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caulfield12
01-20-2007, 04:18 AM
"I can promise you two things," general manager Jim Hendry told a packed ballroom at the Chicago Hilton. "We're going to be good, and we're going to stay good."

from chicagosports.com

In unrelated news, Carlos Zambrano has a new perm and wants Zito money. LOL.

And Mark Prior is throwing.

DumpJerry
01-20-2007, 08:24 AM
"Good" is a subjective term. Winning 66 games is "good" when you consider that the little league team at my neighborhood park would not win that many in the National League.

Hendry was careful to not state "we will win more than 60 games this year." That would haunt him.

caulfield12
01-20-2007, 09:12 AM
Don't you have to win at least 82 games to be considered good?

WizardsofOzzie
01-20-2007, 09:23 AM
Don't you have to win at least 82 games to be considered good?

Or at least make a serious run at making it to the playoffs, which the cubs won't do with their little league rotation and HR friendly field

jamokes
01-20-2007, 09:43 AM
Pretty soon someone in the cub organization will realize that Hendry is the problem.

Hitmen77
01-20-2007, 10:01 AM
"I can promise you two things," general manager Jim Hendry told a packed ballroom at the Chicago Hilton. "We're going to be good, and we're going to stay good."

from chicagosports.com

In unrelated news, Carlos Zambrano has a new perm and wants Zito money. LOL.

And Mark Prior is throwing.

I'm sooo glad the Cubs Convention is being overshawdowed by the Bears this year. That much less Cubs tripe I have to hear about.

Unfortunately, all the Cubs really need to shoot for is about 82 or 83 wins. On the contrary, I don't think 90 wins will be enough (once again) for the Sox to make the playoffs.

Frater Perdurabo
01-20-2007, 11:06 AM
I'm reasonably confident the Cubs are the best team...

...within their own organization.

I mean, really, they ought to win a seven game series against each of their minor league affiliates.

Taliesinrk
01-20-2007, 11:09 AM
oh yeah.. that is awesome.. not only will hendry not live that one down.. neither will any of the cubs fans i know..

tick53
01-20-2007, 12:09 PM
Pretty soon someone in the cub organization will realize that Hendry is the problem.


I agree. I've been saying that for a long time.

Beer Can Chicken
01-20-2007, 12:31 PM
The NL Central is going to be horrible this year. IMO, the division is up for grabs and even the scrubbies have a chance to win the division.

WhiteSox5187
01-20-2007, 12:43 PM
The Cubs HAVE improved, but are still an injury away from being a ninety loss team. They have no pitching. But that NL Central is up for grabs. But, this is why they play the games.

AJ Hellraiser
01-20-2007, 12:43 PM
The NL Central is going to be horrible this year. IMO, the division is up for grabs and even the scrubbies have a chance to win the division.

Agreed... Cardinals have gotten worse... I do like what the Astros did but they are still nothing special... Reds, Pirates, and Brewers all suck...

kevin57
01-20-2007, 12:45 PM
I agree that given the horrible state of the NL Central, the Cubs do have a decent shot at making the playoffs, and probably drawing inspiration from the Cards of 2006, once there, anything is possible? :o:

Still, to read Paul Sullivan's continued gushing about this team is nauseating.

oeo
01-20-2007, 01:03 PM
"I can promise you two things," general manager Jim Hendry told a packed ballroom at the Chicago Hilton. "We're going to be good, and we're going to stay good."

from chicagosports.com

In unrelated news, Carlos Zambrano has a new perm and wants Zito money. LOL.

And Mark Prior is throwing.

I laughed when I saw him say that last night on SportsNite. Mostly because he then walked away from the podium like a badass.

veeter
01-20-2007, 01:03 PM
What more can you say about this time of year with the cubs. I wish I could leave the country.

dickallen15
01-20-2007, 01:07 PM
I hate the Cubs but its funny that no matter what they do to try to improve the team, it is considered the dumbest move in baseball history by the majority of this board. Yet when Kenny Williams has a problem with his bullpen and ships out 2 starters and gets guys like Aardsma, Sisco, Floyd, Danks and Masset, he is considered a genius. If Hendry acquired those players, he would be laughed at by this board without any question. The NL sucks. The Cubs don't have to be very good to have a shot, and when you get that shot anything can happen. Ask the Cardinals.

btrain929
01-20-2007, 01:34 PM
I hate the Cubs but its funny that no matter what they do to try to improve the team, it is considered the dumbest move in baseball history by the majority of this board. Yet when Kenny Williams has a problem with his bullpen and ships out 2 starters and gets guys like Aardsma, Sisco, Floyd, Danks and Masset, he is considered a genius. If Hendry acquired those players, he would be laughed at by this board without any question. The NL sucks. The Cubs don't have to be very good to have a shot, and when you get that shot anything can happen. Ask the Cardinals.

it sure doesnt seem like it with the paragraph that followed....
and sisco didnt come in the trade for the 2 starters.
thanks, and g'night :angry:

Flight #24
01-20-2007, 02:12 PM
"I can promise you two things," general manager Jim Hendry told a packed ballroom at the Chicago Hilton. "We're going to be good, and we're going to stay good."

from chicagosports.com

In unrelated news, Carlos Zambrano has a new perm and wants Zito money. LOL.

And Mark Prior is throwing.

I'd be very very careful. The Schlubs may not be a good team, but they don't need to be to make the playoffs. And if they get there, and by some stroke of luck, Prior has October as one of his "healthy & productive" months, they could hit the playoffs with a solid O, 2 top-tier starters, and a halfway decent pen.

The worst-case scenario for the Sox would be for the team to struggle and what I wrote above to come true for the crosstown rival.

Frater Perdurabo
01-20-2007, 03:05 PM
I hate the Cubs but its funny that no matter what they do to try to improve the team, it is considered the dumbest move in baseball history by the majority of this board. Yet when Kenny Williams has a problem with his bullpen and ships out 2 starters and gets guys like Aardsma, Sisco, Floyd, Danks and Masset, he is considered a genius. If Hendry acquired those players, he would be laughed at by this board without any question. The NL sucks. The Cubs don't have to be very good to have a shot, and when you get that shot anything can happen. Ask the Cardinals.

I disagree. Before October 2005, Hendry garnered much of WSI's respect - primarily for his ability to fleece the Pirates - and KW often received ridicule.

Hendry deserves ridicule now because has grossly overpayed a glorified two-tool DH and career journeyman pitchers. Those were bad baseball moves IMHO.

If KW had done exactly what Hendry did this offseason, I'd be ripping him to shreds for dumping good money after bad, likely preventing him from being able to sign franchise cornerstones like Buehrle, Garland, Crede and Dye in future years.

I don't think KW is a genius for his deals this offseason, but I'm willing to suspend judgment pending performance of the players involved. Furthermore, I do understand the logic of his moves.

Finally, KW has earned our respect. Throughout his tenure, the Sox always have remained in contention in the superior American League, despite not having a massive payroll (other than in 2006) and not having high draft position. Most importantly, he delivered a World Series champion. Hendry has one NLCS choke job and seasons of crap while playing 60% of the divisional schedule against dregs like the Reds, Pirates and Brewers, plus all the rest of the smegma of the NL, with a much larger payroll.

caulfield12
01-20-2007, 03:47 PM
What is "smegma"?

dwalteroo
01-20-2007, 04:03 PM
Sure, the Cubs *could* have a good year. But I think what will be most telling about the Cubs this year is that no matter how good they do, as long as they get better, their fans will be happy. That's what going to be so incessantly annoying come October, Cubs fans saying "hey, but we improved," and still showing up at Wrigley and buying in. At what point will they stop supporting mediocrity?

My hope is that the Sox face the Cubs one day in the WS during my lifetime. Man, that would be sweet....

daveeym
01-20-2007, 04:33 PM
I'm sooo glad the Cubs Convention is being overshawdowed by the Bears this year. That much less Cubs tripe I have to hear about.

Unfortunately, all the Cubs really need to shoot for is about 82 or 83 wins. On the contrary, I don't think 90 wins will be enough (once again) for the Sox to make the playoffs.
The cubs marketing guy was quoted in the redeye as saying the cubs convention with soriano and lou is going to be like the beatles in '64. They definitely drink the kool aid over there.

areilly
01-20-2007, 06:01 PM
I hate hate HATE the Cubs, but I'm going to call it now: Cubs take the NL Central with less than 88 wins.

Look at the rest of that division and tell me anyone else has a shot. The Cardinals are now essentially the same team as the Cubs, the Astros lost their two best pitchers, and I'm not even going to bring those other three teams into this. Not yet, anyway.

Unfortunately, the Cubs (on paper) have a better shot at being a playoff team than almost anyone in either league - that's the "being good" part. The second part of that quote is where I think Hendry is going to get into trouble.
Cards and Astros brass is smarter, and I don't think the Brewers and Pirates are all that far off from contention either.

Banix12
01-20-2007, 08:12 PM
Nothing seems to come back to haunt Hendry. A little quote is meaningless. If anything should come back to haunt him it should be his strange obsession with giving mediocre players multiyear contracts. Neifi, Rusch last year. This year marquis and some could argue it was odd to give so much to Mark DeRosa after only one good season.

And despite most years having very high first round draft picks they have not been able to develop hitting at all (not just in Hendry's tenure, I'm talking for about two decades here) and they can't develop pitchers that stay healthy. And when they do actually develop pitchers, they either trade them to other teams for usually very little in return, or they just keep bouncing them from the major league team to AAA over and over again and never really let them develop at the MLB level.

If all of that can't stick to Jim Hendry and come back to haunt him, nothing will.

Him saying they'll be good for a long time is a total lie. You need to be able to develop your own players at some point to sustain success. And it's actually rather sad, they have had some astonishingly good talent in that organization but they can't develop it for themselves.

HotelWhiteSox
01-20-2007, 08:34 PM
I laughed when I saw him say that last night on SportsNite. Mostly because he then walked away from the podium like a badass.

and the expression on his face of 'holy ****, they bought it'

...


again

gaelhound
01-20-2007, 09:15 PM
Sure, the Cubs *could* have a good year. But I think what will be most telling about the Cubs this year is that no matter how good they do, as long as they get better, their fans will be happy. That's what going to be so incessantly annoying come October, Cubs fans saying "hey, but we improved," and still showing up at Wrigley and buying in. At what point will they stop supporting mediocrity?

My hope is that the Sox face the Cubs one day in the WS during my lifetime. Man, that would be sweet....
And forget the money! Play that one with "loser leaves town" as the stake!

WhiteSox5187
01-20-2007, 09:36 PM
Sure, the Cubs *could* have a good year. But I think what will be most telling about the Cubs this year is that no matter how good they do, as long as they get better, their fans will be happy. That's what going to be so incessantly annoying come October, Cubs fans saying "hey, but we improved," and still showing up at Wrigley and buying in. At what point will they stop supporting mediocrity?


As long as Wrigley Field is still standing, they won't. Wrigley Field has become a mecca to tourists and out of town baseball fans alike. Some Cub fans DO go there, but the vast majority either can't get tickets or don't want to support mediocrity. But usually for every Cub fan like that, there are three who are willing to support the mediocrity so long as the sun is shining and the beer is cold. The Cubs have made their marketing points to be Wrigley Field and LOSING! They are called the Loveable Losers, for Christ sake! They make it seem cute! Like "oo, look at how it happened this time! Ain't it a shame!" If what happened to the Cubs in '03 happened to the Sox, there would be mass suicide on the southside or at least a lot of people foaming at the mouth calling for the head of Alex Gonzalez not the Bartman ball. Cub fans smile, shake their heads and say "Ah well, we'll get 'em next year!" Then make an event out of blowing up the ball. Not on the southside, or anywhere else for that matter. Maybe LA.

caulfield12
01-20-2007, 10:18 PM
As long as Wrigley Field is still standing, they won't. Wrigley Field has become a mecca to tourists and out of town baseball fans alike. Some Cub fans DO go there, but the vast majority either can't get tickets or don't want to support mediocrity. But usually for every Cub fan like that, there are three who are willing to support the mediocrity so long as the sun is shining and the beer is cold. The Cubs have made their marketing points to be Wrigley Field and LOSING! They are called the Loveable Losers, for Christ sake! They make it seem cute! Like "oo, look at how it happened this time! Ain't it a shame!" If what happened to the Cubs in '03 happened to the Sox, there would be mass suicide on the southside or at least a lot of people foaming at the mouth calling for the head of Alex Gonzalez not the Bartman ball. Cub fans smile, shake their heads and say "Ah well, we'll get 'em next year!" Then make an event out of blowing up the ball. Not on the southside, or anywhere else for that matter. Maybe LA.

