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Viva Medias B's
04-08-2007, 06:20 PM
When is he a free agent?

soltrain21
04-08-2007, 06:33 PM
His contract with the Twins is up after next year, I think.
His contract with the devil is up in four years, I think.

Viva Medias B's
04-08-2007, 06:44 PM
His contract with the Twins is up after next year, I think.
His contract with the devil is up in four years, I think.

Can we sign him?

PAPChiSox729
04-08-2007, 06:55 PM
Can we sign him?

The real question is...

will he rake in more than A-Rod?

FedEx227
04-08-2007, 08:25 PM
Um, he's a lefty and pitches.

So yes, yes he will.

Viva Medias B's
04-08-2007, 08:41 PM
The real question is...

will he rake in more than A-Rod?

Let's say both Johan and A-Rod become free agents at the end of 2008, and the White Sox officially decide to break the piggy bank on one of them. Which one do you think it should be? I say Johan.

chisoxmike
04-08-2007, 08:45 PM
Let's say both Johan and A-Rod become free agents at the end of 2008, and the White Sox officially decide to break the piggy bank on one of them. Which one do you think it should be? I say Johan.

It will never happen.

balke
04-08-2007, 08:50 PM
Let's say both Johan and A-Rod become free agents at the end of 2008, and the White Sox officially decide to break the piggy bank on one of them. Which one do you think it should be? I say Johan.

There will be someone who breaks the piggy bank harder on Santana no matter what. Same could probably be said about A-rod. I don't think Santana would ever play for the Sox, no matter how much cash we throw at him.

ilsox7
04-08-2007, 08:59 PM
There will be someone who breaks the piggy bank harder on Santana no matter what. Same could probably be said about A-rod. I don't think Santana would ever play for the Sox, no matter how much cash we throw at him.

Based on what? I mean, there is no way the Sox would offer enough money, but if they came in with the best offer, why would he not take it?

JB98
04-08-2007, 09:04 PM
There will be someone who breaks the piggy bank harder on Santana no matter what. Same could probably be said about A-rod. I don't think Santana would ever play for the Sox, no matter how much cash we throw at him.

There is a price for everything, my friend. I don't think Santana will ever wear a Sox uniform either, but that's only because of JR's policies about multiyear deals for pitchers. SOMEONE will give Johan six or seven years. It won't be us. I just look forward to the day Johan is out of our division. He's a great pitcher, and I also think he's inside the heads of our hitters. We can't do **** against him. Ever.

balke
04-08-2007, 09:05 PM
Based on what? I mean, there is no way the Sox would offer enough money, but if they came in with the best offer, why would he not take it?


I think he'd get better stats in a lot of ballparks. I think he would make more endorsement cash somewhere like NY w/ the Mets. I don't think he'd want to play for a team he's rivaled for so long. I also think with all money going to be huge, why stay somewhere so cold and play. The guy can go to any team he wants and name his price tag in the offseason. I'd be baffled if we got him, although he'd be welcome with open arms. Who knows though, maybe he secretly loves Chicago and wants to play here. I've never heard that.

ilsox7
04-08-2007, 09:08 PM
I think he'd get better stats in a lot of ballparks. I think he would make more endorsement cash somewhere like NY w/ the Mets. I don't think he'd want to play for a team he's rivaled for so long. I also think with all money going to be huge, why stay somewhere so cold and play. The guy can go to any team he wants and name his price tag in the offseason. I'd be baffled if we got him, although he'd be welcome with open arms. Who knows they, maybe he secretly loves Chicago and wants to play here. I've never heard that.

As I said, the Sox will not get him b/c they won't offer the type of contract he will demand. But if they did, I have not seen one iota of evidence that Johan would not want to come to the Sox. He's never spoken badly about the franchise or the city. In fact, him and Ozzie are native Venezuelans, which would be a positive. Either way, he's not coming here. But that's b/c of the contract he will demand, not b/c of who the Sox are.

DoItForDanPasqua
04-08-2007, 09:09 PM
Santana is likely to get around 20m per season and a long term deal. The Sox are not going to go for that, nor should they. The best thing that we can hope for is that he signs with a National League team.

rainbow6
04-08-2007, 09:40 PM
IIRC, JR was interviewed in the off season and stated that the
"no long term contracts" for pitches rule only applies to pitchers that they don't feel will be worth it...obviously Santana (if healthy) would be worth it...

I honestly feel that IF the Sox don't resign Dye or Crede they will make a big splash if free agency...


There is a price for everything, my friend. I don't think Santana will ever wear a Sox uniform either, but that's only because of JR's policies about multiyear deals for pitchers. SOMEONE will give Johan six or seven years. It won't be us. I just look forward to the day Johan is out of our division. He's a great pitcher, and I also think he's inside the heads of our hitters. We can't do **** against him. Ever.

viagracat
04-08-2007, 09:57 PM
As I said, the Sox will not get him b/c they won't offer the type of contract he will demand. But if they did, I have not seen one iota of evidence that Johan would not want to come to the Sox. He's never spoken badly about the franchise or the city. In fact, him and Ozzie are native Venezuelans, which would be a positive. Either way, he's not coming here. But that's b/c of the contract he will demand, not b/c of who the Sox are.

I agree. I don't think he'd have a fundamental problem pitching for the Sox, but the issue will be the money. Wouldn't be surprised to see him a Yankee before too long. :angry:

JB98
04-08-2007, 11:13 PM
I agree. I don't think he'd have a fundamental problem pitching for the Sox, but the issue will be the money. Wouldn't be surprised to see him a Yankee before too long. :angry:

That would be fine with me. Let the Red Sox deal with his ass five or six times a year.

SOX ADDICT '73
04-08-2007, 11:50 PM
...The best thing that we can hope for is that he signs with a National League team.
:praying:
Honestly, has there ever been a pitcher that has so thoroughly owned another team the way Santana does our Sox? It's not just that he beats us every time, it's that he makes our hitters look stupid to the point that they can do absolutely nothing against him. I think the earlier post was correct - he's in the players' heads, and they go into the game with a defeatist attitude from the first pitch.

There may have been pitchers with as good or even better of a record against one team, but if you take into account how few hits/runs and how many strikeouts the Sox have managed in Johan's starts, I have never seen anyone dominate/humiliate like this.

Just so this isn't a total thread hijack, if Santana's deal with the Devil has a clause that does allow him to pitch for the Sox, which team currently functions as his secondary whipping boys? If it's the Toons or Tigers, I say make it happen, Kenny!

dcb56
04-09-2007, 02:08 AM
:praying:
Honestly, has there ever been a pitcher that has so thoroughly owned another team the way Santana does our Sox? It's not just that he beats us every time, it's that he makes our hitters look stupid to the point that they can do absolutely nothing against him. I think the earlier post was correct - he's in the players' heads, and they go into the game with a defeatist attitude from the first pitch.

There may have been pitchers with as good or even better of a record against one team, but if you take into account how few hits/runs and how many strikeouts the Sox have managed in Johan's starts, I have never seen anyone dominate/humiliate like this.

Just so this isn't a total thread hijack, if Santana's deal with the Devil has a clause that does allow him to pitch for the Sox, which team currently functions as his secondary whipping boys? If it's the Toons or Tigers, I say make it happen, Kenny!

If you look at his career splits, his stats against the Sox are almost exactly the same as his career stats in general, so while it seems like he owns us more than any other team (probably because we see him a lot more than most other teams), the fact is our performance is pretty much average against him.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=santajo02&year=00

That being said, here's hoping an NL team not based in Chicago with deep pockets steps up and signs him when he becomes a FA.

balke
04-09-2007, 08:36 AM
I honestly think our hitters were doing a great job yesterday. It seemed like they came with a plan to get Santana out early by forcing him to make his pitches. Iguchi had some great at-bats against him that squeezed about 10 pitches out of his arm.

I think the Sox were in a rhythm against Johan in terms of staying patient and squeezing some more pitches out of his arm, that was until that 3-run inning. After that they were forced to be more aggressive and attack the ball more, resulting in shorter at-bats. The way the game was going until that point, they might have gotten Johan out in the 7th, and went after the bullpen where they had a better chance of success.

Who knows what would've happened if Crane faced Konerko-Thome-Dye-Crede instead of Nathan.

We are at the point now where you just gotta tip your hat to Johan, and get a good outing out of your pitcher against him, and hope to get Santana out of the game as early as possible.

I think Santana is going to have more to think about this offseason than money. He's only going to listen to teams willing to give 17mil+ a year, but he also has to think about where he wants to spend his next 6-7 yrs of life with his family. He'd probably cut Minnesota a cheaper rate since he is already set-up there. He could go to NY where he could make a lot more money through marketing. He could also try heading West to play for the Angels and enjoy the California sun. I don't think top dollar is going to be the only factor for him, because he'll be making so much money no matter where he goes. He seems like the kind of player who will listen to Minnesota first and go from there.

I'm still hoping we can keep Buehrle. He's a fighter who has had some great outings against Santana. I think he's a great fit for the Sox if he wants to stay.

SBSoxFan
04-09-2007, 09:16 AM
If you look at his career splits, his stats against the Sox are almost exactly the same as his career stats in general, so while it seems like he owns us more than any other team (probably because we see him a lot more than most other teams), the fact is our performance is pretty much average against him.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=santajo02&year=00

That being said, here's hoping an NL team not based in Chicago with deep pockets steps up and signs him when he becomes a FA.

Isn't he now 11-1 in his last 13 starts against the Sox?

Grzegorz
04-09-2007, 11:16 AM
Let's say both Johan and A-Rod become free agents at the end of 2008, and the White Sox officially decide to break the piggy bank on one of them. Which one do you think it should be? I say Johan.

It will never happen.

Jeez Mike, you're like a cold shower...

A fan can dream can't he? :D: