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itsnotrequired
02-27-2007, 12:15 PM
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A downtown pharmacy here was raided by a law enforcement task force on Tuesday, apparently as a result of a large New York state grand jury investigation into Internet drug sales.

The Times Union has learned that investigators in the year-old case, which had remained quiet until now, uncovered evidence that testosterone and other performance-enhancing drugs may have been fraudulently prescribed over the Internet to current and former Major League Baseball players, National Football League players, college athletes, high school coaches, and a former Mr. Olympia champion and another top contender in the bodybuilding competition.

The customers include Los Angeles Angels centerfielder Gary Matthews Jr., according to sources with knowledge of the investigation.

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=566985

I wonder who else was a customer...

palehozenychicty
02-27-2007, 12:23 PM
:drool:

Juicy details.....

caulfield12
02-27-2007, 12:39 PM
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=566985

I wonder who else was a customer...

I wonder if they want Darin Erstad back now? Can they void his contract? Probably not.

QCIASOXFAN
02-27-2007, 12:54 PM
I wonder if they want Darin Erstad back now? Can they void his contract? Probably not.Who knows, but I doubt they even care about this. Sad but true.

norsepalehoser
02-27-2007, 05:14 PM
He will get drug tested and if he passes then to quote Bill Parcells, "Who Cares?"

veeter
02-27-2007, 05:29 PM
Bud will go at him hard with that old guy who's "interviewing" ex-players. I'm sure Mathews will be shaking in his boots.

jenn2080
02-28-2007, 07:48 AM
Gary Matthews Jr. possibly on roids? (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/cs-0702280135feb28,1,6954796.story?coll=cs-football-print)


The customers allegedly include Los Angeles Angels and former Cubs center fielder Gary Matthews Jr., according to sources with knowledge of the investigation.

itsnotrequired
02-28-2007, 07:58 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84686

Silly Horsemaster...

:tongue:

jenn2080
02-28-2007, 08:00 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84686

Silly Horsemaster...

:tongue:



Oops! I don't know how I missed that one. :D:

WizardsofOzzie
02-28-2007, 08:13 AM
Oops! I don't know how I missed that one. :D:
Geeeshhhh Jenn open your eyes!!! :tongue:

Dan Mega
02-28-2007, 08:14 AM
More details coming out...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/02/28/bc.steroidraid.ap/index.html

The newspaper said investigators found evidence that testosterone and other performance-enhancing drugs may have been fraudulently prescribed over the Internet to current and former Major League Baseball and NFL players, college athletes, high school coaches, a former Mr. Olympia champion and another top contender in the bodybuilding competition.

One of the Pittsburgh Steelers physicians spent over $150k. But the thing that scares me the most is high school coaches. This could blow up so big that it takes attention away from Barry Bonds.

Madvora
02-28-2007, 11:52 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/02/28/bc.steroidraid.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

Athletes were involved as customers of an illicit steroid distribution network that led authorities to raid two pharmacies in Orlando and arrest four company officials, a New York prosecutor said.

Customers include Angels outfielder Gary Matthews Jr., according to the Times Union of Albany, which first disclosed the investigation, citing unidentified sources. Matthews would not answer specific questions about the story Wednesday.

Dan Mega
02-28-2007, 11:54 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84686

Madvora
02-28-2007, 11:55 AM
Whoops, how did I miss that?

Foulke You
02-28-2007, 12:13 PM
This certainly could explain Matthews Jr.'s sudden surge in offensive production last year after being a punch and judy hitter for most of his unremarkable career.

cws05champ
02-28-2007, 12:57 PM
Matthew Jr on roids???? Geeee there a surprise!!!

DeadMoney
02-28-2007, 01:07 PM
This certainly could explain Matthews Jr.'s sudden surge in offensive production last year after being a punch and judy hitter for most of his unremarkable career.

This whole thing made me take a look at his stats yesterday. And as I thought about it for a while (and I know he had his good year LAST year), when comparing his career numbers to Erstad's, the Angels appear to be insane. 5 years and 5 million dollars for a guy who's had one good year (and I know Erstad has had only one good year also, and it was a while ago, but at least his mediocre years were A LOT more respectable then Matthews).

It just doesn't make a lot of sense. What reasoning could a GM possibly be using to overspend (by about 30 million dollars) for Matthews, when Erstad could've been had at 1 or 2 million dollars (and much less of a risk)?

As far as I'm concerned, Matthews AND the Angels deserve this, because of stupidity on BOTH ends.

chaerulez
03-01-2007, 09:08 AM
This whole thing made me take a look at his stats yesterday. And as I thought about it for a while (and I know he had his good year LAST year), when comparing his career numbers to Erstad's, the Angels appear to be insane. 5 years and 5 million dollars for a guy who's had one good year (and I know Erstad has had only one good year also, and it was a while ago, but at least his mediocre years were A LOT more respectable then Matthews).

It just doesn't make a lot of sense. What reasoning could a GM possibly be using to overspend (by about 30 million dollars) for Matthews, when Erstad could've been had at 1 or 2 million dollars (and much less of a risk)?

As far as I'm concerned, Matthews AND the Angels deserve this, because of stupidity on BOTH ends.

What are Matthews and the Angels going to deserve? It looks like Matthews is a cheat, but without a negative drug test, not much can really happen. The MLBPA will pull out all the stops to make sure of that. I think the records show he bought some in 2004, when HGH wasn't a banned substance yet (a BS copout used by MLB and the MLBPA), so it is highly unlikely Matthews gets any sort of trouble. Also, the MLB still doesn't test for HGH, Matthews can just get a little smarter and use HGH without any problem.

EndemicSox
03-01-2007, 12:24 PM
This whole thing made me take a look at his stats yesterday. And as I thought about it for a while (and I know he had his good year LAST year), when comparing his career numbers to Erstad's, the Angels appear to be insane. 5 years and 5 million dollars for a guy who's had one good year (and I know Erstad has had only one good year also, and it was a while ago, but at least his mediocre years were A LOT more respectable then Matthews).

It just doesn't make a lot of sense. What reasoning could a GM possibly be using to overspend (by about 30 million dollars) for Matthews, when Erstad could've been had at 1 or 2 million dollars (and much less of a risk)?

As far as I'm concerned, Matthews AND the Angels deserve this, because of stupidity on BOTH ends.

The Angels probably knew that Matthews was roiding and simply didn't give a damn. They know the "new and improved" testing is a joke.

DeadMoney
03-01-2007, 02:37 PM
What are Matthews and the Angels going to deserve? It looks like Matthews is a cheat, but without a negative drug test, not much can really happen. The MLBPA will pull out all the stops to make sure of that. I think the records show he bought some in 2004, when HGH wasn't a banned substance yet (a BS copout used by MLB and the MLBPA), so it is highly unlikely Matthews gets any sort of trouble. Also, the MLB still doesn't test for HGH, Matthews can just get a little smarter and use HGH without any problem.

I know he won't and probably can't be punished, that's not my point. Sometimes, it's just enough [for me] for a guy's name to be dragged through the mud a little bit (especially a guy with a baseball lineage such as Matthews'). And in my opinion, the Angels deserve JUST as much criticism because they probably knew he was on something and STILL gave the guy 50 million because they probably just didn't care.

HotelWhiteSox
03-03-2007, 03:03 AM
Hairston Jr another name http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2786140&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

Vernam
03-03-2007, 03:30 AM
Hairston Jr another name http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2786140&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlinesThe Hairston article reads like something from the Onion: "Just look how crappy I play. How can anyone think I'm juicing?" :redneck

Vernam

Dan Mega
03-06-2007, 10:19 AM
More names in this investigation are surfacing, and it isn't exclusive to MLB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/03/06/rx.trouble0312/index.html

UserNameBlank
03-06-2007, 10:33 AM
More names in this investigation are surfacing, and it isn't exclusive to MLB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/03/06/rx.trouble0312/index.html
Wow. Kurt Angle, Evander Holyfield... some big names on that list. Ditto Canseco but I don't think him ordering in excess of 300 syringes would surprise anyone.

chaerulez
03-06-2007, 11:36 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/03/06/rx.trouble0312/index.html

In an interesting non baseball note, former WWE wrestler Kurt Angle's name has also come up. And he was an Olympic wrestler in 1996.

SoxxoS
03-06-2007, 11:37 AM
I am shocked...SHOCKED that a WWE wrestler took steriods. That is like finding out Joey Cora was a roid head!

Dan Mega
03-06-2007, 11:57 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84686&page=2

chaerulez
03-06-2007, 01:06 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84686&page=2

Damn, beat me to it!

AuroraSoxFan
03-06-2007, 01:20 PM
Just what Rocker needed was some more crap to his name. Oh well. He made his own bed on that plus his famous SI article.

Jerko
03-06-2007, 01:33 PM
Who is in trouble here? Sounds like all those athletes had prescriptions. Is this a "cheating athelte" ring or a "doctors illegally prescribing steroids" ring?

MUsoxfan
03-06-2007, 01:44 PM
Just what Rocker needed was some more crap to his name. Oh well. He made his own bed on that plus his famous SI article.

This is probably a welcome relief for John Rocker. People will stop the racist questions and start with these questions.

Dan Mega
03-06-2007, 01:48 PM
Damn, beat me to it!

Now that I think of it, the other thread was titled for Gary Matthews, this could be legit since its different athletes. No harm no foul.:D:

Hokiesox
03-06-2007, 02:30 PM
Who is in trouble here? Sounds like all those athletes had prescriptions. Is this a "cheating athelte" ring or a "doctors illegally prescribing steroids" ring?

Obtaining an illegal prescription is also a crime. The "doctors" will undoubtedly become part of the investigation, though it sounds like they were under investigation already.

itsnotrequired
03-07-2007, 08:57 AM
New developments.


The clause is triggered when a player is convicted or pleads guilty or no contest. However, Matthews could receive immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony in a possible trial.

"If he has immunity, he's out of the woods on that clause," said Brian Hennigan, a former federal prosecutor now with the Los Angeles law firm Irell & Manella.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/angels/la-sp-angels7mar07,1,4229118.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-mlb-angels&ctrack=1&cset=true

50-80 games? Damn. And if he testifies, watch out...

Mr.1Dog
03-07-2007, 10:22 AM
New developments.



http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/angels/la-sp-angels7mar07,1,4229118.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-mlb-angels&ctrack=1&cset=true

50-80 games? Damn. And if he testifies, watch out...

But does he want to be remembered as the guy known for narc-ing people out just to save his ass instead of the very overpaid and overhyped free agent?

soxinem1
03-07-2007, 10:55 AM
But does he want to be remembered as the guy known for narc-ing people out just to save his ass instead of the very overpaid and overhyped free agent?

Which he will be reminded of by 40K a night in various ballparks across the country this year.... and next....

NUCatsFan
03-19-2007, 05:32 PM
Wow. Kurt Angle, Evander Holyfield... some big names on that list. Ditto Canseco but I don't think him ordering in excess of 300 syringes would surprise anyone.

SI's reporting (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/03/19/wrestlers/index.html) more names from WWE:

Eddie Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Randy Orton
Edge
Shane Helms

The article says a total of 11 wrestlers were named, some of which are "out of the business" right now.

Wow.

getonbckthr
03-19-2007, 05:37 PM
SI's reporting (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/03/19/wrestlers/index.html) more names from WWE:

Eddie Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Randy Orton
Edge
Shane Helms

The article says a total of 11 wrestlers were named, some of which are "out of the business" right now.

Wow.
This is part of the reason for the new Wellness Program instituted by Vince Mcmahon in early 2006.

StillMissOzzie
03-20-2007, 01:53 AM
SI's reporting (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/03/19/wrestlers/index.html) more names from WWE:

Eddie Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Randy Orton
Edge
Shane Helms

The article says a total of 11 wrestlers were named, some of which are "out of the business" right now.

Wow.

This is part of the reason for the new Wellness Program instituted by Vince Mcmahon in early 2006.

Semi-hijack...Awhile back, I was watching an investigative report by Dateline (or 60 Minutes or 20/20...) on Vince McMahon and the WWF (yes, it was the WWF back then, as this point will be covered momentarily), part of which addressed back when WWF was still going through the motions of being a real sport. As such, they needed to get certain licenses from the various state Athletic Commissions and such for their live shows. It was shortly after the states wanted to start testing for steroids that Vince and WWF pulled a 180 and said, "Whoa there! We're not really a sport after all. We're just violence-themed entertainment! We don't need to be tested for that stuff." And pretty soon, WWF morphed into WWE, casting off any remaining pretenses of competition.

So consider me shocked that all this time later, so many WWF/WWE names come up.

SMO
:gulp:

voodoochile
03-20-2007, 09:02 AM
Semi-hijack...Awhile back, I was watching an investigative report by Dateline (or 60 Minutes or 20/20...) on Vince McMahon and the WWF (yes, it was the WWF back then, as this point will be covered momentarily), part of which addressed back when WWF was still going through the motions of being a real sport. As such, they needed to get certain licenses from the various state Athletic Commissions and such for their live shows. It was shortly after the states wanted to start testing for steroids that Vince and WWF pulled a 180 and said, "Whoa there! We're not really a sport after all. We're just violence-themed entertainment! We don't need to be tested for that stuff." And pretty soon, WWF morphed into WWE, casting off any remaining pretenses of competition.

So consider me shocked that all this time later, so many WWF/WWE names come up.

SMO
:gulp:

Pro wrestling only pretended to be real when it came to interviews. Legally they have always been classified as entertainment because otherwise their insurance premiums would be through the roof - I mean how much to cover the guy who REALLY gets hit with a metal folding chair and ends up in a coma with a broken neck? The lack of testing is simply a byproduct of that. Vince knows the fans want to believe the sport is clean and the games are real even if they know in their heads they're not.

Oh and for the record, they changed the name from WWF to WWE because they got sued by the World Wildlife Fund - which has WWF trademarked for a long timebefore the WWF decided to use the initials also.

StillMissOzzie
03-21-2007, 12:49 AM
Oh and for the record, they changed the name from WWF to WWE because they got sued by the World Wildlife Fund - which has WWF trademarked for a long time before the WWF decided to use the initials also.

D'oh!! I knew that!
But I still think it odd that they chose "Entertainment" to change to, rather than something that sounded "tough" like "Alliance" or something else like that.

SMO
:gulp:

WhiteSoxFan84
03-21-2007, 03:24 AM
D'oh!! I knew that!
But I still think it odd that they chose "Entertainment" to change to, rather than something that sounded "tough" like "Alliance" or something else like that.

SMO
:gulp:


Ever since Vince McMahon took over the WWE, he has been completely open with the fact that his business is an entertainment and not legit wrestling. His fans accepted it and all of them wised up about it. There's no shame in admitting that what they're seeing is the same as watching a soap opera or a TV show on a weekly basis. Thus concluding, no need for the name to sound "tough" lol.

voodoochile
03-21-2007, 09:09 AM
Ever since Vince McMahon took over the WWE, he has been completely open with the fact that his business is an entertainment and not legit wrestling. His fans accepted it and all of them wised up about it. There's no shame in admitting that what they're seeing is the same as watching a soap opera or a TV show on a weekly basis. Thus concluding, no need for the name to sound "tough" lol.

Might actually play in his favor too. Many parents wouldn't let their children watch something as inherently dangerous and violent as pro-wrestling if it were real, but the minute they know it's fake, it's no more dangerous than TMNT or Power Rangers or any of the other fake violent kiddie programs out there, just more graphic.

Once a kid is hooked, Vince has got a fan for life...