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gobears1987
03-21-2007, 12:10 PM
Kenny has a really tough dilema to deal with this off-season. He has to figure out who is going to the 3rd baseman for this franchise in the future.

I personally can't easily come up with an answer myself so I decided to see what everyone else thinks about the future.

Now to ask the question? Who is our 3rd baseman in 2008 and beyond?

Both men have advantages and some disadvantages. To tell the truth, I'm leaning on Crede in this one.

CREDE

ADVANTAGES:
He is a developed player who has proven he can succeed in the Majors.
His bat is among the top 3 of all 3rd baseman in MLB.
He has the best glove of any 3rd baseman in MLB
Clutch!

DISADVANTAGES:
He will demand a large salary (I hope this isn't made an issue by the front office)
He is older than Fields
His back hasn't been a major issue thus far, but it might prove to be one in the future
Borass is his agent

FIELDS

ADVANTAGES:
He is young
He is cheap
He is doing well in the minors and has done well in ST
No known health issues
He has a good glove

DISADVANTAGES:
He hasn't had enough MLB at bats for us to reach any conclusion on his play at the big league level
While he has a good glove, he still isn't as good as suck em up Joe
While there is nothing to suggest this will happen to Fields, it must be remembered that the best AAA prospects sometimes end up being busts.

Dan Mega
03-21-2007, 12:13 PM
His bat is among the top 3 of all 3rd baseman in MLB.


I can't agree with this when guys like Rolen, Chavez, A-Rod, Wright, Ramirez, and Cabrera have all consistently hit better than Crede the last few years.

gobears1987
03-21-2007, 12:16 PM
I can't agree with this when guys like Rolen, Chavez, A-Rod, Wright, Ramirez, and Cabrera have all consistently hit better than Crede the last few years.
Chavez is crap. Rolen faces weak NL pitching. He faces the Flubs, Pirates, and Brewers with every other start. I'd like to see Crede's numbers if every other start wasn't against the best pitchers in baseball.

goon
03-21-2007, 12:36 PM
I can't agree with this when guys like Rolen, Chavez, A-Rod, Wright, Ramirez, and Cabrera have all consistently hit better than Crede the last few years.

I'll give you Rodriguez, maybe Wright too, no Chavez or Rolen and Cabrera, who I would take over all of them, but has bounced back and forth between 3B and LF. Joe is probably the one of the top 2 all-around 3rd baseman in the league, I can't think of anyone who matches his bat AND glove.

gobears1987
03-21-2007, 12:52 PM
I'll give you Rodriguez, maybe Wright too, no Chavez or Rolen and Cabrera, who I would take over all of them, but has bounced back and forth between 3B and LF. Joe is probably the one of the top 2 all-around 3rd baseman in the league, I can't think of anyone who matches his bat AND glove.
Not only that, but he's the most clutch player in Major League Baseball.

ode to veeck
03-21-2007, 01:10 PM
Chavez was the pits with RISP last year, I can't believe Ozzie walked him in a couple of key game situations last August when he could have pitched to him. Crede's been a clutch hitter his whole career, including with it all on the line in the playoffs. I'll put his glove up against any one in either league.

Domeshot17
03-21-2007, 01:15 PM
I love Crede, so don't take this post the wrong way, but lets be real and stop being Homers.

David Wright has a chance to be one of the top 5 players in the game, not just his position. He is earlier 20's, and what took Crede years to do he did in his Rookie Year. Wright may be the 3b version of Cal Ripken when its all said. Truly a special player, and seems to be capable of being an ambassador of the game

Alex Rodriguez IS one of the top 5 players in the game. Granted he is cracking under NY pressure, but There is only 1 hitter who gives you better then Arod every year, Pujols. If the Yankees would have done the CORRECT thing years ago, and moved Jeter to CF and Arod to SS, none of this would be going on.

Miguel Cabrera is what, 23, gives you .330 30 110 every year. He bounced around 3b and LF but played every game he started at 3b last year (with the exception I believe of 1 or 2 games DHing in interleague). Cabrera would be one of the first 4 players taken to if you could start a franchise with one guy.

Joe Crede is hometown hero, a rockstar, but he has put together 1 complete season that was solid. For as clutch as he is (and granted this may have been more about his back then he will admit) he had a TERRRRRRIIBBBLLEEE stretch run to finish last year, when we were in a race for a playoff spot. Crede seemed to flip a switch and has had a solid year and half. But he is still fairly inconsistent at the plate. Right now he is more compariable to Troy Glaus or Aramis in terms of 3b. Flashes of a special player, but probably falling into the 2nd tier of 3b, on the outside cusp of the elite 3-5.

Now, if Crede puts together 3 or 4 more years in a row like last year, you may call him a modern day Scott Rolen (and before I hear more crap about Rolen and the weak central, the guy has done it his entire career, in Philly against maybe the best staff ever with the Smoltz Maddux Glavine and co. the guy is still a special player in the twilight of his career).

sox1970
03-21-2007, 01:22 PM
Do I want the Sox to keep Crede? Yes.
Do I think they will? No.
Do I think Fields will be every bit as good as Crede? Yes, I do.

Craig Grebeck
03-21-2007, 01:25 PM
In what world is Joe Crede the third best hitting third baseman in the game? Someone pinch me. These are the stats from Crede's career year:

With a minimum of 500 PA, 3rd baseman ranked by OBP:
Joe Crede ranked 17th
With a minimum of 500 PA, 3rd baseman ranked by SLG:
Joe Crede ranked 8th
With a minimum of 500 PA, 3rd baseman ranked by OPS:
Joe Crede ranked 9th

Pretty good, but he's certainly not top three.

I'll take Fields. Crede has some pretty nasty back problems. I like Joe, but when we have a cheap, viable alternative in AAA, I see no harm in dealing Joe after this season.

soxinem1
03-21-2007, 01:31 PM
Crede will be out of the organization by 2009, this is almost guaranteed. And I've always liked Crede, even when he had so-so numbers.

Remember KW's remarks after Konerko re-signed last year. He stated clearly that they will never be caught in the situation like that again, having no alternative. I cannot see Crede getting over $10 million per year from the White Sox, but several teams will give it to him.

With that reality, Fields will have to be developed. And if by chance the White Sox fall out of contention by August this year, Crede will be among the first to be traded and Fields put in at 3B.

esbrechtel
03-21-2007, 08:07 PM
I like to see Fields' D is getting better however I still don't think it holds a candle to Joe's. You really can't teach that he is truly a natural.....I think if the Sox could sign Crede long term they could get some decent arms for Fields.....

santo=dorf
03-21-2007, 08:40 PM
Chavez is crap. Rolen faces weak NL pitching. He faces the Flubs, Pirates, and Brewers with every other start. I'd like to see Crede's numbers if every other start wasn't against the best pitchers in baseball.
Of 22 qualified MLB third basemen, Crede was 20th in OBP. His slugging% was pretty good for once, but to say he is a top 3 offensive third baseman in the game..............

:hawk
"STRETCH!"

If Joe Crede played for the Phils, it's very possible he'd be the worst offensive third baseman in the NL East. It's not a knock towards Joe, but I find him to be extremely overrated by Sox fans.

What if one thinks neither Fields or Crede is the long term answer at third?


Not only that, but he's the most clutch player in Major League Baseball.
Proof. Now. Please.

Did you go through all 600+ hitters in the MLB and look at their stats with RISP? Or late inning stats?
I doubt it.

White Sox Randy
03-21-2007, 09:04 PM
It's pretty simple really.

Crede is a Boras client. Therefore, he leaves after the 2008 season for free agency - bye bye - gone.

The Sox clearly should trade him for the best offer after this season.

Fields is the 2008 third baseman and beyond.

Bucky F. Dent
03-21-2007, 09:24 PM
I voted for Fields simply because I think that the bad back is going to catch up with Crede.

goon
03-21-2007, 11:02 PM
Chavez was the pits with RISP last year, I can't believe Ozzie walked him in a couple of key game situations last August when he could have pitched to him. Crede's been a clutch hitter his whole career, including with it all on the line in the playoffs. I'll put his glove up against any one in either league.


Yeah, I think that is the more realistic argument, take Joe's game as a whole into consideration. To say that Joe is one of the top 3 hitting 3rd basemen in the league is being more than generous, however, there aren't too many guys in the league that can hang with Joe in the field and in the batter's box. Rolen and Zimmerman maybe, but they are in a different league, so it's a bit more difficult to compare. Guys like Wright, Rodriguez, Atkins, Ramirez seem to excel offensively, while their gloves are lacking (obviously A-Rod just had a terrible season defensively).

That being said, I'd take Joe's bat in a clutch situation over most 3rd baseman that I've seen, at least in our division, in the AL. Joe also ranked 4th in homeruns among third baseman, which nobody mentioned for some reason. This was Joe's breakout season offensively, it should be interesting to see what kind of numbers he will put up this season.

soxinem1
03-22-2007, 12:31 AM
I like to see Fields' D is getting better however I still don't think it holds a candle to Joe's. ....

Not so fast. I remember when both Robin Ventura and Joe Crede were both minor leaguers they were not given credit for having any defensive talent. Scouts and supposed talent-evaluators knocked them for lack of foot speed, said Ventura was only a temporary 3B until he went to 1B, then said Crede could never match Ventura defensively.

Time will only tell........................

viagracat
03-22-2007, 08:42 PM
I still think Fields is a potential left fielder who may be the answer if Pods can't get it back.

Crede is among our most clutch players and arguably the most improved player on the team in the past couple years. So yes, he will ask for the big bank next year, and rightfully so. And I think for that reason, the Sox will work it out with him, even with Boras as his agent. That leaves Fields out at third unless, like I said, an OF position opens up, which is possible.

I'm pulling for both Crede and Podsednik to be long-term, productive players for the Sox, which means Fields, who by all accounts is a great guy who works hard, will be expendable. That's rough, but also a nice problem to have if it comes to pass.

esbrechtel
03-22-2007, 09:01 PM
I thought the Sox gave up on the Fields-OF experiment.....

goon
03-22-2007, 09:51 PM
I thought the Sox gave up on the Fields-OF experiment.....


Really? Where did you hear that?