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goldglovesox
05-20-2007, 10:39 AM
I am just wondering if anyone really cares about the Cubs anymore. I can remember when the Cubs Sox series meant so much and the team and the fans used to get so excited for this series. But I do not feel it this year. In 2003 and 2004 when the Cubs were good I really cared that the Sox beat the Cubs. It meant everything. Then we won the World Series on '05 and all of sudden the Cubs did not matter anymore. We had our share of the headlines. We are growing in our fan base. More people are watching the Sox. And the Sox are without a doubt the better team and have been for the past three years. So who cares anymore? I would be far more worried if we could possibly be swept by the Tigers, Indians, or Twins. I'm pissed that we could possibly get swept by the Cubs but not as much as I would be in years passed. Does it matter what the Cubs do anymore? Any thoughts?

itsnotrequired
05-20-2007, 10:40 AM
The Cubs define me as a Sox fan and all actions in my daily life.

I'm also thinking of growing a mustache.

cbotnyse
05-20-2007, 10:45 AM
I never really cared what the Cubs do. 2005 solidified my indifference.

PaulDrake
05-20-2007, 10:55 AM
Oh I have a feeling that sentiments would be quite different if the Sox were going for the sweep. So, let me cast a strong dissenting vote. I care about two absolutely horrible losses. The cubs were reeling from from a typical choke-a-thon in New York, and we proceed to gift wrap two games in a row for them. I hate to tell you, but these losses count. The Sox are losing too many games like this, and slowly but surely digging themselves quite a hole.

veeter
05-20-2007, 11:01 AM
I, like some, hate these games. The Sox came in winning four series in a row. The cubs, three series losses in a row. Because of the media, these games have become some larger-than-life event. Although it shouldn't, I believe this has disrupted the little roll the Sox were on. The cubs, on the other hand, live for these games. This IS their world series. Every season, I can't wait to put these dumb games in the rear view mirror.

goldglovesox
05-20-2007, 11:02 AM
Oh I have a feeling that sentiments would be quite different if the Sox were going for the sweep. So, let me cast a strong dissenting vote. I care about two absolutely horrible losses. The cubs were reeling from from a typical choke-a-thon in New York, and we proceed to gift wrap two games in a row for them. I hate to tell you, but these losses count. The Sox are losing too many games like this, and slowly but surely digging themselves quite a hole.


Fair enough. I see your point that all losses should sting. I am not saying the losses meaningless at all. But in years past it felt like a loss to the Cubs was more than just a loss. It felt like it weighed much more to me you know because it was to the Flubs. So what I was saying was that the losses to the Cubs are just like any other loss now. Believe I am pissed we are giving away games late. But my point was in the past a loss to the Cubs stung more. Now a division loss stings far more than any loss to the Cubs could. That was my point.

DumpJerry
05-20-2007, 11:03 AM
The Cubs are comic relief.

I only "care" about them is when they play us because Cub fans get perverse pleasure in giving us a hard time when they beat us regardless of the overall outcome of all 162 games.

chisoxfanatic
05-20-2007, 11:08 AM
The Cubs are comic relief.

I only "care" about them is when they play us because Cub fans get perverse pleasure in giving us a hard time when they beat us regardless of the overall outcome of all 162 games.

That's basically it. And, we really have the upper-hand in any discussion we have with Cub fans. 10/26/05 gave that to us. So, no, these games don't hold the same strength as before 10/26/05. The war is over.

LongLiveFisk
05-20-2007, 11:08 AM
This IS their world series. Every season, I can't wait to put these dumb games in the rear view mirror.

I feel the exact same way. To me, these games (even though I HATE when the Sox lose them) are just a microcosm of the season. What matters is where your team is at come September, and by then these games are ancient history. Think about 2005. Even if the Cubs had swept both series from the Sox, it wouldn't have mattered in October that year. (They'd probably disagree but we know the real truth.)

chisoxfanatic
05-20-2007, 11:08 AM
I'm also thinking of growing a mustache.

