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thomas35forever
02-11-2007, 02:28 PM
With Erstad likely batting leadoff until Pods comes back, how good is he at stealing bases (or at running for that matter)?

IndianWhiteSox
02-11-2007, 02:41 PM
He used to be a monster back in the day but now, I'm don't think he's more than average.

StatManDu
02-11-2007, 02:48 PM
I remember Erstad being an aggressive baserunner with above average but not blazing speed. Maybe it's becasue they share a football background but Erstad reminds me a lot of Kirk Gibson on the basepaths.

His speed and whether he plays in center or is just limited to a corner outfield spot depends on the health of his legs and if those legs allow him to sprint to the alleys.

I am intrigued by Erstad's acquisition. I am hoping Erstad takes advantage of his joining the Sox the same way the healing Ellis Burks and Jermaine Dye did in the past.

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Arkham
02-11-2007, 02:49 PM
In 2005 (his last full season) he swiped 10 bags in 13 attempts. Not terrible, decent speed, but given that Scioscia (sp?) is a pretty aggressive manager with regards to baserunning, I assume Erstad had the green light, but decided to pick his spots rather than go whenever.

ondafarm
02-11-2007, 03:09 PM
As I've said a few times in the past in these forums, its not base stealing which is critical in a lead-off guy, it is the threat of base stealing. The lead-off hitter needs to be disruptive.

Can Erstad do that remains an open question.

Domeshot17
02-11-2007, 03:50 PM
Erstad isnt a great base stealer anymore, maybe 15-20 in a full season after his injuries and age factored in. However, he is an incredible base runner. He knows how to run the bases. When the take the extra base, when not too, who to run on, his base running instincts are top notch. This should further be helped by Windmill no longer the 3rd base coach.

SouthSide_HitMen
02-11-2007, 04:38 PM
As long as he gets on base, everything else is gravy.

On Base %:

2004 .346
2005 .325
2006 .279

*Inserts Homefish graph*

As a fill in / backup (especially as someone who can play center field), I am happy with Erstad. If he is a year long regular, we are in trouble.

esbrechtel
02-11-2007, 04:53 PM
:hawk
I loooove smart base runners.....

eriqjaffe
02-11-2007, 05:50 PM
Whenever I hear anybody talk about how great Erstad is on the basepaths, I get this image in my head:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1353/alcsgame3photo11xy2.jpg

Optipessimism
02-11-2007, 07:08 PM
I don't think we need Erstad to be a threat on the basepaths. He needs to find a way to grind out a few basehits.

Grzegorz
02-11-2007, 07:19 PM
Whenever I hear anybody talk about how great Erstad is on the basepaths, I get this image in my head:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1353/alcsgame3photo11xy2.jpg

Well, he never had Gibson speed but he has been successful in the past. He looked bad on this play but he'd been having leg problems for a while at that point.

Hopefully he has healed up and begun training (I've heard good things about his work ethic).

RedHeadPaleHoser
02-11-2007, 09:07 PM
I don't think we need Erstad to be a threat on the basepaths. He needs to find a way to grind out a few basehits.

I agree with this. It's not that I don't want a base stealer, but if he leads off and gets on base, then he can get moved over via hit and run, bunt, etc....

Get them on, get them over, get them in. It won the 2005 World Series; no reason it cannot happen in 2007.

esbrechtel
02-11-2007, 10:10 PM
Whenever I hear anybody talk about how great Erstad is on the basepaths, I get this image in my head:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1353/alcsgame3photo11xy2.jpg
thats not fair Joe is really good, the best base runner wouldn't stand a chance...:redneck

Jerome
02-11-2007, 11:07 PM
As long as we're not trading Jon Garland for him:o: :tongue:

102605
02-12-2007, 12:09 AM
I am intrigued by Erstad's acquisition. I am hoping Erstad takes advantage of his joining the Sox the same way the healing Ellis Burks and Jermaine Dye did in the past.

Remember to pull out this post in 6 months.

The Erstad signing will be in the same fashion as aquiring El Duque, AJ, Dye, or Hermanson before the 2005 season.

A major difference maker.

This guy hit .355 a few years back. Injuries have bugged him recently but looking at KW's track record for picking up guys bouncing back makes me think Erstad was a much bigger signing than we might have thought.

esbrechtel
02-12-2007, 12:18 AM
Remember to pull out this post in 6 months.

The Erstad signing will be in the same fashion as aquiring El Duque, AJ, Dye, or Hermanson before the 2005 season.

A major difference maker.

This guy hit .355 a few years back. Injuries have bugged him recently but looking at KW's track record for picking up guys bouncing back makes me think Erstad was a much bigger signing than we might have thought.
agreed...

Domeshot17
02-12-2007, 01:49 AM
agreed...

and thirded. When I heard this, I thought JERMAINE DYE right away. A guy almost everyone gave up on after an injury or 2, and forgot how good he was.

Arkham
02-12-2007, 02:47 AM
I don't think Dye is a particularly good comparison for Erstad. Dye had several good-to-great seasons before his injuries caused him problems in Oakland, then came here and had a good season followed by a great season. Erstad had a couple good seasons, then a great season, then two full injury-free years where he never came close to approaching his fluke performance in 2000. Dye's down years were struggles to return from injuries, whereas Erstad has simply failed to have an 'up' year for the better part of a decade, no matter how healthy he's been.

Lillian
02-12-2007, 08:06 AM
I agree with Domeshot, esbrechtel, and especially 102605.
It is not true that he "has simply failed to have an 'up' year for the better part of a decade, no matter how healthy he's been".

As recently as 2004 he hit .346 (88/254) from June through August.
He did that despite missing 31 games on the DL from June 14th, and finishing with a .202 average in 104 at bats in September.
Anyone who can hit .355 in a 676 AB season, and .346 in 254 AB's, while being hampered with hamstring problems, has proven his ability.

He is not old enough to be considered "washed up". If he is healthy, it is perfectly reasonable to expect him to hit at least as well as he did, as recently as three seasons ago. I'd take his overall .295 avg. and .346 OBP for that season, wouldn't you?

It is reasonable to question his health, but it seems very unfair to say that he is washed up, and too old to be a factor. I assume that Sox management has much more insight than any of us do, regarding his current physical condition. Let's just hope that he is, and stays healthy.

ondafarm
02-12-2007, 09:03 AM
The Sox need more high OBP guys. Erstad fills the bill.

Arkham
02-12-2007, 09:24 AM
No, he doesn't. As recently as 2004, (three years ago, people), his OBP was 'high' if you only include half the season as Lillian has done. In the three years BEFORE that, his OBP was .331, .313 and .309 respectively. Since 2004, they've been .325 and .279.