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07isheaven
03-10-2007, 02:08 PM
I have a question. I know the Sox usually are not as good in preseason play as they are in the regular season, but since their record in either 7 and 2 or 8 and 2, should I worry? I usally don't, but I really think the Sox are good this year, but I have not really seen their best.

Crede_Fan
03-10-2007, 02:33 PM
I have a question. I know the Sox usually are not as good in preseason play as they are in the regular season, but since their record in either 7 and 2 or 8 and 2, should I worry? I usally don't, but I really think the Sox are good this year, but I have not really seen their best.
:chickenlittle

07isheaven
03-10-2007, 03:01 PM
Sorry, I am not really sure what that means. I am gussing you don't know how they will do or don't worry about it now.

fusillirob1983
03-10-2007, 03:07 PM
I have a question. I know the Sox usually are not as good in preseason play as they are in the regular season, but since their record in either 7 and 2 or 8 and 2, should I worry? I usally don't, but I really think the Sox are good this year, but I have not really seen their best.

I'm pretty sure they're 2-9 right now in preseason.

chisox77
03-10-2007, 03:11 PM
No worries, mate!

:cool:

Beer Can Chicken
03-10-2007, 03:33 PM
I have a question. I know the Sox usually are not as good in preseason play as they are in the regular season, but since their record in either 7 and 2 or 8 and 2, should I worry? I usally don't, but I really think the Sox are good this year, but I have not really seen their best.

I'd be worried. I wouldn't even go to a game this year if I were you.

Frater Perdurabo
03-10-2007, 03:36 PM
Sorry, I am not really sure what that means. I am gussing you don't know how they will do or don't worry about it now.

Since you're new here, I'll explain. During the 2005 season, many WSI members would make all kinds of posts about "they can't keep it up," "they are bound to fail," etc., etc. ad nauseum. They developed a more aggressive attitude during Cleveland's late-season surge. It was almost as if they enjoyed the Sox not succeeding as well as they had during the first half of 2005. The "chicken little" tag predated 2005, but it got used a lot in 2005. That era does mark the beginning of those "gloom and doom" posters being labeled "dark cloud" or "pants pisser."

You also might see one of these used to refer to "dark clouds:"

:darkclouds:

:darkcloud:

The bottom line is that I recommend patience, especially since we're still in Spring Training. If I'm not mistaken, in 2005 most of the starters looked exceedingly average in spring training. McCarthy was the best performer in Tuscon. For a day or two, we thought Buehrle might miss 6-8 weeks with a broken foot. Things turned out just fine. Until the Sox win it all or are mathematically eliminated, just enjoy the ride...

:supernana:

QCIASOXFAN
03-10-2007, 03:43 PM
Personally I am petrified.

07isheaven
03-10-2007, 03:51 PM
Since you're new here, I'll explain. During the 2005 season, many WSI members would make all kinds of posts about "they can't keep it up," "they are bound to fail," etc., etc. ad nauseum. They developed a more aggressive attitude during Cleveland's late-season surge. It was almost as if they enjoyed the Sox not succeeding as well as they had during the first half of 2005. The "chicken little" tag predated 2005, but it got used a lot in 2005. That era does mark the beginning of those "gloom and doom" posters being labeled "dark cloud" or "pants pisser."

You also might see one of these used to refer to "dark clouds:"

:darkclouds:

:darkcloud:

The bottom line is that I recommend patience, especially since we're still in Spring Training. If I'm not mistaken, in 2005 most of the starters looked exceedingly average in spring training. McCarthy was the best performer in Tuscon. For a day or two, we thought Buehrle might miss 6-8 weeks with a broken foot. Things turned out just fine. Until the Sox win it all or are mathematically eliminated, just enjoy the ride...

:supernana:

Thanks for explaining EVERYTHING! As I said, I know the Sox don't do extemely well in preseason play, but 2-9 is a little scary. Thanks again!

ondafarm
03-10-2007, 03:57 PM
In short, no.

I want Mags back
03-10-2007, 04:57 PM
werent we just hprendous in the 05 spring. look how that turned out :D:

HotelWhiteSox
03-10-2007, 05:00 PM
I am more worried about guys who are on fire now, like a Crede. Hope they can carry that over with it this early

SOXSINCE'70
03-10-2007, 05:05 PM
ST games are for getting reps in.
THIS MEANS NOTHING!!!!
If the team plays this ****ty
starting April 2nd,then you can
START to be slightly concerned.

The Dude
03-10-2007, 05:10 PM
I have a question. I know the Sox usually are not as good in preseason play as they are in the regular season, but since their record in either 7 and 2 or 8 and 2, should I worry? I usally don't, but I really think the Sox are good this year, but I have not really seen their best.

You should worry yourself to 7th heaven!:redneck

cbotnyse
03-10-2007, 05:14 PM
Honestly, don't be worried during spring training. There is plenty of time to do that once the season starts. Like someone said they also had a bad record in 05 and we know how that turned out. IIRC, the Bears also had a crap pre-season. In short, preseason means nothing.

MarySwiss
03-10-2007, 05:40 PM
Let me join the chorus. They call it "training" for a reason. It gives the Sox's brain trust a chance to evaluate the talent and decide who comes up with the big club in another month, who starts where, who is trade bait, and who spends time in the minors getting some more "seasoning." Right now, they are also trying to decide on who will be the fifth starter.

Win/loss means diddly at this point.

California Sox
03-10-2007, 06:04 PM
I agree it is too early to be concerned. But if their pitchers are getting lit like this the last week, I'll probably feel different. Actually I'll be in AZ next weekend so I hope they pitch better starting then.

Hitmen77
03-10-2007, 06:29 PM
The only thing i'm not too happy about right now is how our top 4 starting pitchers are getting lit up. I know it's early, but Buehrle is looking like he's picking up where he left off last year.

That being said, it's just early S.T. For all I know, some of our pitchers like Buehrle are right on track and merely need the first week or so of exhibition games to fine-tune their pitching.

DumpJerry
03-10-2007, 06:41 PM
http://www.fibbers.co.uk/photos/ALFRED%20E%20NEWMAN.jpg
What, me worry?

I'm sorry, what is it you're worried about being worried about? That the Sox are using players you will not see for another year, if ever? That breaking ball pitchers like Haeger can't make their money pitches work in the dry desert air? That the players who have to do well are? That Opening Day is almost three weeks away and you have nothing to wear????

Breath deep, all will be alright.

ChiSox524
03-10-2007, 09:31 PM
I'm not worried one bit.

Taliesinrk
03-10-2007, 09:50 PM
in '05 training the Sox finished 14-18.. looking at just a few of the starters (JC, FG, MB, and JG), not one allowed fewer than 3 runs in their final starts before the season, and that was only JG.. other than that, the others essentially had what I would call very poor outings..

that said, I'll worry when the games count

Lip Man 1
03-10-2007, 10:47 PM
The last week to ten days gives a better indication. Guys are stretched out, the 'can't miss kids,' have been sent back to places like Great Falls and the regular lineup is playing the majority to all of the innings.

Lip

Frontman
03-10-2007, 10:56 PM
I care zero/zip/nada about the results in spring training. I do however want to see the team start to gel, and I just don't think its happened yet this pre-season.

But, if they hold to form, the Sox will be ready opening day.

Front

soxfan13
03-11-2007, 09:03 AM
IMO I think the last week of spring training is the one that should be scrutizined the hardest. I think by then you will start to see the team they really are gonna be.

viagracat
03-11-2007, 10:10 AM
I have a question. I know the Sox usually are not as good in preseason play as they are in the regular season, but since their record in either 7 and 2 or 8 and 2, should I worry? I usally don't, but I really think the Sox are good this year, but I have not really seen their best.

Posting how worried you are about the Sox based on results when it's not even St Patrick's Day yet is not going to get you on the good sides of some people here. :rolleyes:

Ziggy S
03-11-2007, 04:04 PM
They're called exhibition or training games because they don't count. Sorry to sound like Tim "Captain Obvious" McCarver. I'll worry about the Pale Hose if they're in the cellar or close to it with an awful record by the 1st of May.

SouthSide_HitMen
03-12-2007, 11:13 AM
I don't know if worried is the correct term.

I think White Sox fans should be concerned about what goes on in Spring Training. I don't worry about the wins and losses per se, but rather

How the players are preparing
Are they healthy and getting into game shape?
Are they following instructions and the overall training plan?
Is the team working on fundamentals and other aspects of the game they will not have time for once the season starts? etc..Apparently, White Sox starters needed a kick in the ass (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/292907,CST-SPT-sox12.article) by Cooper.

Considering that the foursome of Vazquez, Jose Contreras, Mark Buehrle and Jon Garland has a combined 1-5 Cactus League record with a dismal 10.80 ERA, it's no wonder that Cooper is thinking it's meeting time. And he's not alone.

I am not "worried" about the W-L record but I would like to see better preparation and for players to take things seriously in Spring Training and I am glad White Sox management is also concerned about the approach to date. The games are exhibition but they do serve a purpose.

johnr1note
03-12-2007, 11:23 AM
For what its worth, the great NY Yankee teams of the 1950s, under Casey Stengel, almost always had poor spring training records. That's because the regulars were getting tuned up and Casey was trying to plug in youngsters and aging veterans to fill holes. I don't think you can put too much stock in poor springs from a lot of these players. Thery're just getting warmed up.

KenBerryGrab
03-12-2007, 01:05 PM
The only things that worry me in spring training are injury reports.

rdivaldi
03-12-2007, 01:07 PM
The only things that worry me in spring training are injury reports.

Yep, that's dead-on. Spring Training stats are 99% meaningless. In 2000 I think our pitching staff had an ERA of like 7. As soon as the season started they went on to have career years.

jandm859
03-12-2007, 02:03 PM
don't be worried about the spring record, it's not that important. But be very worried that we are going into the season with major question marks for a 5th starter,center and left field.

Hitmen77
03-13-2007, 10:20 AM
It sounds like Contreras had a decent outing yesterday.

On the downside, Aardsma looked bad again and Iguchi's avg. is down to .083.

Frontman
03-13-2007, 11:50 AM
It sounds like Contreras had a decent outing yesterday.

On the downside, Aardsma looked bad again and Iguchi's avg. is down to .083.

I don't think Iguchi is going to be THAT bad come April 2.

Front

viagracat
03-13-2007, 08:44 PM
It sounds like Contreras had a decent outing yesterday.

On the downside, Aardsma looked bad again and Iguchi's avg. is down to .083.

Gooch is a guy I never worry about.

LITTLE NELL
03-27-2007, 09:52 AM
I know its only spring training, but is anyone concerned about the dismal record we have right now. Im hoping they turn it up a notch this last week.

Steelrod
03-27-2007, 09:58 AM
Ignore it, it means nothing at all.
Baseball doesn't start until monday.

1917
03-27-2007, 10:03 AM
I don't care about the record, we dont have our everday line up....but our pitching is awful and that gives me great cause for concern.

jabrch
03-27-2007, 10:07 AM
I know its only spring training, but is anyone concerned about the dismal record we have right now. Im hoping they turn it up a notch this last week.

I am as concerned about our ST record as I am about the migratory flight path of the blue speckled hummingbirds.

I am concerned that we just lost our backup C who many of us thought would play a huge part in this season. That to me is MUCH more concerning than the result of games in ST.

soxfanatlanta
03-27-2007, 10:09 AM
I know its only spring training, but is anyone concerned about the dismal record we have right now. Im hoping they turn it up a notch this last week.

Record: no.

Pitcher's performance: a little bit.

Hall's TL: Not the end of the world, but it stinks all the same.

itsnotrequired
03-27-2007, 10:09 AM
I don't care about the record, we dont have our everday line up....but our pitching is awful and that gives me great cause for concern.

Pitchers stats suck hard in Spring Training. Hell, 12 of the 30 MLB teams have staff ERAs of over 5.00. Only 3 MLB teams had ERAs over 5.00 all last season.

MincHiaPettito
03-27-2007, 11:58 AM
This is the time players want to get hot, I doubt that will use that much energy towards winning these games though. I went to Milwaukee in 05 for those last games and they looked horrible. Save it for the season

skobabe8
03-27-2007, 12:01 PM
Record: no.

Pitcher's performance: a little bit.

Hall's TL: Not the end of the world, but it stinks all the same.

Summed up nicely I think.

FedEx227
03-27-2007, 12:10 PM
Past four World Champs - Spring Record

2003: Marlins 15-16
2004: Red Sox 17-11
2005: Sox 14-18
2006: Cards 15-14

Avg: 15-14
Total: 61-59

So I wouldn't make too big of deal.

Viva Medias B's
03-27-2007, 02:33 PM
Sure, I'd like our record to be better than it is, but I'm not concerned.

thomas35forever
03-27-2007, 03:15 PM
I'm more concerned about the health and abilities of our roster than winning games during ST.

A. Cavatica
03-27-2007, 05:19 PM
Our pitchers have been pretty awful, but it seems like we get lit up every spring (at least since we moved to Arizona). I don't understand it -- the air's thin for the other pitcher too -- but it hasn't seemed to carry over into the regular season before.

Of course, I'd like to see us winning more of these meaningless games, just get the players into the right frame of mind (or show that they're already there).

NoNeckEra
03-27-2007, 05:20 PM
Record: no.

Pitcher's performance: a little bit.

Hall's TL: Not the end of the world, but it stinks all the same.
I could absolutely care less about ST results. But I have to tell you, watching today's game and seeing pitcher after pitcher getting lit up is getting a little old.

JB98
03-27-2007, 05:22 PM
I could absolutely care less about ST results. But I have to tell you, watching today's game and seeing pitcher after pitcher getting lit up is getting a little old.

Yeah, I've stopped watching the ST games. We're getting our asses kicked everyday. It means absolutely nothing, and I'm not the least bit worried. But that doesn't mean I enjoy watching the Sox lose.

Bob G
03-27-2007, 06:02 PM
Our pitchers are getting hit a lot harder then we're hitting the opposition... looking at our April schedule I think we're in for a rough start ...

WizardsofOzzie
03-27-2007, 06:06 PM
Our pitchers are getting hit a lot harder then we're hitting the opposition... looking at our April schedule I think we're in for a rough start ...
:darkclouds:

JB98
03-27-2007, 06:09 PM
Our pitchers are getting hit a lot harder then we're hitting the opposition... looking at our April schedule I think we're in for a rough start ...

Remember, Thome isn't playing in any of the 'A' games. Our lineup is going to look a lot different with him in the middle.

In addition, I don't think the Sox are playing with much intensity. We are a veteran team. Most guys already know their roles. They aren't fighting for jobs. They are just getting their work in and going home. When we played the Cubs, there was a little more intensity because of the rivalry. Not surprisingly, we kicked their asses.

It's irritating to watch these spring games. We all hate to lose. But I don't see any legitimate cause for alarm.

JDub35
03-30-2007, 12:44 PM
The White Sox spring record of 9-21-1 ranked as the worst in baseball and their worst since moving from Florida in 1998. Their standing of 12 1/2 games under .500 is the lowest for the White Sox in spring franchise history.


I agree it's only Spring Training, and the Sox never have an impressive record in the spring, but I think the facts leave something to be a bit concerned about.....

oeo
03-30-2007, 12:56 PM
The White Sox spring record of 9-21-1 ranked as the worst in baseball and their worst since moving from Florida in 1998. Their standing of 12 1/2 games under .500 is the lowest for the White Sox in spring franchise history.


I agree it's only Spring Training, and the Sox never have an impressive record in the spring, but I think the facts leave something to be a bit concerned about.....

We were 10-19 last year and won 90 games. :dunno:

Look at other teams and tell me they played minor leaguers like Ozzie did. If you watch any of those games on ESPN, all those teams are using their starting lineups. The Twins were on the other day, and they mentioned that Gardenhire only plays the minor leaguers in the late innings of their home games. Ozzie plays them from about the third inning on in every game. Our pitchers will be fine; you can't measure how well they will perform by stats in Arizona. The team, overall, will be fine. Do you seriously think they're going to be a below-.500 team?

AZChiSoxFan
03-30-2007, 01:10 PM
I could absolutely care less about ST results. But I have to tell you, watching today's game and seeing pitcher after pitcher getting lit up is getting a little old.

I'll step in for Kittle42 here and ask.......how much less could you care?

comet2k
03-30-2007, 03:34 PM
We were 10-19 last year and won 90 games. :dunno:

Look at other teams and tell me they played minor leaguers like Ozzie did. If you watch any of those games on ESPN, all those teams are using their starting lineups. The Twins were on the other day, and they mentioned that Gardenhire only plays the minor leaguers in the late innings of their home games. Ozzie plays them from about the third inning on in every game. Our pitchers will be fine; you can't measure how well they will perform by stats in Arizona. The team, overall, will be fine. Do you seriously think they're going to be a below-.500 team?

And 90 games weren't good enough to make the playoffs last year.

The way the pitching has stunk up Arizone this spring, the Sox could be lucky to win 80 games this year. I hope I'm wrong and that there's a dramatic change for the better starting Monday, but I have serious doubts that can happen.

ondafarm
03-30-2007, 03:41 PM
And 90 games weren't good enough to make the playoffs last year.

The way the pitching has stunk up Arizone this spring, the Sox could be lucky to win 80 games this year. I hope I'm wrong and that there's a dramatic change for the better starting Monday, but I have serious doubts that can happen.

You're wrong.

comet2k
03-30-2007, 03:43 PM
You're wrong.

Well not yet. I could be wrong on Sept. 30 -- and hope I am -- but none of us is right or wrong at this point.

JB98
03-30-2007, 06:18 PM
I think the worried people don't watch much baseball. Spring training performance is not a good indicator of regular-season success. We've been pathetic for three springs in a row. In the regular season, we've won a helluva lot more than we lost.

Does that "prove" we're destined for a great year this season? Not necessarily, but it's foolish to assume we're going to suck on the basis of spring statistics.

FarWestChicago
03-30-2007, 06:24 PM
Well not yet. I could be wrong on Sept. 30 -- and hope I amMost with the end of the world predictions don't really hope they are wrong. I hope you are being truthful.

rdivaldi
03-30-2007, 08:47 PM
You're wrong.

Dammit, exactly what I was going to post.
:smile: