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Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:34 PM
Pathetic performance. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

PeoriaSoxFan
05-01-2007, 11:34 PM
I expected a "Hitless in Seattle" thread here.

hi im skot
05-01-2007, 11:35 PM
Blech.

This sucks...but I'm certainly not ready to take up residency on a ledge any time soon.

Turn it around tomorrow guys...

ilsox7
05-01-2007, 11:35 PM
M'eh, you can count the times I get pissed over the Sox on one hand during a season. Tonight is one of them. Utter rubbish. Time to go to the gym and run off some steam.

chisoxmike
05-01-2007, 11:35 PM
This team is brutal to watch.

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:36 PM
Boy, what a concept. 2 runs scored. 2 solo shots.
It's a very large indictment against this lineup when you have to peddle out a scrub contingent to face lefties.

Corlose 15
05-01-2007, 11:36 PM
:angry: START HITTING THE DAMN BALL!:angry:

DickAllen72
05-01-2007, 11:36 PM
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
I doubt it.

cheeses_h_rice
05-01-2007, 11:36 PM
I missed it all except for the bottom of the 8th onward.

Looks like I didn't miss jack****.

PeoriaSoxFan
05-01-2007, 11:37 PM
I am taking a collection to send the Sox hitters to:

http://home.comcast.net/~ahitting/lionssports_files/image002.gif

Please be generous.

kevingrt
05-01-2007, 11:37 PM
We are crusin' right now.

whitesoxfan
05-01-2007, 11:37 PM
There needs to be a ****ing shake-up real soon. I know it's only the first day of May, but this team has too much talent on offense to be struggling so much and to only be a .500 team. Our starting pitching has been about as good as you could imagine over the course of 24 games and to know that we're only 12-12 is pretty ****ing pathetic.

DrCrawdad
05-01-2007, 11:37 PM
Calling Sox hitters...where are you?

kittle42
05-01-2007, 11:37 PM
Lineup sucks. Effort sucks. Execution sucks. .500 record sucks.

DickAllen72
05-01-2007, 11:38 PM
I missed it all except for the bottom of the 8th onward.

Looks like I didn't miss jack****.
You missed Terrero's home run and his outstanding throw. Add a homer by A.J. and that's about all you missed.

thomas35forever
05-01-2007, 11:38 PM
In the words of Joe Boyd, "I'd sell my soul for one long ball hitter."

JB98
05-01-2007, 11:39 PM
Dear Sox hitters,

Try a different approach. What you are doing now isn't working.

Thanks,
JB

Turcle
05-01-2007, 11:39 PM
In the Sox notes this weeks I think AJ's gonna sit tomorrow, so we'll have Molina, I think KO-nerko needs to sit too. I'd love to see Erstad at 1B with Sweeney and Terrero in the OF tomorrow.

dcb56
05-01-2007, 11:39 PM
Another ugly offensive effort (if you could call it that) tonite. Hopefully the Sox bats turn it around before the team finds itself in a hole.

At least the backwards Seinfeld episode is on right now, that'll cheer me up for sure!

JB98
05-01-2007, 11:39 PM
In the words of Joe Boyd, "I'd sell my soul for one long ball hitter."

Joe Borchard?

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:40 PM
The sad thing about this season so far (and a month is beginning to become a decent sample) is the fact that there's really not too much special about it.
(Besides the Buehrle no-no, which may be the main highlight.)

Thank God it's looking that way for everyone else as well, but the '07 Sox look a lot like the '06 Sox. Absolutely no flow or groove at all. It's just a good effort followed by a couple pedestrian efforts. A good streak followed by a really bad streak.

I'm as optimistic as anyone on WSI, but even I can't take the inconsistent play that's plagued this team for a year and a month.

DSpivack
05-01-2007, 11:40 PM
In the Sox notes this weeks I think AJ's gonna sit tomorrow, so we'll have Molina, I think KO-nerko needs to sit too. I'd love to see Erstad at 1B with Sweeney and Terrero in the OF tomorrow.

Why not just drive down to Charlotte and watch the Knights?

thomas35forever
05-01-2007, 11:41 PM
Joe Borchard?
More like Joe Hardy.

balke
05-01-2007, 11:41 PM
javy deserved better. I saw Pablo take a HR cut on a ball. We can't get anything started right now without Pods. Hopefully he comes back soon, he's the spark to this offense.

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:42 PM
12-12. I just want to puke right now.

whitesoxfan1986
05-01-2007, 11:42 PM
The 2007 Mendozas: Hit a home run or pop up/strike out trying:angry:
This offensive performance is just that-offensive. There is No way this should be happening. We should be one of the best hitting teams, not one of the worst. The 2007 team seems to be the polar opposite of the 2006 team. Good pitching, no hitting.

chisoxmike
05-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Dear Sox hitters,

Try a different approach. What you are doing now isn't working.

Thanks,
JB

I don't think they care.

BanditJimmy
05-01-2007, 11:43 PM
It didn't take Hawk all but the 2nd batter of the game to mention:

1. Cold April
2. Tough April Schedule.


No where did he mention that this offense SUCKS!

QCIASOXFAN
05-01-2007, 11:43 PM
In the Sox notes this weeks I think AJ's gonna sit tomorrow, so we'll have Molina, I think KO-nerko needs to sit too. I'd love to see Erstad at 1B with Sweeney and Terrero in the OF tomorrow.
This would solve noting, I would like to have the best players on the field that give us the greatest chance to win.

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:43 PM
The 2007 Mendozas: Hit a home run or pop up/strike out trying:angry:
Hey, it's been that way since about June of '06. Why stop a good thing?

Jerko
05-01-2007, 11:44 PM
Does Ozzie realize that his pinch hitter tonight is batting under 100?? Or that his lefty specialist out of the pen was being hit to the tune of .417 by lefties before this game????? That's what worries me. Same **** over and over. Works half of the time.

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:45 PM
I don't think they care.
As Paulie said about '05: "No matter what happens, we'll always have that in our pocket."

Well, Paulie, you guys don't have to play every night like you believe that statement. :angry:

BanditJimmy
05-01-2007, 11:45 PM
Does Ozzie realize that his pinch hitter tonight is batting under 100??


Alex Cintron's initials = AC


Pretty fitting as an AC usually fans and is cold.

chisoxmike
05-01-2007, 11:46 PM
As Paulie said about '05: "No matter what happens, we'll always have that in our pocket."

Well, Paulie, you guys don't have to play every night like you believe that statement. :angry:

It seems like they haven't taken that out of their pocket since...

Thome25
05-01-2007, 11:47 PM
The sad thing about this season so far (and a month is beginning to become a decent sample) is the fact that there's really not too much special about it.
(Besides the Buehrle no-no, which may be the main highlight.)

Thank God it's looking that way for everyone else as well, but the '07 Sox look a lot like the '06 Sox. Absolutely no flow or groove at all. It's just a good effort followed by a couple pedestrian efforts. A good streak followed by a really bad streak.

I'm as optimistic as anyone on WSI, but even I can't take the inconsistent play that's plagued this team for a year and a month.

We Suck!! Seriously though....I agree with you. The problems with this team so far seem like a continuation of '03, '04, and '06.......too many slump-prone home run hitters and not enough fundamentally sound grinders.

I hope KW sees this and a shakeup comes......AND FAST. I don't care if it's a trade or if it means firing Walker....but something needs to happen before this season becomes a bust.

thomas35forever
05-01-2007, 11:47 PM
The rotation doesn't deserve any of this ****. Did somebody forget to tell the offense that they're one the best in all of baseball? Somebody needs to get a good slap in the face to wake up. That'll get the rest of the offense going.

Turcle
05-01-2007, 11:49 PM
This would solve noting, I would like to have the best players on the field that give us the greatest chance to win.

Hey in the Sox notes Ozzie said he wanted Molina in today, but with Pabs and the others he decided not to, and we have a day game after a night game, so I'm guessing Molina is gonna be there tomorrow not that I want that, since AJ was one of the homers today. I'd rather see AJ in. I'm thinking some of our players problems maybe mental, I mean Konerko has had some good games "playing through this". But he's having more and more bad ones. Give him a day to relax and not think about it.

soxfan123
05-01-2007, 11:49 PM
The thing that bothers me the most about this very average season thus far is that our players seem TO NOT CARE AT ALL. Iguchi even ran back to the dugout as if it was a casual out being made, and everyone's expressions are so stoic. I recall a much greater fire in the 05 team. Where is that, Ozzie? What happened to Ozzie ball? Let's go Bulls.

chisoxmike
05-01-2007, 11:49 PM
Go Bulls!

:supernana::supernana:

IceczMan
05-01-2007, 11:50 PM
It didn't take Hawk all but the 2nd batter of the game to mention:

1. Cold April
2. Tough April Schedule.


No where did he mention that this offense SUCKS!

I noticed this too, no mention of the horrible offense and apparent lack of effort and looking at the schedule, when do we have an "easy" month? June Perhaps? :(:

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:50 PM
Does Ozzie realize that his pinch hitter tonight is batting under 100?? Or that his lefty specialist out of the pen was being hit to the tune of .417 by lefties before this game????? That's what worries me. Same **** over and over. Works half of the time.
I hate the fact that I've watched so much Sox baseball that I can just tell by looking at the players that a game's over. You could just tell after the Sexson homer that the game was over. The way everybody's demeanor looked after that homer reeked of "here we go again." Though there was a whole lot of baseball left in the game, it was just obvious that the fork had been stuck in our beloved Sox.

This team is talented but is playing very mediocre baseball. Add to that the joy of watching key players go on the DL, and you really have to wonder if this team will be within 5 games of first come June 1.

JB98
05-01-2007, 11:51 PM
Does Ozzie realize that his pinch hitter tonight is batting under 100?? Or that his lefty specialist out of the pen was being hit to the tune of .417 by lefties before this game????? That's what worries me. Same **** over and over. Works half of the time.

Like I said in the postgame thread, Thornton overpowered the two righties he faced. Unfortunately, he gave up a huge hit to a left-handed batter.

Naturally, Ozzie will react to this development by continuing to use Matt as a lefty specialist. :cool:

102605
05-01-2007, 11:51 PM
Pathetic. I thought the team AVG couldn't possibly get any worse going into Seattle.

Wrong again.

Turcle
05-01-2007, 11:52 PM
The thing that bothers me the most about this very average season thus far is that our players seem TO NOT CARE AT ALL. Iguchi even ran back to the dugout as if it was a casual out being made, and everyone's expressions are so stoic. I recall a much greater fire in the 05 team. Where is that, Ozzie? What happened to Ozzie ball? Let's go Bulls.

What did happen to that. Where they stood on the dug out watching the game like they enjoyed playing and watching baseball. Instead its like punch in and punch out literally and figuratively. They look like they're just doing a job.

DrCrawdad
05-01-2007, 11:53 PM
Psst White Sox...

These Games Count.

itsnotrequired
05-01-2007, 11:54 PM
I hate the fact that I've watched so much Sox baseball that I can just tell by looking at the players that a game's over. You could just tell after the Sexson homer that the game was over. The way everybody's demeanor looked after that homer reeked of "here we go again." Though there was a whole lot of baseball left in the game, it was just obvious that the fork had been stuck in our beloved Sox.

This team is talented but is playing very mediocre baseball. Add to that the joy of watching key players go on the DL, and you really have to wonder if this team will be within 5 games of first come June 1.

And how many come form behind wins do they have this season? I choose to believe the hitters are trying and are very frustrated, not that they don't care.

BanditJimmy
05-01-2007, 11:56 PM
Did somebody forget to tell the offense that they're one the best in all of baseball?


I think in our minds we think they are the best offense and we have fooled ourselves, all they are is sexy bunch of hacks who can lead the world in HRs. They have no other clue in trying to score runs ..... And that's a fact.

Welcome to the Jerry Manuel era w/ Ozzie "Ball" Guillen as your skipper.

Pathetic.

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:56 PM
And how many come form behind wins do they have this season? I choose to believe the hitters are trying and are very frustrated, not that they don't care.
Oh, don't get me wrong. It's not a "we don't care" attitude at all. Quite the opposite. It's total pressing right now. Chalk it down to the old lack o' confidence. These guys don't believe in their plate approach, and a 2 run lead seems like a 10 run lead. You can't hit if you can't focus, and you can't focus if you're not relaxed. These guys are all trying to homer their way out of slumps in the hopes of catching fire, and it's not going to work.

dcb56
05-01-2007, 11:56 PM
We Suck!! Seriously though....I agree with you. The problems with this team so far seem like a continuation of '03, '04, and '06.......too many slump-prone home run hitters and not enough fundamentally sound grinders.

I hope KW sees this and a shakeup comes......AND FAST. I don't care if it's a trade or if it means firing Walker....but something needs to happen before this season becomes a bust.

Good Lord the last thing this team needs is more "griders," we have more than enough of them in case you haven't watched any Sunday games the last couple seasons.

What we need is for Thome and Pods to get healthy and in the meantime our veterans have to start hitting above their weight. Iguchi, Dye, Paulie, AJ, and Crede have done nothing to pick up the slack and until that changes results like tonight will continue to be the norm. Hopefully the Sox turn it around before they're in too big a hole, though once they do start hitting I expect them to go on a nice run.

chisoxmike
05-01-2007, 11:58 PM
I think in our minds we think they are the best offense and we have fooled ourselves, all they are is sexy bunch of hacks who can lead the world in HRs. They have no other clue in trying to score runs ..... And that's a fact.

Welcome to the Jerry Manuel era w/ Ozzie "Ball" Guillen as your skipper.

Pathetic.

This is a overrated offense. They have been overrated since 2006. They can't hit no-name guys, lefties who have a good curve or changeup, or a pitcher that has just been called up. Until/If this gets fixed, they wont win the division.

Jurr
05-01-2007, 11:59 PM
Good Lord the last thing this team needs is more "griders," we have more than enough of them in case you haven't watched any Sunday games the last couple seasons.

What we need is for Thome and Pods to get healthy and in the meantime our veterans have to start hitting above their weight. Iguchi, Dye, Paulie, AJ, and Crede have done nothing to pick up the slack and until that changes results like tonight will continue to be the norm. Hopefully the Sox turn it around before they're in too big a hole, though once they do start hitting I expect them to go on a nice run.
Well, the Sox are looking a lot like last year's version, so if that holds up, the offense will come into its own just in time for the pitching to tank.

Thome25
05-02-2007, 12:00 AM
Good Lord the last thing this team needs is more "griders," we have more than enough of them in case you haven't watched any Sunday games the last couple seasons.

What we need is for Thome and Pods to get healthy and in the meantime our veterans have to start hitting above their weight. Iguchi, Dye, Paulie, AJ, and Crede have done nothing to pick up the slack and until that changes results like tonight will continue to be the norm. Hopefully the Sox turn it around before they're in too big a hole, though once they do start hitting I expect them to go on a nice run.

Power hitters go into slumps like the one we're in now.......nothing beats those runs that you scrape out and manufacture.

Were you watching in '05?? The pitching was good and the offense didn't need to be the '27 Yankees to get runs.

Now we have somewhat of a murderer's row with all of the guys looking to clear the fence all the time instead of playing fundamentally sound ball and getting the runs by getting clutch hits and bunts and hitting the ball the other way.

Jerko
05-02-2007, 12:00 AM
Not bad for having a backup infielder in the outfield, a backup outfielder in the infield, a guy making his first start, and having to use a .083 hitter to pinch hit for the guy who had the highest average in the starting lineup because our 3rd baseman was DHing the day after an off day. Players need to step up too, this isn't all on Oz, but dammit is anybody hitting over .220? Thornton OPS vs. lefties over 1.000 and average against near .500??? Yes Ozzie makes the moves and if they're not working he should stop making them, but the players have to do their job too.

Turcle
05-02-2007, 12:01 AM
I think in our minds we think they are the best offense and we have fooled ourselves, all they are is sexy bunch of hacks who can lead the world in HRs. They have no other clue in trying to score runs ..... And that's a fact.

Welcome to the Jerry Manuel era w/ Ozzie "Ball" Guillen as your skipper.

Pathetic.

I don't think its all that. We need the top of the lineup to just get on base and get over, cuz 3-7 can hit it deep and I'm not talking about homers, they can get sac flies out of it. If Ozuna, Erstad or even Tad get on, make them RUN! I've seen Tad steal a base or two. He's got speed. I mean Kenji Johjima wasn't in why didn't we try to run at all!! Tad can run I've seen him do it.

I think the pressure of every out being so important right now has made them playing way more tentatively, and not try to risk an out.

Jurr
05-02-2007, 12:03 AM
This is a overrated offense. They have been overrated since 2006. They can't hit no-name guys, lefties who have a good curve or changeup, or a pitcher that has just been called up. Until/If this gets fixed, they wont win the division.
Dude, I totally agree. The '06 Sox team was the most disappointing unit to wear the uniform since '84. Let's hope that the '07 Sox aren't like the '85 version, which ended up in third place (though they had a winning record.)

This team just seems like it's so far inside its own head that relaxing and playing a long string of good baseball is nearly impossible.

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:04 AM
I don't think its all that. We need the top of the lineup to just get on base and get over, cuz 3-7 can hit it deep and I'm not talking about homers, they can get sac flies out of it. If Ozuna, Erstad or even Tad get on, make them RUN! I've seen Tad steal a base or two. He's got speed. I mean Kenji Johjima wasn't in why didn't we try to run at all!! Tad can run I've seen him do it.

I think the pressure of every out being so important right now has made them playing way more tentatively, and not try to risk an out.


I don't think so.

Paul Konerko and Jermaine Dye have to lead baseball right now in LOBs.


They can load the bases with no outs and no one will drive them in.

Jurr
05-02-2007, 12:05 AM
I don't think its all that. We need the top of the lineup to just get on base and get over, cuz 3-7 can hit it deep and I'm not talking about homers, they can get sac flies out of it. If Ozuna, Erstad or even Tad get on, make them RUN! I've seen Tad steal a base or two. He's got speed. I mean Kenji Johjima wasn't in why didn't we try to run at all!! Tad can run I've seen him do it.

I think the pressure of every out being so important right now has made them playing way more tentatively, and not try to risk an out.
Yeah, it's called Earl Weaver baseball. The Sox have been a study in the concept since I can remember, save one year. Hey, that year ended up being quite the anomaly......they won the whole damn thing.

Turcle
05-02-2007, 12:06 AM
I don't think so.

Paul Konerko and Jermaine Dye have to lead baseball right now in LOBs.


They can load the bases with no outs and no one will drive them in.

I just don't think they're that overrated I think if different strategies are used like hit and run or steals or more aggresion on the basepath I think some of these outs will be more worthwhile.

Justagirl
05-02-2007, 12:08 AM
The thing that bothers me the most about this very average season thus far is that our players seem TO NOT CARE AT ALL. Iguchi even ran back to the dugout as if it was a casual out being made

I see your point, but what else should he have done? Jumped up & down on the bat/ stomped away looking like Zambrano?
I agree that they haven't been delivering much thus far, but by no stretch of my imagination do I believe they DO NOT CARE AT ALL. Seriously..

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:09 AM
I just don't think they're that overrated I think if different strategies are used like hit and run or steals or more aggresion on the basepath I think some of these outs will be more worthwhile.


I wish I can be as optimistic as you but we have seen this crap for the entire 2nd half last year and now so far this year.

You can almos say that '05 was heading to that same direction when they almost blew that huge lead to the Indians, at the end, the pitching bailed us out and we won the WS.

The pitching is good this year but not as great as it was in '05 to overcome crap offense.

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:11 AM
Yeah, it's called Earl Weaver baseball. The Sox have been a study in the concept since I can remember, save one year. Hey, that year ended up being quite the anomaly......they won the whole damn thing.


I'm starting to lean towards '05 being a season of hunger, pride, & luck more than it was that we were great.

itsnotrequired
05-02-2007, 12:12 AM
I'm starting to lean towards '05 being a season of hunger, pride, & luck more than it was that we were great.

'05 pitching staff = great

everything else = average

chisoxmike
05-02-2007, 12:13 AM
I'm starting to lean towards '05 being a season of hunger, pride, & luck more than it was that we were great.


...and that they were the best team in baseball in 2005.

dcb56
05-02-2007, 12:14 AM
And how many come form behind wins do they have this season? I choose to believe the hitters are trying and are very frustrated, not that they don't care.

Ya, to say they don't care is ludicrous. My guess is they're just as frustrated as players with their performance as we are with them as fans.

Power hitters go into slumps like the one we're in now.......nothing beats those runs that you scrape out and manufacture.

Were you watching in '05?? The pitching was good and the offense didn't need to be the '27 Yankees to get runs.

Now we have somewhat of a murderer's row with all of the guys looking to clear the fence all the time instead of playing fundamentally sound ball and getting the runs by getting clutch hits and bunts and hitting the ball the other way.

Yes, I did watch 2005 and that team hit more than its fair share of home runs and IIRC they tended to mash a lot more throughout the 2nd half and playoffs than they "ground." The lineup we have now in 07 will eventually start putting up more than enough runs for the Sox to win the division if the Sox pitch the way they did in 2005. If the pitching staff splits the difference from 05 and 06, I like the Sox chances to get to the postseason, but if they pitch the way they did last year not even the 27 Yankees lineup would be able to get them into the playoffs.

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:15 AM
'05 pitching staff = great



I will agree on that.

'06 was average

and so far '07 has been good but not "great" enough to overcome a .220 hitting offense.

102605
05-02-2007, 12:16 AM
I'm starting to lean towards '05 being a season of hunger, pride, & luck more than it was that we were great.

Nothing should ever be taken away from 2005. All 2006 and 2007 has shown us is just how quickly things can change. Just look at all of the different teams that have won a World Series in the past 6-7 years. No repeat champions.

That is the state of MLB right now. It also shows us how quickly things can also turn around.

Something isn't sitting right with the overall chemistry right now. Shake it up sooner than later or we'll be golfing in Oct.

lumpyspun
05-02-2007, 12:19 AM
Brutal game to attend. I'm pissed I spent a total of 132 bucks on tickets, not including beers and food, to watch that nonsense.

Oh, and for those of you that were hoping we could get Ibanez...now you see why we never would.

He bats cleanup and drove in a few important insurance runs...we certainly couldn't stand to have that on our team!

chisoxmike
05-02-2007, 12:20 AM
Brutal game to attend. I'm pissed I spent a total of 132 bucks on tickets, not including beers and food, to watch that nonsense.

How many tickets?

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:20 AM
Wrong. The Sox were the best team in baseball in 2005. Hands down.


I won't deny that.

But I wan't to put this team into "great" status by not being looked at as "just another champion" who failed to back it up the following years.

Finishing 3rd last year and if we fail to make the play-offs again this year, everyone is going to look at that '05 team as a fluke and I don't want that.

chisoxmike
05-02-2007, 12:21 AM
I won't deny that.

But I wan't to put this team into "great" status by not being looked at as "just another champion" who failed to back it up the following years.

Finishing 3rd last year and if we fail to make the play-offs again this year, everyone is going to look at that '05 team as a fluke and I don't want that.

Yeah, The last thing I want the 05 Sox to become is the 85 Bears - a one and done championship that people pathetically talk about for the next 20 years because the team is doing jack ****.

lumpyspun
05-02-2007, 12:24 AM
How many tickets?

Dos :puking:

chisoxmike
05-02-2007, 12:25 AM
Dos :puking:


Wow. I'm sorry.

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:25 AM
Nothing should ever be taken away from 2005. All 2006 and 2007 has shown us is just how quickly things can change. Just look at all of the different teams that have won a World Series in the past 6-7 years. No repeat champions.

That is the state of MLB right now. It also shows us how quickly things can also turn around.

Something isn't sitting right with the overall chemistry right now. Shake it up sooner than later or we'll be golfing in Oct.


I just want to be more like the Red Sox, Yankees, Cardinals, & Braves and win a championship one year but be playing in October all the years after that. I accept that baseball changes on an year by year basis but when you are putting up the 4th highest pay roll in baseball, I expect you to be one of the finalist of 8 to qualify for post season play.

NSSoxFan
05-02-2007, 12:27 AM
This pretty much sums it up:

Iguchi .242:o:
Konerko .198:o:
Dye .221:o:
AJ .213:o:
Crede .221:o:

They have to turn it on.

lumpyspun
05-02-2007, 12:28 AM
Wow. I'm sorry.

Ha, I did get a 1987 Topps Jim Fregosi baseball card though upon entry into the stadium. The guy scanning the tix saw my Sox gear and randomly gave it to me.

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:30 AM
Yeah, The last thing I want the 05 Sox to become is the 85 Bears - a one and done championship that people pathetically talk about for the next 20 years because the team is doing jack ****.

The '85 Bear hype 20+ years later is a complete joke which I compare to Bundy and his 5 TDs at Polk High.


The 6 Bulls championships is something to definately take pride of and throw around when talking to people of other towns.

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:32 AM
This pretty much sums it up:

Iguchi .242:o:
Konerko .198:o:
Dye .221:o:
AJ .213:o:
Crede .221:o:

They have to turn it on.

Crede got credit to a gift hit today because I would have given Beltre an error on that play.

Justagirl
05-02-2007, 12:35 AM
. I accept that baseball changes on an year by year basis but when you are putting up the 4th highest pay roll in baseball, I expect you to be one of the finalist of 8 to qualify for post season play.

They're not gonna qualify for post season play? :o:

the_valenstache
05-02-2007, 12:46 AM
It seems to me that Sox hitters were swinging at a ton of first and second pitches. Washburn was working on Buerhle's time clock too: catch the ball, nod once, and throw. Speaking of fundamentals, how about we step out of the batter's box or call timeout when the pitcher's in a groove, or look at a few first or second pitches, regardless if they are strikes?

Ozzie needs to step up. If a no-hitter can't get this team going, I'm not sure what will. I would have liked to see him jump up the steps, spit his gum out, and get tossed telling the umpire to call the same strikes for his pitchers. I know it'll induce some eye rolls, but please, crazy Ozzie, Tony Montana Ozzie, come back.

Nellie_Fox
05-02-2007, 12:46 AM
The guy scanning the tix saw my Sox gear and randomly gave it to me.If he did it because of your Sox gear, it wasn't random at all, it was on purpose. :tongue:

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 12:51 AM
They're not gonna qualify for post season play? :o:


I will guarantee you they will not if they continue to hit .220 for the year.

:rolleyes:

UserNameBlank
05-02-2007, 12:55 AM
I was watching Jamie Burke tonight and thinking "man, he'd look good in a Sox uniform right now."

That's how bad this offense is.

BTW, I loved the way Ozzie pinch hit for Terrero, who homered earlier, just because the guy on the mound was right handed. I understand wanting to bring Erstad in to hit, but for God's sake have him hit for someone else if you're going to do that. Don't take out the guy who is responsible for half the offense.

I also thought Ozzie's move to have Javy start off the 8th was pretty silly. Here we are after an off day and Ozzie wants to save his pen? After that walk I just knew they'd score. There goes a quality start for Javy.

The move to have Cintron hit for Pablo was also pretty dumb. While the offense isn't doing it as a whole, Cintron is looking terrible. At least Pablo has the speed game going for him that enables him to put down a bunt basehit or run out an infield single. Cintron has nothing going for him right now.

Another game mismanaged by Ozzie although no matter what the Sox wouldn't have won. A piss-poor effort despite an awesome performance by Terrero saving a run and hitting a homer.

QCIASOXFAN
05-02-2007, 01:02 AM
I will guarantee you they will not if they continue to hit .220 for the year.

:rolleyes:
We won't qualify for the Royals if that keeps up.:o:

lumpyspun
05-02-2007, 01:02 AM
If he did it because of your Sox gear, it wasn't random at all, it was on purpose. :tongue:

Very good point. That was a terrible misuse of the "random" cliche!

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 01:09 AM
I was watching Jamie Burke tonight and thinking "man, he'd look good in a Sox uniform right now."

That's how bad this offense is.

BTW, I loved the way Ozzie pinch hit for Terrero, who homered earlier, just because the guy on the mound was right handed. I understand wanting to bring Erstad in to hit, but for God's sake have him hit for someone else if you're going to do that. Don't take out the guy who is responsible for half the offense.

I also thought Ozzie's move to have Javy start off the 8th was pretty silly. Here we are after an off day and Ozzie wants to save his pen? After that walk I just knew they'd score. There goes a quality start for Javy.

The move to have Cintron hit for Pablo was also pretty dumb. While the offense isn't doing it as a whole, Cintron is looking terrible. At least Pablo has the speed game going for him that enables him to put down a bunt basehit or run out an infield single. Cintron has nothing going for him right now.

Another game mismanaged by Ozzie although no matter what the Sox wouldn't have won. A piss-poor effort despite an awesome performance by Terrero saving a run and hitting a homer.


To think that Cintron and Mack, both and not just one, received more ABs than Anderson (the so called future) .... this makes me even more sick. They have both been as bad as Brian was and none of the two have a future with this team beyond this year.

I hope Sweeney packed a good pair of gym shoes for his 15 day stint here with the big club, he will be needing them when riding the bench in favor of such talents as Mack, Terrero, Cintron, & Pablo.


Worst thing that could have happened tonight was Terrero hitting what resulted in a meaningless HR in a loss because now Ozzie will keep him in front of Sweeney in the depth chart

ShoelessJoeS
05-02-2007, 01:18 AM
On a positive note: Javy looked pretty good out there today once again.

Now if we could only hit, imagine the possibilities...

Blueprint1
05-02-2007, 01:18 AM
To think that Cintron and Mack, both and not just one, received more ABs than Anderson (the so called future) .... this makes me even more sick. They have both been as bad as Brian was and none of the two have a future with this team beyond this year.

I hope Sweeney packed a good pair of gym shoes for his 15 day stint here with the big club, he will be needing them when riding the bench in favor of such talents as Mack, Terrero, Cintron, & Pablo.


Worst thing that could have happened tonight was Terrero hitting what resulted in a meaningless HR in a loss because now Ozzie will keep him in front of Sweeney in the depth chart

This is what I don't understand. Why does Ozzie love Cintron so much? Why did he hate Anderson and Love Cintron. Cintron will never be a great player.

ZombieRob
05-02-2007, 02:31 AM
I guess one brightside and whats been lost thru this sagging slump the Sox are in ,is Javy has actually pitched pretty well this season so far.

Grzegorz
05-02-2007, 04:43 AM
I will guarantee you they will not if they continue to hit .220 for the year.

Sure, but by the time they heat up their first goal of making the playoff may be that much harder.

This is a overrated offense. They have been overrated since 2006. They can't hit no-name guys, lefties who have a good curve or change up, or a pitcher that has just been called up. Until/If this gets fixed, they wont win the division.

Where's the national league ball that we've been told about? Why is Pablo taking home run cuts?

Ozuna, Erstad, and anyone else that can run should run; straight steals if the match ups are favorable in addition to hitting and running.

As someone else on this thread mentioned: "these games count".

When your battle plan does not survive first contact with the enemy, change your tactics.

Is this management capable of changing their tactics?

goofymsfan
05-02-2007, 06:12 AM
Brutal game to attend. I'm pissed I spent a total of 132 bucks on tickets, not including beers and food, to watch that nonsense.

Oh, and for those of you that were hoping we could get Ibanez...now you see why we never would.

He bats cleanup and drove in a few important insurance runs...we certainly couldn't stand to have that on our team!

Where were your tickets?!?! surely you could have gotten decent seats without spending that much on 2 seats.

My seats are in the Left field bleachers, but I'm always standing down on the Centerfield landing....great view, cheap seats. If they had Centerfield Bleacher Seats for season ticket holders, I'd get them instead.

IlliniSox4Life
05-02-2007, 06:31 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

We lost some games right now because of the offense. But by the end of the season, if we miss the playoffs, it won't be because of the offense. They will pick it up and be there for the majority of the season.

MCHSoxFan
05-02-2007, 07:13 AM
All I can say is a nice homerun by Terrero. As for the rest of the team. We NEED some OFFENSE. I will take ANYTHING. HR'S, HITS, DOUBLES, STEALING HOME!!! I will take anything to get some runs. This better turn around fast. If it does, it better continue for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG while. :angry: :angry: :angry:

BeviBall!
05-02-2007, 07:32 AM
We need Thome. Watching AJ hack away in any spot higher than 7th is stomach-churning.

Viva Medias B's
05-02-2007, 07:52 AM
We have to start hitting. Not to be McCarveresque, but we won't win if we don't hit.

Law11
05-02-2007, 08:25 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

We lost some games right now because of the offense. But by the end of the season, if we miss the playoffs, it won't be because of the offense. They will pick it up and be there for the majority of the season.

I disagree. We've already lost half a dozen game because of the offense.
Keep losing like this and we'll be down 6-8 games in no time. In September these losses will have killed us.

rdwj
05-02-2007, 08:31 AM
We need a different approach to hitting - plain and simple. EVERYONE on this team seems hell-bent on swinging for the fence with every at-bat. It's homer or nothing ...and more and more often it's nothing.

This team is getting hard to watch.

The Immigrant
05-02-2007, 08:37 AM
Why the **** is Uribe hacking on a 3-0 count, and looking so bad doing it that even D.J. can't help but laugh?

skobabe8
05-02-2007, 08:42 AM
We need a different approach to hitting - plain and simple. EVERYONE on this team seems hell-bent on swinging for the fence with every at-bat. It's homer or nothing ...and more and more often it's nothing.

This team is getting hard to watch.

EXACTLY. I ****ing hate the hr-reliant mode we are in. Why we continue to do that I will never understand.

How about a fine for every home run thats hit. I swear to god. Do something for a game or 2 to get through to these dummies.

FedEx227
05-02-2007, 08:46 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

We lost some games right now because of the offense. But by the end of the season, if we miss the playoffs, it won't be because of the offense. They will pick it up and be there for the majority of the season.

That's tough to say mainly because the division we are in. I don't think Cleveland, Minnesota or Detroit are going anywhere anytime soon. We can't put ourselves in a hole this early in the season and hope to have a phoenix rise right to the top.

stl_sox_fan
05-02-2007, 08:48 AM
We need Thome. Watching AJ hack away in any spot higher than 7th is stomach-churning.

The games I've been able to see are painful w/o Thome. Glad Charter didn't pick up the Extra Innings package. Looks very familiar to last year when Thome was on the DL. I totally agree AJ doesn't neeed to bat in the 3,4 or 5 slot. He is not a power hitter and needs to just focus on average. He almost batted .300 last year when he was farther down in the lineup. Lineup placement really helps your psyche out I believe.

Hey....You better stop grinding O'Toole!!!!
Nice Family Guy reference Bevi.

russ99
05-02-2007, 08:51 AM
To think that Cintron and Mack, both and not just one, received more ABs than Anderson (the so called future) .... this makes me even more sick. They have both been as bad as Brian was and none of the two have a future with this team beyond this year.


Seriously, you Anderson-whiners need to get a grip.

Your golden wonder boy is in AAA where he'll get a chance to hit.

Bottom line: The Sox didn't lose today because of Brian Anderson. :angry:

soxfanatlanta
05-02-2007, 08:59 AM
How about a fine for every home run thats hit. I swear to god. Do something for a game or 2 to get through to these dummies.

A cup of vinegar will not work in this case, but perhaps a cup of honey; free churros for every walk/single.

Something like that.

FedEx227
05-02-2007, 08:59 AM
You are correct.

It was a total team sucking last night from top to bottom. Terrero looked decent, otherwise I couldn't pick out more then 3 decent at-bats the whole night.

soxfanatlanta
05-02-2007, 09:00 AM
Bottom line: The Sox didn't lose today because of Brian Anderson. :angry:

I for one am glad he will get the chance to play every day in Charlotte; I hope he sorts it out and comes back strong.

Jurr
05-02-2007, 09:06 AM
We need a different approach to hitting - plain and simple. EVERYONE on this team seems hell-bent on swinging for the fence with every at-bat. It's homer or nothing ...and more and more often it's nothing.

This team is getting hard to watch.
No joke. After the opener against Texas, the Sox offense started putting it together. During the no-hitter the next night, there were SB attempts, hit and runs, and players going up the middle. It was beautiful. Though the Sox still scored all of their runs by the homer, you could see a change. It lasted for about 7 games, and (not ironically at all) the Sox were winning those games, coming back from deficits in a few.

Thome goes out and they get out of that comfort zone again, trying to hit everything out of the park. Ridiculous.

infohawk
05-02-2007, 09:12 AM
I've mentioned it before, but our start kind of reminds me of what happened to Cleveland in 2005. They went into the season viewed as having a pretty potent lineup. They also ended up having good starting pitching and a solid bullpen. The problem for them was that they quite simply could not hit at all for the first month-and-a-half to two months of the season. Everyone was surprised by that. I remember being at a game against them at the very end of April or beginning of May (somewhere in there). The Sox beat them, and the Indians fired their hitting coach (Eddie Murray) during that series. As we all know, coincidentally or not, Cleveland became unbelievably hot and almost took the division from us in the end. Now, at .500, we are, I believe, in better shape than that Indians team was after the first month of the season. The bat's need to catch fire. I'm sure they will, the key will be how much of a hole the Sox dig before they start to pour it on. Hopefully not much of one at all.

palehozenychicty
05-02-2007, 09:15 AM
Thome goes out and they get out of that comfort zone again, trying to hit everything out of the park. Ridiculous.

Not only that, but they make the fewest adjustments at the plate of any team that I've ever seen. No walks, nobody works the count, nothing. Sad. :(:

The Immigrant
05-02-2007, 09:21 AM
I don't think the Cleveland comparison works because other than the 2-3 month stretch in 2005 the Indians have torn the cover off the ball and generally have good at bats even if they are struggling offensively. In other words, their 2005 slump was an anomaly. The problem for us is that corpseball is a recurring problem which seems to reappear every year and our management and coaching staff have no solution. It's groundhog day with this offense.

Jurr
05-02-2007, 09:22 AM
I've mentioned it before, but our start kind of reminds me of what happened to Cleveland in 2005. They went into the season viewed as having a pretty potent lineup. They also ended up having good starting pitching and a solid bullpen. The problem for them was that they quite simply could not hit at all for the first month-and-a-half to two months of the season. Everyone was surprised by that. I remember being at a game against them at the very end of April or beginning of May (somewhere in there). The Sox beat them, and the Indians fired their hitting coach (Eddie Murray) during that series. As we all know, coincidentally or not, Cleveland became unbelievably hot and almost took the division from us in the end. Now, at .500, we are, I believe, in better shape than that Indians team was after the first month of the season. The bat's need to catch fire. I'm sure they will, the key will be how much of a hole the Sox dig before they start to pour it on. Hopefully not much of one at all.
You stated that the bats need to catch fire. I don't think they even need to do that. Just have a good approach at the plate. If they quit trying to catch lightning in a bottle and take what the pitcher's giving them, they'll be fine. When this team begins to press, they get in this ridiculous cycle of swinging for the fences, and it's feast or famine.

Just a week or so ago, they had it right. They were confident in their approach, and they believed that they could chip away at deficits, which they did a lot. Now, they're right back to square one, which baffles me.

RedHeadPaleHoser
05-02-2007, 09:30 AM
Ozzie was the one who back in '05 said that the '04 team was taking HR swings all the time with no one on base, and he wanted to change that to a "smart" maseball team.

IMO, this team right now is reminiscent of the '04 mentality. We are swinging for the fences with people who should be on base with singles, walks, etc....and we're getting stupid losses mounting up because of it.

lumpyspun
05-02-2007, 09:42 AM
Another gripe...
When will teams realize we can't throw out a base stealer?

Tragg
05-02-2007, 10:00 AM
Ozzie has a lineup of the hitters he wants- grinders that don't walk, but swing at everything with no power. And it still needs home runs or at least extra base power to score a run. And then, of course, he uses Cintron as a pinch hitter - there's not much you can say. when he does that.
This team misses Pods - because he's a good grinder - he knows how to get on base some.

Chicken Dinner
05-02-2007, 10:04 AM
Time for everyone to do the "Juan Uribe leg kick".

Blueprint1
05-02-2007, 10:21 AM
Seriously, you Anderson-whiners need to get a grip.

Your golden wonder boy is in AAA where he'll get a chance to hit.

Bottom line: The Sox didn't lose today because of Brian Anderson. :angry:

Thats not the point. We have bad players that have no chance of ever being good playing right now.

oeo
05-02-2007, 10:27 AM
Ozzie has a lineup of the hitters he wants- grinders that don't walk, but swing at everything with no power. And it still needs home runs or at least extra base power to score a run. And then, of course, he uses Cintron as a pinch hitter - there's not much you can say. when he does that.
This team misses Pods - because he's a good grinder - he knows how to get on base some.

You're going way overboard with all this grinder bull****.

Cintron, who although cold right now, is a better hitter than Pablo Ozuna. I know everyone loves Ozuna around here, but he's been crap this year. He needs to stay on the bench as much as possible. No more starting for him, especially leading off. He was great for us last year, but he isn't this year.

oeo
05-02-2007, 10:28 AM
Thats not the point. We have bad players that have no chance of ever being good playing right now.

Besides Ozuna, who else is there? No one...

INSox56
05-02-2007, 10:29 AM
Walker, plain and simple....

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/366386,CST-SPT-sox02.article

As mentioned earlier, Ozzie made some big mistakes in this game. Where was the bench coach when he brings Thornton in against lefties when the stats would show this CLEARLY isn't what needs doing. These "matchups" are starting to grate on me more than just a little bit. We've talked about it in the past...I think Cora is the wrong guy as bench coach. We need a voice of questioning, not a yes-man

oeo
05-02-2007, 10:36 AM
Walker, plain and simple....

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/366386,CST-SPT-sox02.article

How the hell did they suddenly become mentally beaten? A week and a half ago in Detroit, they looked like they were turning around. They were swinging the bats well, came back a couple of times. They carried this into KC...then they come back to Chicago to face the great Chad Durbin and suddenly they can't hit again. What a difference a day can make, I guess. :?:

chisoxmike
05-02-2007, 10:37 AM
You're going way overboard with all this grinder bull****.

Cintron, who although cold right now, is a better hitter than Pablo Ozuna. I know everyone loves Ozuna around here, but he's been crap this year. He needs to stay on the bench as much as possible. No more starting for him, especially leading off. He was great for us last year, but he isn't this year.

Oh man, thank you. I can't tell you how many times I see people post and people talk about "grinders" and how this team needs to "grind" more and we need the players to be "grinders"

Its really old and pathetic. Let's face it - that stage is over, lets just win.

itsnotrequired
05-02-2007, 10:41 AM
How the hell did they suddenly become mentally beaten? A week and a half ago in Detroit, they looked like they were turning around. They were swinging the bats well, came back a couple of times. They carried this into KC...then they come back to Chicago to face the great Chad Durbin and suddenly they can't hit again. What a difference a day can make, I guess. :?:

They looked good on Friday against the Angels as well. A few days of bad hitting and people forget about these good games. It is certainly hit or miss right now but reading some of these posts, one would think the Sox haven't hit anything other than a HR all season long.

chisoxmike
05-02-2007, 10:43 AM
How the hell did they suddenly become mentally beaten? A week and a half ago in Detroit, they looked like they were turning around. They were swinging the bats well, came back a couple of times. They carried this into KC...then they come back to Chicago to face the great Chad Durbin and suddenly they can't hit again. What a difference a day can make, I guess. :?:

I blame the 2007 Cy Young & MVP Chad Durbin for messing up our swings.

Jerko
05-02-2007, 10:46 AM
I REALLY think this lineup shuffle is 90% of the problem. I know it shouldn't matter where a guy bats, but people are either in different positions or different spots in the lineup seemingly on a daily basis. I'm sure they take different approaches depending on where they are batting and THAT'S probably throwing them off too. One day a guy's the cleanup hitter, the next day he's batting 7th or 8th. I'm really sick of this LRLRLRL bull****, both lineup -wise and pitching matchup wise. We used a pinch hitter last night that came into the game batting .170 points lower than the guy he hit for just so he could bat left handed? That's a joke and it happens in almost every ****in game we lose.

chisoxmike
05-02-2007, 10:48 AM
I REALLY think this lineup shuffle is 90% of the problem. I know it shouldn't matter where a guy bats, but people are either in different positions or different spots in the lineup seemingly on a daily basis. I'm sure they take different approaches depending on where they are batting and THAT'S probably throwing them off too. One day a guy's the cleanup hitter, the next day he's batting 7th or 8th. I'm really sick of this LRLRLRL bull****, both lineup -wise and pitching matchup wise. We used a pinch hitter last night that came into the game batting .170 points lower than the guy he hit for just so he could bat left handed? That's a joke and it happens in almost every ****in game we lose.

:jerry
"What do you mean this is the problem?"

Jerko
05-02-2007, 10:53 AM
:jerry
"What do you mean this is the problem?"

Well, we STILL haven't won on a Sunday this year........... :cool:

oeo
05-02-2007, 11:09 AM
I REALLY think this lineup shuffle is 90% of the problem. I know it shouldn't matter where a guy bats, but people are either in different positions or different spots in the lineup seemingly on a daily basis. I'm sure they take different approaches depending on where they are batting and THAT'S probably throwing them off too. One day a guy's the cleanup hitter, the next day he's batting 7th or 8th. I'm really sick of this LRLRLRL bull****, both lineup -wise and pitching matchup wise. We used a pinch hitter last night that came into the game batting .170 points lower than the guy he hit for just so he could bat left handed? That's a joke and it happens in almost every ****in game we lose.

I don't, because it's not like any one thing has worked all year, anyway. Sure there have been a lot of changes lately, but I think Ozzie's trying to find something that works. They need to step up and get the job done.

Jerko
05-02-2007, 11:23 AM
I don't, because it's not like any one thing has worked all year, anyway. Sure there have been a lot of changes lately, but I think Ozzie's trying to find something that works. They need to step up and get the job done.


I agree that the players have to get it done, but if you can't find something that works, you can at least stop doing the things that don't work. Cintron DHing, Mack batting 2nd, Gooch in the 7 hole (not lately obviously), Thornton against lefties so far, asking guys who can't bunt bunt, the all-righty lineup that is like 15-29 against lefties the past 2 years, etc. It just seems that the manager and/or coaches don't watch the games sometimes. It's infuriating.

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 11:33 AM
Seriously, you Anderson-whiners need to get a grip.

Your golden wonder boy is in AAA where he'll get a chance to hit.

Bottom line: The Sox didn't lose today because of Brian Anderson. :angry:


I don't care about Anderson in particular. I care about young players not getting a chance to play every day when they are up here.

We suck right now and we are playing 2nd string veterans due to injuries. I rather suck but have a chance to see the young players every day to see if they give us any hope. Be it Anderson or Sweeney.

When Pods went down, there was no reason to pick to Mack over Anderson IMO or even why not call up Sweeney to replace Pods every day in LF.


Then when Thome went down and having Cintron DH, that's insane. Too much Dusty Baker for me in making these type of moves.

oeo
05-02-2007, 11:41 AM
I agree that the players have to get it done, but if you can't find something that works, you can at least stop doing the things that don't work. Cintron DHing, Mack batting 2nd, Gooch in the 7 hole (not lately obviously), Thornton against lefties so far, asking guys who can't bunt bunt, the all-righty lineup that is like 15-29 against lefties the past 2 years, etc. It just seems that the manager and/or coaches don't watch the games sometimes. It's infuriating.

Cintron DH'ing: what, once?
Mack batting 2nd: again, I think that happened one time.
Gooch batting lower in the order: it was already stopped.
Thornton against lefties: if he didn't throw a meatball on 0-2 yesterday, he could have gotten out of the inning unscathed. He'll be fine.

It seems like you're bringing up examples that have only happened once.

cws05champ
05-02-2007, 12:14 PM
This pretty much sums it up:

Iguchi .242:o:
Konerko .198:o:
Dye .221:o:
AJ .213:o:
Crede .221:o:

They have to turn it on.

Or you can look at as they are hitting this poorly as well as Thome and Pods on the DL and they are still at .500. As Pres bush would say: Half glass full!!

Seriously though, if they keep playing like this Walker needs to go if nothing else but to light a fire under the hitters. This can not go on for another 2 weeks or we'll be a sizable hole and have to jump over 3 teams to get to 1st.

Jerko
05-02-2007, 12:36 PM
Cintron DH'ing: what, once?
Mack batting 2nd: again, I think that happened one time.
Gooch batting lower in the order: it was already stopped.
Thornton against lefties: if he didn't throw a meatball on 0-2 yesterday, he could have gotten out of the inning unscathed. He'll be fine.

It seems like you're bringing up examples that have only happened once.

The only thing I brought up that only happened once was Mack in the 2 hole. Cintron basically DH'd the first 2 games of that Angels series (granted, Thome got hurt), went 0-for Friday and Saturday, then gets the start Sunday at 2nd, batting under .090 the entire time. Tad was only moved to the 2 hole because Pods got hurt and they needed Erstad to lead off, and Thornton's numbers are from the whole year so far, not just last night's at bat to Ibanez. (I DO agree he will eventually get better vs. lefties). I also brought up asking players who can't bunt to bunt (AJ for 2 years now, Iguchi), and the terrible record with our all-righty lineup, (taking last year into account too). The same moves are being made over and over and they didn't work last year and won't work this year IMO. People complain about approach and chemistry and continuity and it's impossible to achieve any of those with these goofy moves IMO.

DannyCaterFan
05-02-2007, 12:55 PM
Just remember everybody, it's a very long season. There is plenty of time to turn things around. The Sox are hurting right now, but should be at full strength by June. Remember what the Twins did last season. No one is going to run away with this division.
Those of you old enough to remember the many losing seasons in the past, don't panic as quickly. I still remember sticking with the team when they were 56-106 in 1970. Now that was losing! This right now is just a bump in the road.

Nellie_Fox
05-02-2007, 01:20 PM
I still remember sticking with the team when they were 56-106 in 1970. Now that was losing! I was in Viet Nam for that entire season. I'm certain I had a better time there than I would have had suffering through that season. :o:

hawkjt
05-02-2007, 01:52 PM
Has any sox team ever hit .220 for the first 24 games? or any team?

there was that one year the tigers were down there in the .228 area with the sox second worse at like .257 but this .220 is simply ridiculously slumpy..

the record should be about 6-18 with this hitting.. today we rip the hide off the ball and get it started... i feel it..

102605
05-02-2007, 01:56 PM
Has any sox team ever hit .220 for the first 24 games? or any team?

there was that one year the tigers were down there in the .228 area with the sox second worse at like .257 but this .220 is simply ridiculously slumpy..

the record should be about 6-18 with this hitting.. today we rip the hide off the ball and get it started... i feel it..

D. Erstad (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5634) 1b0000000.258T. Iguchi (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7510) 2b0000000.239A.J. Pierzynski (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6109) c0000000.226P. Konerko (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5908) dh0000000.189J. Dye (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5610) rf0000000.210R. Mackowiak (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6725) lf0000000.174J. Crede (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6411) 3b0000000.222R. Sweeney (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7858) cf0000000.000J. Uribe (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6698) ss0000000.219



This is today's lineup. I don't like AJ batting 3rd. Dye and AJ should be swapped and so should Crede and Mack and Sweeney and Uribe.

oeo
05-02-2007, 02:01 PM
D. Erstad (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5634) 1b0000000.258T. Iguchi (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7510) 2b0000000.239A.J. Pierzynski (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6109) c0000000.226P. Konerko (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5908) dh0000000.189J. Dye (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5610) rf0000000.210R. Mackowiak (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6725) lf0000000.174J. Crede (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6411) 3b0000000.222R. Sweeney (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7858) cf0000000.000J. Uribe (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6698) ss0000000.219



This is today's lineup. I don't like AJ batting 3rd. Dye and AJ should be swapped and so should Crede and Mack and Sweeney and Uribe.

L-R-L-R-R-L-R-L-R...that's the explanation.

Jerko
05-02-2007, 02:04 PM
Dye may hit into a triple play today. :o:

BanditJimmy
05-02-2007, 02:08 PM
Dye may hit into a triple play today. :o:


LOL !!!