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Jerry_Manuel
03-30-2002, 12:52 PM
From the SouthTown:
Bob Howry lost his role as setup man to Glover two weeks ago. Glover's recent struggles, though, have forced Manuel to take a "setup by committee" philosophy.

Glover was touched for a two-run homer by Alex Ochoa in the seventh inning Friday night, a blow that turned out to be the game-winner.

Glover has allowed a team-high six homers in exhibition play and is saddled with an 11.57 ERA.

"We'd like one (regular setup pitcher), but unfortunately, things don't always work out that way," Manuel said. "We'll have a committee to bridge us to (closer Keith) Foulke."

According to Manuel, the committee will consist of Howry, Glover, Marte and Antonio Osuna

GASHWOUND
03-30-2002, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
From the SouthTown:


Well, what did we expect? We had the merry-go-round line-up last year, this year we'll have the merry-go-round of set up men to get to Foulke. Lowe would look really nice right about now.
And do you really think Glover is a bad as he's pitching right now? Garland too. of course I'm basing this onlast years performances when they both did really good when it counted, not spring games.
Howry has fallen off the freakin map. How the hell could he be throwing slower than last year? He's a year removed from surgery, shouldn't there be improvment? ***?!

czalgosz
03-30-2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by GASHWOUND


Well, what did we expect? We had the merry-go-round line-up last year, this year we'll have the merry-go-round of set up men to get to Foulke. Lowe would look really nice right about now.
And do you really think Glover is a bad as he's pitching right now? Garland too. of course I'm basing this onlast years performances when they both did really good when it counted, not spring games.
Howry has fallen off the freakin map. How the hell could he be throwing slower than last year? He's a year removed from surgery, shouldn't there be improvment? ***?!

Glover had a great spring last year, which is why he made the team last year. I think he'll be fine in a long-relief role and spot-starting - eating inning, IOW. I don't like him as a set-up man.

Osuna looks great this spring - I believe he'll end up becoming the regular set-up man this year.

Marte hasn't pitched very much in the majors, so he's kind of an x-factor, but this is something that gave me pause when I looked at his numbers -

career vs. lefties -

60 AB, 21 H, 5 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 10 BB, 12 K.

BA - .350
OBP - .444
SLG - .517
OPS - .961

That's a small sample size, but it leads me to believe he wouldn't be good as a lefty specialist, which is what it seems they're steering him towards. Hopefully Wunsch can come back to 100% and relieve him of that duty.

Bob Howry is the one that I'm most concerned about. Obviously there's something very wrong with him that they're not telling us about.

I think that Josh Fogg would be nicer to have right now than Sean Lowe.

Jerry_Manuel
03-30-2002, 01:21 PM
That's a small sample size, but it leads me to believe he wouldn't be good as a lefty specialist, which is what it seems they're steering him towards.

He got off to a good start last night. However, if they use him as a lefty specialist, then what role does Mike Porzio play?

Jerry_Manuel
03-30-2002, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz
Glover had a great spring last year, which is why he made the team last year. I think he'll be fine in a long-relief role and spot-starting - eating inning, IOW. I don't like him as a set-up man.

Osuna looks great this spring - I believe he'll end up becoming the regular set-up man this year.


I agree with you on Glover, Czal. He's basically Sean Lowe, he can start or come out of the bullpen. I think Osuna should be the setup man, as you pointed out he's pitched well this spring and is the best option at this point.

czalgosz
03-30-2002, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel


He got off to a good start last night. However, if they use him as a lefty specialist, then what role does Mike Porzio play?

Porzio would actually be a better lefty specialist, IMO, but he'll end up as 12th man - eating innings in blowouts, unless Marte absolutely sucks.

Jerry_Manuel
03-30-2002, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz
Porzio would actually be a better lefty specialist, IMO, but he'll end up as 12th man - eating innings in blowouts, unless Marte absolutely sucks.

So in other words Mike Porzio = Ken Vining?

czalgosz
03-30-2002, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel


So in other words Mike Porzio = Ken Vining?

Hopefully not, but probably, yes. I really hope they give Pozio a shot to see what he can do before Wunsch comes back.

danman31
03-30-2002, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
So in other words Mike Porzio = Ken Vining? I think that may be the safest way to work him in, but with Howry in there you never know what this bullpen "should" be like.

Whoo!! Post #1500!!! :)

kermittheefrog
03-30-2002, 02:00 PM
Okay this is just dumb. We've got two lefties on the staff and neither of them showed an ability to get lefties out last year.

Porizio's 2001 AAA splits.

vs. Left
.336 BA 110 ABs 37 H 3 HR 17 SO
vs. Right
.248 BA 407 ABs 101 H 11 HR 90 SO

czalgosz
03-30-2002, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
Okay this is just dumb. We've got two lefties on the staff and neither of them showed an ability to get lefties out last year.

Porizio's 2001 AAA splits.

vs. Left
.336 BA 110 ABs 37 H 3 HR 17 SO
vs. Right
.248 BA 407 ABs 101 H 11 HR 90 SO

Jeez.

You know, I don't think that KW even looks at stats when he's making a decision on a player. He's an ex-scout, so it seems that he puts total faith in scouting reports.

Which is great if you're overseeing a draft of guys who have been playing with aluminum bats their whole lives, but when you're assessing major-league talent, you'd think you could at least glance at the guy's numbers...

GASHWOUND
03-30-2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz


Glover had a great spring last year, which is why he made the team last year. I think he'll be fine in a long-relief role and spot-starting - eating inning, IOW. I don't like him as a set-up man.

Osuna looks great this spring - I believe he'll end up becoming the regular set-up man this year.

Marte hasn't pitched very much in the majors, so he's kind of an x-factor, but this is something that gave me pause when I looked at his numbers -

career vs. lefties -

60 AB, 21 H, 5 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 10 BB, 12 K.

BA - .350
OBP - .444
SLG - .517
OPS - .961

That's a small sample size, but it leads me to believe he wouldn't be good as a lefty specialist, which is what it seems they're steering him towards. Hopefully Wunsch can come back to 100% and relieve him of that duty.

Bob Howry is the one that I'm most concerned about. Obviously there's something very wrong with him that they're not telling us about.

I think that Josh Fogg would be nicer to have right now than Sean Lowe.

I agree, Glover looks more suited to more long relief or 5th starter than set-up. Althugh when did he did start last year I don't remember him going into the 6th or 7th too many times. I remeber he would pitch Parque-ish, pretty dominant the first 4 or 5 inninsg before he fell off the wagon. So he should be more in that "Middle relief" role than set-up.
And if my memory serves me right(rarely does) Osuna had a great Spring lasy year before he injured his arm early in the season. If this dude gets injured again, we're F'd. But he's are only option as of right now in that set-up role, which points out the wafer-thin depth we have in the pitching department.

I hope Howry isn't pulling a Parque. Parque was hurt last year, but pitched through the pain cause he did't want yto admit he was hurt. Of course he got bombed and eventually he had to admit it. I see something similar to that with Howry, Howry may feel some "discomfort" in that shoulder, but shrugs it off as spring soreness or whatever.
What else could it be? His velocity is DOWN from last year when he was relatively healthy.
I can't see any other reasoning for his POOR, POOR, display of gofer ball pitching.

GASHWOUND
03-30-2002, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz
I think that Josh Fogg would be nicer to have right now than Sean Lowe.

You mean in the long run, or just this year? Yeah, I would like to have Fogg in the ong run casue he's younger than Lowe, but I'd pick Lowe for this year over Fogg.
For one i thinks he's a better pitcher right now, he has experience pitching in long relief and pitch starting and was great at it.
So if I had to pick one I would go with Sean Lown cause he was VERY dependable. One game that sticks out in my mind is when he came in for David Wells in that Cubs game last year and just kicked butt. That defined Lowe for me, and what he ment to the ball club. So, Lowe's my guy
:sean
"I'm the man!"

duke of dorwood
03-30-2002, 09:39 PM
According to the pitch speed at Miller Park, Howry got to 86 mph today, thats it

baggio202
03-30-2002, 09:52 PM
i have a question...everyone seems to be in love with gary glover...they call the eyre trade a steal..this guy is our future..blah ,blah blah....

can i ask based on what???

he was 5-5 with a 4.93 era...his splits arnt very good at all...he really had a bad sept so its not like he sucked and then all of a sudden found it and finished real strong...his era in july was lower than what he finished with...to me he was very inconsistent...

the people who think sean lowe sucked seem to love glover...i must be missing something...