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DumpJerry
01-18-2007, 06:39 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6381654?FSO1&ATT=HMA

One can only hope!

Jjav829
01-18-2007, 06:44 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6381654?FSO1&ATT=HMA

One can only hope!

The dream of Barry in a White Sox uniform is still alive!

eastchicagosoxfan
01-18-2007, 06:47 PM
In a country that loves to forgive people, and hands out second chances at the first sign of humility, and a genuine apology, it amazes me that Barry Bonds ( or Pete Rose for that matter ) can't reach into their soul, and tell the truth.

RKMeibalane
01-18-2007, 07:00 PM
In a country that loves to forgive people, and hands out second chances at the first sign of humility, and a genuine apology, it amazes me that Barry Bonds ( or Pete Rose for that matter ) can't reach into their soul, and tell the truth.

That's the problem with people like Rose or Bonds, though. Both men are so arrogant that the idea of admitting their mistakes has never crossed their minds. In fact, it would surprised to learn that both believe that they are entitled to do whatever they please, regardless of the cost to anyone else.

It's going to be nice watching Bonds, Rose, McGwire, Sosa, and the rest of these liars fade into mist, as the true legends of baseball- Gwynn, Ripken, Griffey, Thomas, Bagwell, etc.- take their place amongst baseball's all-time greats.

Fenway
01-18-2007, 07:14 PM
That article by Murray Chase in yesterdays Times has Red Sox fans in a panic because of what he wrote in the first paragraph

On Baseball (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/sports/baseball/17chass.html)
Unsigned Bonds Awaits Further Review (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/sports/baseball/17chass.html)

Six weeks after they agreed to terms on new contracts, Barry Bonds (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/barry_bonds/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and J. D. Drew remain unsigned. Bonds hasn’t signed with the Giants (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/sanfranciscogiants/index.html?inline=nyt-org); Drew hasn’t signed with the Red Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/bostonredsox/index.html?inline=nyt-org). That prompts a thought. If both contracts were to fall through, the Red Sox could sign Bonds to play left field and move Manny Ramírez (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/manny_ramirez/index.html?inline=nyt-per) back to his original position in right.

RKMeibalane
01-18-2007, 07:31 PM
That article by Murray Chase in yesterdays Times has Red Sox fans in a panic because of what he wrote in the first paragraph

On Baseball (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/sports/baseball/17chass.html)
Unsigned Bonds Awaits Further Review (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/sports/baseball/17chass.html)

Six weeks after they agreed to terms on new contracts, Barry Bonds (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/barry_bonds/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and J. D. Drew remain unsigned. Bonds hasn’t signed with the Giants (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/sanfranciscogiants/index.html?inline=nyt-org); Drew hasn’t signed with the Red Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/bostonredsox/index.html?inline=nyt-org). That prompts a thought. If both contracts were to fall through, the Red Sox could sign Bonds to play left field and move Manny Ramírez (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/manny_ramirez/index.html?inline=nyt-per) back to his original position in right.

The thought of those two trying to play in that outfield together is beyond hilarious. For all of his problems defensively, at least Manny knows how play balls off the monster. Bonds has no idea what he's in if he starts playing out there, and with Ortiz around, they can't hide him at DH. Boston will have the worst defensive outfield in baseball.

Vernam
01-18-2007, 07:39 PM
Six weeks after they agreed to terms on new contracts, Barry Bonds (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/barry_bonds/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and J. D. Drew remain unsigned. Bonds hasn’t signed with the Giants (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/sanfranciscogiants/index.html?inline=nyt-org); Drew hasn’t signed with the Red Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/bostonredsox/index.html?inline=nyt-org). That prompts a thought. If both contracts were to fall through, the Red Sox could sign Bonds to play left field and move Manny Ramírez (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/manny_ramirez/index.html?inline=nyt-per) back to his original position in right.The only thing that would please me more is to see Bonds join Sosa in Texas. That would really shift the balance of the AL West. Literally, I mean -- those guys must way 500 pounds between them. That's the start of a decent NFL offensive line if either could find a helmet to fit.

I'd be surprised if the players' union doesn't raise a huge stink if SF or Boston follows through with reneging on the contracts.

Vernam

Daver
01-18-2007, 08:16 PM
I'd be surprised if the players' union doesn't raise a huge stink if SF or Boston follows through with reneging on the contracts.

Vernam

The MLBPA won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Drew failed a physical, he doesn't have a leg to stand on, and MLBPA wants no associtiation with Bonds at all.

StillMissOzzie
01-19-2007, 01:35 AM
The thought of those two trying to play in that outfield together is beyond hilarious. For all of his problems defensively, at least Manny knows how play balls off the monster. Bonds has no idea what he's in if he starts playing out there, and with Ortiz around, they can't hide him at DH. Boston will have the worst defensive outfield in baseball.

Hell, I doubt that the Boston lockerroom is large enough to fit those two massive egos, let alone having them "patrol" (in the LOOSEST definition of the word) the outfield.

SMO
:gulp:

oeo
01-19-2007, 07:55 AM
That article by Murray Chase in yesterdays Times has Red Sox fans in a panic because of what he wrote in the first paragraph

On Baseball (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/sports/baseball/17chass.html)
Unsigned Bonds Awaits Further Review (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/sports/baseball/17chass.html)

Six weeks after they agreed to terms on new contracts, Barry Bonds (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/barry_bonds/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and J. D. Drew remain unsigned. Bonds hasn’t signed with the Giants (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/sanfranciscogiants/index.html?inline=nyt-org); Drew hasn’t signed with the Red Sox (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/baseball/majorleague/bostonredsox/index.html?inline=nyt-org). That prompts a thought. If both contracts were to fall through, the Red Sox could sign Bonds to play left field and move Manny Ramírez (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/manny_ramirez/index.html?inline=nyt-per) back to his original position in right.

Nothing like competing with the Cubs for the worst possible defensive outfield, ever.

FedEx227
01-19-2007, 09:45 AM
The current Manny in RF?!!? Oh my god. Boston might need to construct a 90 foot wall out there as well just to allow these guys to get balls.

itsjustinf
01-19-2007, 01:00 PM
I know the article said that if the Giant's back out, Bonds' could win a case by saying they dumped him based on the drug test, but with so many other reasons to not sign him (i.e. being a clubhouse cancer and a terrible outfielder) does anyone here think he'd actually have any sort of legal basis for a grievance?

PKalltheway
01-19-2007, 03:42 PM
MLBPA wants no associtiation with Bonds at all.
I don't think Bonds is even a part of the MLBPA, is he? Video game makers can't even use his name on games.

Vernam
01-19-2007, 08:25 PM
The MLBPA won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Drew failed a physical, he doesn't have a leg to stand on, and MLBPA wants no associtiation with Bonds at all.Has the union been that weakened by the steroid scandals? Or do you think they would have done nothing if the Bonds contract dispute had happened in, say, the early 90s? It's hard to imagine he won't complain loudly to Fehr if the Giants back out.

I'm not even remotely a labor lawyer, but my sense is that, by dragging the process out as spring training nears, the Red Sox would be on thin ice to just drop Drew without any compensation. IOW, I could see them reducing his contract due to the injury, but unless he concedes he's unable to play, their indecision before dropping him completely could be perceived as having done him harm in the marketplace. He's been unable to negotiate with other teams in the past few months, I assume? Rosters are getting locked in, and his options will be limited if Boston cuts him loose. Assuming Drew thinks he's still ready to play, the situation sounds a lot like Maggs's when he left the Sox -- I think Drew could make the case that the Red Sox have harmed his market value (as Maggs tried to claim), and now it sounds like they're giving Drew a revised deal with contingency clauses similar to what Ordonez got from Detroit.

As for whether Fehr would act on either of these, I wouldn't doubt you're right. But I think there was a time not long ago when the union wouldn't have stood by idly.

Vernam