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anewman35
05-28-2007, 12:03 PM
According to the game notes and roster on Whitesox.com, Andy Gonzalez and Dewon Day were called up before today's game.

whitesoxfan
05-28-2007, 12:09 PM
Wow, this is a huge surprise :o:

salty99
05-28-2007, 12:11 PM
Wow, this is a huge surprise :o:

Well Day might be, but not Gonzalez.

SoxxoS
05-28-2007, 12:14 PM
I think Josh Fields would have been the better call up -

Joe
05-28-2007, 12:17 PM
I think Josh Fields would have been the better call up -

How so? Fields needs to be playing everyday, not rotting on the bench.

soxinem1
05-28-2007, 12:20 PM
How so? Fields needs to be playing everyday, not rotting on the bench.

Why can't he play every day in LF? None of the guys on the team now will be starting there anyway either this year or next year. LEt's see what he can do full-time.

Just more proof that KW and Ozzie are afraid to break in their own home grown players, especially position players.

Mackowiak can back up 3B and 2B. Gonzalez will be the one rotting now.

whitesoxfan
05-28-2007, 12:23 PM
I think Josh Fields would have been the better call up -

Jerry Owens would have been the best call up. Fields needs to be playing everyday, which he wouldn't be doing over here.

salty99
05-28-2007, 12:25 PM
Why can't he play every day in LF? None of the guys on the team now will be starting there anyway either this year or next year. LEt's see what he can do full-time.

Just more proof that KW and Ozzie are afaid to break in their own home grown players.

Mackowiak can back up 3B and 2B. Gonzalez will be the one rotting now.

Fields has never played left that is why. They always talked about it in spring training, etc but it never happened. So yes that is coming back to bite us. Mackowiak will be our left-fielder now and noone cares if Gonzalez rots on the bench. I would rather see Sweeney or Owens in left everyday and let Rob be our LF and 3B backup.

soxinem1
05-28-2007, 12:31 PM
Fields has never played left that is why. They always talked about it in spring training, etc but it never happened. So yes that is coming back to bite us. Mackowiak will be our left-fielder now and noone cares if Gonzalez rots on the bench. I would rather see Sweeney or Owens in left everyday and let Rob be our LF and 3B backup.

Can he be any worse than Pablo, CLee, Pods, or Mack defensively? We have never been known for having sustained a group of great defensive LF's, at least in the last 30 years. Let the guy play.

MCHSoxFan
05-28-2007, 12:36 PM
Well Day might be, but not Gonzalez.

Exactly. I did not expect/think this would happen anytime soon.

Hey, I do NOT give a hoot who is. As long as they do good I am fine with it.

Hitmen77
05-28-2007, 12:38 PM
Here are Day's numbers from AA:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Dewon%2520Day&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457440

Does anyone know how long he's been with the organization?

Scottiehaswheels
05-28-2007, 12:42 PM
Here are Day's numbers from AA:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Dewon%2520Day&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457440

Does anyone know how long he's been with the organization?Looks like when he gets a guy onbase he's a bit of a headcase.... Start him in a fresh inning and he'll do fine...

ondafarm
05-28-2007, 12:46 PM
Day at least looks hopeful as a groundball specialist. At USCF the Sox need a guy like that. Hopefully he can come in and throw strikes.

soxtalker
05-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Can he be any worse than Pablo, CLee, Pods, or Mack defensively? We have never been known for having sustained a group of great defensive LF's, at least in the last 30 years. Let the guy play.

Well, if you think that you might be needing Fields to play 3rd base on a regular basis -- either because Crede's back problem gets worse, or Crede becomes part of a trade -- you probably want to keep him playing 3rd base in AAA.

ND_Sox_Fan
05-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Day at least looks hopeful as a groundball specialist. At USCF the Sox need a guy like that. Hopefully he can come in and throw strikes.

Groundballs and nearly 2 Ks per inning will limit the HRs. Hopefully he can keep that up.

CLR01
05-28-2007, 12:49 PM
Here are Day's numbers from AA:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Dewon%2520Day&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457440

Does anyone know how long he's been with the organization?

Dec of '05 he was signed in the Rule V Draft.

Drafted by Toronto in '03

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/D/Dewon-Day.shtml

Sargeant79
05-28-2007, 01:11 PM
Can he be any worse than Pablo, CLee, Pods, or Mack defensively? We have never been known for having sustained a group of great defensive LF's, at least in the last 30 years. Let the guy play.

Two main reasons you don't do that:

1) You don't just give a guy a new glove and say, "Here, go play this position even though you've never done it before." It would likely be much worse that CLee, Pods, Mack, etc. At least those guys have actual experience playing LF (even though there are days it doesn't look like it)

2) You especially don't do it to a rookie who is going to have to cope with the pressures of being a highly regarded prospect getting a taste of the majors while trying to adjust to and do something with major league pitching. Those things will be hard enough for him; you don't need to add on learning a new position after getting called up to the list of things to worry about.

TDog
05-28-2007, 01:25 PM
Can he be any worse than Pablo, CLee, Pods, or Mack defensively? We have never been known for having sustained a group of great defensive LF's, at least in the last 30 years. Let the guy play.


Why just go back 30 years. Before he was traded in the 1976 season, Carlos May wasn't impressing the Gold Glove voters. He wasn't the worst left fielder in the pre-DH American League because Willie Horton was playing left field for Detroit.

When you're a kid, they put the worst player in right field. When ballplayers grow up, they put the worst defender with the weakest arm in left. Out of position infielders -- even Carlon Fisk -- find their way to left. Ron Kittle wasn't going to make it to the big leagues as a catcher, so he became a left fielder. Carlos Lee was a butcher at third base so he made it as a left fielder. You don't need to limit it to the White Sox. Rafael Soriano was such a butcher at second base that he became a left fielder. There are exceptions, but left field is a position that rarely is honored with a gold glove.

Some people are so bad in left field that they are limited to DHing or move to another position. Joe Crede has depth perception problems that prevented him from playing left field so he was stuck learning to play third base.

Of course, if a left fielder can't hit, he better be able to field his position.

oeo
05-28-2007, 01:30 PM
Can he be any worse than Pablo, CLee, Pods, or Mack defensively? We have never been known for having sustained a group of great defensive LF's, at least in the last 30 years. Let the guy play.

Uhm, Fields will have enough pressure on him; he doesn't need to be learning how to play the outfield at the same time.

soxinem1
05-28-2007, 02:35 PM
Uhm, Fields will have enough pressure on him; he doesn't need to be learning how to play the outfield at the same time.

That's BS. I recall CLee being a 3B and thrown into the LF position. Graig Nettles played a lot of OF before becoming a full-time 3B.

Bear in mind that even with Pods playing LF, we are/will be destined to have one of the least productive OF's in MLB. Since that is the case, and none of the options are even better than average defensively, I'd let Fields play.

But since a lot of you are afraid like KW is to put some trust in the players you drafted, I guess we are better off with the unproductive Motley Crew that has been going out there, especially when Erstad and Mackowiak, even playing every day, will not combine for 100 RBI.

Huisj
05-28-2007, 03:18 PM
That's BS. I recall CLee being a 3B and thrown into the LF position. Graig Nettles played a lot of OF before becoming a full-time 3B.

Bear in mind that even with Pods playing LF, we are/will be destined to have one of the least productive OF's in MLB. Since that is the case, and none of the options are even better than average defensively, I'd let Fields play.

But since a lot of you are afraid like KW is to put some trust in the players you drafted, I guess we are better off with the unproductive Motley Crew that has been going out there, especially when Erstad and Mackowiak, even playing every day, will not combine for 100 RBI.

Yeah, Lee started the year at third base in AAA in '99, and then he made 9 appearances in LF before being called up.

Sargeant79
05-28-2007, 04:20 PM
Yeah, Lee started the year at third base in AAA in '99, and then he made 9 appearances in LF before being called up.

Just because it's been done before doesn't make it a good idea.

kobo
05-28-2007, 04:22 PM
That's BS. I recall CLee being a 3B and thrown into the LF position. Graig Nettles played a lot of OF before becoming a full-time 3B.

Bear in mind that even with Pods playing LF, we are/will be destined to have one of the least productive OF's in MLB. Since that is the case, and none of the options are even better than average defensively, I'd let Fields play.

But since a lot of you are afraid like KW is to put some trust in the players you drafted, I guess we are better off with the unproductive Motley Crew that has been going out there, especially when Erstad and Mackowiak, even playing every day, will not combine for 100 RBI.
So you want the Sox to take Fields and stick him in Left, a position he has never played before, because you are unhappy with the current OF situation? What about when Pods comes back, what do you do with Fields then? Send him back down to play 3rd? Because you know Pods isn't going to be riding pine. Whether you like it or not, Fields is being groomed as Crede's replacement. Sticking him in LF right now just for the sake of seeing what he can do is dumb, and is not going to help the team.

rowand33
05-28-2007, 08:01 PM
I wish we would have called up Owens and started him every day in left field.

GAsoxfan
05-28-2007, 08:59 PM
I'd rather see Terrero get a shot in LF over Mack.

whitesoxfan
05-28-2007, 10:23 PM
I wish we would have called up Owens and started him every day in left field.

Hmm, well if Owens would start everyday in LF, then I would have preferred to see Fields get the callup. He HAS played LF in the minors and he played LF in September for us last year. If he would be playing almost everyday, Fields would have been the logical call up.

I just wanted Owens up here because I figured he wouldn't play everyday and would go into the role that Ozuna held (start here and there, but mainly a 4th OF and PR).

And I agree about Terrero over Mack, but if those were the two choices in LF (which they are right now), I'd probably just have Fields or Sweeney start there everyday.

soxinem1
06-03-2007, 10:12 PM
So you want the Sox to take Fields and stick him in Left, a position he has never played before, because you are unhappy with the current OF situation? What about when Pods comes back, what do you do with Fields then? Send him back down to play 3rd? Because you know Pods isn't going to be riding pine. Whether you like it or not, Fields is being groomed as Crede's replacement. Sticking him in LF right now just for the sake of seeing what he can do is dumb, and is not going to help the team.

When and if Pods does come back, he will not be playing every day, and odds are that this is his last year with the team.

It seems to me that Fields is about as close to MLB-ready as any Sox prospect, so why waste the time in AAA? unlike CLee, he has a bit more raw foot speed and prior minor and major league experience in LF.

So you are saying he should rot in AAA while Crede is still here for the next two seasons? What if Crede signs and extension? Do you leave Fields in AAA waiting for..... anything?

This organization has proven for years that drafting and developing it's own players has been a waste of time, with very few exceptions. They are also afraid to just hand them a position for more than two weeks to see if they can handle it.

Maybe KW doesn't want to do it because the switch from OF to 3B helped ruin his MLB career, but KW's switch was more difficult than this one.

I say try to shake up this dead line up and bring him up. Up, up, up!

balke
06-03-2007, 10:14 PM
When and if Pods does come back, he will not be playing every day, and odds are tht this is his last year with the team.

It seems to me that Fields is about as close to MLB-ready as any Sox prospect, so why waste the time in AAA? unlike CLee, he has a bit more raw foot speed and prior minor and major league experience in LF.

Maybe KW doesn't want to do it because the switch from OF to 3B helped ruin his MLB career, but KW's switch was more difficult than this one.

I say try to shake up this dead line up and bring him up. Up, up, up!

He will be back. Why wouldn't he play everyday?

soxinem1
06-03-2007, 10:19 PM
He will be back. Why wouldn't he play everyday?

If you are speaking of Pods, he may not be around until August. His running skills were already fading, and it is quite obvious his injury is so severe than no one in the organization, including Pods himself, can put any type of realistic timeline for his return.

And besides, if the team is out of the race by then, he will be in someone elses OF.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-03-2007, 10:31 PM
Just more proof Ozzie hates Brian Anderson.

:wink:

balke
06-04-2007, 08:35 AM
If you are speaking of Pods, he may not be around until August. His running skills were already fading, and it is quite obvious his injury is so severe than no one in the organization, including Pods himself, can put any type of realistic timeline for his return.

And besides, if the team is out of the race by then, he will be in someone elses OF.

I don't think they were fading at all really. He was doing really well this season before the injury. And as far as his timetable, I've heard mid July as the latest return date, not August.