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monkeypants
03-05-2007, 02:03 AM
Unless I have overlooked some other teams, the last time a team had 4 Hall of Famers on one team was the '83 Phillies. They had Mike Schmidt, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, and Steve Carlton. Prior to this team, the '82 Brewers had 4 HOFers with Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Rollie Fingers and Don Sutton.

So what team will be the next one with 4 HOFers? Perhaps the '96 Orioles with Ripkin, Murray, Roberto Alomar, Rafael Palmeiro(?), Mike Mussina(?)? Maybe the '95 Indians with Eddie Murray, Dave Winfield, Manny Ramirez, Omar Vizquel(?) and Jim Thome(?)?

Have I forgotten or overlooked any teams since the '83 Phillies that have qualified or might soon qualify?

SABRSox
03-05-2007, 03:21 AM
Unless I have overlooked some other teams, the last time a team had 4 Hall of Famers on one team was the '83 Phillies. They had Mike Schmidt, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, and Steve Carlton. Prior to this team, the '82 Brewers had 4 HOFers with Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Rollie Fingers and Don Sutton.

So what team will be the next one with 4 HOFers? Perhaps the '96 Orioles with Ripkin, Murray, Roberto Alomar, Rafael Palmeiro(?), Mike Mussina(?)? Maybe the '95 Indians with Eddie Murray, Dave Winfield, Manny Ramirez, Omar Vizquel(?) and Jim Thome(?)?

Have I forgotten or overlooked any teams since the '83 Phillies that have qualified or might soon qualify?

The '99 Yankees. They'll have Jeter, Clemens, Rivera, and maybe a fringe guy with Andy Pettite, and if you count Joe Torre as manager, that could be 5.

The 2006 Yankees may put them all to shame. ARod, Jeter, Randy Johnson, Rivera, Mike Mussina, Gary Sheffield, and Joe Torre.

102605
03-05-2007, 03:29 AM
The 2006 Yankees may put them all to shame. ARod, Jeter, Randy Johnson, Rivera, Mike Mussina, Gary Sheffield, and Joe Torre.


Haha but none of these......


http://www.nbc5.com/2006/0404/8463538_240X180.jpg

Mohoney
03-05-2007, 03:29 AM
I'm guessing that Ron Santo gets in on the next veterans committee ballot, and the '69 Cubs become the next team with 4 HOFers (Banks, Jenkins, Williams, Santo).

I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm guessing that it will.

SABRSox
03-05-2007, 03:39 AM
Haha but none of these......


http://www.nbc5.com/2006/0404/8463538_240X180.jpg

To be fair, Jeter, Johnson, Rivera, Sheffield and Torre all have at least one.

chaerulez
03-05-2007, 03:41 AM
Palmerio has no shot of getting in the HOF. Not after he failed his drug test and then blamed it on a Tejada. The writers will never forget that. Pettite is highly unlikely to get a sniff either, it doesn't like he will finish his career with either 250 wins or a ERA under 3.50. I don't think any of those Yankee title teams will have anymore HOFers than Jeter, Clemens and Rivera. Just like the 2005 Sox might not even have one. Just proves you can't buy titles.

HotelWhiteSox
03-05-2007, 04:35 AM
Just like the 2005 Sox might not even have one.


http://www.prosportspictures.com/images/mlb/chicago-white-sox/2005/05-frank-thomas-studio-sm.jpg

Chrisaway
03-05-2007, 07:07 AM
http://www.prosportspictures.com/images/mlb/chicago-white-sox/2005/05-frank-thomas-studio-sm.jpg
TOUCHE!!!!!

IndianWhiteSox
03-05-2007, 07:33 AM
Just like the 2005 Sox might not even have one.

What are you talking about? After Crede wins 10 GG and hits over 600HRs with AJP winning the same amount of GG, with Buerlhe and Garland each winning 300 games, that team will have 5 Hall of Famers, especially after Frank Thomas hits his 700HR.