I expect to see you in a full 1700's beard by the season's end. :cool:

chisoxfanatic
05-20-2007, 11:10 AM
I feel the exact same way. To me, these games (even though I HATE when the Sox lose them) are just a microcosm of the season. What matters is where your team is at come September, and by then these games are ancient history. Think about 2005. Even if the Cubs had swept both series from the Sox, it wouldn't have mattered in October that year. (They'd probably disagree but we know the real truth.)
There was a Cub fan on the Sox' MLB board who claimed they should get a share in the trophy in 2005, because they split that season series. I kid you not!

itsnotrequired
05-20-2007, 11:10 AM
That's basically it. And, we really have the upper-hand in any discussion we have with Cub fans. 10/26/05 gave that to us. So, no, these games don't hold the same strength as before 10/26/05. The war is over.

There was a war?

chisoxfanatic
05-20-2007, 11:10 AM
There was a war?
Figuratively speaking.

LongLiveFisk
05-20-2007, 11:12 AM
There was a Cub fan on the Sox' MLB board who claimed they should get a share in the trophy in 2005, because they split that season series. I kid you not!

Oh, I know that. In fact, I quoted that moron a couple times here at WSI. If that were the case, the Sox would have shared quite a few trophies themselves over the years.

rdwj
05-20-2007, 11:13 AM
Pre-2005, they meant much more to me. Now, this is just another series. I'd much more worried about our record vs. divisional opponents.

Steelrod
05-20-2007, 11:13 AM
I Hate the Cubs. Always have, always will!

itsnotrequired
05-20-2007, 11:15 AM
I Hate the Cubs. Always have, always will!

Then join me, my mustachioed brother! Cast aside your Mach 3 and/or Quatro! Our Beards of Shame will become Beards of Glory!

PaulDrake
05-20-2007, 11:19 AM
The war is over. I wish it were true, but it's not. Assuming that the world and MLB will continue to exist for a while, this war is far from over.

Jerko
05-20-2007, 11:22 AM
I guarantee the people who say they "don't care" about the Cubs anymore would be the first ones at Wrigley with brooms if the Sox won the first 2 games. I ****in HATE these games no matter who wins. (obviously I want the Sox to win). If the Cubs win, you have a bunch of morons acting like they won 5 consecutive World Series, if the Sox win you have a bunch of morons acting like it was a major accomplishment to beat a team 3 games under .500 playing the Reds and Pirates all year. Can't wait till today is over so I can enjoy the season again until the next 3 games against these ****in idiots.

Palehose Pete
05-20-2007, 11:28 AM
I guarantee the people who say they "don't care" about the Cubs anymore would be the first ones at Wrigley with brooms if the Sox won the first 2 games. I ****in HATE these games no matter who wins. (obviously I want the Sox to win). If the Cubs win, you have a bunch of morons acting like they won 5 consecutive World Series, if the Sox win you have a bunch of morons acting like it was a major accomplishment to beat a team 3 games under .500 playing the Reds and Pirates all year. Can't wait till today is over so I can enjoy the season again until the next 3 games against these ****in idiots.

Thank you for so succinctly and accurately summing up my feelings about the Cross Town series. :cool:

JGarlandrules20
05-20-2007, 11:32 AM
I feel the same way. It's not fun to lose to them, but the series doesn't hold as much to me as it did before 2005. Before then, we were both 2 teams without a championship in forever. It was really bragging rights over the town because neither of the teams hadn't done anything in a long time.
That was the closest we had to a "world series atmosphere."
It's different now.

I'd be saying the exact same thing if the sox were up 2 games to none.

starboy0
05-20-2007, 11:44 AM
I hate the crosstown series also. Somehow the build up and let down of intensity seems to have more of a negative effect than positive. (For example the whole AJ/Ozzie/North flap) Many of the other teams don't go through this.

At most it should only be one series of 3 games a season alternating park each year.

cbotnyse
05-20-2007, 11:52 AM
I guarantee the people who say they "don't care" about the Cubs anymore would be the first ones at Wrigley with brooms if the Sox won the first 2 games.I wouldn't. I honestly care much much more if we swept someone in the central. These interleague games are OK, but I never get too worked up about them. Of course I want to win every damn game, but the central games matter most to me.

viagracat
05-20-2007, 11:54 AM
I am just wondering if anyone really cares about the Cubs anymore. I can remember when the Cubs Sox series meant so much and the team and the fans used to get so excited for this series. But I do not feel it this year. In 2003 and 2004 when the Cubs were good I really cared that the Sox beat the Cubs. It meant everything. Then we won the World Series on '05 and all of sudden the Cubs did not matter anymore. We had our share of the headlines. We are growing in our fan base. More people are watching the Sox. And the Sox are without a doubt the better team and have been for the past three years. So who cares anymore? I would be far more worried if we could possibly be swept by the Tigers, Indians, or Twins. I'm pissed that we could possibly get swept by the Cubs but not as much as I would be in years passed. Does it matter what the Cubs do anymore? Any thoughts?

You're living in a fantasy world if you don't think the city's going to go goo-goo over the Cubs if they happen to be competing for the playoffs in September; especially if the Sox are out of it. You'll hear more fawning over "Sweet Lou", "D-Lee", "Big Z" and so on--and on--than you thought possible if that comes to pass.

Cubdumb never dies in this town. :(:

vegyrex
05-20-2007, 11:54 AM
Losing to the Cubs STILL bothers me.

We should not be losing to a third rate outfit that masquerades as a professional baseball team. :angry:

hawkjt
05-20-2007, 11:55 AM
I love to beat the cubs but losing to them does not sting like it did before 05.

I agree that I would not mind having the series cut to one 3 game series/year...

I also agree that there is always a feeling of letdown that may affect the club after these series...

but losing to them does really suck... I admit I root for the cubs to lose everyday and even when the sox lose I get to root for another team to beat the cubs..so when the sox lose to the cubs.. it feels like a double dose of bad.. cannot cure myself of this dislike for the cubs.. and I would not want to.. gives me more rooting interests ie. for the sox and for whoever is playing the cubs..

southside rocks
05-20-2007, 12:02 PM
I guarantee the people who say they "don't care" about the Cubs anymore would be the first ones at Wrigley with brooms if the Sox won the first 2 games. I ****in HATE these games no matter who wins. (obviously I want the Sox to win). If the Cubs win, you have a bunch of morons acting like they won 5 consecutive World Series, if the Sox win you have a bunch of morons acting like it was a major accomplishment to beat a team 3 games under .500 playing the Reds and Pirates all year. Can't wait till today is over so I can enjoy the season again until the next 3 games against these ****in idiots.

Pretty much my feelings too. I absolutely loathe the media **** that accompanies the series.

However, after the last two complete botch jobs by the Sox, I think I have some idea how it must feel to be a Cubs fan. Ugh, it's even worse than I would have imagined. How do they put up with entire seasons of this?! :tongue:

thomas35forever
05-20-2007, 12:58 PM
I wasn't as excited going into this series as I had been in years past, but I still hate losing to the Cubs, especially at Wrigley. I feel nothing but contempt for those who bleed Cubbie blue when their team beats us. Well, I guess that's the attitude you have when you've waited almost a century to win another World Series.

Frontman
05-20-2007, 01:01 PM
I never really cared what the Cubs do. 2005 solidified my indifference.

Here here. 2003 I was about to lose it, then Bartman made sure the Cubs wet the bed. Then, when we crossed the finish line first, ie "World Series Champions" in my lifetime; the Cubs mean oh so little to me. I enjoy watching a few of their players; I'm glad that the city has two baseball teams, but beyond that, even if they go all the way this year and win it all, unless they beat the Sox in the Series, means nothing to me as the 2005 Sox made sure we got their first.

The so called "rivalry" doesn't have merit as much as it once did. When you see the Sox hoist that trophy, a cross-town rivalry doesn't hold as much bang.

Thome25
05-20-2007, 01:03 PM
The 2005 season took ALOT of the heat off the crosstown series for Sox fans. It seemed like both teams and their fans had something to prove pre-2005.

But, now that the Sox are the team that has most recently won the WS; it seems more like just another series to me.

We don't have anything to prove to them anymore because the 2005 season really put an exclamation point on our place in the city of Chicago.

I could imagine that they might have an inferiority complex now......because the Cubs and their fans might feel like they're losing their supposed iron grip on the city because the Sox were World Champs.

This series probably means more to the Cubs and their fans because they're the ones who still have something to prove. I do sense that Cubs fans are more hostile towards the Sox and us as fans.......and I suspect it has to do with the fact we won the WS first and they didn't

PKalltheway
05-20-2007, 01:17 PM
The 2005 season took ALOT of the heat off the crosstown series for Sox fans. It seemed like both teams and their fans had something to prove pre-2005.

But, now that the Sox are the team that has most recently won the WS; it seems more like just another series to me.


I will admit, it doesn't hurt nearly as bad now when the Sox lose to the Cubs, but believe you me, I still don't like it when they lose to those clowns. I have always found the games exciting to watch because both teams get up for these games, and they tend to be very close games.

I don't care what anyone else says, I have always enjoyed watching the Sox/Cubs games (unless the Sox are giving up 6 runs in the 8th inning:angry: :angry: :angry: )

roadrunner
05-20-2007, 01:25 PM
I guarantee the people who say they "don't care" about the Cubs anymore would be the first ones at Wrigley with brooms if the Sox won the first 2 games. I ****in HATE these games no matter who wins. (obviously I want the Sox to win). If the Cubs win, you have a bunch of morons acting like they won 5 consecutive World Series, if the Sox win you have a bunch of morons acting like it was a major accomplishment to beat a team 3 games under .500 playing the Reds and Pirates all year. Can't wait till today is over so I can enjoy the season again until the next 3 games against these ****in idiots.

Dude, you are exactly right. I feel like I don't care about the Cubs today but you can count me as one who probably would be loving it if we were up 2 games in the series (i carry a mental broom). The fact that we have to deal with the sideshow of the Cubs winning the series only diminishes any potential enjoyment I might have of watching a Sox victory today. In fact, I am looking forward to today's game less than I've looked forward to any game all year.

goldglovesox
05-20-2007, 01:32 PM
I really used to care about the media pre-2005. I would rather the team be ignored by everyone (except for this board obviously) and have a good team every year. Than have a terrible team whom everyone loves.

I always hear that term "Everyone loves a winner." How in God's name do so many love the Cubs then?

I echo the sentiments of an earlier post. If the Sox fade and the Cubs rise God help us. The media will be all over the Cubs in a fashion way worse than in 2003!

voodoochile
05-20-2007, 01:34 PM
I really used to care about the media pre-2005. I would rather the team be ignored by everyone (except for this board obviously) and have a good team every year. Than have a terrible team whom everyone loves.

I always hear that term "Everyone loves a winner." How in God's name do so many love the Cubs then?

I echo the sentiments of an earlier post. If the Sox fade and the Cubs rise God help us. The media will be all over the Cubs in a fashion way worse than in 2003!

So you actually do care? :tongue:

SOXandILLINI
05-20-2007, 01:35 PM
i came out of the womb a sox fan and anyone who is playing the cubs, and that's how i'll die.... :cool:

cbotnyse
05-20-2007, 01:38 PM
Here here. 2003 I was about to lose it, then Bartman made sure the Cubs wet the bed. Then, when we crossed the finish line first, ie "World Series Champions" in my lifetime; the Cubs mean oh so little to me. I enjoy watching a few of their players; I'm glad that the city has two baseball teams, but beyond that, even if they go all the way this year and win it all, unless they beat the Sox in the Series, means nothing to me as the 2005 Sox made sure we got their first.

The so called "rivalry" doesn't have merit as much as it once did. When you see the Sox hoist that trophy, a cross-town rivalry doesn't hold as much bang.Honestly I can't figure out why Sox fans would care about this series more than any other non-divisonal opponent. If the Cub fans want to bask in the glory of beating us, let them. We have our ring, we got there first, rivalry over.

We have much bigger problems dealing with Detroit, Cleveland and Minnesota.

JB98
05-20-2007, 01:43 PM
Dude, you are exactly right. I feel like I don't care about the Cubs today but you can count me as one who probably would be loving it if we were up 2 games in the series (i carry a mental broom). The fact that we have to deal with the sideshow of the Cubs winning the series only diminishes any potential enjoyment I might have of watching a Sox victory today. In fact, I am looking forward to today's game less than I've looked forward to any game all year.

I am not looking forward to today's game, and I probably won't even watch. I'm planning a nice, long bike ride instead. I hate the crosstown series even when we win. It's downright intolerable when we lose.

infohawk
05-20-2007, 01:57 PM
I used to get really, really tense and worked up about these games. I used to try and get tickets to at least a couple of the games. Beating the Cubs was of the utmost importance to me. Ever since the WS championship, though, they are just six more games on the schedule, albeit they to stand out a little more as somewhat of a novelty. Case in point -- I'm very upset the Sox have dropped the last two games, but not because they dropped them to the Cubs. I'm just upset that they blew two games they should have won.

MCHSoxFan
05-20-2007, 04:14 PM
The Cubs are comic relief.

I only "care" about them is when they play us because Cub fans get perverse pleasure in giving us a hard time when they beat us regardless of the overall outcome of all 162 games.

Could not agreed anymore!

shoelessshaun27!
05-20-2007, 04:38 PM
I, like some, hate these games. The Sox came in winning four series in a row. The cubs, three series losses in a row. Because of the media, these games have become some larger-than-life event. Although it shouldn't, I believe this has disrupted the little roll the Sox were on. The cubs, on the other hand, live for these games. This IS their world series. Every season, I can't wait to put these dumb games in the rear view mirror.


I think cub fans care way too much also, they treat it like a world series. The Cubs are dead to me.

LongLiveFisk
05-20-2007, 05:53 PM
In all honesty we'd care a lot more if the Sox had won those first two games. When things aren't going well it's natural to try to find the silver lining. Most of what has been said in this thread is exactly that--the silver lining. (It just makes us feel better.) :D:

wassagstdu
05-20-2007, 05:56 PM
In the words of an immortal Sox reliever, "I hate the Cubs with every fiber of my being." However, my disdain for the Cubs dates to decades of being "lovable losers," cute because they were so non-threatening. Now the Cubs are a real team, a legitimate .500 team -- a worthy opponent for the '07 Sox. No reason to hate them any more, they deserve a little respect.

chisoxmike
05-20-2007, 06:08 PM
Regardless of what you people think of these games, they still count and they are still games you have to win. They're not meaningless by any means.

Anything and everything happens in these 6 games, I'd rather kick the **** out of the Twins, but these games are entertaining at least.

MRM
05-20-2007, 08:24 PM
Honestly I can't figure out why Sox fans would care about this series more than any other non-divisonal opponent. If the Cub fans want to bask in the glory of beating us, let them. We have our ring, we got there first, rivalry over.

We have much bigger problems dealing with Detroit, Cleveland and Minnesota.

2005 is over. Has been for a while now. And that ring means nothing to the Cubs or their fans, obviously. I guess I've just never understood the "hatred" of either teams fans for the oposition on the other side of town. (disclaimer:My grandfather and a cousin both played in the cubs minor league system) Even my father who was a life long fan of the Sox absolutely HATED the Cubs. I rooted for the Cubs a few years ago when the Bartman thing happened only because it was good for the CITY I love to have a winner.

In this forum I keep reading over and over again about how "I don't care about the Cubs", yet these threads draw tremendous response. Mostly fans putting down Cubs fans...as if there were actually a real difference in intelligence in the two fan bases. Anyone who thinks the Cubs don't have any knowlegeable fans, or that the Sox don't have any bonehead fans is delusional.

These games DO matter to me. It's three games MY Sox are playing, and at the end of the season the teams with the best record will go to the playoffs. Other than that, the rhetoric I see here is no different than the nonsense Jay Mariotti has been spewing. People with an agenda other than simply wins and losses running at the mouth.

Stepping off of soapbox now.

MRM
05-20-2007, 08:32 PM
I think cub fans care way too much also, they treat it like a world series.

And Sox fans don't?

Tony Larussa told a great story last year about when he was the Sox manager. Said a fan came up to him in spring training and said "I don't care if you lose 100 games this year, just beat the @#$%^&* Cubs in the exhibition game". And, according to Tony, the guy was SERIOUS.

Personally, I'd love to see nothing more than a Cubs-Sox World Series. Maybe then the powers that be at ESPN, Fox sports, etc. will recogonize Chicago as a relevant baseball town instead of concentrating on Boston-NY 100% of the time.

MRM
05-20-2007, 08:38 PM
I am not looking forward to today's game, and I probably won't even watch. I'm planning a nice, long bike ride instead. I hate the crosstown series even when we win. It's downright intolerable when we lose.

ANY game that features AJ and Zambrano is a must watch, IMO.

BTW, has anyone else noticed the inordinate amount of grand slams hit in the Sox-Cubs series the last few years? There have been a bunch of them. Lee yesterday and AJ today just added to the trend. IIRC, Carlos Lee had a couple of them against the Cubs, and Gooch had one. I think there was one other, as well...maybe Uribe? Heck, this may have been AJs 2nd against them, I can't remember.

AJ Hellraiser
05-20-2007, 11:42 PM
I've been saying the same thing all weekend... since 2005, I don't care at all about the Cubs-Sox series.... it's just games I want to win like all others.. now, I care way more about beating the Twins, Tiggers and Indians...

My Cub fan friends can't understand this though... it leaves Sox fans in a bad spot because if the Cubs beat the Sox it's like they won the World Series but if the Sox beat the Cubs and Sox fans try to rag on Cubs fans they will give you the typical "we suck anyways, you should beat us" response

Oh well.. since 2005, the two franchises are really worlds apart other then sharing the same city as a home...

Martinigirl
05-20-2007, 11:52 PM
The Cubs are comic relief.

I only "care" about them is when they play us because Cub fans get perverse pleasure in giving us a hard time when they beat us regardless of the overall outcome of all 162 games.

I totally agree with this. If I lived in a bubble and didn't have to deal with Cub fans, I would be completely indifferent to what that team did. Unfortunately, I don't live in a bubble and their fans inexplicable sense of superiority drives me up a wall.

kaufsox
05-21-2007, 12:39 AM
meh, I would glady lose all six games to the Cubs for six additional wins against Cleveland or Minn. Unlike Cubs fans, who are happy with mediocrity, I want to win more than a Crosstown scrum, another WS for example.:D:

Nellie_Fox
05-21-2007, 03:29 AM
I rooted for the Cubs a few years ago when the Bartman thing happened only because it was good for the CITY I love to have a winner.:puking:

Personally, I'd love to see nothing more than a Cubs-Sox World Series. :puking::puking::puking:

BarbG
05-21-2007, 04:44 AM
Back when there was just one exhibition game per year my Cub-fan sister and friends and I used to have fun with it, make bets, talk trash...

Since interleague started it faded away - until yesterday. The texts and the phone calls I got from normally very quiet, civilized people surprised me; they've NEVER acted that way before. My brother-in-law even called me before the game today "just to tell me he was going out to buy a broom." (I told him I don't like messy floors either.) This was so out of character for these people; then I remembered we won both series last year, so this is the first time they've won a series from us since we won the World Series. Maybe they realize that's as close as they're ever gonna get?

I was more disappointed to break the series-win streak, and doing so by blowing leads in late innings, than the fact that it was the Cubs. I'll always be repulsed by all things Cubs; but the on-the-field rivalry, isn't any different than with any other team to me anymore.

RadioheadRocks
05-21-2007, 04:47 AM
...my brother-in-law even called me before the game today "just to tell me he was going out to buy a broom." (I told him I don't like messy floors either.) ...


Guess he can now make good use of it sweeping up all the confetti, huh? :D:

Moses_Scurry
05-21-2007, 09:32 AM
I hate it when the Sox lose.




To anyone.

bryPt
05-21-2007, 10:09 AM
I hate it when the Sox lose.




To anyone.

exactly. But when they lose to the biggest embarrassment in professional sports like the Cub are, it darn right pisses me of more. I mean, step back and look at the Cub, they are a stadium, they sell shirts with the stadium name on it with NO mention of the team. They are a money making machine that throws whoever will bite on a contract to play on their team, they are 99 years of losing with no change in site, and their fans are mostly lemmings that just keep walking into that place to buy $6 old style and worship a wall with crappy looking vines growing up it. So to lose to that, and to lose the way they did this weekend, is embarrassing.

D. TODD
05-21-2007, 10:58 AM
It means as much as a weekend series with say, the Mariners. Before it meant a lot since I had to deal with loud mouth Cub fans if they beat us. Now when a **** talker from the Cubs gets to running their mouth I laugh, since the World Championship ends any legitimate comparisons of the two franchises in my lifetime.

comet2k
05-21-2007, 11:35 AM
To summarize, it sounds like a lot of people here couldn't care less about the Sox-Cubs games -- unless the Sox lose them.

In other words, they care.

And it's okay to admit you care.