I could see this happening in Boston too, for some reason.

CubKilla
01-20-2007, 10:29 PM
The Cubs will choke and some NL Central team that no one sees coming (that'll have decent to slightly above average SP and an above average BP) will win the NL Central. Book it.

rwcescato
01-20-2007, 10:36 PM
"I can promise you two things," general manager Jim Hendry told a packed ballroom at the Chicago Hilton. "We're going to be good, and we're going to stay good."

from chicagosports.com

In unrelated news, Carlos Zambrano has a new perm and wants Zito money. LOL.

And Mark Prior is throwing.

The only two things he should have said is World series Champs. But that will never happen. LOL.

DumpJerry
01-20-2007, 10:40 PM
The Brewers will win the NL Central. Why not?

FedEx227
01-20-2007, 10:47 PM
The Brewers will win the NL Central. Why not?

With a healthy and more consistent Ben Sheets, why not? They have one of the better pitching coaches in the league and have finally found some consistency in their offense thanks to Bill Hall and Prince Fielder. Rickie Weeks steps up and it's a race :bandance:

CubsfansareDRUNK
01-20-2007, 10:48 PM
The Cubs will choke and some NL Central team that no one sees coming (that'll have decent to slightly above average SP and an above average BP) will win the NL Central. Book it.

The Brewers will win the NL Central. Why not?

^^^^^

AJ Hellraiser
01-21-2007, 12:27 AM
What is "smegma"?

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Banix12
01-21-2007, 01:00 AM
With a healthy and more consistent Ben Sheets, why not? They have one of the better pitching coaches in the league and have finally found some consistency in their offense thanks to Bill Hall and Prince Fielder. Rickie Weeks steps up and it's a race :bandance:

I was about to say. The brewers young hitters have another year under their belt which can only be a good thing. The pitching rotation is probably the best top to bottom rotation in the division right now, especially if Sheets returns.

The big question with the Brewers is can their bullpen hold up. They look fine at closer now with Cordero but they used a lot of pitchers last season in middle relief.

Nellie_Fox
01-21-2007, 01:01 AM
Don't you have to win at least 82 games to be considered good?90. One game over is fair, not good.

veeter
01-21-2007, 08:11 AM
I have an updated quote that will come back to haunt Hendry. 'Hendry has also praised the Cubs' bullpen as "the best in the National League." I just hope and pray they keep Hendry around. This guy is gold.

viagracat
01-21-2007, 10:23 AM
What's the guy supposed to say at his own fan convention? "We're gonna suck this year, deal with it"? :?:

I remember the trashing JR got when he did the "White Flag" deal and justified that by saying the Sox didn't have a chance. And rightfully so. Optimism always abounds until mathematical elimination. At least in team's messages to their fans. Most people here at WSI would not tolerate official negativity or inaction from the White Sox, and the same is true for all other MLB teams (I know, are the Cubs really an MLB team? :D: )

The Cubs probably will be better this year and may even compete in a weak NL Central, but they'll get eaten by the big dogs sooner or later. The world order won't be usurped this year. :cool:

Go Sox.

veeter
01-21-2007, 11:49 AM
There's a difference between being positive and flat out lying. Why didn't he just say the cubs were coming off a great year, while he was at it? The cubs bullpen is really bad. First and foremost because Ryan Dempster may be the worst closer in baseball. Hendry should just say political things like, "our bullpen is really going to work hard to improve." I just don't understand how the writers keep a straight face, as this chump constantly blows smoke.

palehozenychicty
01-22-2007, 12:19 PM
The Cubs will choke and some NL Central team that no one sees coming (that'll have decent to slightly above average SP and an above average BP) will win the NL Central. Book it.

Now that the Pirates have LaRoche, do not sleep on the Pirates. Just don't do it.

palehozenychicty
01-22-2007, 12:21 PM
"I can promise you two things," general manager Jim Hendry told a packed ballroom at the Chicago Hilton. "We're going to be good, and we're going to stay good."

from chicagosports.com

In unrelated news, Carlos Zambrano has a new perm and wants Zito money. LOL.

And Mark Prior is throwing.

Now we should be worried. :cool:

itsnotrequired
01-22-2007, 12:33 PM
Now we should be worried. :cool:

Anyone can throw a towel.

:tongue: