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itsnotrequired
02-28-2007, 10:43 AM
FREMONT, Calif. -- The proposed site of the Oakland Athletics' new ballpark sits next to a factory that produces highly toxic materials used to make computer chips, officials said.

Fremont officials told A's owner Lew Wolff last year that he would need to buy and relocate the plant or mitigate the potential hazards posed by Scott Specialty Gases, which is across the street from the envisioned ballpark village.

An accident at Scott Gas could create a cloud of deadly arsine floating as far as seven-tenths of a mile away from the plant,
according to city hazard plans showing the "worst-case scenario."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=2782126

I can see the promotional opportunities now:

August 15th, 2009
White Sox vs. Oakland Athletics, 7:05 PM
ACME gas mask night!
First 10,000 fans receive a limited edition ACME gas mask. For all your toxic needs!

:tongue:

soxfan13
02-28-2007, 10:47 AM
Was wondering what toxic materials are used to make computer chips?

spiffie
02-28-2007, 10:52 AM
Anywhere Billy Beane is there's already a toxic cloud hovering, I guess they figured no one would notice a second one.

DumpJerry
02-28-2007, 11:05 AM
Ahhhh..........The Meadowlands West!

itsnotrequired
02-28-2007, 11:14 AM
Was wondering what toxic materials are used to make computer chips?

The manufacture of computer chips involves using some of the harshest chemicals on Earth. They are mainly used to dissolve semiconducting materials as the chips are "grown".

ondafarm
02-28-2007, 11:18 AM
" . . . a cloud of deadly arsine . . ."

What's arsine?

itsnotrequired
02-28-2007, 11:20 AM
" . . . a cloud of deadly arsine . . ."

What's arsine?


The toxicity of arsine is distinct from that of other arsenic compounds. The main route of exposure is by inhalation, although poisoning after skin contact has also been described. Arsine binds to the haemoglobin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemoglobin) of red blood cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_blood_cell), causing them to be destroyed by the body.

The first signs of exposure, which can take several hours to become apparent, are headaches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headache), vertigo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertigo_%28medical%29) and nausea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausea), followed by the symptoms of haemolytic anaemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemolytic_anaemia) (high levels of unconjugated bilirubin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilirubin)), haemoglobinuria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemoglobinuria) and nephropathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephropathy). In severe cases, the damage to the kidneys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney) can be long-lasting.

Exposure to arsine concentrations of 250 ppm is rapidly fatal: concentrations of 2530 ppm are fatal for 30 min exposure, and concentrations of 10 ppm can be fatal at longer exposure times. Symptoms of poisoning appear after exposure to concentrations of 0.5 ppm. There is little information on the chronic toxicity of arsine, although it is reasonable to assume that, in common with other arsenic compounds, a long-term exposure could lead to arsenicosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenicosis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsine

ILuvThatDuck
02-28-2007, 11:26 AM
The manufacture of computer chips involves using some of the harshest chemicals on Earth. They are mainly used to dissolve semiconducting materials as the chips are "grown".

Are you some sort of scientist?:D:

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soxfan13
02-28-2007, 11:37 AM
The manufacture of computer chips involves using some of the harshest chemicals on Earth. They are mainly used to dissolve semiconducting materials as the chips are "grown".

Are these the same chemicals they use on potato chips:wink:

Jerko
02-28-2007, 11:58 AM
The Raiders act like they've already been playing there.

ondafarm
02-28-2007, 12:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsine

That should have tipped me off. That is a British wikipedia entry as should be obvious from the spellings.

My sister, White Sox season ticket holder and medical director of the illinois poison center, says most Americans call it hydrogen arsenide.

Fenway
02-28-2007, 01:19 PM
well it is the East Bay :tongue:

ode to veeck
02-28-2007, 03:35 PM
well it is the East Bay :tongue:

Fremont is a lot more preferable than most of Oakland.

Actually Arsine is used more in the south bay, although mush of the chip fabrication has moved elsewhere for cheaper labor, lower workman's comp and better tax breaks in other states and countries. There's still a lot of smaller fabs in the south bay, but much, much less than there were 20-30 years ago, while the current generation megafabs are mostly elsewhere

Arsine is used mainly for doping semiconductors, not dissolving them, as in GaAs, a speciality high speed exotic semiconductor that is in declining production due to the increasing speed capability of plain CMOS, now into GHz speed ranges. It is also used Indium Phosphide optical semiconductors (lasers and light detecting diodes) and very high speed (near Teraherz) exotics, the later two groups are just starting to move into mfg after long time use by researchers, though still mostly in R&D.

The biggest risks are generally not with big chem suppliers like Scott, but smaller mfg and development use sites, especially older ones, where procedures, staff training, and equipment can be lacking. While we had a very clean record at the plants I worked at, my ERT team, along with the local fire dept, had to once "take over" an emergency at a facility next door to us when a smaller less safety cultured company ran into real problems.

The whole issue of the A's can't move to the south bay is bull****, as the south bay was only set as Giants territory for the vote held some years back on public funding of a new Giants stadium near 237 and Great America Parkway (not far from the Niners training camp). The voters intelligently rejected public funding for a sports stadium and the Giants later built their new ball park and started the major gentrification of China Basin, a former mostly warehouse district in SF. South Bay sports fan would love to have the A's move here and the Giants would still sell out their stadium regardless. The Giants owners and used car salesman Bud Selig make the most of their buddy buddy relationship and anti-trust exemption, but they're stupid as it would add tremendous numbers of attendees and revenue and interest to move the A's to the south bay, hence the Fremont alternative.

ode to veeck
02-28-2007, 03:38 PM
That should have tipped me off. That is a British wikipedia entry as should be obvious from the spellings.

My sister, White Sox season ticket holder and medical director of the illinois poison center, says most Americans call it hydrogen arsenide.

Most Americans outside the semiconductor industry where is it most prevalently used in this country and generally goes by the nickname arsine.

MisterB
02-28-2007, 04:25 PM
Arsine is used mainly for doping semiconductors,

The headline:

The A's doping problem

:D:

ondafarm
02-28-2007, 04:29 PM
Most Americans outside the semiconductor industry where is it most prevalently used in this country and generally goes by the nickname arsine.

Fine. I sit corrected.

Kroozah
02-28-2007, 11:05 PM
This is the first I ever heard of any dangerous chemical plant, and I live acouple miles from this site.

I had better run out and get a gas mask.



Fremont is a nice place to live, but to build a ballpark here? I don't think so.

russ99
03-01-2007, 02:10 PM
This is the first I ever heard of any dangerous chemical plant, and I live acouple miles from this site.

I had better run out and get a gas mask.



Fremont is a nice place to live, but to build a ballpark here? I don't think so.

No kidding. I've been there many times (Hayward area) and traffic's insane as it is now... add in 30,000 cars every early evening for baseball and we're talking 101-like gridlock. It would also bring the Dumbarton bridge to even more of a rush-hour standstill.

I agree that the South Bay/San Jose area is a much better location for the A's.