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WhiteSoxFan84
03-14-2007, 02:49 AM
Pos - Player: ..............BA, HR, RBI, R, SB
C - A.J. Pierzynski......: .282, 16, 64, 61, 1
1B - Paul Konerko.......: .300, 37, 110, 95, 1
2B - Tadahito Iguchi...: .280, 17, 70, 91, 13
SS - Juan Uribe..........: .247, 21, 76, 62, 3
3B - Joe Crede...........: .274, 29, 95, 74, 0
LF - Scott Podsednik...: .266, 3, 39, 85, 40
CF - Brian Anderson....: .271, 11, 34, 40, 3
RF - Jermaine Dye......: .293, 36, 102, 91, 8
DH - Jim Thome.........: .272, 37, 100, 96, 0
C - Toby Hall............: .265, 7, 19, 11, 0
3B - Josh Fields.........: .256, 6, 19, 23, 4
INF - Alex Cintron......: .278, 5, 42, 36, 7
OF - Darin Erstad.......: .245, 1, 19, 27, 4
OF - Rob Mackowiak...: .279, 6, 32, 36, 6
OF - Ryan Sweeney....: .263, 5, 23, 26, 2

Pos - Player...............: W, ERA..., K, WHIP
SP - Jose Contreras....: 14. 4.29, 142, 1.29
SP - Jon Garland........: 17, 4.32, 113, 1.32
SP - Mark Buehrle.......: 14, 4.35, 119, 1.35
SP - Javier Vazquez....: 14, 4.39, 181, 1.28
SP - Gavin Floyd..........: 1, 5.00, 17, 1.52
SP - John Danks..........: 1, 5.24, 43, 4.53
SP - Lance Broadway....: 1, 6.35, 18, 1.66

Pos - Player................: W, SV, ERA, K, WHIP
RP - Bobby Jenks.........: 2, 40, 3.69, 75, 1.36
RP - Matt MacDougal....: 2, 4, 2.60, 31, 1.22
RP - Matt Thornton......: 4, 2, 3.60, 51, 1.33
RP - Nick Masset..........: 0, 0, 4.74, 15, 1.53
RP - Andrew Sisco........: 1, 1, 6.02, 58, 1.72
RP - David Aardsma......: 2, 0, 3.53, 57, 1.27
RP - Boone Logan.........: 1, 0, 4.50, 41, 1.45
RP - Charlie Haeger.......: 3, 1, 5.09, 71, 1.58

HotelWhiteSox
03-14-2007, 03:56 AM
off topic but, I did a espn draft the other night, I regret it now, there was a max of 10 teams and way too little roster spots. The entire Sox draft went undrafted. Now I know I can't take this thing seriously. And I think ESPN ranked Rich Hill over most of them :\

Huisj
03-14-2007, 09:01 AM
Matt McDougal?

So they "think" the 5th starter spot is good for three wins total between everyone given a shot?

And Brian Anderson will hit .271? Quick, go tell Ozzie so he remembers to put him in the lineup!

Also rather funny how the top four starting pitchers all have almost identical ERAs.

And how about Danks!! His whip is 4.5, and yet he manages an ERA just over 5! Talk about working out of jams!

skottyj242
03-14-2007, 09:20 AM
We're only going to win 77 games?

Dan Mega
03-14-2007, 09:31 AM
We're only going to win 77 games?

I was just thinking the same thing.

jabrch
03-14-2007, 09:33 AM
We're only going to win 77 games?

ESPN - Makes money entertaining - predicts 77 Wins
Las Vegas - Makes money by taking money from gamblers - predicts 92 wins

I'll bet Vegas is closer to right than ESPN Fantasy Baseball.

4th Gen. Sox Fan
03-14-2007, 10:02 AM
Don't worry, ESPN has the Sox hitting 237 Hr's

skottyj242
03-14-2007, 10:07 AM
ESPN - Makes money entertaining - predicts 77 Wins
Las Vegas - Makes money by taking money from gamblers - predicts 92 wins

I'll bet Vegas is closer to right than ESPN Fantasy Baseball.


I'll buy 77 and sell 92.

Zisk77
03-14-2007, 12:35 PM
No way we lose more games than we win. I'll predict 94 wins and a divisional crown.:supernana:

Corlose 15
03-14-2007, 12:42 PM
If Brian Anderson hits .271 this season I GUARANTEE he has more than 3 stolen bases. He had 4 last year.:rolleyes:

ShoelessJoeS
03-14-2007, 12:46 PM
ESPN is slightly overrating our hitters, and underrating our pitchers, especially the bullpen.

But 77 wins? *****...

HotelWhiteSox
03-14-2007, 01:02 PM
I think he just took all the individual projected stats from their fantasy application, technically not going out there and saying '77' wins.

schmitty9800
03-14-2007, 01:03 PM
ESPN - Makes money entertaining - predicts 77 Wins
Las Vegas - Makes money by taking money from gamblers - predicts 92 wins

I'll bet Vegas is closer to right than ESPN Fantasy Baseball.
Bodog's at 87 for the Sox, where are you seeing 92?

chitownhawkfan
03-14-2007, 01:05 PM
I just dont understand how these "experts" see us losing 13 to 18 games more than last season. We got rid of Garcia and McCarthy, how do they work out to 18 less wins? The player we are going to really miss is my boy, Ross Gload, but either way I think we win 86 and finish third.

russ99
03-14-2007, 01:06 PM
I think he just took all the individual projected stats from their fantasy application, technically not going out there and saying '77' wins.

Still, giving 1 win each to Danks, Floyd and Broadway as our 5th starter and not distributing those 8-10 wins the 5th guy is sure to come up with (what, ESPN can't these guys can't pitch 5.66 innings to get a decision?) among the relievers is exceptionally short-sided, even for fantasy baseball.

jabrch
03-14-2007, 01:35 PM
Bodog's at 87 for the Sox, where are you seeing 92?

I thought that was what Vegas was when I was there in December. I may be wrong. Either way - the point was that Vegas has much more than ESPN Fantasy Baseball, and I'd go with Vegas if there is a dispute.

Jjav829
03-14-2007, 01:36 PM
I think he just took all the individual projected stats from their fantasy application, technically not going out there and saying '77' wins.

Glad someone got this. But I can't wait to see it brought up 1,000 times about how ESPN said we're only going to win 77 games. :rolleyes:

If you actually think they are paying attention to the totals of the stats combined, then look at these "win totals" for other teams, based on the combined wins for their pitchers.

Yankees - 85 wins
Red Sox - 86 wins
Angels - 88 wins
Athletics - 81 wins
Indians - 85 wins
Twins - 75 wins
Tigers - 82 wins
Orioles - 71 wins
Royals - 59 wins
Mariners - 74 wins
Devil Rays - 62 wins
Rangers - 83 wins
Blue Jays - 75 wins

Look at the parity! No team with more than 88 wins in the AL. The NL must have dominated interleague play!

The point being, these are fantasy stats. They're not totaling up the stats to see if it all evens out. They're just trying to project each player on his own, based on whatever system they use to project how an individual player will perform in the upcoming year. These are all meant to be looked at as individual projections, not team projections. They're not trying to project how many wins a team will have, or how many HRs a team will have, etc. They're only attempting to project the type of season that each individual player will have.

jabrch
03-14-2007, 01:54 PM
They're just trying to project each player on his own, based on whatever system they use

Yes - that system entails bending over and reaching deep into their butts to see what they can pull out.

EMachine10
03-14-2007, 02:00 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock into this argument. Adding up the staff's projected wins and relating them to the team's wins isn't equivalent. From what I get out of this, the pitchers' wins are being projected as what ESPN feels they are capable of winning. Certainly, there are games pitched by pitchers that are not deserving of a win, and these wins wouldn't be counted for anybody. So, there is probably a handful of "missing" wins in those totals.

JermaineDye05
03-14-2007, 02:29 PM
Konerko with a stolen base?:?:

skottyj242
03-14-2007, 02:35 PM
I think he just took all the individual projected stats from their fantasy application, technically not going out there and saying '77' wins.

Well there's 15 pitchers on that list, so if we win 90 games they're going to have to come from somewhere. Shouldn't they go hand in hand? That's stupid if they don't. The logical way to go about it would be the team in going to win this many games, hit this many homers, scoret this many runs....... and then work from there. To just throw out these numbers makes no sense at all, you shouldn't even look at them.

soxfan13
03-14-2007, 02:35 PM
Well there's 15 pitchers on that list, so if we win 90 games they're going to have to come from somewhere. Shouldn't they go hand in hand? That's stupid if they don't. The logical way to go about it would be the team in going to win this many games, hit this many homers, scoret this many runs....... and then work from there. To just throw out these numbers makes no sense at all, you shouldn't even look at them.

Then why are you looking at them:wink:

skottyj242
03-14-2007, 02:36 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock into this argument. Adding up the staff's projected wins and relating them to the team's wins isn't equivalent. From what I get out of this, the pitchers' wins are being projected as what ESPN feels they are capable of winning. Certainly, there are games pitched by pitchers that are not deserving of a win, and these wins wouldn't be counted for anybody. So, there is probably a handful of "missing" wins in those totals.


I have never opened a paper and read a boxscore where next to winning pitcher it said-nobody.

EMachine10
03-14-2007, 02:45 PM
You're missing the point. Of course the wins are credited to somebody. But what I'm saying is that ESPN is merely projecting what the pitchers are capable of. A lot of pitchers are gonna trot out there and throw a game in which they give up a ton of runs (I feel as if you're gonna want a number, so i dunno, say 7). In some cases, the offense picks up the pitcher and scores more (say, 9), and the team wins the game. Is that pitcher deserving of a win? Probably not, but he got it. (a la Jon Garland of old).

Notice that they don't include losses in that list. I bet if they projected the losses too, everything wouldn't add up to 162. Every year baseball analysts will go out and predict a pitcher's record, but they are not going to take into account the rest of the teams' wins and losses to accurately spit out a record.

Besides, when has anybody following the White Sox ever been able to put stock into what ESPN thinks of us?

skottyj242
03-14-2007, 02:48 PM
You're missing the point. Of course the wins are credited to somebody. But what I'm saying is that ESPN is merely projecting what the pitchers are capable of. A lot of pitchers are gonna trot out there and throw a game in which they give up a ton of runs (I feel as if you're gonna want a number, so i dunno, say 7). In some cases, the offense picks up the pitcher and scores more (say, 9), and the team wins the game. Is that pitcher deserving of a win? Probably not, but he got it. (a la Jon Garland of old).

Notice that they don't include losses in that list. I bet if they projected the losses too, everything wouldn't add up to 162. Every year baseball analysts will go out and predict a pitcher's record, but they are not going to take into account the rest of the teams' wins and losses to accurately spit out a record.

Besides, when has anybody following the White Sox ever been able to put stock into what ESPN thinks of us?

I understand what you're saying, but it works both ways. Every year a pitcher is going to get two or three decisions he didn't really "deserve" be it a win or loss. They should still all add up in the end.

Dolanski
03-14-2007, 02:55 PM
One, these are player fantasy projections, not team projections.

Two, fantasy projections are not written by an individual, but rather a formula based on past performance, experience, and age. These numbers are most useful for established vets (Konerko, Thome, Dye, etc) and completely useless for rookies, emerging stars, or breakout players.

Three, why would anyone take these figures seriously outside of fantasy baseball?

WhiteSoxFan84
03-14-2007, 02:58 PM
One, these are player fantasy projections, not team projections.

Two, fantasy projections are not written by an individual, but rather a formula based on past performance, experience, and age. These numbers are most useful for established vets (Konerko, Thome, Dye, etc) and completely useless for rookies, emerging stars, or breakout players.

Three, why would anyone take these figures seriously outside of fantasy baseball?


Totally agree. This is like when we do player by player predictions. Do any of you sit there and add up how many wins you gave Contreras, Garland, Buehrle, and Vazquez so you can figure out how many to distribute amongst the bullpen and the possible fifth starters? If you do, wow, buy yourself a comic book or something.

Jjav -
Don't forget that BaseballProspectus' predictions. No team in baseball will have more than 93 wins. That makes ESPN's 88 wins look "possible". Although I think both of them suck and will be way off.

EMachine10
03-14-2007, 03:00 PM
One, these are player fantasy projections, not team projections.

Two, fantasy projections are not written by an individual, but rather a formula based on past performance, experience, and age. These numbers are most useful for established vets (Konerko, Thome, Dye, etc) and completely useless for rookies, emerging stars, or breakout players.

Three, why would anyone take these figures seriously outside of fantasy baseball?

Thank you, plus that projection would only yield 3 wins to our 5th starter. As much as it may be a question mark at this point, I can gauruntee more than 3 wins out of whoever makes it (Individual or combined). Plus, let's not forget how hard it is to project a reliever's win/loss total.

I think we should move on :cool:

gobears1987
03-14-2007, 07:51 PM
Konerko with a stolen base?:?:
He had one last year and also got a steal in the 2004 opener.

chisox77
03-14-2007, 09:32 PM
The purpose of these fantasy stats is to get people talking and reacting, and it has worked.

My thoughts: White Sox will win between 91-96 games, which should be enough for the post-season.

:cool: