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Viva Medias B's
02-13-2007, 12:07 AM
Don't think anyone posted this since it's fresh...

We usually should be concerned with matters involving our own ballclub on the South Side and not those of the Chicago National League Ballclub, Inc. However, I think this quote this evening from Carlos Zambrano merits attention:

"I want to sign with the Cubs before the season starts. If they don't sign me, sorry, but I must go. That's what Carlos Zambrano thinks."

Here is the link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070212cubszambrano,1,7080469.story?coll=chi-sportstop-hed) to the story for those of you Tribune-registered.

RadioheadRocks
02-13-2007, 12:12 AM
Wow, didn't see that coming! :D:

Seriously though, you gotta love when a player refers to himself in the third person in a direct quote. ("... If they don't sign me, sorry, but I must go. That's what Carlos Zambrano thinks.") :D:

Britt Burns
02-13-2007, 12:12 AM
Britt Burns thinks that anyone who refers to themselves in the third person should be banned form the game on general principles.

Beer Can Chicken
02-13-2007, 12:13 AM
Is Zambrano turning Costanza on us and referring to himself in the third person? I love it. Carlos Zambrano likes spicy chicken..

TheOldRoman
02-13-2007, 12:13 AM
Don't worry, the word will get out. I'm sure the Tribune will work "Zambrano's last season with the Cubs" into every single Cubs story like they have with Buehrle and the Sox. Right?

Seriously, though, nothing surprising here. The Cubs had money for him, but they threw it at crap like Lily and Marquis. So when they have two #5s and four #6 starters in 08, it will be because of their futile spending spree this offseason.

cheeses_h_rice
02-13-2007, 12:19 AM
No matter where he is in the country, God will always be right above him, so he can do that ****ing annoying point-at-the-sky bull**** anywhere.

:rolleyes:

HotelWhiteSox
02-13-2007, 12:22 AM
"[Cubs general manager] Jim [Hendry] spent a lot of money. I hope he has more for 'Big Z.'"

Basically what everyone on this board said would happen (too bad no one on the Trib could pick up on this since they are so good at predicting what will happen to Sox players a year from now). And got to love the 3rd person

ChiSoxLifer
02-13-2007, 12:28 AM
This article really reminds me how much I dislike "BIG Z". How pretentious can one be to refer to himself in the third person? Yes, he's talented and will get a boatload of money. I love the irony in the fact the idiotic contract Hendry gave to Lily may be the reason the cubs can't re-sign Zambrano. Although I think both players will have new teams, at this point I believe Zambrano is less likely to sign an extension with the cubs than Buehrle with the White Sox. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yankees sign them both. :angry: :angry: :angry:

Whitesox029
02-13-2007, 12:46 AM
Is Zambrano turning Costanza on us and referring to himself in the third person? I love it. Carlos Zambrano likes spicy chicken..
Gosh darn it, I wanted to be the first one to make a Seinfeld reference in this thread. Oh well.

CARLOS IS GETTING UPSET.

Optipessimism
02-13-2007, 12:46 AM
That 3rd person speak reminds me of someone else:
http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/03/carey/the%20rock.jpg

chisoxmike
02-13-2007, 01:00 AM
This is all bull****. The Cubs are going to resign him to a muti-year mega dollar deal. There is no doubt in my mind.

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 01:05 AM
Unless the Cubs are willing to tie up half a billion dollars over the next four years, Zambrano is gone. And if, and they won't, if the Cubs do resign him the Bleacher Bums better get ready to shell out fifty bucks for a ticket...and probably about seventy on "prime" dates. No idiot is goign to pay that kinda money for a ball game. This is where spending forty million dollars on guys like Marquis and Lilly comes back to bite you.

QCIASOXFAN
02-13-2007, 01:07 AM
This is all bull****. The Cubs are going to resign him to a muti-year mega dollar deal. There is no doubt in my mind.
Your right, but for me its going to be fun to scare my Cubs friends for the time being.:cool:

DSpivack
02-13-2007, 01:54 AM
Unless the Cubs are willing to tie up half a billion dollars over the next four years, Zambrano is gone. And if, and they won't, if the Cubs do resign him the Bleacher Bums better get ready to shell out fifty bucks for a ticket...and probably about seventy on "prime" dates. No idiot is goign to pay that kinda money for a ball game. This is where spending forty million dollars on guys like Marquis and Lilly comes back to bite you.

Forty million was just to get four years of Ted Lilly (Mr. League Average) alone. Another $21 million was spent to sign Jason (I had two good years with the Cardinals but couldn't make the postseason roster of an 83 win team) Marquis.

DrCrawdad
02-13-2007, 01:56 AM
Britt Burns thinks that anyone who refers to themselves in the third person should be banned form the game on general principles.

:redneck

Zambraino, the player that gets celebrated for his on-field tirades and gesticulating by Cubbie fans & Cubbie broadcasters while out of the other side of their mouths they condemn non-Cubbie players for acting similarly.

If Zambraino does not sign, it will be fun to sit back and watch the Cubune artillery turn on Zambraino.

StillMissOzzie
02-13-2007, 02:04 AM
:redneck

If Zambraino does not sign, it will be fun to sit back and watch the Cubune artillery turn on Zambraino.

Good point, Doc. We peons may have a glimpse of how the negotiations for a contract extention are faring when the Cubune starts greasing the skids for one of their smear campaigns.

At the end of the day, though, I think that it's all negotiation posturing and puffery, and the Cubune vault doors will swing open for a 6 or 7 year, $100M deal. What's another $100M for somebody decent when you've already committed $300M for a lot less?

SMO
:gulp:

Steelrod
02-13-2007, 02:19 AM
6-7 at 100 million will not get the job done!

IndianWhiteSox
02-13-2007, 05:48 AM
I guess it's not about the money.

I hope he signs to the Cardinals or the Astros just to hear all the things they would say about him then.

veeter
02-13-2007, 10:05 AM
They'll sign him. Then the media can have two weeks of material. 'Hendry is a genius', 'The cubs dynasty begins', 'Big 'Z' to stay, Big 'Z' to win'. I can see it now. Meanwhile, they've only kept a piece they've already had.

WizardsofOzzie
02-13-2007, 10:24 AM
No matter where he is in the country, God will always be right above him, so he can do that ****ing annoying point-at-the-sky bull**** anywhere.

:rolleyes:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5452/greatsoxfansog8dl4.jpg

Definitely one of my favorite pictures of all time :D:

This is all bull****. The Cubs are going to resign him to a muti-year mega dollar deal. There is no doubt in my mind.
I have no idea how much money Hendry has to spend. It seems like they are the new Yankees, but i really have doubts that they are going to cough up the 100+ million for 6-7 years that Zambrano will demand, and rightfully so since they offered such insane contracts to people with an 1/8th of the talent he's shown

Jerko
02-13-2007, 10:27 AM
Guys quit posting that pic. The Sox LOST that day because Contreras couldn't keep the OTHER guy in that pic in the yard.............

WizardsofOzzie
02-13-2007, 10:29 AM
Another 3rd person reference at the end of the article :rolleyes:

"[Cubs general manager] Jim [Hendry] spent a lot of money. I hope he has more for 'Big Z.'"

WizardsofOzzie
02-13-2007, 10:30 AM
Guys quit posting that pic. The Sox LOST that day because Contreras couldn't keep the OTHER guy in that pic in the yard.............
Cant help it, it makes me laugh everytime :redface:

giganticHead
02-13-2007, 10:32 AM
Let's make this national speak in third person day!

My prediction...A six year contract so Carlos Zambrano can start to complain about it after the second year.

itsnotrequired
02-13-2007, 10:32 AM
If he didn't sign with the Cubs, wouldn't he be gone anyway? Cubs have rights on him this year and if he doesn't sign a deal with them, he'll sign with someone else next season. I mean, it isn't like he will retire. Or is he saying that if they don't sign him long-term before the season starts, he won't entertain any further offers from the club? Because that's a BS statement anyway. If they offered him 6 yr/$110 in the middle of the season, he wouldn't take it? Gimmie a break...

gobears1987
02-13-2007, 10:32 AM
Guys quit posting that pic. The Sox LOST that day because Contreras couldn't keep the OTHER guy in that pic in the yard.............
The Sox lost that day because Ozzie had to put Rob Mackowiak in CF. Rob should never be placed in CF by Ozzie. That is BA's spot.

thedudeabides
02-13-2007, 10:34 AM
This is all bull****. The Cubs are going to resign him to a muti-year mega dollar deal. There is no doubt in my mind.

I couldn't agree more. There is no way they let him walk and go through Maddux part two. They have the money and letting him go would be taking as big a step backwards as possible.

Kogs35
02-13-2007, 10:41 AM
Let's make this national speak in third person day!
.

carlos liston would be very happy if it was national speak in third person day!!!

slavko
02-13-2007, 10:43 AM
They're usually better than this at keeping these negotiations under the radar, which is easy when you control most of the local media. Let the games begin! (But they will not let Humble Carlos go.)

White Sox Randy
02-13-2007, 10:45 AM
This is all bull****. The Cubs are going to resign him to a muti-year mega dollar deal. There is no doubt in my mind.

Exactly. What do the flubs care if they give him 10 years for $ 200 million ? The team has nothing but money. Their divison and league is weak. If the flubs happen to win anything they can sell the team for $ 600 million instead of $ 450 million.

dwalteroo
02-13-2007, 10:48 AM
What's the over/under on Z's injury following his big signing? If he does sign, I give it til the All-Star Break.

D. TODD
02-13-2007, 10:48 AM
This is a good business move by Zambrano. I don't care for his antics on the field, but he has preformed big time and put himself in position to make a mint. Now with some leverage he's putting some pressure on Cubbie brass. Like KGB said in Rounders "PAY THAT MAN HIS MOOONEY!"

areilly
02-13-2007, 11:16 AM
The Sox lost that day because Ozzie had to put Rob Mackowiak in CF. Rob should never be placed in CF by Ozzie. That is BA's spot.


Rob went 1-for-3 that day with a walk and an RBI. The Sox lost that day because of this:


CUBS 8TH: Hairston grounded out (pitcher to first); On a bunt Pierre singled to shortstop; Cedeno singled to right [Pierre to third]; COTTS REPLACED CONTRERAS (PITCHING); Walker forced Cedeno (second to shortstop) [Pierre scored]; Barrett tripled to right [Walker scored]; Jones homered [Barrett scored]; POLITTE REPLACED COTTS (PITCHING); Ramirez popped to third; 4 R, 4 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 6, White Sox 4.


Errors that day were by Crede and Konerko. BA in center only would've meant the Good Guys lose 7-3 instead of 7-4.

mshake10
02-13-2007, 11:23 AM
Actually, I think he's refering to the triple by Barrett that was just out of Mak's reach. If Anderson catches that, that's three less runs for the Cubs in the inning, regardless of the fielding mistakes by Uribe or Konerko.

RockyMtnSoxFan
02-13-2007, 11:24 AM
I think this story will only get funnier when the flubs sign him for 7 years $130M (because Big Z is obviously better than Zito) and then he gets injured and puts up Lily numbers. At least they can use him as a pinch hitter.

Pierzynski 12
02-13-2007, 11:25 AM
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5452/greatsoxfansog8dl4.jpg

Definitely one of my favorite pictures of all time :D:


Classic pic!:rolling:

mshake10
02-13-2007, 11:39 AM
Classic pic!:rolling:
Wouldn't it be great if we had tons of pics like that, in that we're mocking an annoying player on a day that he beats us?

Seriously, that sends the wrong message. Fan fun is more important that winning? No.

WizardsofOzzie
02-13-2007, 11:41 AM
Wouldn't it be great if we had tons of pics like that, in that we're mocking an annoying player on a day that he beats us?

Seriously, that sends the wrong message. Fan fun is more important that winning? No.
Who said it was? That picture was taken when we were winning the game and the fans were into it. It doesn't change the fact that even if we won that game, we wouldn't have come close to making the playoffs. Zambrano didn't beat the Sox. The Sox beat themselves. :dtroll: :tealtutor:

ChiSoxLifer
02-13-2007, 11:51 AM
No idiot is goign to pay that kinda money for a ball game. This is where spending forty million dollars on guys like Marquis and Lilly comes back to bite you.


You're kidding me right? 3 million people paid through the nose to watch a 96 loss team. Never underestimate them.

1917
02-13-2007, 11:54 AM
Is Zambrano turning Costanza on us and referring to himself in the third person? I love it. Carlos Zambrano likes spicy chicken..

Carlos loves the Velvet Fog!

Risk
02-13-2007, 12:15 PM
You're kidding me right? 3 million people paid through the nose to watch a 96 loss team. Never underestimate them.

Exactly. The fact that so many stupid people get together year in and year out and gleefully part with their money to watch half-assed, piss poor play should never be understated. Never underestimate the raw, mind-numbing asinine stupidity of idiots in large numbers.

Risk

The Critic
02-13-2007, 12:19 PM
This is an awesome thread! That's what The Critic thinks.
WSI has had a lot of classic threads, I just hope they have a few more for The Big C!

:redneck

Also, add me to the list of people who think there's no way the Cubs let "Big Z" leave. I just can't see them closing the vault on "Big Z" when they've overpaid so many other guys.

WizardsofOzzie
02-13-2007, 12:21 PM
This is an awesome thread! That's what The Critic thinks.
WSI has had a lot of classic threads, I just hope they have a few more for The Big C!

:redneck

Also, add me to the list of people who think there's no way the Cubs let "Big Z" leave. I just can't see them closing the vault on "Big Z" when they've overpaid so many other guys.

I'd like to thank you for enabling me to shoot Pepsi up into my nose and have everyone at work look at me like I'm crazy. :roflmao:

viagracat
02-13-2007, 12:22 PM
This is a good business move by Zambrano. I don't care for his antics on the field, but he has preformed big time and put himself in position to make a mint. Now with some leverage he's putting some pressure on Cubbie brass. Like KGB said in Rounders "PAY THAT MAN HIS MOOONEY!"

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I wouldn't mind seeing Zambrano in a Sox uniform if he can't work it out with the Cubs. We have a couple of starters that will probably enter free agency after the season ourselves. Like him or not, he's a hell of a good pitcher who's a horse and eats innings.

I think more than a few WSI posters that currently call him Zambozo will have nothing but good things to say about him if he goes 18-7 with the Sox in 2008. :wink:

The Critic
02-13-2007, 12:23 PM
I'd like to thank you for enabling me to shoot Pepsi up into my nose and have everyone at work look at me like I'm crazy. :roflmao:
The Critic appreciates your Pepsi skills.
:D:

RedHeadPaleHoser
02-13-2007, 12:28 PM
I love this thread.

RHPH loves this thread.

RHPH loves his kung pao spicy.

RHPH is a religion, where others can worship, like his friend Carlos Liston.

RHPH believes the Cubs will lose Zambrano, only because they signed such talent like Ted Lilly.

The Big Z will be pitching for the Phillies. That's what RHPH believes.

soxfan13
02-13-2007, 12:29 PM
Wouldn't it be great if we had tons of pics like that, in that we're mocking an annoying player on a day that he beats us?

Seriously, that sends the wrong message. Fan fun is more important that winning? No.

Lighten up Francis. Yes winning is important but when you go to a game and spend the money you do. I am going to have fun. Hopefully my team wins in the end, but the bottom line is the fan should have fun.

soxfan13
02-13-2007, 12:31 PM
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I wouldn't mind seeing Zambrano in a Sox uniform if he can't work it out with the Cubs. We have a couple of starters that will probably enter free agency after the season ourselves. Like him or not, he's a hell of a good pitcher who's a horse and eats innings.

I think more than a few WSI posters that currently call him Zambozo will have nothing but good things to say about him if he goes 18-7 with the Sox in 2008. :wink:

I agree!!!

Jurr
02-13-2007, 12:33 PM
I find it hilarious that a team like the Cubs would spend the money they did and get such poor ceiling for that money. It's numbing to think about.

I will always say that if a team loads up on players that are fat and happy from their contracts or prior performance, they're not going to buy into the team concept.

Look at the '05 Sox. Konerko was finishing out a contract. Dye was an oft injured castoff. Pierzynski was "the man without a team". El Duque couldn't stay healthy. Everett was noted as being a bad apple. Contreras was cast away by the Yankees. Those guys had something to prove, and they all did it.

The Cubs just gave HUGE contracts to a bunch of guys that haven't even proven much yet! Do you think those guys are going to go out there and "try to justify their contracts?" Do they have anything to prove now that they suckered the Cubs for 10M+ per season? The only guy on that roster that really has something to prove is Kerry Prior, the two headed body cast.

I really believe that this project is going to fall flat on its face. Pittsburgh is getting better, St.Louis will be hanging around, and Houston will find a way to stay respectable. All at the expense of the Cubs and their baseball-impaired fans and management.

skottyj242
02-13-2007, 12:46 PM
Skotty likes beer.

Jurr
02-13-2007, 12:49 PM
Skotty likes beer.
You guys are some sillies. :bandance:

TornLabrum
02-13-2007, 01:08 PM
Exactly. The fact that so many stupid people get together year in and year out and gleefully part with their money to watch half-assed, piss poor play should never be understated. Never underestimate the raw, mind-numbing asinine stupidity of idiots in large numbers.

Risk

For a second I thought you were talking about the WSI vs. SoxTalk softball game in May. :redneck

WizardsofOzzie
02-13-2007, 01:23 PM
WizardsofOzzie thinks....:threadrules:

maurice
02-13-2007, 01:40 PM
Uribe: "The court order will allow me to be in AZ for Spring Training."
Trib-ese: "The court order may force Uribe to miss Spring Training."

Buehrle: "Somebody mediot wrote that I'm a goner, but I really want to return and think we can work something out."
Trib-ese: "Don't buy Sox tickets, because Buehrle is a goner. He'll certainly be traded or dumped as a FA, and he's the only good pitcher they have left."

Zambrano: "If the Cubs don't give me Zito money in the next 6 weeks, I'm gone."
Trib-ese: "The free-spending Cubs are certain to re-sign Zambrano, who is only 1 of 22 good Cubs pitchers."

RedHeadPaleHoser
02-13-2007, 01:47 PM
Zambrano: "If the Cubs don't give me Zito money in the next 6 weeks, I'm gone."
Trib-ese: "The Cubs are certain to re-sign Zambrano, and are STILL in the works to talk to Barry Zito, who relishes pitching at the Friendly Confines."

I tuned your translator for you a bit. :D:

russ99
02-13-2007, 02:56 PM
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that Arbitration hearing...

Hendry: We love the way the guy pitches, but it's obvious he's a headcase.

Zambrano: When you're a great pitcher and have talent, you deserve the money no matter who gives it to you

Hendry: The guy's unprofessional, and who knows when he's going to completely fly off the handle... That's not the kind of thing we want in our "family" ballpark.

Zambrano : Jim spent a lot of money. I hope he has more for 'Big Z'.

esbrechtel
02-13-2007, 04:49 PM
Another 3rd person reference at the end of the article :rolleyes:
I think it is worse that he called himself "BIG Z":rolleyes:

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 04:57 PM
You're kidding me right? 3 million people paid through the nose to watch a 96 loss team. Never underestimate them.
They're not going to show up to the ball park if a ticket to the bleachers against a team like the Padres costs fifty bucks or an infield seat costs one hundred bucks. Zambrano is gone. Where can the Cubs possibly hope of finding the kind of money they need to resign him? ANd if the Cubs do resign him, they would have five hundred million dollars tied up over the next four years which means they couldn't sign another free agent.

98navigator
02-13-2007, 05:21 PM
This is nothing but posturing by Zambrano. He's not going anywhere because the cubs are going to sign him longterm before opening day.

santo=dorf
02-13-2007, 06:02 PM
Guys quit posting that pic. The Sox LOST that day because Contreras couldn't keep the OTHER guy in that pic in the yard.............
Wrong. Cotts gave up a homer to a guy who can't hit lefties to save his life, but loves hitting the Sox.

When Zambrano pitches against us he usually gets a bunch of run support or a really wide plate from Angel Hernandez.


/still upset at Manuel for pulling Colon in the 2003 Sunday game at Pigley.

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 06:13 PM
This is nothing but posturing by Zambrano. He's not going anywhere because the cubs are going to sign him longterm before opening day.
With what money?

cws05champ
02-13-2007, 06:30 PM
How long will it take the trib to link Buehrle to the Cubs after the season if Zambrano doesn't sign?
Report 7/25/07: Bruce Le"vine line" reports thats Buehrle is interested in staying in Chicago, but may sign with the Cubs to replace Zambrano after the season. " Buehrle loves Chicago and wants to stay, but since the Sox are in full salary dump mode, the Cubs have the inside track."

Buehrle in a Cubs uni would make me :puking:

bigfoot
02-13-2007, 06:34 PM
With what money?


The money that the future, owner to be named later, will be paying for the next 6-8 years.

Anyone else here think that TribCo board would be screaming fiscal murder if there wasn't a firmly negotiated deal to sell some, if not all of TribCo?

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 07:21 PM
The money that the future, owner to be named later, will be paying for the next 6-8 years.

Anyone else here think that TribCo board would be screaming fiscal murder if there wasn't a firmly negotiated deal to sell some, if not all of TribCo?
I haven't heard anything about a new owner, one deal just fell apart. And unless that owner takes over before Spring Training...Zambrano is gone.

98navigator
02-13-2007, 08:19 PM
With what money?

Oh come on, regardless of the Tribune's problems, the Chicago National League Baseball club is highly profitable. They have money hand over fist. If they want to sign Zambrano longterm they will do it without batting an eye and raise ticket prices next year to help pay for it all... The cubs are second to only the Red Sox in ticket prices and they are also the third (behind NYY and BOS) most popular road team in the MLs. It's ridiculous.:angry::mad:

Timmy D's
02-13-2007, 08:39 PM
I forsee the price of wine coolers goin up at the urinal this season.

98navigator
02-13-2007, 08:45 PM
I forsee the price of wine coolers goin up at the urinal this season.

Yeah, and another thing, I advise Sox fans to stay away from their concerts because that's just pure profit that they don't have to share with other teams. Don't go. :gulp:

TheOldRoman
02-13-2007, 09:24 PM
You're kidding me right? 3 million people paid through the nose to watch a 96 loss team. Never underestimate them.
I agree, but the tide has started to turn, and the Trib knows it. Winning would be a bonus for them, but their key focus this offseason has been winning the PR war. They did it by spending close to $300 million on garbage. The Cubs may have sold 3 million tickets last year, but the number of people in the stands was WAY less than that. Throughout August and September, roughly 10-15k Cubs fans per game showed their team spirit by coming dressed as empty green seats. After watching the Sox celebrate in 05, and then watching that crap, the sheep were mad. The Trib knew all it took to keep the sheep happy was throw money at very bad players and overhype it.
The Cubs will still have a losing record, but at least they will give the fans hope. If the trib did nothing, and the Sox won 90 games again, heads would roll at the Tribune Tower.

Brian26
02-13-2007, 09:38 PM
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I wouldn't mind seeing Zambrano in a Sox uniform if he can't work it out with the Cubs.

If the Sox can't sign Buehrle, Garcia (before trade), Garland, Dye or Crede to long-term deals, how/why would they sign Zambrano?

gobears1987
02-13-2007, 09:43 PM
Rob went 1-for-3 that day with a walk and an RBI. The Sox lost that day because of this:


CUBS 8TH: Hairston grounded out (pitcher to first); On a buntPierre singled to shortstop; Cedeno singled to right [Pierre to third]; COTTS REPLACED CONTRERAS (PITCHING); Walker forced Cedeno (second to shortstop) [Pierre scored]; Barrett tripled to right [Walker scored]; Jones homered [Barrett scored]; POLITTE REPLACED COTTS (PITCHING); Ramirez popped to third; 4 R, 4 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Cubs 6, White Sox 4.


Errors that day were by Crede and Konerko. BA in center only would've meant the Good Guys lose 7-3 instead of 7-4.Rob misread a ball and allowed it to fall. It didn't count as an error because the way they score errors really sucks. Had he made the catch, no runs would've been scored that inning.

itsnotrequired
02-13-2007, 09:56 PM
Rob misread a ball and allowed it to fall. It didn't count as an error because the way they score errors really sucks. Had he made the catch, no runs would've been scored that inning.

:rolleyes:

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 10:05 PM
I agree, but the tide has started to turn, and the Trib knows it. Winning would be a bonus for them, but their key focus this offseason has been winning the PR war. They did it by spending close to $300 million on garbage. The Cubs may have sold 3 million tickets last year, but the number of people in the stands was WAY less than that. Throughout August and September, roughly 10-15k Cubs fans per game showed their team spirit by coming dressed as empty green seats. After watching the Sox celebrate in 05, and then watching that crap, the sheep were mad. The Trib knew all it took to keep the sheep happy was throw money at very bad players and overhype it.
The Cubs will still have a losing record, but at least they will give the fans hope. If the trib did nothing, and the Sox won 90 games again, heads would roll at the Tribune Tower.
If the Cubs lose ninety games again (a task they are perfectly capable of doing again), that franchise is in trouble. Especially if the Sox keep winning (again which they are perfectly capable of doing). The Cubs really rely on the Sox being mediocre because the people who go to Wrigley Field and are from Chicago aren't baseball fans, they are people who don't really care and want to be seen and are really just backing the marketable franchise. But if the Sox all of a sudden start winning consistently, well then the Sox are drawing a crowd and Comiskey becomes to the place to be seen (not to mention the fact that it is cheaper) so why go to Wrigley and pay more to see a last place team? Then you'll be seeing more crowds of twenty thousand at Wrigley especially in April-May and August-September...but if the Cubs win the division again, then they're in okay shape.

PeteWard
02-13-2007, 10:37 PM
Gosh darn it, I wanted to be the first one to make a Seinfeld reference in this thread. Oh well.

CARLOS IS GETTING UPSET.

Check out David Cross' "Ricky Henderson" from his CD "Shut up you ****ing baby" Funniest thing I've heard on mornic jocks referring to themselves in the third person.

Oldfellah
02-13-2007, 10:38 PM
If the Sox can't sign Buehrle, Garcia (before trade), Garland, Dye or Crede to long-term deals, how/why would they sign Zambrano?

Who said they can't sign them? A friend of a friend? of another friend? (Substitute friend for news source at any time)

Nah,,, Just let the season unfold before you say "they can't". If Zambutt is acquirable, I'm sure he can fill out the 5th spot just fine. That's after he battles a few noteworthies in ST.:gulp:

PeteWard
02-13-2007, 10:40 PM
This is nothing but posturing by Zambrano. He's not going anywhere because the cubs are going to sign him longterm before opening day.

Zambrano posturing? Shocking!

Maybe if he points to heaven more Jesus will come down and sign him.

Brian26
02-13-2007, 10:42 PM
If the Cubs lose ninety games again (a task they are perfectly capable of doing again), that franchise is in trouble.

:rolleyes:
The Cubs could lose 100 games for the next ten years in a row, with the Sox winning three or four World Series, and the Flubs would still be the more popular team. As long as they play in that dump, they'll be a cash-cow for the Tribune Co. or whoever owns them at the time. Losing seasons only make them more popular. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Brian26
02-13-2007, 10:44 PM
Who said they can't sign them? A friend of a friend? of another friend? (Substitute friend for news source at any time)

Nah,,, Just let the season unfold before you say "they can't". If Zambutt is acquirable, I'm sure he can fill out the 5th spot just fine. That's after he battles a few noteworthies in ST.:gulp:

I have no idea what your point is.

And I have a feeling you don't either.

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 10:51 PM
:rolleyes:
The Cubs could lose 100 games for the next ten years in a row, with the Sox winning three or four World Series, and the Flubs would still be the more popular team. As long as they play in that dump, they'll be a cash-cow for the Tribune Co. or whoever owns them at the time. Losing seasons only make them more popular. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I assure you, if the Sox CONTINUE WINNING (that is the key, they don't just need to have a better record, they need to make the playoffs) and the continue to lose 90+ games, the Cubs will not continue to draw three million a year. I'm not saying they're going to be drawing as low as the Sox circa 1998, but they won't keep averaging 3 million because people aren't that stupid when it comes to money. To maintain a payroll big enough to support the contracts of Soriano, Zambrano, Marquis and Ted Lilly ticket prices are going to have to go up and continue to rise. And if the Cubs keep losing ninety games people will stop and say "Do I really want to shell out three hundred bucks take my family to see a team that is 15 games under five hundred?" ESPECIALLY in April and May (when it is cold) and August and September (when school starts up again). The Cubs have only brought three million people into the park (not just tickets sold, into the ball park) three times: 2003, 2004 and 2005. 2004 and 2005 were due to the 2003 season with people saying '04 was the year and then after the collapse of '04, they were pinning their hopes in '05 (remember a lot of experts predicted them to make the playoffs that year). In 2006 there were nights of a half filled park at Wrigley, and if the Cubs continue to do poorly you will see more of those nights. Especially if ticket prices keep rising which they will HAVE TO if they want to resign Zambrano. Cub fans maybe stupid but when they realize they're going to have shell out five hundred bucks to take their family to a game (tickets+parking+food), they're going to stop and say "Wait a minute..."

Brian26
02-13-2007, 10:55 PM
I assure you, if the Sox CONTINUE WINNING (that is the key, they don't just need to have a better record, they need to make the playoffs) and the continue to lose 90+ games, the Cubs will not continue to draw three million a year. I'm not saying they're going to be drawing as low as the Sox circa 1998, but they won't keep averaging 3 million because people aren't that stupid when it comes to money.

Yes they are. The mystique will only grow. This isn't 1979 anymore.

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 11:06 PM
Yes they are. The mystique will only grow. This isn't 1979 anymore.
If Cub ticket prices continue to rise (as they must if they want to have two hundred million dollar tied up with TWO guys) then eventually you're gonna see a bleacher ticket for a regular day game cost fifty bucks (it's already forty-five for their "prime" games) which means that paying for tickets for a family of four alone is going to cost two hundred bucks. Throw food and parking on top of that, you're looking at about a five hundred dollar day at the yard. People are going to look at that and say "Whoa! I wonder if the Kane County Cougars are in town!" People aren't going to dish out five hundred bucks to see a ninety loss team. They aren't. And that's why Zambrano is going to go, because to keep him will mean that ticket prices are going to go through the roof and if the Cubs keep stringing together these ninety loss season, people just aren't going to pay that kind of money.

soltrain21
02-13-2007, 11:10 PM
for a family of four alone is going to cost two hundred bucks. Throw food and parking on top of that, you're looking at about a five hundred dollar day at the yard.




Three hundred bucks on parking and food? What the hell are they ordering?

50-60 bucks...MAYBE. 20 for parking....30-40 for food.

98navigator
02-13-2007, 11:19 PM
Three hundred bucks on parking and food? What the hell are they ordering?

50-60 bucks...MAYBE. 20 for parking....30-40 for food.

Some idiot will be paying those prices without food or parking.

...Prices range from $8 for an upper-deck reserved outfield seat for one of the seven "value" dates in April and September to $255 for a premium dugout box for one of the 46 "prime" dates from April through August.Link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-0702070101feb07,1,6488028.story?coll=chi-sportsbaseball-hed)

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 11:22 PM
Three hundred bucks on parking and food? What the hell are they ordering?

50-60 bucks...MAYBE. 20 for parking....30-40 for food.
The average price of a baseball game currently for a family of four is about $250. I just kinda doubled it. But here, let me attempt to be logical...let's say the tickets cost two hundred bucks for a family of four, and parking around Wrigley is about $50 (depending on how close you park to the yard, but let's say for the sake of arguement that you park in a lot two or three blocks away) so now you're down two fifty. A hot dog at Wrigley was about three bucks in 2004, a medium pop was about 2.50. So let's say everyone gets two hot dogs (regular hot dogs, not Kosher hot dogs which are about four bucks) so that's another thirty four dollars. Now you're down 284...and let's say on top of that you get ice cream, which is about...I think, I think at Wrigley an ice cream cone is about 3.50, so that's another fourteen, now you're down 298. Plus four bags of peanuts at two dollars a bag is eight bucks, so now you're down 306. So assuming you don't get seconds, souveniers or beer an average trip to the bleachers at Wrigley Field is going to cost a family of four $306 and I think that's just more than a family is willing to pay and THAT is why Zambrano is going to leave the Cubs because the Trib. knows that people aren't goign to pay that much to see the Cubs.

WhiteSox5187
02-13-2007, 11:24 PM
Some idiot will be paying those prices without food or parking.

Link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-0702070101feb07,1,6488028.story?coll=chi-sportsbaseball-hed)
I'm assuming though that they're going to have to raise the prices though to keep Zambrano....but I must say, eight dollars for a ticket in the upper reserved is rather reasonable, even if for only SEVEN games.

gobears1987
02-13-2007, 11:32 PM
:rolleyes:
Come on. He completely misplayed a ball that BA or any other competent defender in CF would've caught. Since he didn't make contact with it, the official scorer didn't rule it an error.

TheOldRoman
02-14-2007, 12:17 AM
:rolleyes:
The Cubs could lose 100 games for the next ten years in a row, with the Sox winning three or four World Series, and the Flubs would still be the more popular team. As long as they play in that dump, they'll be a cash-cow for the Tribune Co. or whoever owns them at the time. Losing seasons only make them more popular. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I agreed with this before October 26, 2005. However, I have seen things change. Last year there was a lot of gnashing of teeth coming from Cubs fans. There were a lot of empty seats (even after people had paid for them). Many of the actual fans were getting fed up, and many of the "lifelong since 2003" people switched bandwagons.
Obviously, the Sox will never have the "busses full of old ladies from Iowa" as Hangar phrased it, or the tourist going to see a "shrine". They also won't get the upity snobs who act as if being a Cubs fan makes them superior human beings, but they can survive without it. Things have changed. The Cubune felt it, which is why they spent the $300 million this year.

HotelWhiteSox
02-14-2007, 12:52 AM
I'm assuming though that they're going to have to raise the prices though to keep Zambrano....but I must say, eight dollars for a ticket in the upper reserved is rather reasonable, even if for only SEVEN games.

Those are the ones their scalpers...err I mean 'fans' :unsure:... eat up in seconds and then resell at 70% markup. Oh yeah, I forgot they do that with most of their tickets. Funny how the year after the White Sox win the World Series and htir team does nothing again, they set a new record for shortest time to sell out

CLR01
02-14-2007, 01:06 AM
The average price of a baseball game currently for a family of four is about $250. I just kinda doubled it. But here, let me attempt to be logical...let's say the tickets cost two hundred bucks for a family of four, and parking around Wrigley is about $50 (depending on how close you park to the yard, but let's say for the sake of arguement that you park in a lot two or three blocks away) so now you're down two fifty. A hot dog at Wrigley was about three bucks in 2004, a medium pop was about 2.50. So let's say everyone gets two hot dogs (regular hot dogs, not Kosher hot dogs which are about four bucks) so that's another thirty four dollars. Now you're down 284...and let's say on top of that you get ice cream, which is about...I think, I think at Wrigley an ice cream cone is about 3.50, so that's another fourteen, now you're down 298. Plus four bags of peanuts at two dollars a bag is eight bucks, so now you're down 306. So assuming you don't get seconds, souveniers or beer an average trip to the bleachers at Wrigley Field is going to cost a family of four $306 and I think that's just more than a family is willing to pay and THAT is why Zambrano is going to leave the Cubs because the Trib. knows that people aren't goign to pay that much to see the Cubs.


Logically why is a budget conscious family of four buying bleacher seats and why are they paying $50 dollars to park close instead of walking or using public transportation? Logically why are they buying 8 hot dogs, 4 sodas, 4 bags of peanuts, 4 ice cream cones, 11 jerseys, 28 pennants and a jar of dirt Sammy once slid across?

Why are hypothetical families of 4 always buying so much crap? Logically they are probably going to sit in the upper tank and attend a value or regular priced game. They'll eat before or after the game. If they buy peanuts it will probably be one bag. Dad and little Johnny will eat most of it, Mom won't have any and little Sally will probably snack on 3 or 4 before she starts to feel fat. Dad gets a beer during the 3rd inning, 1 souvenir Coke for Johnny, 1 Sprite for mom and 1 small diet for Sally (who probably doesn't really care that they are at the game anyway so why would she want a cup). Dad, Mom and Johnny will have hot dogs, Sally eats a few more peanuts. Dad grabs another beer, game over.

New price- under $130

itsnotrequired
02-14-2007, 06:46 AM
Come on. He completely misplayed a ball that BA or any other competent defender in CF would've caught. Since he didn't make contact with it, the official scorer didn't rule it an error.

Was the ball misplayed? Certainly.

Is it an error as defined by the rules? Nope.

Did the Official Scorer make the right call? Absolutely.

cws05champ
02-14-2007, 08:25 AM
Look at the Tribune headlines this morning:

" Cubs don't fret over Zanbrano threat"

Now they are trying to spin this so Cubs fans don't get too riled up before tickets go on sale in another week. One thing I found particularly odd:

Third baseman Aramis Ramirez signed a $75 million, five-year deal with the Cubs in November on the first day of free agency, leaving as much as $60 million on the table after canceling a meeting that night with the Angels.


They are trying to tell us that a deal worth $135 million was out there for Ramirez, and the Cubs got him for a bargin basment price of $75 Million. So the same will happen with Zambrano.....

itsnotrequired
02-14-2007, 08:30 AM
They are trying to tell us that a deal worth $135 million was out there for Ramirez, and the Cubs got him for a bargin basment price of $75 Million. So the same will happen with Zambrano.....

I find it hard to believe that the Angles would have been willing to pay Ramirez $135 million.

WizardsofOzzie
02-14-2007, 08:41 AM
I find it hard to believe that the Angles would have been willing to pay Ramirez $135 million.
Or that Ramirez would actually not take the extra $60 million, and get away from the Cubs. It's win win!

IndianWhiteSox
02-14-2007, 11:04 AM
Yes they are. The mystique will only grow. This isn't 1979 anymore.

You're right, but just remember that they are sCrUB fans who don't know any better.

If Cub ticket prices continue to rise (as they must if they want to have two hundred million dollar tied up with TWO guys) then eventually you're gonna see a bleacher ticket for a regular day game cost fifty bucks (it's already forty-five for their "prime" games) which means that paying for tickets for a family of four alone is going to cost two hundred bucks. Throw food and parking on top of that, you're looking at about a five hundred dollar day at the yard. People are going to look at that and say "Whoa! I wonder if the Kane County Cougars are in town!" People aren't going to dish out five hundred bucks to see a ninety loss team. They aren't. And that's why Zambrano is going to go, because to keep him will mean that ticket prices are going to go through the roof and if the Cubs keep stringing together these ninety loss season, people just aren't going to pay that kind of money.

One can only hope that would be the case.

Look at the Tribune headlines this morning:

" Cubs don't fret over Zanbrano threat"

Now they are trying to spin this so Cubs fans don't get too riled up before tickets go on sale in another week. One thing I found particularly odd:



They are trying to tell us that a deal worth $135 million was out there for Ramirez, and the Cubs got him for a bargin basment price of $75 Million. So the same will happen with Zambrano.....


It's the Cubune, those people have very little common sense, and their following are lemmings.

gobears1987
02-14-2007, 11:07 AM
Was the ball misplayed? Certainly.

Is it an error as defined by the rules? Nope.

Did the Official Scorer make the right call? Absolutely.
I'm not saying the Official Scorer made the wrong call. I was really saying that the rule should be changed so that similar plays are in the future are scored as errors. If that catch was made, those runs wouldn't have scored.

mshake10
02-14-2007, 01:32 PM
I'm not saying the Official Scorer made the wrong call. I was really saying that the rule should be changed so that similar plays are in the future are scored as errors. If that catch was made, those runs wouldn't have scored.
So the rule should be changed so that outfields who run bad routes should be charged with an error.

