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Fenway
04-07-2007, 12:50 PM
Ok granted this is a bad week just about everywhere for early April but MLB has to start using their heads on the first week.

Twins-White Sox the first week? Fine use the Metrodome. Have the Jays open at home.....have games in Tampa, Milwaukee, Seattle that you know will be played.

MLB does have the problem in New York and Chicago that one of the teams has to open at home but it borders on the insanity to have games scheduled at night in Chicago the first week of April. Same goes for Detroit and Cleveland.

Boston almost never opens at home because of lousy New England weather plus that have to be home for Patriots Day so they usually have the first homestand in the second week that ends with the 10 AM game.

But again this is just a nasty week of bad weather, they even expect snow flurries in Dallas Sunday night :o:

ilsox7
04-07-2007, 12:51 PM
Unclue Bud has 0 common sense. He's shown that time and time again.

MUsoxfan
04-07-2007, 12:58 PM
I'm going to cut and paste from my post in yesterday's "game" thread. I do feel quite strongly about it....




http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon1.gif
There's an easy resolution to this. Open up every year in the following cities:

AL
Tampa
Toronto
Minnesota
Kansas City
Anaheim
Texas
Oakland
Seattle

NL
Atlanta
Florida
Houston
Milwaukee
San Diego
Arizona
Los Angeles
San Francisco


The numbers work out almost perfectly. Let these teams have a couple home series right off the bat, and then let the other teams have their turn. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp and it makes every bit of sense.

Fenway
04-07-2007, 01:00 PM
All I can say was Wednesday night in Kansas City was not fun to be outside :mad:

DSpivack
04-07-2007, 01:02 PM
It's usually a little chilly in early April, sure, but not this cold.

It's 40 and I'm in Atlanta!

HotelWhiteSox
04-07-2007, 01:05 PM
I pretty much agree with MU. One exception I would have is to have the champs open up at home

DoItForDanPasqua
04-07-2007, 01:06 PM
But does a week really make that much of a difference in the temperature? I hated the long stretch of years where the White Sox always opened on the road. It's cold all through April and you can't have half of the teams on the road for the entire first month.

I do agree, on the other hand, with limiting night games during the beginning of the season.

MUsoxfan
04-07-2007, 01:10 PM
But does a week really make that much of a difference in the temperature? I hated the long stretch of years where the White Sox always opened on the road. It's cold all through April and you can't have half of the teams on the road for the entire first month.

I do agree, on the other hand, with limiting night games during the beginning of the season.


7-8 days in April can be a huge difference. It's not always a favorable difference, but it usually is.

Lip Man 1
04-07-2007, 01:19 PM
I want to say that MLB was actually doing this for a period of time in the late 80's / early 90's.

Basically as I recall the California, Southern and Dome teams were the ones that were opening the season at home as much as possible.

I think they may have changed the schedule because they went to three divisions with that goofy unbalanced schedule.

Lip

TDog
04-07-2007, 01:28 PM
But does a week really make that much of a difference in the temperature? I hated the long stretch of years where the White Sox always opened on the road. It's cold all through April and you can't have half of the teams on the road for the entire first month.

I do agree, on the other hand, with limiting night games during the beginning of the season.

There have been years when the Cubs opened the season at home and the Sox opened on the road and came home to worse weather than the Cubs opened with.

With two teams in Chicago, you pretty much have to have one team in town at any given time, even in April, because you want to avoid the teams having competing homestands. You also shouldn't have competing homestands in metropolitan Los Angeles or the Bay Area, although I don't think of San Francisco as a warm-weather city. It would be nice to pass a law to forbid the Texas Rangers from playing home games in August, at least games that involve the Sox.

The fact is, even if you opened the season two or three weeks later, you could still have problems with the weather.

The Racehorse
04-07-2007, 02:08 PM
Since nobody can predict the weather with 100% accuracy, MLB should look at it from a standpoint of how it'd be easiest to manage bad weather & subsequent cancelled games in early April.

I think 162 games is too much. Go back to 154 games. It's only 8 fewer games, but it'd help. Having a balanced schedule would help tremendously... then schedule the warm weather & dome teams as home teams the first week or two. I think those three things would make managing bad weather in early April much easier and create less havoc with the schedule later in the year.

Of course, I think its a given that no owner will buy off on fewer games. I'm not sure the politics regarding a balanced versus a unbalanced schedule.

Fenway
04-07-2007, 03:26 PM
I am now watching snow falling in Arlington, Texas :o:

http://www.wunderground.com/US/TX/Arlington.html

PaleHoseGeorge
04-07-2007, 04:08 PM
I want to say that MLB was actually doing this for a period of time in the late 80's / early 90's.

Basically as I recall the California, Southern and Dome teams were the ones that were opening the season at home as much as possible.

I think they may have changed the schedule because they went to three divisions with that goofy unbalanced schedule.

Lip

You beat me to it, Lip, though the unbalanced schedule had NOTHING to do with MLB ditching the plan.

MLB began scheduling early-season games in warm climate cities and domed stadiums back in the mid-80's precisely to avoid weather-related problems like the ones we're living through right now. You may recall this came just a few years after Time magazine and other publications were doing feature stories about the coming Ice Age, so it made even more sense back then.
:tongue:

As you might expect, the reason the plan was ditched after only a few years was because the California teams (and others) began bitching about all the early-season home games they were forced to host. They began whining that they weren't getting enough home dates in the summer months and it was hurting their season attendance. So it was back to the "April snows" for Major League Baseball...

Of course sun spots have been making the point moot... we just need more patience.
:smile:

DSpivack
04-07-2007, 06:57 PM
There have been years when the Cubs opened the season at home and the Sox opened on the road and came home to worse weather than the Cubs opened with.

With two teams in Chicago, you pretty much have to have one team in town at any given time, even in April, because you want to avoid the teams having competing homestands. You also shouldn't have competing homestands in metropolitan Los Angeles or the Bay Area, although I don't think of San Francisco as a warm-weather city. It would be nice to pass a law to forbid the Texas Rangers from playing home games in August, at least games that involve the Sox.

The fact is, even if you opened the season two or three weeks later, you could still have problems with the weather.

I don't see why the Angels and Dodgers shouldn't be at home at the same time. They basically play in different cities, despite the name. You could make the same argument for the A's and Giants. Mets/Yanks and Sox/Cubs is another matter.

eastchicagosoxfan
04-07-2007, 07:12 PM
It's unseasonably cold right now. Seasonable weather in Chicago this time of year are highs near 60 with lows around 40. Every April, there are games played in cold weather. The difference is that this year, games are cancelled due to brutally cold baseball weather. Add in that this cold snap has lasted a week, and the forecasts don't indicate any significant moderation, The result is that the threshold for a cold game has gone up. I doubt today's game would be played if, hypothetically, yesterday was seasonal, and a cold front created today's conditions. MLB can't cancel a whole week. I'm an optimist. The Sox are getting accustommed to October weather.

PKalltheway
04-07-2007, 10:18 PM
The fact is, even if you opened the season two or three weeks later, you could still have problems with the weather.
Exactly. The only reason why it's being talked about now is because it has been unseasonably cold this April.

Tragg
04-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Would it really be the end of the world if the Sox and Cubs (and the other 2 team cities) played at home for 5-10 games at the same time during the season?

dcb56
04-08-2007, 03:40 AM
Exactly. The only reason why it's being talked about now is because it has been unseasonably cold this April.

Does anyone know the last time a game was cancelled becuase of cold weather? I don't recall it happening within recent memory.

I have a $20 bill that says this will be long forgotten by June. The fact is it can get brutally cold (not to mention it rains a lot during the spring) in the north anytime before Memorial Day, so it seems rather pointless to avoid scheduling games in colder climates for the first week or two because trying forecasting weather months in advance is kinda like a box of chocolates. Of all the problems MLB has right now, I'd say this is near the bottom of the list.

StillMissOzzie
04-08-2007, 06:02 AM
MLB does have the problem in New York and Chicago that one of the teams has to open at home but it borders on the insanity to have games scheduled at night in Chicago the first week of April. Same goes for Detroit and Cleveland.


With two teams in Chicago, you pretty much have to have one team in town at any given time, even in April, because you want to avoid the teams having competing homestands.

Would it be all that terrible if BOTH teams opened on the road in a warm weather/dome? I can see the argument for not wanting both teams home at the same time, but what's the matter with having both teams GONE at the same time?
Even the most devoted of fans don't relish these early April games up north.

SMO
:?:

dickallen15
04-08-2007, 08:43 AM
Reinsdorf made sure the White Sox opened on the road for years. There was so much complaining, even on this board, about the White Sox always opening on the road. Having another home series follow directly is the mistake IMO. If you look at it, this coming week's weather isn't going to be much better. In fact the weather for the Sox opener will have been much better than that of the Cubs opener. You can't have too many days when both the Cubs and Sox are playing at home, especially considering the Cubs play more games at the same time. It causes a mess on the red line. Even bigger than mess the CTA causes it.

dickallen15
04-08-2007, 08:44 AM
Would it be all that terrible if BOTH teams opened on the road in a warm weather/dome? I can see the argument for not wanting both teams home at the same time, but what's the matter with having both teams GONE at the same time?
Even the most devoted of fans don't relish these early April games up north.

SMO
:?:
If both teams are gone at the same time, they both will eventually have to be home at the same time.

Frontman
04-08-2007, 09:48 AM
Unclue Bud has 0 common sense. He's shown that time and time again.

But, but, but.....Selig's been a 'great' commissioner! Dan Patrick even said so!

Here's my take on it. Shorten the schedule by a week by having 4 double headers over the course of a season. Make it a marketing ploy, and they'll definately make up what little revenue they would loose by having fans stay for the second game. (Using TV marketing of course.)

itsnotrequired
04-08-2007, 10:10 AM
Here's my take on it. Shorten the schedule by a week by having 4 double headers over the course of a season. Make it a marketing ploy, and they'll definately make up what little revenue they would loose by having fans stay for the second game. (Using TV marketing of course.)

I like this idea. The marketing angle pushing doubleheaders would be excellent. As a side bonus, starting the season a week late works out for the WBC as well.

Frontman
04-08-2007, 11:11 AM
I like this idea. The marketing angle pushing doubleheaders would be excellent. As a side bonus, starting the season a week late works out for the WBC as well.

Man, I used up my one good idea for the week already! :D:

TornLabrum
04-08-2007, 11:18 AM
But, but, but.....Selig's been a 'great' commissioner! Dan Patrick even said so!

Here's my take on it. Shorten the schedule by a week by having 4 double headers over the course of a season. Make it a marketing ploy, and they'll definately make up what little revenue they would loose by having fans stay for the second game. (Using TV marketing of course.)

Damn! I swear to God, I just wrote my column where I said the same thing about doubleheaders. Then I came here and read this. Honest! I didn't steal the idea from you!

Chicken Dinner
04-08-2007, 11:24 AM
Hasn't every postponed game been against a team that has a dome???:o:

IndianWhiteSox
04-08-2007, 11:28 AM
MLB and common sense, is that an oxymoron?

Railsplitter
04-08-2007, 07:35 PM
I don't recall any complaints two years ago when the Sox opened at home on a beautiful April day.

viagracat
04-08-2007, 11:11 PM
But, but, but.....Selig's been a 'great' commissioner! Dan Patrick even said so!

Here's my take on it. Shorten the schedule by a week by having 4 double headers over the course of a season. Make it a marketing ploy, and they'll definately make up what little revenue they would loose by having fans stay for the second game. (Using TV marketing of course.)

I'm old enough to remember when there were doubleheaders every Sunday, as well as many holidays like the Fourth of July. That was a holdover from the days when traveling from city to city was more challenging, but by doing so today, you could start the season a week or so later and avoid some of this early-season bull****. Which from a weather standpoint was exactly what this Sox homestand was.

Frontman
04-09-2007, 07:17 AM
Damn! I swear to God, I just wrote my column where I said the same thing about doubleheaders. Then I came here and read this. Honest! I didn't steal the idea from you!

That's funny. I just thought it was common sense, so great minds think like, TL!

However, if the commissioner's office contacts you to put you on the payroll, get me a job as well. But, on the other hand, if they hit you with a cease and desist order; you're on your own. :wink:

TornLabrum
04-09-2007, 08:52 AM
That's funny. I just thought it was common sense, so great minds think like, TL!

However, if the commissioner's office contacts you to put you on the payroll, get me a job as well. But, on the other hand, if they hit you with a cease and desist order; you're on your own. :wink:

I'm glad to see you've got my back on this! :D:

wdelaney72
04-09-2007, 09:08 AM
MLB does have the problem in New York and Chicago that one of the teams has to open at home

This kind of mentality is why we are in this position. It's not a problem... it's a greed based decision by MLB and the networks that's backfiring on them. It's going to happen again sometime in the foreseeable future because IT'S APRIL!

If MLB is going in insist on starting the season in early Arpil, then they just simply need to schedule around the domes and warmer climates.

Soxaholic
04-09-2007, 12:55 PM
Another important point when talking of having the Sox and the Cubs in town at the same time is the employees. Many of the employees at the Cell also work at the United Center and Wrigley. Many of the employees will work Wrigley over the Cell, so it places Sportservice and the other companies in a bind for staffing.

Some say that there are too few beer vendors now in the UD. If both teams are in town and even playing a game at the same time, staffing could be a serious problem.

ewokpelts
04-09-2007, 01:15 PM
Would it really be the end of the world if the Sox and Cubs (and the other 2 team cities) played at home for 5-10 games at the same time during the season?Ligue

WisSoxFan
04-09-2007, 01:34 PM
Wouldn't common sense tell you that Seattle's only trip to Cleveland shouldn't be in April just in case. If it was a Sox or Twins series that was cancelled it wouldn't be quite the problem as both teams will travel to Cleveland a couple of more times this year. How they'll make up the Seattle series is the $64,000 question right now.

Chicken Dinner
04-09-2007, 01:50 PM
If both teams are in town and even playing a game at the same time, staffing could be a serious problem.

The few times that I've seen the Bay area , LA, Chicago, and New York teams play the same day in the same city, they are never at the same time.

Whitesox029
04-09-2007, 01:53 PM
First of all, the Sox opened on the road for at least 10 years from 1994-2004 if I remember correctly. I also can't remember the last time the Cubs opened at home. Therefore, The Sox and Cubs were both on the road to start the season for a lot of years without there ever being a problem. Also, the weather is not something that can be predicted. It can snow the week of April 7 just as easily as it can snow the week of April 1 (as we are seeing very plainly right now), so postponing the start of the season is futile. There is just as much chance of having 60 degree weather as there is of having snow in cities like Chicago and New York, whereas the normal is around 50 (definitely playable baseball weather). I do agree though, that we should not have two home series in a row to start the season, because the more time you spend here, the more likely you are to get snowed on until you get to the third week in April.

One thing that would be VERY SIMPLE to do would be to have more divisional games in April so that they are easier to make up later. One team's ONLY trip to a northern city without a dome should always be in the summer months. It's as simple as that.

comet2k
04-10-2007, 10:47 AM
I agree with the suggestions to shorten the season and don't disagree with adding doubleheaders (though two games is a really long day).

The players union and owners would disagree. If they shorten the season, the owners could rightfully ask for corresponding salary cuts -- which the players would surely resist. Since everyone really plays "money ball" these days, owners wouldn't want to schedule doubleheaders because of the revenue loss. The players also don't like doubleheaders.

Bottom line: neither is likely to happen.

BTW, during an ESPN program about Jackie Robinson, it was mentioned that opening day in 1947 was April 15, when teams played 154 games. I don't know when the regular season ended, but I would guess it was before Sept. 30. Remarkable how doubleheaders could make up for traveling by train.

Lip Man 1
04-10-2007, 01:54 PM
Ozzie is quoted today as saying that he's talked with JR on this. The story makes it sound like he wouldn't mind going back to opening up on the road for the first week or so.

Lip

ewokpelts
04-10-2007, 02:02 PM
I agree with the suggestions to shorten the season and don't disagree with adding doubleheaders (though two games is a really long day).

The players union and owners would disagree. If they shorten the season, the owners could rightfully ask for corresponding salary cuts -- which the players would surely resist. Since everyone really plays "money ball" these days, owners wouldn't want to schedule doubleheaders because of the revenue loss. The players also don't like doubleheaders.

Bottom line: neither is likely to happen.

BTW, during an ESPN program about Jackie Robinson, it was mentioned that opening day in 1947 was April 15, when teams played 154 games. I don't know when the regular season ended, but I would guess it was before Sept. 30. Remarkable how doubleheaders could make up for traveling by train.simple....day night double headers

voodoochile
04-10-2007, 02:49 PM
Would it be all that terrible if BOTH teams opened on the road in a warm weather/dome? I can see the argument for not wanting both teams home at the same time, but what's the matter with having both teams GONE at the same time?
Even the most devoted of fans don't relish these early April games up north.

SMO
:?:

Ligue

Which can be solved by having both teams play at the same time be that day or night to prevent people drinking for 8-10 hours straight and causing trouble at the second game.

Of course it might reduce attendance for the games as they will be competing for the casual fan dollar at the same time.

comet2k
04-10-2007, 06:27 PM
simple....day night double headers

It's not simple. This is from the 2003-2006 agreement between the players association and MLB (Page 4 under schedules), and I doubt it's changed:

C. Additional Scheduling Agreements

(1) Split doubleheaders shall not be scheduled in the original schedule.

Reading further, it looks like there is a limit of two split doubleheaders per season for rescheduled games with a few exceptions.

See for yourself:

http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/info/cba.jsp

Chicken Dinner
04-11-2007, 12:32 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't every cancelled game this season had a dome team involeved?

D-Rays (dome) at Yankees

Twins (dome) at Sox

Mariners (dome) at Indians

Blue Jays (dome) at Tigers

Astros (dome) at Cubs

Fenway
04-11-2007, 12:34 PM
At least have games with division rivals the first week so you can make them up easier.

Seattle not only has to make up FOUR in Cleveland now they looking at a snow out in Boston on Thursday

TomBradley72
04-11-2007, 12:42 PM
Here's my take on it. Shorten the schedule by a week by having 4 double headers over the course of a season. Make it a marketing ploy, and they'll definately make up what little revenue they would loose by having fans stay for the second game. (Using TV marketing of course.)

I've thought about this as well....I'd leverage "holiday weekends" to exploit the marketing idea even more (Memorial Day. 4th of July, Labor Day, maybe the last day of the season?)...all of MLB playing doubleheaders a few days/season...we'd need two hour highlight shows. :cool:

doublem23
04-11-2007, 12:46 PM
At least have games with division rivals the first week so you can make them up easier.

Seattle not only has to make up FOUR in Cleveland now they looking at a snow out in Boston on Thursday

For the most part they do, but that's sort of hard to do when 4 of the 6 divisions in baseball have an odd number of teams.

ramblermgr9599
04-11-2007, 10:08 PM
They should not change the scheduling. We are now in the second week of April and its cold. So opening on the road for the first series does nothing, the Cubs did that for 2 series and look its still cold. I will laugh so hard if they do a knee jerk reaction and change the schedule next year and its 70-80 in the north the first week of April and then cold cold the second week when the teams return north.

just keep it the same, this is just a bad year. I love true home openers

JB98
04-11-2007, 10:12 PM
They should not change the scheduling. We are now in the second week of April and its cold. So opening on the road for the first series does nothing, the Cubs did that for 2 series and look its still cold. I will laugh so hard if they do a knee jerk reaction and change the schedule next year and its 70-80 in the north the first week of April and then cold cold the second week when the teams return north.

just keep it the same, this is just a bad year. I love true home openers

I agree. No need for a kneejerk reaction. Yeah, the weather sucked on the last homestand, but I still went to two games and rooted for the Sox. It's part of life in Chicago and in the upper Midwest. The weather doesn't deter me from doing what I want to do.

Fenway
04-11-2007, 10:49 PM
Boston refused to move this game to 1 PM Eastern on Thursday

Very doubtful a 4 PM start will make it


Thursday...Rain and snow in the morning...Then rain with a chance of sleet in the afternoon. Precipitation May be heavy at Times in the afternoon. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Blustery and colder with highs in the upper 30s. East winds 10 to 20 mph...Increasing to 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.


http://weather.boston.com/

TornLabrum
04-11-2007, 11:10 PM
They should not change the scheduling. We are now in the second week of April and its cold. So opening on the road for the first series does nothing, the Cubs did that for 2 series and look its still cold. I will laugh so hard if they do a knee jerk reaction and change the schedule next year and its 70-80 in the north the first week of April and then cold cold the second week when the teams return north.

just keep it the same, this is just a bad year. I love true home openers

HOWEVER, if you think about it, starting in mid-April eliminates the two coldest (by average) weeks of the month. Yeah, this year was bad, but early April is almost always bad. Mid-April is statistically better.