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PAPChiSox729
04-05-2007, 05:41 PM
As much as I'm rooting for the guy to struggle, he's gotten off to a very impressive start. The line of his debut:

7.0 IP 6 H 1 R 1 ER 1 BB 10 K

Other than the solo shot by DeJesus, he was pretty dominant. And while KC isn't exactly a juggernaut, they aren't that shabby either. I still think this guy is over-hyped, but I may have to give credit were credit is due. I want to see how our Sox fare against him.

But to Daisuke and all his supporters, I say omedetoo.

oeo
04-05-2007, 05:46 PM
I'm already sick of this guy. It doesn't surprise me that he was dominant today...I said that he would be pretty damn good the first half of the season, but not so sure after that. One thing about his strikeouts is they're mostly all looking, so it means either a)He's that dominant and always will be or b)No one knows what to expect yet. People should hold off judgment on this guy, it's not uncommon for a new pitcher to dominate.

I want to see if he can go through some of the best lineups in the league after they've seen him and have a good scouting report before I anoint him as a good MLB pitcher.

Fenway
04-05-2007, 07:14 PM
I worked the game

Yes it was the Royals

but he was throwing some nasty stuff out there.

Considering the pressure he was under back in his homeland ( and believe me there had to be close to 200 from Japan covering the game ) plus the Boston media pressure he simply dazzled.

Don't take my word for it, NESN's Dennis Eckersley knows a little about pitching and he was impressed

http://www.boston.com/partners/worldnow/nesn.html?catID=80767&clipid=1346806&autoStart=true&mute=false&continuous=true

lumpyspun
04-05-2007, 07:58 PM
I caught parts of the game b/w our commercials, and it should have been 2-2 when he left the game. The second base ump blew a call on a SB attempt. The next guy for the Royals lined one to the outfield that would have scored a run. Not to mention the final strikeout in that inning was on a very questionable 3rd strike.

Fenway
04-05-2007, 08:05 PM
I caught parts of the game b/w our commercials, and it should have been 2-2 when he left the game. The second base ump blew a call on a SB attempt. The next guy for the Royals lined one to the outfield that would have scored a run. Not to mention the final strikeout in that inning was on a very questionable 3rd strike.

I winced when I saw it on my viewfinder....it was a horrific call

still he looked impressive

his next game will be a media meltdown in Japan as the next batter he faces will be

http://honaya.com/blog/media/1/20041003-ichiro.jpg

Japan may shutdown for that matchup

3AM Friday morning they were watching
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/04/05/1175809104_2147.jpg
TOKYO -- It’s after 3 a.m., but that hasn’t stopped die-hard Dice-K fans from pulling an all nighter at the Brain Buster sports bar here to watch the Red Sox ace make his regular season major league debut.
Satoshi Ishimaru and his two friends cheered and clinked glasses of vodka and tea as Daisuke Matsuzaka took the mound more than 6,000 miles away in Kansas City. These newly-minted Red Sox fans said they are looking to the 26-year-old phenomenon -- featured on nine television screens across the front of the bar -- to show just what Japan’s baseball prowess is all about.
‘‘I’m too excited to sleep. I’ve been waiting all winter for this,’’ said Mahiro Ochi, 32, of Tokyo. ‘‘We want to see Matsuzaka strike out Major League Baseball players on a fastball.’’
Dice-K’s debut with the Red Sox has dominated headlines here for months since he signed a $52 million contract to defect from Japan’s domestic baseball league to join Boston’s best. While Japanese media have traipsed every move of the Yokahama native in the United States, local television stations fanned across Tokyo to capture baseball fever in the pre-dawn hours.
‘‘This is a huge story. Everybody is so excited,’’ said Toshiyuki Arizono, producer of broadcasting station NHK’s ‘‘News Watch 9’’ program, which filmed fans at the Brain Buster bar. ‘‘It’s a bigger story than Ichiro [Suzuki] or [Hideki] Matsui ever was, especially because of how much Matsuzaka got paid.’’

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/04/05/staying_up_for_dice_k/

cwsfannick
04-05-2007, 08:23 PM
So, does anybody think if Masset had 11 k's today that it would get the same kind of hype? And I'm just considering the American media.

PAPChiSox729
04-05-2007, 08:41 PM
So, does anybody think if Masset had 11 k's today that it would get the same kind of hype? And I'm just considering the American media.

Didn't Felix Hernandez have around a 12 K performance? Considering that he is another big-hype pitcher, I really haven't heard much about it (then again I haven't seen ESPN since Sunday Night Baseball).

I can understand the buildup for Daisuke's debut; he was a superstar over there. It's the media giving this guy all the preemptive accolades that just bugs me.

WhiteSoxJunkie
04-05-2007, 10:13 PM
Didn't Felix Hernandez have around a 12 K performance? Considering that he is another big-hype pitcher, I really haven't heard much about it (then again I haven't seen ESPN since Sunday Night Baseball).


He did. I didn't even hear anything about it until about a half hour ago on Baseball Tonight.

VenturaFan23
04-06-2007, 06:25 AM
The love this guy is getting from Eastern Sports Propaganda Network right now makes me want to :puking:

There already comparing him to Pedro! Yes, Felix pitched a gem on opening day, but they don't care since he doesn't play for Boston or New York.

soxfan13
04-06-2007, 06:58 AM
So, does anybody think if Masset had 11 k's today that it would get the same kind of hype? And I'm just considering the American media.


Not even comparable.

Bucky F. Dent
04-06-2007, 07:16 AM
The Four Letter talked about him last night as if he had pitched seven dominant seasons, not seven good innings. "He's got some many different pitches......his wind up is so unorthodox....he doesn't pitch like anyone else in the league. Batters will NEVER figure him out."

If I remember correctly, they said the same thing about Hideo Nomo a few years back, because he had an unorthodox delivery, and he had so many trick pitches. And he had his moment, and then the batters and the batting coaches put together their book on Nomo, and they've been slapping him around like a red-headed step-child ever since.

Tragg
04-06-2007, 08:03 AM
I'm already sick of this guy. .
Oh come on.
Peter Gammons said he has "captured the imagination of the baseball world".

ESPN is so Boston-centric that it's comical now.

beckett21
04-06-2007, 08:06 AM
Oh come on.
Peter Gammons said he has "captured the imagination of the baseball world".

ESPN is so Boston-centric that it's comical now.

It's been comical for awhile.

hose
04-06-2007, 08:24 AM
I lasted 5 minutes w/Baseball Tonight yesterday.

It was bad enough with the Boston crap then Dusty comes on and the ask him about the Cubs pitching.:o:

CLICK

FarWestChicago
04-06-2007, 08:28 AM
Oh come on.
Peter Gammons said he has "captured the imagination of the baseball world".

ESPN is so Boston-centric that it's comical now.

It's been comical for awhile.

I lasted 5 minutes w/Baseball Tonight yesterday.

It was bad enough with the Boston crap then Dusty comes on and the ask him about the Cubs pitching.:o:

CLICK Just say NO to ESPN the Tabloid. Many of us have for years. And I guarantee you will be happier. :D:

SoxfaninLA
04-06-2007, 09:42 AM
The hype around him is positively obnoxious. That said he did have a nice performance yesterday, albeit it was against the Royals but the Royals do have a pretty decent lineup.

I am expecting Matsuzaka to look pretty impressive his first couple months over here. He has a pretty odd motion and throws a lot of different pitches, so he is going to confuse a lot of hitters the first time or two around. Once teams see him a couple times and get a lot of tape to break down players will be able to adjust. If he is still mowing them down after that, then people can tout this guy as a dominant starter and not look like they are talking from their rear.

jenn2080
04-06-2007, 09:48 AM
So, does anybody think if Masset had 11 k's today that it would get the same kind of hype? And I'm just considering the American media.


Who?

Fenway
04-06-2007, 10:13 AM
They going completly nuts back in Boston

http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/303418_frontpage.jpg


Dice-KKKKKKKKKK (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/04/06/dice_kkkkkkkkkk)

(By Dan Shaughnessy, Globe Columnist) Dice-K was Ice K. He was also 10 K. And Special K.

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Bill Naharodny
04-06-2007, 02:33 PM
The love this guy is getting from Eastern Sports Propaganda Network right now makes me want to :puking:

There already comparing him to Pedro! Yes, Felix pitched a gem on opening day, but they don't care since he doesn't play for Boston or New York.

It was like a breaking news story, with Red Sock Gammons and others at the anchor desk, breathlessly reporting on the exploits of "Dice-K." I was amazed, but not surprised, by how stupid it all was.

And, for the first time ever, I refused to read Bill Simmons on espn.com, since that article was specifically about this game.

doublem23
04-06-2007, 02:55 PM
And, for the first time ever, I refused to read Bill Simmons on espn.com, since that article was specifically about this game.

I did and I shouldn't have. He was in full condescending prick mode, per usual.

Domeshot17
04-06-2007, 03:07 PM
He will come down. Hitters will adjust. Its just the way it is. When he does we will still be seeing first half highlights. If Dice K landed in say, Colorado would this have even been a story???

He got the game handed to him by the umps (blew a big stolen base call and gave him all sorts of the plate) (well to be fair Grienke ALMOST got the same plate) and afterwards got called out by Rookie Alex Gordon who said "He doesn't have anything I had never seen before, he has one pitch that drops".

The umps bought into the hype of this game just like the Media, and served it up on a silver platter.

TheVulture
04-06-2007, 03:14 PM
If Matsuzaka's success leads to more Japanese players in MLB, I'm all for it.

VenturaFan23
04-06-2007, 05:32 PM
He will come down. Hitters will adjust. Its just the way it is. When he does we will still be seeing first half highlights. If Dice K landed in say, Colorado would this have even been a story???

He got the game handed to him by the umps (blew a big stolen base call and gave him all sorts of the plate) (well to be fair Grienke ALMOST got the same plate) and afterwards got called out by Rookie Alex Gordon who said "He doesn't have anything I had never seen before, he has one pitch that drops".

The umps bought into the hype of this game just like the Media, and served it up on a silver platter.

Hm, I seem to remember David Justice saying that about Hideki Irabu when he made his debut and look how well that turned out :cool:

doublem23
04-06-2007, 05:43 PM
Hm, I seem to remember David Justice saying that about Hideki Irabu when he made his debut and look how well that turned out :cool:

Hideki's debut line looks sort of familiar, too.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA199707100.shtml