The number of official errors in a game is going to double! Pitcher ERAs are going to drop a complete point.

MincHiaPettito
02-14-2007, 02:18 PM
Rest assured, Bruce Levine reporting earlier that even if it goes to free agency, he would still consider the Cubs. They are trying to sugarcoat this anyway possible. Tis funny to compare how similar situations on different sides of town

ilsox7
02-14-2007, 02:27 PM
So the rule should be changed so that outfields who run bad routes should be charged with an error.

The number of official errors in a game is going to double! Pitcher ERAs are going to drop a complete point.


It's stupid to think it would actually happen and it shouldn't happen (not saying you think it should or will happen). It's a game of fantasy, really. You cannot give errors for a bad read on a ball. This is one of the big reasons why statistics (fielding %, ERA, etc) do not tell the entire story. People who actually watch the game know when a guy has poor range or gets a bad read on balls. Not every little fricking detail can be quantified. Sometimes you actually do have to watch the ballgame to figure out if a pitcher may be better or worse than his ERA or if an OF gets good or bad jumps on the ball. Relying on statistics to do so is flawed, stupid, and lazy. It's been that way for over 100 years and will be that way for the next 100 years.

maurice
02-14-2007, 02:54 PM
Look at the Tribune headlines this morning:

C'mon, don't you remember all the acticles about Buehrle's impending free agency that told Sox fans not to worry, citing the Konerko re-signing and the fact that he declined more money from Baltimore?
:rolleyes:

98navigator
02-14-2007, 06:20 PM
Rest assured, Bruce Levine reporting earlier that even if it goes to free agency, he would still consider the Cubs. They are trying to sugarcoat this anyway possible. Tis funny to compare how similar situations on different sides of town

I think it is different. KW and Buehrle had a public spat at Sox Fest so it's hard for them to down play his rumored departure (even though Kenny apologized later for how he handled that situation). Plus, the speculation about others not returing is amplified by the reported near-trade of Garland to the Astros for prospects. I think I would have lost it if that trade had gone through! :?: At least the deal with Zambrano is still on positive terms (unless they actually take him to arbitration, in which case things can get very contentious).

jabrch
02-14-2007, 08:37 PM
Back on point - I'd be stunned to see them let Zambrano go. They have the money - I'm sure they will spend it.

mshake10
02-14-2007, 10:45 PM
Back on point - I'd be stunned to see them let Zambrano go. They have the money - I'm sure they will spend it.
They'll probably end up deferring a ton of it. Say $25 million of it, paying $2.5 a year from 2020-2030.

gobears1987
02-14-2007, 11:34 PM
They'll probably end up deferring a ton of it. Say $25 million of it, paying $2.5 a year from 2020-2030.
It's not going to happen like that.

Inflation will make $2.5 million today seem like $1 million by 2030. That's why lotteries love it when people accept the 30 year payout. By 30 years, the million dollar payout isn't worth even close to what it was at the time the lottery was won.

mshake10
02-14-2007, 11:40 PM
It's not going to happen like that.

Inflation will make $2.5 million today seem like $1 million by 2030. That's why lotteries love it when people accept the 30 year payout. By 30 years, the million dollar payout isn't worth even close to what it was at the time the lottery was won.
That's why most of these deffered payments have interest on them. I've seen between 2 and 6 percent. No matter the amount, some will have to be deferred.

Hitmen77
02-16-2007, 09:38 AM
You're kidding me right? 3 million people paid through the nose to watch a 96 loss team. Never underestimate them.

I agree, but the tide has started to turn, and the Trib knows it. Winning would be a bonus for them, but their key focus this offseason has been winning the PR war....

I agree. This is the Trib's main concern. 2005 was a big jolt to get the tide turning, but also the Sox ballpark is now well liked and their neighborhood is dramatically improving. Even WGN isn't as big of an advantage for the Cubs anymore as the Cubs have move more games to cable and more and more people have access to cable. From the '80s through 2004, the Cubs had huge draws in Harry Caray and then Sosa. They are both long gone.

The Trib is very worried about what a sustained run of 90+win seasons by the Sox and continued huge losses by the Cubs will do to their stranglehold on Chicago. I think in the end they'll overpay if necessary to keep Zambrano.

maurice
02-16-2007, 12:54 PM
Yeah, despite the Trib's best efforts at spin control, the Cubs took a huge hit in market share after the Sox WS win. There was a chance that things could revert after the 2006 season, but the Cubs tanked and interest in the Sox remains very high (judging by pre-season ticket sales and the Trib's increasingly desperate efforts to discourage them). That's why they went on a huge spending spree. Another 96-loss season, and the tide could turn permanently, damaging the value of the team and compromising the Trib's ability to sell off this asset in the near future.

WizardsofOzzie
02-19-2007, 05:49 PM
"Big Z" update:
Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn) starting pitcher Carlos Zambrano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6559) said he expects to sign a one-year contract before Tuesday's scheduled arbitration hearing. "I think it's 85 to 90 percent that we don't go to arbitration," Zambrano said Monday.http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2771372&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

He'll probably sign around 13.5 for the year. Thats what Wizards of Ozzie thinks :redneck

itsnotrequired
02-19-2007, 06:09 PM
"Big Z" update:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2771372&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

He'll probably sign around 13.5 for the year. Thats what Wizards of Ozzie thinks :redneck

13.25 is the midway point between the club and player numbers.

98navigator
02-20-2007, 05:12 PM
The Score says they settled before the arbitration hearing for around $12.5M

WizardsofOzzie
02-20-2007, 05:46 PM
The Score says they settled before the arbitration hearing for around $12.5M
Damn i was only a million off. Either way, i can't believe he didn't hold out for more

cheeses_h_rice
02-20-2007, 05:56 PM
Helluva signing by the Cubs, compared to some of the **** they've picked up this offseason.