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delben91
03-14-2007, 07:10 PM
I see from the box score that he hit a home run this afternoon and was promptly taken out. What happened, did he get hurt? If so, any word on the injury?

I wouldn't mind seeing him as the 25th man on the roster if Pods starts the year on the DL.

drewcifer
03-14-2007, 07:14 PM
I see from the box score that he hit a home run this afternoon and was promptly taken out. What happened, did he get hurt? If so, any word on the injury?



Felt some kind of "twinge" in his calf when he was rounding bases. All I've heard so far.

ChiTownTrojan
03-14-2007, 07:18 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070314&content_id=1843200&vkey=spt2007gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

SBSoxFan
03-14-2007, 08:24 PM
I saw it on TV. He hit a 2 out, 3-run bomb off Capuano in the bottom of the first, left the box fine, but then pulled up just past first base. At one point he turned to the bench, and pointed to his calf. The trainer came out and talked to him for awhile, and then Perez left the field, didn't even try to run out his own homer. Andy Gonzalez pinch ran for him, and promptly got a run scored to his credit! While listening on the radio later, I heard Farmer say he had a strained calf.

I recall Perez took Buehrle deep opening day last year. The way this guy hits lefties, and with all the tough lefties in the division, he sure would be an asset. However, can you afford to have a right-hand, pinch hitting specialist taking up a roster spot? And what are you gonna do opening day against CC, bench Thome and DH Perez?

DickAllen72
03-14-2007, 08:30 PM
I recall Perez took Buehrle deep opening day last year. The way this guy hits lefties, and with all the tough lefties in the division, he sure would be an asset. However, can you afford to have a right-hand, pinch hitting specialist taking up a roster spot? And what are you gonna do opening day against CC, bench Thome and DH Perez?

I have no problem with Perez making the roster if and only if he is used at DH in place of Thome against lefties that Thome doesn't hit well. That would be his greatest value. Otherwise, he would not be useful enough to justify keeping around as merely a RH pinch hitter.

JB98
03-14-2007, 08:47 PM
I have no problem with Perez making the roster if and only if he is used at DH in place of Thome against lefties that Thome doesn't hit well. That would be his greatest value. Otherwise, he would not be useful enough to justify keeping around as merely a RH pinch hitter.

I think Perez was signed to DH against certain lefties. This spring, he is showing that he can still hit lefties, and I think he has a decent shot to make the club.

ilsox7
03-14-2007, 09:13 PM
I think Perez was signed to DH against certain lefties. This spring, he is showing that he can still hit lefties, and I think he has a decent shot to make the club.

He also plays the corner OF spots, right? Mack may be traded to make room for him, as Ozuna, Alex, Erstad, and Perez could make him the odd man out.

JB98
03-14-2007, 09:28 PM
He also plays the corner OF spots, right? Mack may be traded to make room for him, as Ozuna, Alex, Erstad, and Perez could make him the odd man out.

He has played corner OF spots during his career, but not very well. I'm very skeptical that he can play there effectively at his advancing age. I know Mack gets ridiculed around here quite a bit, but I consider him to be a superior outfielder when compared to Perez. Yes, I'm serious.

But yeah, you're right. We're not going to carry a six-man bench. Frankly, though, I think the competition for the last spot is among Anderson, Perez and Terrero. Mack's spot would be safe under that scenario. If Anderson doesn't win a starting job, he goes to AAA, Erstad becomes a starter and Perez quite likely gets the final spot over Terrero.

ilsox7
03-14-2007, 09:30 PM
He has played corner OF spots during his career, but not very well. I'm very skeptical that he can play there effectively at his advancing age. I know Mack gets ridiculed around here quite a bit, but I consider him to be a superior outfielder when compared to Perez. Yes, I'm serious.

But yeah, you're right. We're not going to carry a six-man bench. Frankly, though, I think the competition for the last spot is among Anderson, Perez and Terrero. Mack's spot would be safe under that scenario. If Anderson doesn't win a starting job, he goes to AAA, Erstad becomes a starter and Perez quite likely gets the final spot over Terrero.

Makes sense. I like Mack, but there is a chance his value to us will be limited. With the LHP in the ALC, a guy like Perez could win us a few ballgames. These next few weeks should be exciting!

Soxfanspcu11
03-14-2007, 09:31 PM
He also plays the corner OF spots, right? Mack may be traded to make room for him, as Ozuna, Alex, Erstad, and Perez could make him the odd man out.

Loved the Mackowiak deal when it was made last year. I loved the options that he brought to the table as a utility player.

I quickly fell out of love with the deal though after watching Mack in center last year.

I know that it is wrong for Mack to get the blame for his problems in center, he never wanted to be out there in the first place, but I just cant get past the fact that he did cost us many games, and possibly a playoff spot with his terrible defense.

I truly believe that Perez would benefit the team more than Rob at this point.

Sorry Rob, I know that we went to the same high school, but I just don't think its working. (I feel like I am breaking up with a girlfriend. lol).

JB98
03-14-2007, 09:33 PM
Makes sense. I like Mack, but there is a chance his value to us will be limited. With the LHP in the ALC, a guy like Perez could win us a few ballgames. These next few weeks should be exciting!

Yeah, the LHP in the division is what makes Perez intriguing. We do need a left-handed pinch-hitter though, too, and I see Mack in that role now that Gload has been dealt. I suppose Cintron could take that spot, but I'm not real keen on having our fifth infielder used as the primary left-handed pinch-hitter. We need Alex for defensive purposes off the bench more than anything.

ChiTownTrojan
03-14-2007, 09:35 PM
He has played corner OF spots during his career, but not very well. I'm very skeptical that he can play there effectively at his advancing age. I know Mack gets ridiculed around here quite a bit, but I consider him to be a superior outfielder when compared to Perez. Yes, I'm serious.

But yeah, you're right. We're not going to carry a six-man bench. Frankly, though, I think the competition for the last spot is among Anderson, Perez and Terrero. Mack's spot would be safe under that scenario. If Anderson doesn't win a starting job, he goes to AAA, Erstad becomes a starter and Perez quite likely gets the final spot over Terrero.
Mack got ridiculed when he was in there at CF. That's one position on the field he shouldn't go near, and won't this year (according to Ozzie).

Do you expect Erstad to play 162 games in CF? That's what your scenario suggests - there is no backup in CF. If Anderson doesn't make the team (which I think is unlikely), then we would need to have Terrero up there just to give Erstad a brake occasionally.

BTW, there is room on the roster for Mack, Anderson or Terrero, and Perez if Pods starts the season on the DL or on some rehab assignment in Charlotte or something.

JB98
03-14-2007, 09:43 PM
Mack got ridiculed when he was in there at CF. That's one position on the field he shouldn't go near, and won't this year (according to Ozzie).

Do you expect Erstad to play 162 games in CF? That's what your scenario suggests - there is no backup in CF. If Anderson doesn't make the team (which I think is unlikely), then we would need to have Terrero up there just to give Erstad a brake occasionally.

BTW, there is room on the roster for Mack, Anderson or Terrero, and Perez if Pods starts the season on the DL or on some rehab assignment in Charlotte or something.

Well, sure. But Pods is going to come back eventually, and then what do you do? Pods was our backup CF in 2005. If he's healthy, I don't have a problem putting him in that spot again.

Ozzie has said that BA isn't going to be the backup CF. If he intends to play Erstad every day, I think BA is going to the minors.

Soxfanspcu11
03-14-2007, 09:48 PM
Mack got ridiculed when he was in there at CF. That's one position on the field he shouldn't go near, and won't this year (according to Ozzie).

I heard Ozzie say this as well, but I found it slightly disturbing that like a day or 2 after he said it, Mack WAS in center for a ST game. I'm not sure if it was the "A" or "B" team, but still.

I mean, if Ozzie does FINALLY understand the error of his ways in putting a corner INFIELDER in center, then why did he put him back out there? Especially after making those comments?? Did he think that maybe Rob had suddenly learned how to play center? Or did he just plum forget?? :?:

Who knows, but I really hope that Ozzie has finally understood that Rob is NOT a centerfielder. I HOPE! I PRAY!

UserNameBlank
03-14-2007, 09:54 PM
I don't like opening up a spot on the roster for Perez over Mack because Mack is our best LH pinch hitter, and even though there are a lot of tough lefties in the division, the Sox are still going to be facing more righties on the whole. If you take Mack off the team, Erstad becomes our primary LH pinch hitter on days when AJ is starting, and with the game on the line I'd much rather have Mack up there with some power than Erstad at the plate trying to run out an infield single or hit some little blooper somewhere.

With Erstad, Pods, Ozuna, and Mack all looking to get a good share of their playing time in LF, it just doesn't make sense to add another 1B/LF to the roster without removing another OF. Since Hall and Cintron are locks, and Erstad is our backup CF, the only way it makes sense to me to add Eduardo to the 25 man is if the Sox replace Ozuna or Pods, but those guys mean too much to the team.

**Edit: Now, if the Sox were to trade for leadoff hitter who can play the OF, both Pods and Ozuna would be expendable while the Sox could add some pop to their bench with Perez.

ilsox7
03-14-2007, 09:55 PM
I don't like opening up a spot on the roster for Perez over Mack because Mack is our best LH pinch hitter, and even though there are a lot of tough lefties in the division, the Sox are still going to be facing more righties on the whole. If you take Mack off the team, Erstad becomes our primary LH pinch hitter on days when AJ is starting, and with the game on the line I'd much rather have Mack up there with some power than Erstad at the plate trying to run out an infield single or hit some little blooper somewhere.

With Erstad, Pods, Ozuna, and Mack all looking to get a good share of their playing time in LF, it just doesn't make sense to add another 1B/LF to the roster without removing another OF. Since Hall and Cintron are locks, and Erstad is our backup CF, the only way it makes sense to me to add Eduardo to the 25 man is if the Sox replace Ozuna or Pods, but those guys mean too much to the team.

If Perez is DH-ing, that leaves Thome as a pretty decent option off the bench to pinch hit.

UserNameBlank
03-14-2007, 10:02 PM
If Perez is DH-ing, that leaves Thome as a pretty decent option off the bench to pinch hit.

I know Ozzie has said he wants to rest Thome more this year, but I'll believe that when I see it. I don't care if Jim is 0-for-1,000,000 against a certain pitcher, I want him in the starting lineup. That said, on days when Thome is starting, which is probably 130 games at least, we wouldn't have a respectable LH pinch hitter.

ilsox7
03-14-2007, 10:04 PM
I know Ozzie has said he wants to rest Thome more this year, but I'll believe that when I see it. I don't care if Jim is 0-for-1,000,000 against a certain pitcher, I want him in the starting lineup. That said, on days when Thome is starting, which is probably 130 games at least, we wouldn't have a respectable LH pinch hitter.

We'd still have Cintron, who is a good left-handed stick. I am not trying to say we need to trade Mack, I am just saying that it is a possible outcome if Perez plays his way onto the team. And I think the Sox could absorb trading him.

JB98
03-14-2007, 10:06 PM
I know Ozzie has said he wants to rest Thome more this year, but I'll believe that when I see it. I don't care if Jim is 0-for-1,000,000 against a certain pitcher, I want him in the starting lineup. That said, on days when Thome is starting, which is probably 130 games at least, we wouldn't have a respectable LH pinch hitter.

I think it's more a concern of Jim's body breaking down over the long haul than it is a concern about individual matchups. Jim is 36 years old, and he'll be 37 in August. He struggled mightily with assorted injuries the second half of last season, and it hurt our club.

Use Perez to spot Jim a few days here and there the first half of the season, and I think we'll see a healthier, more productive Thome for the stretch drive this year. At least, that's the theory and the hope.

ChiTownTrojan
03-14-2007, 10:06 PM
Well, sure. But Pods is going to come back eventually, and then what do you do? Pods was our backup CF in 2005. If he's healthy, I don't have a problem putting him in that spot again.

Ozzie has said that BA isn't going to be the backup CF. If he intends to play Erstad every day, I think BA is going to the minors.
Just because something worked in 2005 doesn't mean it's the best idea. If that was the case Carl Everett would still be our DH.

JB98
03-14-2007, 10:08 PM
Just because something worked in 2005 doesn't mean it's the best idea. If that was the case Carl Everett would still be our DH.

If the biggest concern is who the damn backup CF is, we're sitting pretty. Who says Erstad can't give us 140 games out there? If he gets hurt, you call up BA.

I think a healthy Pods can give us 20-25 starts in CF.

drewcifer
03-14-2007, 10:09 PM
I know Ozzie has said he wants to rest Thome more this year, but I'll believe that when I see it. I don't care if Jim is 0-for-1,000,000 against a certain pitcher, I want him in the starting lineup. That said, on days when Thome is starting, which is probably 130 games at least, we wouldn't have a respectable LH pinch hitter.

Rogowski is a leftie and can play 1st (prolly better than Jim). Might make more sense for him to have a spot than 3 guys fighting for LF when you have a speedster in Owens (no worse defensively than Ozuna), Erstad who can help/rest between BA/Pods starts, and Rogo can still do "Gload" duty for Paulie if/when not DH filling in for Jim.

Save the rest of the room for pitching...

JB98
03-14-2007, 10:12 PM
Rogowski is a leftie and can play 1st (prolly better than Jim). Might make more sense for him to have a spot than 3 guys fighting for LF when you have a speedster in Owens (no worse defensively than Ozuna), Erstad who can help/rest between BA/Pods starts, and Rogo can still do "Gload" duty for Paulie if/when not DH filling in for Jim.

Save the rest of the room for pitching...

Rogowski has already been optioned back to the minors, IIRC. He's not a consideration in this discussion.

drewcifer
03-14-2007, 10:17 PM
Rogowski has already been optioned back to the minors, IIRC. He's not a consideration in this discussion.

No kidding? We just saw him all past weekend and everyone seemed high on him...

*Edit - I see. Today.

tick53
03-14-2007, 10:25 PM
I hate the Cactus League. Relics like Perez hit a couple homers in the Arizona heat and next thing you know, they're northbound. I hope they decide to stay with Mack. Another reason I hate Cactus League is for the pitching. The state of Florida is more condusive to Chicago summers. Haeger may have a great breaking ball that never breaks so he gets relegated to the minors. The other pitchers can't get in any kind of groove either. The games are always high scoring and pitchers suffer. I wish they could return to Florida.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

ilsox7
03-14-2007, 10:28 PM
I hate the Cactus League. Relics like Perez hit a couple homers in the Arizona heat and next thing you know, they're northbound. I hope they decide to stay with Mack. Another reason I hate Cactus League is for the pitching. The state of Florida is more condusive to Chicago summers. Haeger may have a great breaking ball that never breaks so he gets relegated to the minors. The other pitchers can't get in any kind of groove either. The games are always high scoring and pitchers suffer. I wish they could return to Florida.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.




Relic or not, Perez still has had some pop in his bat over the last few years. Mostly, we're just throwing around ideas as it is only March 14 and a lot of us are sick of the 5th starter thing.

UserNameBlank
03-14-2007, 10:29 PM
I think it's more a concern of Jim's body breaking down over the long haul than it is a concern about individual matchups. Jim is 36 years old, and he'll be 37 in August. He struggled mightily with assorted injuries the second half of last season, and it hurt our club.

Use Perez to spot Jim a few days here and there the first half of the season, and I think we'll see a healthier, more productive Thome for the stretch drive this year. At least, that's the theory and the hope.

You make a good point there, so I will go again to Pods/Erstad situation. One of these guys is not going to get the playing time he needs if he performs well. If Pods rebounds and puts up an '05-like start while Erstad hits .300 and plays a good CF, both of these guys are going to need to be inserted into the everyday lineup. If that happens then either the Sox have to send down Brian and maybe bring up Terrero for a platoon type CF situation, or trade someone. I don't think both of them will fail, but if they do then they are both expendable.

