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Flight #24
05-15-2007, 02:29 PM
Per ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/070515&sportCat=nba), he's at least in the running:

Justin Morneau, Minnesota Twins, 2006 AL MVP
A first baseman who hits 34 home runs with a .375 OBP and .559 slugging percentage is about as historic as Ricky Williams testing positive for marijuana. The only MVPs since 1990 with lower slugging percentages were two shortstops (Miguel Tejada and Barry Larkin), a Gold Glove leadoff hitter (Ichiro Suzuki) and a Gold Glove third baseman (Terry Pendleton). Pendleton's .517 slugging percentage, however, actually ranked third in the NL -- Morneau's .559 ranked just sixth in the AL. But the lamest thing about Morneau's win is he was only the third-best player on his own team, behind Joe Mauer and Johan Santana.

Funniest of all is that the other MLB guys on the list basically have this as their rationale for inclusion: "He had a good year, but Player XXX had a superior one". Morneau's rationale in a nutshell: He sucks and was the 3d best player on his own freaking team!
:kneeslap:

Tragg
05-15-2007, 02:38 PM
Mo Vaughn.
Well, in the undeserved category at least.

EastCoastSoxFan
05-15-2007, 02:39 PM
I'd have to give my vote to Andre Dawson in 1987.
Nothing personal, of course, since he was a great player and by most accounts is generally a good guy; but as long as the award is called Most VALUABLE Player (as opposed to The Player With The Best All-Around Numbers) I don't see how it should EVER be awarded to someone playing on a last-place team...

chaerulez
05-15-2007, 02:53 PM
Maybe he shouldn't have won MVP, but Morneau hardly "sucks".

Dan Mega
05-15-2007, 02:59 PM
They're just ticked that their poster boy didn't win it.

maurice
05-15-2007, 03:05 PM
Morneau [] was only the third-best player on his own team, behind Joe Mauer and Johan Santana.

WSIers said this repeatedly at the time.

Flight #24
05-15-2007, 03:06 PM
Maybe he shouldn't have won MVP, but Morneau hardly "sucks".

Well, to be fair, they didn't say he sucks, just that he posted numbers that pale when compared to other 1B MVPs. They were, however, comparable to middle infielders who've won the award.

AnkleSox
05-15-2007, 03:39 PM
He's still a giant douchebag

TDog
05-15-2007, 03:40 PM
The MVP isn't awarded because of numbers. At least it shouldn't be. The point is to honor the player most valuable to his team's success. This is why a last-place team should never produce an MVP. That isn't relevant here, but by that standard, Ernie Banks or Andre Dawson would qualify as the lamest MVP ever.

I had no problem with Morneau winning the MVP last year. I don't know if I would have voted for him, but he didn't get the award because he had the best stats.

If you want to say someone's numbers make them the lamest MVP ever, Morneau doesn't even come close.

Zolio Versalles hit .273 for the 1965 Minnesota Twins. His teammate Tony Oliva hit .321. Versalles led the league in strikeouts with 122, that was six more than Tony Conigliaro who led the league with 32 home runs. Versalles hit only 19 home runs and drove in 77. Oliva drove in 98.

I'm not saying Versalles shouldn't have been the MVP. At shortstop, he won the Golden Glove and hit about 50 points higher than Luis Aparicio that year. I'm saying that for the MVP award to mean something, people shouldn't be comparing numbers.

twsoxfan5
05-15-2007, 03:47 PM
He's still a giant douchebag

Agree 100%. I can't stand Morneau. It seems like all our players have nothing but respect for the other teams in our division but it seems like he can't wait to trash the Sox evey chance he gets.

PalehosePlanet
05-15-2007, 03:48 PM
Kirk Gibson in 1988 is the first name that comes to mind as the lamest MVP ever. He had good numbers (.290-25-76 w/106 runs and 31 SB) but certainly not MVP type numbers.

Dan the Man
05-15-2007, 04:15 PM
Mo Vaughn.
Well, in the undeserved category at least.
If we are talking undeserving most valuable players, it's Jason Giambi, 2000. Stole it from Frank.

roadrunner
05-15-2007, 04:16 PM
willie hernandez 1984

tstrike2000
05-15-2007, 04:34 PM
Robin Yount in 1989. He was a great hitter, but hit .318 21HR and 103 RBI on a team that finished .500 that year.

UserNameBlank
05-15-2007, 04:37 PM
I can't see the list since I'm having IE7 issues (what new), but if Jason Giambi isn't on that list he should be. And if he isn't, it is only because he plays for the Yankees.

1917
05-15-2007, 04:51 PM
I remember when Jeff Kent won in a few years ago, ESPN even did a great commerical where Kent started talking like "Hi, I'm MVP Jeff Kent" and immediatly went over his speech with advertisiments or something...basiclly saying "Nobody knows you". Good stuff

FedEx227
05-15-2007, 06:09 PM
If Derek Jeter won last year he would have been the lamest MVP ever.

Morneau did his thing and was a huge reason for the Twins resurrection in the 2nd half. I'm glad ESPN would love to say he sucked, but unfortunately he is actually really good, and he doesn't need to be hyped or have his routine plays perceived as spectacular.

Nellie_Fox
05-16-2007, 12:03 AM
It's ESPN. They're never going to get over the fact that Jeter didn't get it.

D. TODD
05-16-2007, 08:54 AM
I agree that Morneau did not deserve it. Johan was the Twins MVP or maybe Mauer, but Morneau gets the league MVP. :rolleyes:

palehozenychicty
05-16-2007, 08:55 AM
He's still a giant douchebag

He is, and I wish the Sox would keep him honest with some inside heat. :angry:

D. TODD
05-16-2007, 11:08 AM
Terry Pendleton winning over a clearly superior candidate in Barry Bonds stands out for me.

I also remember the Sporting News picking Ozzie Smith over Andre Dawson, using the rationale that surely the Cubs could have finished last without Dawson, so he wasn't that valuable. I disagreed with that since Dawson was far and away superior to Oz or anybody else in the NL that year.

MISoxfan
05-16-2007, 06:24 PM
I can't see the list since I'm having IE7 issues (what new), but if Jason Giambi isn't on that list he should be. And if he isn't, it is only because he plays for the Yankees.

You're not, its a bad link. You have to delete the first http://

Nellie_Fox
05-16-2007, 11:50 PM
I repaired the link.

PKalltheway
05-17-2007, 01:14 AM
Kirk Gibson in 1988 is the first name that comes to mind as the lamest MVP ever. He had good numbers (.290-25-76 w/106 runs and 31 SB) but certainly not MVP type numbers.
I'm sure that there was somebody probably more deserving (possibly his own teammate, Orel Hershiser), but if you take Gibson off of the Dodgers, they don't win the World Series, or contend for that matter. They had an awfully weak lineup.