:cool:

itsnotrequired
03-05-2007, 08:02 AM
Haha but none of these......


http://www.nbc5.com/2006/0404/8463538_240X180.jpg

Why would they? None of those guys played for the Sox.

:redneck

WhiteSox5187
03-05-2007, 09:38 AM
What are you talking about? After Crede wins 10 GG and hits over 600HRs with AJP winning the same amount of GG, with Buerlhe and Garland each winning 300 games, that team will have 5 Hall of Famers, especially after Frank Thomas hits his 700HR.

:cool:

I seriously think that Buerhle has a real good shot of winning 250 games and that might be enough to get him into the HOF.

Moses_Scurry
03-05-2007, 10:05 AM
I'd say the '95 Indians are a lock for at least 4 HOF-ers. Manny and Thome are pretty much in. I don't know if there are any teams before them though. Maybe the '89 White Sox! Thigpen, Melido Perez, Dave LaPoint, Barry Jones ... all immortal.

PKalltheway
03-05-2007, 10:10 AM
Unless I have overlooked some other teams, the last time a team had 4 Hall of Famers on one team was the '83 Phillies. They had Mike Schmidt, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, and Steve Carlton. Prior to this team, the '82 Brewers had 4 HOFers with Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Rollie Fingers and Don Sutton.

So what team will be the next one with 4 HOFers? Perhaps the '96 Orioles with Ripkin, Murray, Roberto Alomar, Rafael Palmeiro(?), Mike Mussina(?)? Maybe the '95 Indians with Eddie Murray, Dave Winfield, Manny Ramirez, Omar Vizquel(?) and Jim Thome(?)?

Have I forgotten or overlooked any teams since the '83 Phillies that have qualified or might soon qualify?
The funny thing is that none of those teams won the World Series. Don't forget about the 1995-1996 Braves who may end up with four: Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, Greg Maddux, and maybe Fred McGriff (I doubt it, but we'll see).

spiffie
03-05-2007, 10:10 AM
The 2004 Red Sox might have a shot at 4 HOF's. Manny and Pedro seem to be locks. Schilling will likely get in based on his playoff performances. And David Ortiz and Johnny Damon would seem to have at least a chance to put themselves in the running, especially Ortiz.

Another group that could reach that mark are the late 90's Braves teams. 1998 for example had Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and both Andruw and Chipper Jones. If either hitter can make a run at the HOF, they likely get to 4. Also they have future HOF Manager Ozzie Guillen.

Another one perhaps in the running over time will be the 2004 Houston Astros. With Clemens, Biggio, Bagwell, Oswalt, Beltran, Kent and Petitte, it would seem like they have a decent shot at hitting 4 or more.

salty99
03-05-2007, 12:06 PM
The 2007 Cubs! Pinella, Soriano, Derek Lee, Zambrano

PennStater98r
03-05-2007, 12:57 PM
1993 Toronto Blue Jays has some potential:

Paul Molitor - IN
Rickey Henderson - WILL BE IN
Roberto Alomar - WILL BE IN
Carlos Delgado - Already at 400 HR - has a shot
Jack Morris - 254 Wins - but just not good enough - but will certainly get future consideration much like Santo is now

SouthSide_HitMen
03-05-2007, 01:52 PM
2008: Jim Rice (1974 Boston Red Sox - Carl Yazstrzemski, Carlton Fisk and Juan Marichal In; 1976-77 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Fisk & Fergie Jenkins; 1978-79 Boston Red Sox - Fisk, Yaz & Dennis Eckersley; 1981-82 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Eckersley and Tony Perez; 1983 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Eck & Wade Boggs).

The 1980 Boston Red Sox would have five (Yaz, Fisk, Eck & Tony Perez) if Jim Rice is inducted.

2009: Ron Santo (Chicago Cubs 1960 - Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Richie Ashburn; Chicago Cubs 1962-64 - Banks, Williams & Lou Brock; Chicago Cubs 1967-69 & 1971 - Banks, Williams & Jenkins)

The 1961 (Banks, Williams, Ashburn & Lou Brock), 1966 (Banks, Williams, Jenkins & Robin Roberts) & 1970 (Banks, Williams, Jenkins & Hoyt Wilhelm) Chicago Cubs would have 5 Hall of Famers.

2009: Goose Gossage (1980 NY Yankees - Gaylord Perry & Reggie Jackson In, Jim Kaat via Veterans Ballot in 2009).

2009: Tim Raines (1979 Montreal Expos - Gary Carter, Tony Perez In; Andre Dawson eligible; 1984 Montreal Expos - Gary Carter In; Andre Dawson, Pete Rose).

2009: Goose Gossage (1992 Oakland A's - Dennis Eckersley In, Rickey Henderson likely in 2009, Mark McGwire???).

2010: Roberto Alomar (1993 Toronto Blue Jays - Paul Molitor In, Rickey Henderson (most likely 2009 inductee), Jack Morris (may get in by then)).

PennStater98r
03-06-2007, 09:54 AM
Here is an interesting factoid. In 1986, we had 3 + Harold Baines.

Fisk
Carlton
Seaver

and Baines - who with about another 150 hits would probably be in.

chaerulez
03-06-2007, 04:51 PM
http://www.prosportspictures.com/images/mlb/chicago-white-sox/2005/05-frank-thomas-studio-sm.jpg

While I agree Frank is a no doubt first ballot HOFer, I don't trust the morons that do the voting to get it done right.

TommyJohn
03-07-2007, 08:40 AM
2008: Jim Rice (1974 Boston Red Sox - Carl Yazstrzemski, Carlton Fisk and Juan Marichal In; 1976-77 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Fisk & Fergie Jenkins; 1978-79 Boston Red Sox - Fisk, Yaz & Dennis Eckersley; 1981-82 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Eckersley and Tony Perez; 1983 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Eck & Wade Boggs).

The 1980 Boston Red Sox would have five (Yaz, Fisk, Eck & Tony Perez) if Jim Rice is inducted.

2009: Ron Santo (Chicago Cubs 1960 - Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Richie Ashburn; Chicago Cubs 1962-64 - Banks, Williams & Lou Brock; Chicago Cubs 1967-69 & 1971 - Banks, Williams & Jenkins)

The 1961 (Banks, Williams, Ashburn & Lou Brock), 1966 (Banks, Williams, Jenkins & Robin Roberts) & 1970 (Banks, Williams, Jenkins & Hoyt Wilhelm) Chicago Cubs would have 5 Hall of Famers.

2009: Goose Gossage (1980 NY Yankees - Gaylord Perry & Reggie Jackson In, Jim Kaat via Veterans Ballot in 2009).

2009: Tim Raines (1979 Montreal Expos - Gary Carter, Tony Perez In; Andre Dawson eligible; 1984 Montreal Expos - Gary Carter In; Andre Dawson, Pete Rose).

2009: Goose Gossage (1992 Oakland A's - Dennis Eckersley In, Rickey Henderson likely in 2009, Mark McGwire???).

2010: Roberto Alomar (1993 Toronto Blue Jays - Paul Molitor In, Rickey Henderson (most likely 2009 inductee), Jack Morris (may get in by then)).

Very interesting stuff. I did not realize the 1966 Cubs have four Hall of
Famers, pretty good for a team that went 59-103.

Of course, the Veteran's and BBWAA ballots sport these four names:
Jim Kaat, Ron Santo, Rich Gossage, Dick Allen. All of them played
for the 1974 White Sox, who went 80-80. It would be a hoot if all of
them eventually got in, but I doubt it.

soxinem1
03-07-2007, 12:02 PM
2008: Jim Rice (1974 Boston Red Sox - Carl Yazstrzemski, Carlton Fisk and Juan Marichal In; 1976-77 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Fisk & Fergie Jenkins; 1978-79 Boston Red Sox - Fisk, Yaz & Dennis Eckersley; 1981-82 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Eckersley and Tony Perez; 1983 Boston Red Sox - Yaz, Eck & Wade Boggs).

The 1980 Boston Red Sox would have five (Yaz, Fisk, Eck & Tony Perez) if Jim Rice is inducted.

2009: Ron Santo (Chicago Cubs 1960 - Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Richie Ashburn; Chicago Cubs 1962-64 - Banks, Williams & Lou Brock; Chicago Cubs 1967-69 & 1971 - Banks, Williams & Jenkins)

The 1961 (Banks, Williams, Ashburn & Lou Brock), 1966 (Banks, Williams, Jenkins & Robin Roberts) & 1970 (Banks, Williams, Jenkins & Hoyt Wilhelm) Chicago Cubs would have 5 Hall of Famers.

2009: Goose Gossage (1980 NY Yankees - Gaylord Perry & Reggie Jackson In, Jim Kaat via Veterans Ballot in 2009).

2009: Tim Raines (1979 Montreal Expos - Gary Carter, Tony Perez In; Andre Dawson eligible; 1984 Montreal Expos - Gary Carter In; Andre Dawson, Pete Rose).

2009: Goose Gossage (1992 Oakland A's - Dennis Eckersley In, Rickey Henderson likely in 2009, Mark McGwire???).

2010: Roberto Alomar (1993 Toronto Blue Jays - Paul Molitor In, Rickey Henderson (most likely 2009 inductee), Jack Morris (may get in by then)).

This is an excellent compilation. But because of some borderline cases it may take some time. By the time they retire, I think the 2004-2006 Yankees teams will put 5-6 guys in.

spiffie
03-07-2007, 04:58 PM
Here is an interesting factoid. In 1986, we had 3 + Harold Baines.

Fisk
Carlton
Seaver

and Baines - who with about another 150 hits would probably be in.
Along those same lines, another team that has a shot at 4...the 1991 Chicago White Sox. That team had Thomas, Fisk, Raines, and Sosa.

WhiteSox5187
03-07-2007, 07:49 PM
Along those same lines, another team that has a shot at 4...the 1991 Chicago White Sox. That team had Thomas, Fisk, Raines, and Sosa.
Sosa isn't getting into the Hall of Fame. I'm not so sure Thome, Thomas too maybe. It's going to be hard for a DH to get into the Hall. In fact, just about any power hitter coming out of the steroid era is going to have a cloud of suspicion hanging over his head.

Save McCuddy's
03-07-2007, 09:58 PM
Palmerio has no shot of getting in the HOF. Not after he failed his drug test and then blamed it on a Tejada. The writers will never forget that. Pettite is highly unlikely to get a sniff either, it doesn't like he will finish his career with either 250 wins or a ERA under 3.50. I don't think any of those Yankee title teams will have anymore HOFers than Jeter, Clemens and Rivera. Just like the 2005 Sox might not even have one. Just proves you can't buy titles.

Depending on what Posada can maintain over the next 3 to 4 years, you can't count him out yet. He trails Gary Carter by 125 Hr in 3600 some odd fewer AB's. Granted he's 36, but he broke in late and has yet to show a proneness to injury.

At any rate, I feel like he's been an overlooked player in that dynasty -- the most important posistion on the field and a switch hitter that's dangerous.

monkeypants
03-07-2007, 10:18 PM
Along those same lines, another team that has a shot at 4...the 1991 Chicago White Sox. That team had Thomas, Fisk, Raines, and Sosa.

I like the cut of your jib. I kept looking at other teams but neglected our own Sox. Although I would HATE to see Sosa in the Hall.

I never really considered Raines to be a Hall of Famer but looking at his numbers and comparing them to Lou Brock makes it look like he's almost a lock. What really surprised me was that Rock beats out Brock in strikeouts and walks by a nearly 2 to 1 advantage.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=raineti01:Tim+Raines&st=career

PicktoCLick72
03-08-2007, 12:22 AM
1993 White Sox

JAson Bere
Warren Newsome
Joey Cora
Kirk McCaskill

Seems like a show-in for this group.