The glut of OF's the Sox have makes things hard for Eduardo to make the team, but I do think he would be an important addition to the bench all around. I hope that at the very least the Sox can hang onto Eduardo as part of a minor league deal until they decide what to do with all of these OF's and then bring him up.

UserNameBlank
03-14-2007, 10:33 PM
I hate the Cactus League. Relics like Perez hit a couple homers in the Arizona heat and next thing you know, they're northbound. I hope they decide to stay with Mack. Another reason I hate Cactus League is for the pitching. The state of Florida is more condusive to Chicago summers. Haeger may have a great breaking ball that never breaks so he gets relegated to the minors. The other pitchers can't get in any kind of groove either. The games are always high scoring and pitchers suffer. I wish they could return to Florida.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.



Eduardo had an outstanding first half with Cleveland last year and hurt the Sox. When he was traded to Seattle and given less playing time he struggled, but that is not uncommon. He still has uses as a pinch hitter and if he were to be our PH would immediately become our best option against LHP.

drewcifer
03-14-2007, 10:33 PM
I hate the Cactus League. Relics like Perez hit a couple homers in the Arizona heat and next thing you know, they're northbound. I hope they decide to stay with Mack. Another reason I hate Cactus League is for the pitching. The state of Florida is more condusive to Chicago summers. Haeger may have a great breaking ball that never breaks so he gets relegated to the minors. The other pitchers can't get in any kind of groove either. The games are always high scoring and pitchers suffer. I wish they could return to Florida.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.




Everyone relegated to Spring Training in that league knows this (except those that look at stats/scores).

It is almost perceived as an advantage. A fooled batter is a fooled batter - Florida or Arizona, makes no difference.

Bone
03-14-2007, 10:55 PM
I think there is room for Perez and Mac. The Sox don't need alot of pitchers the beginning of the season.

AJ Hellraiser
03-15-2007, 01:39 AM
Yeah, the LHP in the division is what makes Perez intriguing. We do need a left-handed pinch-hitter though, too, and I see Mack in that role now that Gload has been dealt. I suppose Cintron could take that spot, but I'm not real keen on having our fifth infielder used as the primary left-handed pinch-hitter. We need Alex for defensive purposes off the bench more than anything.

Alex for defensive purposes? Where exactly is he an upgrade defensively? Not at 3B over the gold-glove caliber Crede... Not at SS over Uribe, whose defense is the sole reason he still has a job in the majors... not over Iguchi, one of the best fielding 2B in the AL... Alex has never been known for defense, as a matter of fact, it's probably the reason he isn't starting somewhere right now...

ilsox7
03-15-2007, 03:21 AM
Alex for defensive purposes? Where exactly is he an upgrade defensively? Not at 3B over the gold-glove caliber Crede... Not at SS over Uribe, whose defense is the sole reason he still has a job in the majors... not over Iguchi, one of the best fielding 2B in the AL... Alex has never been known for defense, as a matter of fact, it's probably the reason he isn't starting somewhere right now...

No one else on the team can back-up SS, that's most likely what he meant.

The Immigrant
03-15-2007, 06:54 AM
No one else on the team can back-up SS, that's most likely what he meant.

Yup, and I'm a little hesitant to go into the season with El Gordo as the only option at SS.

HotelWhiteSox
03-15-2007, 02:06 PM
Our announcers love Perez. I was bored one night and listened to the opening night radio telecast from last year and Farmer and Singleton were raving about him when he was on the Indians

TomBradley72
03-15-2007, 02:25 PM
I don't like opening up a spot on the roster for Perez over Mack because Mack is our best LH pinch hitter, and even though there are a lot of tough lefties in the division, the Sox are still going to be facing more righties on the whole. If you take Mack off the team, Erstad becomes our primary LH pinch hitter on days when AJ is starting.


In this scenario...who would Mack be pinch hitting for? Dye? Crede? Uribe? Konerko? Iguchi? Seems like a pretty rare set of circumstances that would have us leaning on Mack as a late inning pinch hitter (other than interleague play). Much more likely that we would need Perez to pinch hit/platoon for AJ/Pods/Erstad/Thome against tough lefties. Mack belongs in the NL..where you need guys like him due to pinch hitting for pitchers, double switches, etc.

russ99
03-15-2007, 04:28 PM
I don't like opening up a spot on the roster for Perez over Mack because Mack is our best LH pinch hitter, and even though there are a lot of tough lefties in the division, the Sox are still going to be facing more righties on the whole. If you take Mack off the team, Erstad becomes our primary LH pinch hitter on days when AJ is starting, and with the game on the line I'd much rather have Mack up there with some power than Erstad at the plate trying to run out an infield single or hit some little blooper somewhere.

With Erstad, Pods, Ozuna, and Mack all looking to get a good share of their playing time in LF, it just doesn't make sense to add another 1B/LF to the roster without removing another OF. Since Hall and Cintron are locks, and Erstad is our backup CF, the only way it makes sense to me to add Eduardo to the 25 man is if the Sox replace Ozuna or Pods, but those guys mean too much to the team.

**Edit: Now, if the Sox were to trade for leadoff hitter who can play the OF, both Pods and Ozuna would be expendable while the Sox could add some pop to their bench with Perez.

While your argument is quite well thought out, I can't see Perez winning a job over Ozuna or especially Pods, considering what he brings to the table when healthy.

If Perez makes the roster, I have a feeling it will be at the expense of Anderson. With Perez getting injured, (not sure how severely) it could let the Sox postpone the decision and put Perez on the DL to start the season, unless he's out of contract.

DickAllen72
03-15-2007, 04:33 PM
If Perez makes the roster, I have a feeling it will be at the expense of Anderson.

The only problem with that is then the Sox don't have a backup CFer.

If Pods is healthy, the only way I see Perez on the roster would be at Mackowiak's expense. At least that would make the most sense.

UserNameBlank
03-15-2007, 08:16 PM
In this scenario...who would Mack be pinch hitting for? Dye? Crede? Uribe? Konerko? Iguchi? Seems like a pretty rare set of circumstances that would have us leaning on Mack as a late inning pinch hitter (other than interleague play). Much more likely that we would need Perez to pinch hit/platoon for AJ/Pods/Erstad/Thome against tough lefties. Mack belongs in the NL..where you need guys like him due to pinch hitting for pitchers, double switches, etc.

How many times did we see Mack in the 9th last year? I didn't think it was a rare circumstance at all.

Depending on the situation, he could pinch hit for anyone not named Thome, Konerko, Dye, or Crede.

tick53
03-16-2007, 10:51 AM
Everyone relegated to Spring Training in that league knows this (except those that look at stats/scores).

It is almost perceived as an advantage. A fooled batter is a fooled batter - Florida or Arizona, makes no difference.

I just don't want to see Mack left behind.

TomBradley72
03-16-2007, 11:31 AM
How many times did we see Mack in the 9th last year? I didn't think it was a rare circumstance at all.

Depending on the situation, he could pinch hit for anyone not named Thome, Konerko, Dye, or Crede.

So that leaves us with Iguchi.

We should keep in mind that in 2006 Mack had a total of 255 ABs...almost all from playing the OF...Erstad is going to take away at least half (if not more) of those ABs in 2007. Mack's role in 2007 will start to look alot like Gload's role in 2006.

White Sox Randy
03-16-2007, 11:35 AM
Mack. delivered last year. The guy never claimed to be a CFer. That was Ozzie's fault.

The problem is that neither Dye nor Pods can play CF. Therefore, the 4th OFer must be able to play CF. That leaves out Mack.

So, he becomes the 5th outfielder and reserve infielder. But, the Sox must keep Cintron to backup SS and they insist on keeping Ozuna for offensive reasons.

So, if they want to keep Perez or some other power hitting righty off the bench (which they do need),then Mack. becomes the most expendable.