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cheeses_h_rice
04-19-2007, 03:49 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/playbyplay?gameId=270419110

nsdjoe
04-19-2007, 03:49 PM
How sick is A-Rod right now...

itsnotrequired
04-19-2007, 03:50 PM
Geez, ARod again. That guy is smoking hot right now.

Mr.1Dog
04-19-2007, 03:50 PM
Unreal. Good for us though:bandance:

WizardsofOzzie
04-19-2007, 03:54 PM
But I thought Cleveland was going to dominate this year?

102605
04-19-2007, 03:55 PM
6 runs in the 9th? Good for us at least. Maybe Arod will cool off before we see the Yankees.

Borowski gave up all 6 and people here complain about Jenks blowing 1 save.

thegooch
04-19-2007, 03:56 PM
nice bullpen.

BRDSR
04-19-2007, 03:57 PM
Always like to see the Indians lose, but I gotta feel for this Carmona kid. He went 1-10 last year with a ERA near 5.50. He's just trying to find his way around the major leagues, and he goes to Yankee Stadium of all places and tosses a quality start, 6 innings, 2 runs, only to watch Joe Blow give up 6 runs after retiring the first two batters of the 9th inning!

Thats just an unbelievable choke job.

The Immigrant
04-19-2007, 03:57 PM
Borowski had a 6-2 lead with 2 outs in the Ninth, and he gives up six runs. Talk about a punch in the gut.

The Immigrant
04-19-2007, 03:58 PM
6 runs in the 9th? Good for us at least. Maybe Arod will cool off before we see the Yankees.

Borowski gave up all 6 and people here complain about Jenks blowing 1 save.

Worse - he gave up all 6 runs with 2 outs.

kobo
04-19-2007, 04:00 PM
It's about damn time someone rocked Borowski, since the Sox couldn't.

102605
04-19-2007, 04:00 PM
Borowski had a 6-2 lead with 2 outs in the Ninth, and he gives up six runs. Talk about a punch in the gut.

To top if off it completes a 3 game sweep and drops the Indians to .500

Rocky Soprano
04-19-2007, 04:01 PM
To top if off it completes a 3 game sweep and drops the Indians to .500

:supernana:

Jaffar
04-19-2007, 04:03 PM
Does A-Rod reach 500 (473) before Thome (477) and/or Thomas (489)?

nsdjoe
04-19-2007, 04:05 PM
Does A-Rod reach 500 (473) before Thome (477) and/or Thomas (489)?

I'd put money on him beating Thome... tougher to beat Thomas.

WizardsofOzzie
04-19-2007, 04:07 PM
Thank god nobody in the Central has really come out of the gate hot. First place is really up for whoever wants to step up and get it....*paging the Chicago White Sox*

102605
04-19-2007, 04:08 PM
Does A-Rod reach 500 (473) before Thome (477) and/or Thomas (489)?

Wow thats interesting. All have a pretty good shot at getting to 500 this year. Big Frank always seemed kind of streaky with his power surges. If his health stays good and he goes onto one of his tears than I think The Big Hurt gets to 500 1st.

Jaffar
04-19-2007, 04:08 PM
I realize passing Frank would be quite the long shot but it's just un-real the way it appears AROD is seeing the ball right now.

The Immigrant
04-19-2007, 04:08 PM
I'll just add that Wedge's failure to walk A-Rod in that situation, with first base open, was pure genius.

Hitmen77
04-19-2007, 04:08 PM
Does A-Rod reach 500 (473) before Thome (477) and/or Thomas (489)?

It's definitely possible. 500 HRs and A-Rod is still only 31 years old. :o:

getonbckthr
04-19-2007, 04:10 PM
Wait Arod is bad for the team he plays on, isn't he?

102605
04-19-2007, 04:10 PM
I'll just add that Wedge's failure to walk A-Rod in that situation, with first base open, was pure genius.

Wedge doesn't ever seem to impress me much but it would have been picking his poison in this situation.

Giambi was sitting right behind him. Now if he had a lefty ready to go for Giambi thats a whole different story.

santo=dorf
04-19-2007, 04:11 PM
But A-Rod isn't clutch like Crede!!!!

What a comeback. Too bad JoBo killed my fantasy team with that 81 ERA, and 9.00 WHIP

getonbckthr
04-19-2007, 04:12 PM
I'll just add that Wedge's failure to walk A-Rod in that situation, with first base open, was pure genius.
You stick with your closer. If you don't have confidence in him then he shouldn't be your closer.

Jaffar
04-19-2007, 04:12 PM
I'd rather pitch to Giambi over AROD any day of the week, ESPECIALLY with the start he has had this season.

The Immigrant
04-19-2007, 04:16 PM
You stick with your closer. If you don't have confidence in him then he shouldn't be your closer.

I don't think ANYONE in Cleveland except Wedge has confidence in Borowski, but guess what - he will remain their closer.

Besides, the point of my post was simply that I would rather pitch to Giambi than A-Rod given the latter's torrid start.

TDog
04-19-2007, 04:17 PM
Wow thats interesting. All have a pretty good shot at getting to 500 this year. Big Frank always seemed kind of streaky with his power surges. If his health stays good and he goes onto one of his tears than I think The Big Hurt gets to 500 1st.

I suppose I would be criticized if I said I'm pulling for Thome to be the first to reach 500 career homers this year.

For the people who insist that Barry Bonds passing Henry Aaron will be the end of the world as we know it, take solace in the inevitability that Rodriguez will pass Bonds someday.

WizardsofOzzie
04-19-2007, 04:20 PM
You stick with your closer. If you don't have confidence in him then he shouldn't be your closer.
Yes, but only to a certain point. If Bobby had been out there with a 4 run lead and gave up 3 runs, we would all be screaming for Ozzie to put in Mac or Thornton. I'd really be shocked if Borowski was the closer for the tribe come May

BRDSR
04-19-2007, 04:24 PM
You stick with your closer. If you don't have confidence in him then he shouldn't be your closer.

It wasn't even a save situation. What do you call it when you blow a non-save?

I hope he's their closer for a long long time, but I don't see it happening.

santo=dorf
04-19-2007, 04:24 PM
You stick with your closer. If you don't have confidence in him then he shouldn't be your closer.
So explain Wedge's logic of bringing in the closer (the most overrated "position" in baseball) in a non save situation. :?:

russ99
04-19-2007, 04:31 PM
Borowski had a 6-2 lead with 2 outs in the Ninth, and he gives up six runs. Talk about a punch in the gut.

No surprise. I always think the Sox have a chance when he comes in to close. Too bad it didn't happen that way over the weekend.

He's a closer by desperation only.

thedudeabides
04-19-2007, 04:33 PM
I'm really going to enjoy the Joe Borowski era in Cleveland. :cool:

jabrch
04-19-2007, 04:34 PM
That Alex Rodriguez guy - such a choker. Meaningless HRs.

I hope he opts out after this season and leaves them with a huge gaping hole in the middle of their order and their IF.

infohawk
04-19-2007, 04:40 PM
I'm really going to enjoy the Joe Borowski era in Cleveland. :cool:
I for one don't think Cleveland has successfully addressed the bullpen issues that plagued them last year. Their bullpen was the reason they weren't in the playoff race toward the end of the season.

jabrch
04-19-2007, 04:41 PM
I for one don't think Cleveland has successfully addressed the bullpen issues that plagued them last year. Their bullpen was the reason they weren't in the playoff race toward the end of the season.

Sure they addressed their bullpen problems. They got Keith Foulke. Oh - wait a sec. Oops

TDog
04-19-2007, 04:41 PM
It wasn't even a save situation. What do you call it when you blow a non-save?

I hope he's their closer for a long long time, but I don't see it happening.

The box score only credits (charges) Borowski with the loss. He blew the game.

Of course, had someone else come in to pitch to Rodriguez and surrender a home run, Borowski would have lost and the reliever who gave up the home run would have blown the save opportunity.

It's ridiculous to stick with your closer in that situation. The idea that there is something sacred about a closer -- especially when your closer is Joe Borowski -- is losing baseball. When Bobby Jenks blew his save, the margin was so tight, and the A's were getting to so quickly that it was his game to win or lose. But if the Sox had a three or four-run lead, he should have, and would have, had the bullpen working by the time the game was on the line.

Go ahead and stick with your closer when he's getting rocked -- if you're a loser.

Scottiehaswheels
04-19-2007, 04:55 PM
Why the Indians haven't taken a chance on Hermanson yet is beyond me....

CHISOXFAN13
04-19-2007, 04:58 PM
So explain Wedge's logic of bringing in the closer (the most overrated "position" in baseball) in a non save situation. :?:

He was warming up because they had a three-run lead, and in all fairness, Borowski had not pitched since Sunday's game against the Sox.

Hard to blame Wedge here.

oeo
04-19-2007, 05:07 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/playbyplay?gameId=270419110

Indians bullpen is still crap. Borowski is major crap.

It's a shame we've already dropped four games to this team.

whitesoxfan
04-19-2007, 05:14 PM
Why the Indians haven't taken a chance on Hermanson yet is beyond me....

Because Hermanson is in even worse shape than Borowski...if that's possible.

They're in trouble. They're going to piss away a ton of games in the late innings because of how bad their bullpen is.

getonbckthr
04-19-2007, 05:16 PM
Because Hermanson is in even worse shape than Borowski...if that's possible.

They're in trouble. They're going to piss away a ton of games in the late innings because of how bad their bullpen is.
Aardsma and Erstad for Sizemore?

santo=dorf
04-19-2007, 05:23 PM
He was warming up because they had a three-run lead, and in all fairness, Borowski had not pitched since Sunday's game against the Sox.

Hard to blame Wedge here.
So Wedge couldn't have left Betancourt in? He only had 14 pitches, 10 for strikes, the inning before. Betancourt has many multiple innings appearances in his career.
Why didn't Wedge walk A-Rod with first base open due to a wild pitch?

Very easy to blame Wedge here.

FedEx227
04-19-2007, 05:32 PM
I never understood teams undying loyalty to closers. Stick with a guy who is doing great, especially if you have a shaky bullpen situation like the Indians. Betancourt was looking good, stick with him. Just like I wouldn't fault Ozzie if he kept MacDougal or Thornton in a closing situation if they had been throwing great.

soxinem1
04-19-2007, 05:50 PM
Why the Indians haven't taken a chance on Hermanson yet is beyond me....

The Reds were clocking him at about 79-80 on his fastball near the end of ST. They actually had him penciled to be the closer with a fewe weeks left, but the total loss of velocity scared them off.

They would be better off getting Ron Villone, at least he still has decent stuff.

Tragg
04-19-2007, 05:55 PM
Borowski's common; this will happen a lot.

They're lucky they got us when we weren't hitting and playing a stupid lineup.

oeo
04-19-2007, 05:57 PM
The Reds were clocking him at about 79-80 on his fastball near the end of ST. They actually had him penciled to be the closer with a fewe weeks left, but the total loss of velocity scared them off.

They would be better off getting Ron Villone, at least he still has decent stuff.

Or instead of going after over-the-hill, out-of-their-prime players, maybe the "2005 Executive of the Year" should have went the KW route. Oh wait...he can't.

thomas35forever
04-19-2007, 06:04 PM
Wow. I don't think I've seen a choke like this one before.

kraut83
04-20-2007, 07:32 AM
It's definitely possible. 500 HRs and A-Rod is still only 31 years old. :o:

That's pretty insane! I can take or leave the guy but if he keeps going at this rate, I'll be rooting for him to knock Bonds* (if he gets there) out of the HR record book.


*I'm still convinced something is going to happen and he won't pass Aaron.

soxinem1
04-20-2007, 12:30 PM
That's pretty insane! I can take or leave the guy but if he keeps going at this rate, I'll be rooting for him to knock Bonds* (if he gets there) out of the HR record book.


*I'm still convinced something is going to happen and he won't pass Aaron.

He'll break it, then he'll be passed in four years, so all his cheating will be for naught.

itsnotrequired
04-20-2007, 12:34 PM
Wow. I don't think I've seen a choke like this one before.

Not quite as bad since the Sox didn't have any outs but Opening Day 2004 was pretty crap-tacular.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA200404050.shtml

PKalltheway
04-20-2007, 12:41 PM
Wow. I don't think I've seen a choke like this one before.
Baseball Tonight last night reminded me of this huge ninth-inning comeback by the Pirates against the Astros back in 2001. Pirates trailed by 6 going into the 9th inning and scored 7 runs with two outs. The rally was capped off by Brian Giles' game winning grand slam off of Billy Wagner.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT200107281.shtml

PKalltheway
04-20-2007, 12:44 PM
Not quite as bad since the Sox didn't have any outs but Opening Day 2004 was pretty crap-tacular.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA200404050.shtml
Let's not talk about that game.:redneck

itsnotrequired
04-20-2007, 12:46 PM
Here's another one...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN200505020.shtml

PKalltheway
04-20-2007, 11:51 PM
Here's another one...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN200505020.shtml
I remember watching this game on tv! Oh boy, I thought they were gonna riot here in Cincy after that game!

itsnotrequired
04-21-2007, 07:57 AM
I remember watching this game on tv! Oh boy, I thought they were gonna riot here in Cincy after that game!

I caught the end of that game too and that's why I remembered it. I happened to flip over it before I went to bed and within about 5 minutes, the game was lost. It happened very quickly.

Ziggy S
04-22-2007, 12:16 AM
Sure they addressed their bullpen problems. They got Keith Foulke. Oh - wait a sec. Oops
Their next closer will be Roberto Hernandez.

Ziggy S
04-22-2007, 12:18 AM
I'm still wondering how we couldn't even score ONE run on Borowski. Oh well, get the guy next guy, if he's still their closer the next time we face the Toons.

Sportscaster17
04-23-2007, 08:51 AM
Wow. I don't think I've seen a choke like this one before.

How about blowing a three-games-to-none lead in the ALCS in 2004?