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Lip Man 1
02-16-2007, 11:19 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-bbo-rules-changes,1,3592333.story?coll=sns-ap-sports-headlines

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FedEx227
02-16-2007, 11:22 PM
With no runners on, a pitcher will be required to pitch within 12 seconds, the timing starting when the pitcher is in possession of the ball and the batter is in the batter's box, alert to the pitcher.

Steve Trachsel is going to FLIP!

Brian26
02-16-2007, 11:27 PM
Great stuff...

a batter will lose the ability to run to first on a dropped third strike if he leaves the dirt circle around home plate unless he does so while trying to reach first base. Previously, a player could run to first until he reached the dugout or his defensive position.

I don't think he left the dirt circle, but for all intents and purposes this could be called the "AJ Rule."

Another change is, a batter who hits an apparent game-ending home run with less than two outs would be allowed to circle the bases if a runner ahead of him doesn't continue to home plate, thinking the game is over.

And this could be the "Robin Ventura Rule."

IndianWhiteSox
02-16-2007, 11:30 PM
I really don't understand why after all these years only now they make these rule changes.

thomas35forever
02-16-2007, 11:48 PM
Wow, very confusing. I'm sure the changes will be restated time and time again as the season goes on. Not 12 seconds! Mark'll never get the ball off in that time!

StillMissOzzie
02-17-2007, 03:37 AM
A major league position player who scuffs or defaces a baseball would be ejected and receive an automatic 10-game suspension under changes approved Friday by the sport's playing rules committee.

Previously, the penalty was to call the pitch a ball and warn the player. For pitchers, umpires have the discretion to issue only a warning if they determine the pitcher's actions weren't intended to alter the characteristics of a pitch.

...and this might very well become known as "the Kenny Rogers" rule.

SMO
:gulp:

downstairs
02-17-2007, 11:40 AM
I just love how most of these rules are reactions to one or two single plays/events that happened recently... good stuff... gotta love reactionary rulemaking.

Its mostly BS anyway... isn't there a new "pitcher must throw the pitch within X seconds" rule every year?!?

viagracat
02-17-2007, 12:12 PM
Steve Trachsel is going to FLIP!

Any rule that helps speed up the game is a good thing. I also like the rule change where a pitcher no longer has to stop if he's in the stretch with runners on base, as well as the increased penalties for pitchers messing with the ball.

However, the rule allowing multi-colored gloves unless the umpires think they're "distracting" is just dumb. :?:

Paulwny
02-17-2007, 12:44 PM
There should also be a rule as to how long batters can remain out of the box while they readjust their batting gloves, helmets, etc.

jcw218
02-17-2007, 12:56 PM
Any rule that helps speed up the game is a good thing. I also like the rule change where a pitcher no longer has to stop if he's in the stretch with runners on base, as well as the increased penalties for pitchers messing with the ball.

However, the rule allowing multi-colored gloves unless the umpires think they're "distracting" is just dumb. :?:

If there's NOT a runner on base and the pitcher is using the stretch position, he no longer has to stop. If there IS a runner on base then the pitcher still has to come to a complete stop.


And a pitcher in the stretch position instead of a windup with no runners on base no longer will have to come to a complete stop.

viagracat
02-17-2007, 12:58 PM
If there's NOT a runner on base and the pitcher is using the stretch position, he no longer has to stop. If there IS a runner on base then the pitcher still has to come to a complete stop.

Maybe I should read the rules with my glasses on. :tongue:

kjhanson
02-17-2007, 01:47 PM
If there's NOT a runner on base and the pitcher is using the stretch position, he no longer has to stop. If there IS a runner on base then the pitcher still has to come to a complete stop.

Yeah. If it were the other way around... well, the game would no longer look like baseball, that's for sure. And guys like Podsednik, Dave Roberts and Juan Pierre would no longer have jobs.

PaleHoseGeorge
02-17-2007, 02:06 PM
Its mostly BS anyway... isn't there a new "pitcher must throw the pitch within X seconds" rule every year?!?

Yep, pretty much. The other long-time favorite springtime rule enforcement edict is eliminating the "neighborhood play" allowing shortstops and secondbasemen the "neighborhood" of second base on force plays.

This stuff gets enforced for about 3 weeks in April, becomes slack in May, and is totally forgotten by the all-star break.

Steve Trachsel isn't even finished picking his ass after 12 seconds...

:cool:

mshake10
02-17-2007, 07:31 PM
I don't think he left the dirt circle, but for all intents and purposes this could be called the "AJ Rule."
There was a similar play where the batter was almost at the dugout before running to first and bein called safe. It was at a Giants game a couple years ago. It should be named after that.

As for the "AJ Play", rule-wise, there was nothing controversal about it.

WizardsofOzzie
02-17-2007, 08:22 PM
There should also be a rule as to how long batters can remain out of the box while they readjust their batting gloves, helmets, etc.

Sounds like the Nomar rule to me



Steve Trachsel isn't even finished picking his ass after 12 seconds...

:cool:

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

SOX ADDICT '73
02-17-2007, 09:23 PM
There was a similar play where the batter was almost at the dugout before running to first and bein called safe. It was at a Giants game a couple years ago. It should be named after that.
IIRC, AJ was the catcher victimized on that play when he was with the Giants (which, according to him, gave him the idea to run in the '05 ALCS), so we could still call it "The AJ Rule"!

TDog
02-17-2007, 10:00 PM
...


And this could be the "Robin Ventura Rule."


Or maybe the Joe Adcock rule. After pitching 12 perfect innings in 1959, Harvey Haddix lost his no-hitter to a Joe Adcock double that wasn't a home run because Henry Aaron failed to come around to score after Adcock's ball sailed over the wall.

ondafarm
02-17-2007, 10:05 PM
I really don't understand why after all these years only now they make these rule changes.

Rule changes are made to be confusing. It keeps umpires employed.

Scottiehaswheels
02-17-2007, 10:07 PM
At the very bottom it mentions that changes were made to scoring rules? Anyone know what these might be? I.E. Errors that weren't errors before might now be considered as such? Things along those lines?

mjmcend
02-17-2007, 10:41 PM
At the very bottom it mentions that changes were made to scoring rules? Anyone know what these might be? I.E. Errors that weren't errors before might now be considered as such? Things along those lines?


It was just minor stuff. Homeruns count double now, strikeouts count as a run scored and so on. Nothing that will really change the game...

eastchicagosoxfan
02-18-2007, 07:50 AM
Or maybe the Joe Adcock rule. After pitching 12 perfect innings in 1959, Harvey Haddix lost his no-hitter to a Joe Adcock double that wasn't a home run because Henry Aaron failed to come around to score after Adcock's ball sailed over the wall.
This goes back to 1908, more or less.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Merkle's_Boner

soxinem1
02-18-2007, 09:21 AM
Any rule that helps speed up the game is a good thing. I also like the rule change where a pitcher no longer has to stop if he's in the stretch with runners on base.

This will be the most interesting to watch. The quick pitching will definitely lead to a further drop of SB's, and quite a few more pick-offs.

ode to veeck
02-18-2007, 10:10 AM
It was just minor stuff. Homeruns count double now, strikeouts count as a run scored and so on. Nothing that will really change the game...

the shoota rule, of course

mshake10
02-18-2007, 11:43 AM
At the very bottom it mentions that changes were made to scoring rules? Anyone know what these might be? I.E. Errors that weren't errors before might now be considered as such? Things along those lines?
Funny, I was just talking about that in another thread. It's going to be controversal. I suspect a lot of pitchers will now appeal scoring decisions in an attempt to lower their ERA.

mshake10
02-18-2007, 11:44 AM
IIRC, AJ was the catcher victimized on that play when he was with the Giants (which, according to him, gave him the idea to run in the '05 ALCS), so we could still call it "The AJ Rule"!
:tongue: Ah, ya got me. Actually, I think AJ cited that game as his reason for running to 1st in the ALCS.

Scottiehaswheels
02-18-2007, 12:06 PM
Funny, I was just talking about that in another thread. It's going to be controversal. I suspect a lot of pitchers will now appeal scoring decisions in an attempt to lower their ERA.Thats exactly what I was thinking. Are we going to see bad routes, mental lapses, etc. charged as errors? I mean stuff like that, depending on the defense behind a pitcher, could lower ERA's significantly.

churlish
02-18-2007, 01:58 PM
Steve Trachsel is going to FLIP!

I'm more worried about our very own Mark Buehrle. Buehrle takes FOREVER to throw to home plate.

TDog
02-18-2007, 02:01 PM
This goes back to 1908, more or less.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Merkle's_Boner

But in 1908, a player hitting a ball over the fence, or a ball that bounced over the fence for that matter, with the bases loaded in a tie-score game-ending situation would only have been given credit for a single. I believe the runners still must touch the next base before leaving the field in a game-ending situation.

By the way, if you're a fan of a team that is looking for curses, you might want to make something out of your team last winning a World Series in a year that they only got to the World Series that year because a rookie on the team that should have gone to the World Series that year, fearing for his life, fled the field instead of touching second base. Fred Merkle's been dead for more than half a century. Since his death, every time the Cubs seem to be on the verge of making it to the World Series, something happens to prevent it.

Fenway
02-18-2007, 02:24 PM
This pleases me
Before this year, when an official game was called due to weather and the score was tied, the statistics counted and a new game was replayed from the start. Under the change, when a game is tied in the bottom of the fifth inning or later and is called because of weather, it will be suspended and resumed before the next scheduled game between the teams at the same ballpark.

If no more games remain between the teams at the same ballpark, it will be resumed when the teams meet at the visitor's ballpark. If it is the final scheduled meeting between the teams, it will be replayed from the start if it is needed to determine a postseason berth.


This now makes it the same as a game being called by curfew.

soxfan80
02-19-2007, 04:13 AM
But in 1908, a player hitting a ball over the fence, or a ball that bounced over the fence for that matter, with the bases loaded in a tie-score game-ending situation would only have been given credit for a single. I believe the runners still must touch the next base before leaving the field in a game-ending situation.

By the way, if you're a fan of a team that is looking for curses, you might want to make something out of your team last winning a World Series in a year that they only got to the World Series that year because a rookie on the team that should have gone to the World Series that year, fearing for his life, fled the field instead of touching second base. Fred Merkle's been dead for more than half a century. Since his death, every time the Cubs seem to be on the verge of making it to the World Series, something happens to prevent it.wha?

soxwon
02-20-2007, 10:57 PM
Any rule that helps speed up the game is a good thing. I also like the rule change where a pitcher no longer has to stop if he's in the stretch with runners on base, as well as the increased penalties for pitchers messing with the ball.

However, the rule allowing multi-colored gloves unless the umpires think they're "distracting" is just dumb. :?:


why is it everyone wants to speed up the game?
When i was young going to a sunday doubleheader was the best of everything
getting there at 10 and leaving at 6, thats a day of baseball.
I miss 3-4 hour games, especially when people are paying 20-100 bucks a ticket
i want my moneys worth, a full day out there not a lousy 2-1/2 hour game.
it takes some people longer to get to the game then, the game itself lasts.
Thanks simply WRONG!!!!
4 hours in the sun on a sunday- thats living!!!
Am i the only one who hates speeding up the game?
The avg time now is 150 minutes, thats way too fast.
they'll get it down to 2 hours watch- it isnt worth wasting the effort then.

itsnotrequired
02-20-2007, 11:04 PM
The avg time now is 150 minutes, thats way too fast.
they'll get it down to 2 hours watch- it isnt worth wasting the effort then.

:?:

150 minutes is about how long games were back in the early 80s. This is on par with the length of games in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s.

2000 was about the longest games were in the history of the majors, a touch under three hours. Do you long for the nostalgia of seven years ago?:D:

soxwon
02-20-2007, 11:13 PM
:?:

150 minutes is about how long games were back in the early 80s. This is on par with the length of games in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s.

2000 was about the longest games were in the history of the majors, a touch under three hours. Do you long for the nostalgia of seven years ago?:D:

i just miss scheduled doubleheaders and all day at the park, back in the 70's.
i love 3 hours + games.
baseball is an escape from reality, from home, from worries.

so people would rather leave at 12 get there by 1, watch game to 4 b
e home at 5-5:30 back to reality and boredom -not me.

itsnotrequired
02-20-2007, 11:19 PM
i just miss scheduled doubleheaders and all day at the park, back in the 70's.
i love 3 hours + games.
baseball is an escape from reality, from home, from worries.

so people would rather leave at 12 get there by 1, watch game to 4 b
e home at 5-5:30 back to reality and boredom -not me.

I too enjoy the long games. But based on the numbers, games today are just as long as they were back in the 70s. True, the scheduled doubleheader is gone but games are still plenty long.

ewokpelts
02-21-2007, 11:10 AM
long games rock if you're in the scout seats and on dollar hot dog day

otherwise...2 1/2 is ok with me

EndemicSox
02-21-2007, 01:21 PM
Don't let the umpires forget about this come June...

PKalltheway
02-21-2007, 08:00 PM
By the way, if you're a fan of a team that is looking for curses, you might want to make something out of your team last winning a World Series in a year that they only got to the World Series that year because a rookie on the team that should have gone to the World Series that year, fearing for his life, fled the field instead of touching second base. Fred Merkle's been dead for more than half a century. Since his death, every time the Cubs seem to be on the verge of making it to the World Series, something happens to prevent it.
That's funny you should mention that because I have a DVD called "100 Years of the World Series" in which a baseball historian (I forget his name) mentioned that same play you were talking about. He said something to the effect that "something like that could cast a shadow over your team because you're not really supposed to be there to begin with." I believe that gaffe was called "Fred Merkle's boner."

I'm not one to believe in stupid curses myself, but I just found that incident to be an interesting, and mostly forgotten, tidbit in baseball history.