducks on the pond and nobody out :angry: ) WHICH WE'RE NOT DOING!

kitekrazy
05-31-2007, 09:18 PM
chisoxfanatic,
I tend to believe the slide is a combination of poor fundamentals, a less than average skill set, and diminishing skill.

Great explanation.

JB98
05-31-2007, 09:18 PM
Does anyone know the last time the Sox were 7 1/2 games back before September? I can't remember exactly the last summer where we weren't in an exciting race. Was it '99? This is really depressing; I need to find something that'll lift my spirits. I wasn't expecting this. Iguchi, Thome, Konerko, Dye, Crede, AJ .. never thought they'd look so bad and out of the race this early.
How depressed is everyone else? :(:

In 2003, we went 11-16 in May. We fell back by seven or eight games.

I can't lift your spirits. I'm sorry.

slowlearner
05-31-2007, 09:20 PM
The bad part about this right now is that if Kenny tried to go out and get Rowand, Griffey or Ibanez, the price is going to be sky high since we are working from a disadvantage.

You're right on the price, but I honestly don't think Kenny's buying. It always struck me that he likes to deal from strength, not weakness. Right now, almost any move he could make looks (and probably is) pretty desperate. Sox win with what they have or they don't win at all. I don't think there's any help coming.

cws05champ
05-31-2007, 09:22 PM
Does anyone know the last time the Sox were 7 1/2 games back before September? I can't remember exactly the last summer where we weren't in an exciting race. Was it '99? This is really depressing; I need to find something that'll lift my spirits. I wasn't expecting this. Iguchi, Thome, Konerko, Dye, Crede, AJ .. never thought they'd look so bad and out of the race this early.
How depressed is everyone else? :(:

Only 4 games out of the wild card though!!!:smile:

champagne030
05-31-2007, 09:22 PM
Any positives in this one?




Anyone?


Starting pitching was great....

http://pollyanna.250free.com/pollyanna2.jpg

The offense.......not so much. Same **** different day. We're just not very good this year.

kitekrazy
05-31-2007, 09:24 PM
You're right on the price, but I honestly don't think Kenny's buying. It always struck me that he likes to deal from strength, not weakness. Right now, almost any move he could make looks (and probably is) pretty desperate. Sox win with what they have or they don't win at all. I don't think there's any help coming.

A mid season "band aid" has never worked for the Sox.

Cellview22
05-31-2007, 09:25 PM
In 2003, we went 11-16 in May. We fell back by seven or eight games.

I can't lift your spirits. I'm sorry.

Yeah, you're right. We ended that season 10 games above .500; I remember going into September, the talk in Chicago was 'who has a better chance at post season, Cubs or Sox'. A lot has changed since then. Just think, that same season, Detroit finished in last place with a 43-119 record, 47 games back.

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 09:43 PM
The only thing that I'm holding on to hope with is that in 1983 we were under .500 going into the All Star Break....We can turn this thing around...but time is running out.

Brian26
05-31-2007, 09:45 PM
The only thing that I'm holding on to hope with is that in 1983 we were under .500 going into the All Star Break....We can turn this thing around...but time is running out.

Without cheating and looking at retrosheet, I'm fairly certain the Sox were above .500 before the All-Star break that year.

skobabe8
05-31-2007, 09:47 PM
The only thing that I'm holding on to hope with is that in 1983 we were under .500 going into the All Star Break....We can turn this thing around...but time is running out.

Add to that Dusty Baker predicting we will be 1 game out of first by the end of June on BBTN moments ago. We are set.

Viva Medias B's
05-31-2007, 09:48 PM
Chris Rongey just said he cares about all of us and that we should not go to bed angry with him.

:rolleyes:

sox1970
05-31-2007, 09:49 PM
The only thing that I'm holding on to hope with is that in 1983 we were under .500 going into the All Star Break....We can turn this thing around...but time is running out.

40-37 at the break. They went on to go to 49-47, then finished the season 99-63 by going 50-16 over the last 66.

If anyone thinks this team is capable of a hot second half with this bunch, you're nuts. If they don't go 21-7 in June, they're done. In other words, they're done.

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 09:49 PM
Without cheating and looking at retrosheet, I'm fairly certain the Sox were above .500 before the All-Star break that year.
That could be...I'll have to double check, but let's put it like this, we weren't very good in the first half of 1983

QCIASOXFAN
05-31-2007, 09:54 PM
I was just watching Baseball Tonight and they were giving out Their "Bold Predictions" for the month of June. When it came to Dusty Baker he predicted the Sox will be within one game of first place by the end of June. If fell a whole lot better now.

PeoriaSoxFan
05-31-2007, 10:09 PM
I missed the game tonight coaching my daughter's softball game. I come home and hear that MB only gave up 2 runs thru 8 innings. I run in the house trying to catch the 9th or assuming that I would be watching the victory back on Tivo.....then shock comes in. You wouldn't think I could be shocked anymore. We lose 2-0. Just fantastic. Then, I just read that MB only gave up 2 hits, both HRs. Then, I read that we had a man on 2nd and 3rd with no outs, I think in the 3rd, and once again, we manage not to score. Once again, Mack thrown out at home. Going on contact I guess, but that seems to happen too much. Icing on the cake, Erstad going on the DL. Tell me that this all isn't true? Did I get hit on the head with a softball coaching my game or should I hope to get hit with one, so I can forget this ever happened? What next? ugghhhh!!!! Still love the Sox, but wow, this is trying...........:mad:

RadioheadRocks
05-31-2007, 10:09 PM
That could be...I'll have to double check, but let's put it like this, we weren't very good in the first half of 1983

IIRC they were 27-34 at their lowest point, and Tom Paciorek was not a happy camper ("This isn't exactly the '27 Yankees... I want out").

PeoriaSoxFan
05-31-2007, 10:15 PM
The harsh reality is this team is at a crossroads. We have to decide where we stand. Do we have a chance still or not? If the belief we have a chance then we go out and give TBay a kings ransom and acquire Crawford to leadoff and play LF, and as much as i'm against it maybe we do have to go get Aaron maybe use Macdougal and Sisco. If the general feeling is that we cannot turn this around white flag time. Start dealing away. Maybe Burls to the NYM for Heilman and Milledge. Maybe JD/Contreras to Anaheim for Santana and one of their young middle infielders that they have an over abundance of. Someone would be willing to take Iguchi hell maybe he can go with Burls to the Mets. Move Crede to and let the era of Josh Fields begin.
Perhaps this is just aggravation talking but I feel we are done. Last year when we were struggling we still had fire and desire this year I don't know they look dead in the water.


I don't like to start controversy with others, but I think we are at least a couple of weeks away from making these calls. Also, why would anyone give us Rowand or equal caliber player for Mac Walk Everyone or Andrew I am in the Minors and couldn't make it in KC Sisco? Not sure about your other trades either. Not likely. Why would LA trade Santana for an inconsistent Jose? And, I say sign MB, don't trade him. They can afford to do it. I don't think we are done yet, but understand your aggravation and feelings there. Hopefully, they do something soon to make this turn around, but it is hard to stay optimistic.

brewcrew/chisox
05-31-2007, 10:42 PM
Way ahead of you.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3379 (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/../rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3379)

Nice article. I like the Brewers reference as well. I bounce back and forth from Brewerfan.net and this one, and on most days, I could just copy and paste posts and threads from one and put them in the other.:(:

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2007, 10:45 PM
40-37 at the break. They went on to go to 49-47, then finished the season 99-63 by going 50-16 over the last 66.

If anyone thinks this team is capable of a hot second half with this bunch, you're nuts. If they don't go 21-7 in June, they're done. In other words, they're done.
If the pitching staff holds up, the bullpen stops exploding and Paulie, Thome and JD get hot all at the same time, this team can ahve a very HOT second half. IT doesn't look good, but we're not dead.

ND_Sox_Fan
05-31-2007, 11:07 PM
I think Crede is hurting pretty badly - his back is really hindering him right now. Even if we wanted to trade him, could he even pass a physical for a trade right now?

I would much rather go to the park to see about 10 of our current guys plus a bunch of AAAers finish the season than this current group. At least we could field a team that would play great defense and be fun to watch on the bases - they couldn't help but to reach base as much as this current crew.

A while back, I took one of those surveys conducted by a Sox employee at the park. One of her questions was, "Would you rather have a competitive team or a winning team?". My response was, "They are one in the same." At this point, I realize there might be a difference - I will settle for competitive for the rest of the year.

Nellie_Fox
06-01-2007, 12:56 AM
I think the announcers' excuse-making is a little less on the radio side.They don't have time between talking about their golf games and interviewing White Sox Charities representatives while totally ignoring the game.

JB98
06-01-2007, 01:06 AM
They don't have time between talking about their golf games and interviewing White Sox Charities representatives while totally ignoring the game.

Good point. Neither Sox broadcast team is really worth listening to, IMO.

gobears1987
06-01-2007, 01:19 AM
Good point. Neither Sox broadcast team is really worth listening to, IMO.
I miss Rooney.:(:

VenturaFan23
06-01-2007, 08:03 AM
I think this quote from Clark Griswald says it all right now.....

"Worse?! How could it possibly get any worse? Take a look around you Ellen. We're at the threshold of hell!"

Chez
06-01-2007, 08:18 AM
A mid season "band aid" has never worked for the Sox.

Julio Cruz in '83? Charles Johnson in '00? Just two off the top of my head which worked out.

Law11
06-01-2007, 08:23 AM
I think this quote from Clark Griswald says it all right now.....

"Worse?! How could it possibly get any worse? Take a look around you Ellen. We're at the threshold of hell!"

Praise Marty Moose!!

ws05champs
06-01-2007, 09:20 AM
Wow, what a night. I had a dream that the last guy we had with any speed got injured and Buehrle pitched a 2 hitter and lost. Guess I need to stay away from those late night burritos at 7-11 hehehe. . . Wait I didn't have any late night burritos at 7-11 last night.

Does that mean it really happened? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

IndianWhiteSox
06-01-2007, 11:14 AM
Julio Cruz in '83? Charles Johnson in '00? Just two off the top of my head which worked out.

This isn't a band-aid situation, this is more of an under the knife procedure.
:o:

FielderJones
06-01-2007, 11:52 AM
40-37 at the break. They went on to go to 49-47, then finished the season 99-63 by going 50-16 over the last 66.

If anyone thinks this team is capable of a hot second half with this bunch, you're nuts. If they don't go 21-7 in June, they're done. In other words, they're done.

The same was probably said of the 1983 bunch and the 1906 bunch. :tongue:

The epitome of dark-cloudness is making a bold gloom-and-doom prediction before the season is half over, and then being proven right. Congratulations. You told us so. :rolleyes:

hawkjt
06-01-2007, 01:50 PM
The sox are two games in the loss column behind the wildcard leader and if they only go 20-8 in june they have no shot at making the playoffs?

If they go 20-8 in june, they will be the wildcard leader , I predict.
But you would still say they are dead, I presume?