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JermaineDye05
04-07-2007, 10:25 PM
I don't say that Milwaukee Brewers are nothing, but I think the offense of the Cincinnati Reds is better. There's no making mistakes when pitching against Cincinnati. When you make a mistake against Cincinnati you pay for it. When you make a mistake against Milwaukee sometimes they miss and that's good.

He may have a point, but I don't think you go right out and say that. Zambrano needs to watch what he says sometimes, eventually a pitcher will take a shot at him.

RKMeibalane
04-07-2007, 10:28 PM
He may have a point, but I don't think you go right out and say that. Zambrano needs to watch what he says sometimes, eventually a pitcher will take a shot at him.

Zambrano should worry more about his own team. I will never understand why players insist on discussing things that have nothing to do with them.

RadioheadRocks
04-07-2007, 10:29 PM
He may have a point, but I don't think you go right out and say that. Zambrano needs to watch what he says sometimes, eventually a pitcher will take a shot at him.


Exactly, it's only a matter of time before his mouth writes a check his ass can't cash, then look out!

rocky biddle
04-07-2007, 10:55 PM
He's a douche. Amazing pitcher, but a douche nonetheless.

PAPChiSox729
04-07-2007, 10:56 PM
I think this is more a compliment to the Reds than a shot at the Brewers. If anything, the Brewers' offense now has more motivation to go after Zambrano next time around.

UserNameBlank
04-07-2007, 11:07 PM
He's right. The Brewers are my second favorite team, but they are overrated by a lot of people. Their offense has some future promise but is unspectacular, their defense is suspect, and their pitching is mediocre at best. Still, they will win games in that horse**** division.

HotelWhiteSox
04-08-2007, 02:37 AM
The Reds lineup has him shaking? LOL @ the pitiful NL

While watching highlights and watching the whole team doing their shtick where they show up the other team, I was wondering when another pitcher would grow a pair and start hitting guys. I hope Freddy faces them

dcb56
04-08-2007, 03:18 AM
Exactly, it's only a matter of time before his mouth writes a check his ass can't cash, then look out!

Yup, just like Ozzie with some of the stupid **** he says. They must hang out together during the offseason, though I will give Ozzie an ounce of credit because he never gives the opposition bulliten board material this juicy.

Viva Medias B's
04-08-2007, 10:42 AM
Carlos Zambrano has million dollar talent and a ten cent brain.

bridgeportcopper
04-08-2007, 11:34 AM
Carlos Zambrano should thank his lucky stars Derrick Lee made that outstanding diving double play off the bat of Prince Fielder because with the leadoff homer and the two walks he allowed that inning, that 2-0 lead was very shaky at that point. I don't understand why he isn't detested and thrown at around the league more than he is with his celebrating, finger-pointing and crotch-grabbing. Don't get me wrong he's a solid pitcher, but he acts like a real softball.

IndianWhiteSox
04-08-2007, 11:35 AM
Carlos Zambrano has million dollar talent and a ten cent brain.

Carlos Zambrano should thank his lucky stars Derrick Lee made that outstanding diving double play off the bat of Prince Fielder because with the leadoff homer and the two walks he allowed that inning, that 2-0 lead was very shaky at that point. I don't understand why he isn't detested and thrown at around the league more than he is with his celebrating, finger-pointing and crotch-grabbing. Don't get me wrong he's a solid pitcher, but he acts like a real softball.

Truer words couldn't have been spoken.

DickAllen72
04-08-2007, 12:43 PM
Carlos Zambrano has million dollar talent and a ten cent brain.

I hate the Cubs and all things Cub, but I'd take Carlos Zambrano on the White Sox any day of the week. I like his fire.

JermaineDye05
04-08-2007, 01:04 PM
Carlos Zambrano should thank his lucky stars Derrick Lee made that outstanding diving double play off the bat of Prince Fielder because with the leadoff homer and the two walks he allowed that inning, that 2-0 lead was very shaky at that point. I don't understand why he isn't detested and thrown at around the league more than he is with his celebrating, finger-pointing and crotch-grabbing. Don't get me wrong he's a solid pitcher, but he acts like a real softball.

Well, because few starters around the league possess a fastball that hits 97+ as Zambranos.

MUsoxfan
04-08-2007, 02:37 PM
I hate the Cubs and all things Cub, but I'd take Carlos Zambrano on the White Sox any day of the week. I like his fire.

Not me. I'll pass on a guy who's favorite hobby is showing up opponents. He's an embarressment to baseball

jabrch
04-08-2007, 02:40 PM
I hate the Cubs and all things Cub, but I'd take Carlos Zambrano on the White Sox any day of the week. I like his fire.

Would you give him 5 years and 16mm per? That's the question.

As good as he is - I'd pass at that price.

Viva Medias B's
04-08-2007, 07:22 PM
I hate the Cubs and all things Cub, but I'd take Carlos Zambrano on the White Sox any day of the week. I like his fire.

Ozzie would not tolerate Zambrano's poor sportsmanship.

UserNameBlank
04-08-2007, 07:32 PM
Would you give him 5 years and 16mm per? That's the question.

As good as he is - I'd pass at that price.
If the choice was Buehrle at 4/$60 or Zambrano at 5/$80, I take Carlos and all his bull**** sky pointing. That said, someone is going to give him a Zito-like deal next year that will make 5/$80 look like a bargain.

MarySwiss
04-08-2007, 08:26 PM
If the choice was Buehrle at 4/$60 or Zambrano at 5/$80, I take Carlos and all his bull**** sky pointing. That said, someone is going to give him a Zito-like deal next year that will make 5/$80 look like a bargain.

Could not disagree more. Zambrano is a tool. And Uncle Jerry is not one to sign pitchers to longterm contracts, anyway. But he's more likely to sign a pitcher he knows (Buehrle) than an unknown.

DrCrawdad
04-08-2007, 09:10 PM
Well, because few starters around the league possess a fastball that hits 97+ as Zambranos.

How many times did Zambraino hit 97+ in either of his first two starters this season?

viagracat
04-08-2007, 11:02 PM
Not me. I'll pass on a guy who's favorite hobby is showing up opponents. He's an embarressment to baseball

We used to think that way about AJ.

If the Sox were to somehow get ahold of Zambrano he'd be embraced by most people here. He's a horse who eats innings and gets people out. What more do you want from a pitcher?

UserNameBlank
04-08-2007, 11:15 PM
Could not disagree more. Zambrano is a tool. And Uncle Jerry is not one to sign pitchers to longterm contracts, anyway. But he's more likely to sign a pitcher he knows (Buehrle) than an unknown.
Honestly I don't think signing either pitcher is likely, but the tool thing is a dumb reason to not want him on the Sox. Tons of people around here said the same thing about AJ before he came here, and look how that worked out.

I for one would love to see him in black and white striking out the pirhanas in the Humpdome during a heated pennant race. Then he could point to the sky, which some whacko Minnesota writers would undoubtedly see as a motion towards the supposed racist construction of that god forsaken hellhole.

Still, my bet is Mark gets at least 5 years if he has a good year, maybe 6. Zambrano should end up getting 7. Yikes!

ilsox7
04-08-2007, 11:18 PM
Still, my bet is Mark gets at least 5 years if he has a good year, maybe 6. Zambrano should end up getting 7. Yikes!

While things most definitely can change over the course of the next few months, Zambrano apparently had agreed to 5 years with the Cubs. I think the 7 year pitcher contracts may not actually take hold. I think it's much more likely that teams max out at 5 years for pitchers, with maybe an exception for Johan in a couple of years.

Gavin
04-08-2007, 11:38 PM
Would you give him 5 years and 16mm per? That's the question.

Yes.

peeonwrigley
04-09-2007, 12:09 AM
I'm surprised he talks all this **** when his multi-million dollar asset is exposed every time he steps to the plate (he bats lefty.)

That said... the Reds line up? Apparently he'd crap his pants if he saw what the Yankees, either Sox, or Indians put out there on a daily basis.

dcb56
04-09-2007, 03:34 AM
Would you give him 5 years and 16mm per? That's the question.

As good as he is - I'd pass at that price.

Are you ****ing kidding me? KW signed "5-inning Javy" to an extension for $11 million per, so how in the hell would Carlos Zambrano not be worth at least $16 million for an extended period of time given his age?

Sometimes I really don't get some of the people on this site. How anyone here in their right mind can sit here and seriously tell everyone they wouldn't want a guy like Carlos Zambrano on their team is beyond comprehension. The guy is a horse, eats tons of innings, and wins lots of games, but I guess since he's not cheap or much of a "grinder," I should make up a bunch of bull**** about how he's going to be overpaid and/or ruin the chemistry of whatever team he is on.

That said, there's no chance the Sox will pony up the kind of dough it will take to land Zambrano. Given how the market for premium starting pitching has absolutely exploded in the last few years, I'd say a 7 year/140 million dollar deal is not out of the realm of possibility if he hits the open market. There's no way the White Sox will be willing to make a commitment that large.

Soxfanspcu11
04-09-2007, 05:36 AM
I hate the Cubs and all things Cub, but I'd take Carlos Zambrano on the White Sox any day of the week. I like his fire.

His strong desire to win is nice to see, especially in a day and age in sports when it's more about "PAY ME" then it is about winning.

That being said, that is about the only positive thing about his personality. He's constantly complaining, shows up his own team when they make mistakes, and is always talking ****.

Granted I don't know the guy, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that he physically abuses his wife/girlfriend.

When he flips out on the mound and screams like that, it's a slight insight to his personality. I really hope that he doesn't physically abuse anyone that he cares about, but I would hate to be his spouse and accidentaly overcook his dinner, if I were his girl, I would be constantly fearing for my life.

IndianWhiteSox
04-09-2007, 06:21 AM
Ozzie would not tolerate Zambrano's poor sportsmanship.

Do you know Ozzie personally that you know that would be the case considering how he loves AJ and people like him.

I'm surprised he talks all this **** when his multi-million dollar asset is exposed every time he steps to the plate (he bats lefty.)

That said... the Reds line up? Apparently he'd crap his pants if he saw what the Yankees, either Sox, or Indians put out there on a daily basis.

Well don't underestimate a lineup of Dunn and Griffey but that being said, if he is that afraid of the Reds lineup then maybe he isn't all that most people in the game think he is and maybe he might just be a product of a weak NL.

Are you ****ing kidding me? KW signed "5-inning Javy" to an extension for $11 million per, so how in the hell would Carlos Zambrano not be worth at least $16 million for an extended period of time given his age?

Sometimes I really don't get some of the people on this site. How anyone here in their right mind can sit here and seriously tell everyone they wouldn't want a guy like Carlos Zambrano on their team is beyond comprehension. The guy is a horse, eats tons of innings, and wins lots of games, but I guess since he's not cheap or much of a "grinder," I should make up a bunch of bull**** about how he's going to be overpaid and/or ruin the chemistry of whatever team he is on.

That said, there's no chance the Sox will pony up the kind of dough it will take to land Zambrano. Given how the market for premium starting pitching has absolutely exploded in the last few years, I'd say a 7 year/140 million dollar deal is not out of the realm of possibility if he hits the open market. There's no way the White Sox will be willing to make a commitment that large.

The main concern for Zambrano is that he is able to adjust to the AL and he can stay healthy with out blowing out is arm due to high pitch counts or stupid celebrations.

However, the ownership has shelled out big dough for players before(ie, Fisk and Belle), so let's not count them out. It would also be funny how many Zambrano shirts would disappear on the north side in a second?

We used to think that way about AJ.

If the Sox were to somehow get ahold of Zambrano he'd be embraced by most people here. He's a horse who eats innings and gets people out. What more do you want from a pitcher?

I guess he probably would be as long as he wasn't a menace in the clubhouse and in society.

His strong desire to win is nice to see, especially in a day and age in sports when it's more about "PAY ME" then it is about winning.

That being said, that is about the only positive thing about his personality. He's constantly complaining, shows up his own team when they make mistakes, and is always talking ****.

Granted I don't know the guy, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that he physically abuses his wife/girlfriend.

When he flips out on the mound and screams like that, it's a slight insight to his personality. I really hope that he doesn't physically abuse anyone that he cares about, but I would hate to be his spouse and accidentaly overcook his dinner, if I were his girl, I would be constantly fearing for my life.

I wouldn't be surprised either, but let's reserve judgment on someone like that before we know him. Hell most people thought that AJ was a cancer before he came to the Sox.

PS- Personally, I would love Zambrano to come to the Sox as well, but the thing is can he adjust to the AL and stay healthy, is the question.

SBSoxFan
04-09-2007, 10:26 AM
Are you ****ing kidding me? KW signed "5-inning Javy" to an extension for $11 million per, so how in the hell would Carlos Zambrano not be worth at least $16 million for an extended period of time given his age?

Sometimes I really don't get some of the people on this site. How anyone here in their right mind can sit here and seriously tell everyone they wouldn't want a guy like Carlos Zambrano on their team is beyond comprehension. The guy is a horse, eats tons of innings, and wins lots of games, but I guess since he's not cheap or much of a "grinder," I should make up a bunch of bull**** about how he's going to be overpaid and/or ruin the chemistry of whatever team he is on.

That said, there's no chance the Sox will pony up the kind of dough it will take to land Zambrano. Given how the market for premium starting pitching has absolutely exploded in the last few years, I'd say a 7 year/140 million dollar deal is not out of the realm of possibility if he hits the open market. There's no way the White Sox will be willing to make a commitment that large.

I wouldn't want a guy like Carlos Zambrano on the team I root for. I learned my lesson with Albert Belle. Now, a pitcher like Carlos Zambrano is a different story.

Whitesox029
04-09-2007, 12:19 PM
I'm almost 100% certain he only said this to make himself look good. He got racked up by the Reds so now he's going to talk about them like they're better than they are. I'm going to laugh very hard when he gives up 6 or 7 runs next time he faces the Brewers.

ComiskeyBrewer
04-09-2007, 02:05 PM
Brewers Catcher Johnny Estrada responds:

Why listen to anything that guy says?" catcher Johnny Estrada asked. "The bottom line is he's a good pitcher. He's one of the best pitchers in our league. But some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth I think everybody could do without, including some of his own teammates, I'm sure."

Way to go Ponch.

Foulke You
04-09-2007, 05:27 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me? KW signed "5-inning Javy" to an extension for $11 million per, so how in the hell would Carlos Zambrano not be worth at least $16 million for an extended period of time given his age?

Sometimes I really don't get some of the people on this site. How anyone here in their right mind can sit here and seriously tell everyone they wouldn't want a guy like Carlos Zambrano on their team is beyond comprehension. The guy is a horse, eats tons of innings, and wins lots of games, but I guess since he's not cheap or much of a "grinder," I should make up a bunch of bull**** about how he's going to be overpaid and/or ruin the chemistry of whatever team he is on.

Yes, I wouldn't MIND having him but I think there are better proven American League pitchers out there that I'd rather the Sox throw money at (namely Buehrle). People are underestimating the difference level of competition between the AL and NL in today's MLB. The lineups in the AL outclass the NL's in every way. It would be a mistake to pay Zambrano like he is a #1 starter in the AL when he isn't. Since 2003 he has only won 13-16 games per year in the NL Central. Above average win totals for sure but in the wishy washy NL Central, the numbers don't seem as impressive and certainly not worthy of the money someone is going to throw at him. It is not out of the realm of possibility that Zambrano's NL win totals translate to 11-13 wins in the AL Central or AL East.

Don't get me wrong, Zambrano has electric stuff but he has way too many flaws to throw a #1 starter type contract at him which is what he is going to demand. For starters, he has a 10 cent brain and is very easily rattled. You call out "5 inning Javy" for being mentally fragile but Zambrano goes bonkers when pesky base stealers get on and take big leads. (Remember the Timo Perez game in 2004? I've seen him do this in other games too so that wasn't a one time thing.) "Big Z" also frequently unravels after giving up a big home run or when a hitter gives him a taste of his own medicine and showboats in the box after hitting one. He doesn't have enough poise or control when he is on the mound which is why he'll never win a Cy Young and why I wouldn't trust him in a big playoff game. He gets by with his stuff alone (admittedly, it is damn good stuff). Loaded AL lineups would expose him for being a middle of the rotation AL starter. Ask yourself this, if Zambrano thinks the '07 Reds have a strong lineup, what would he think of the '07 Cleveland lineup? How about the Yankees lineup?