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StatManDu
01-11-2007, 01:53 PM
ONES WHO GOT AWAY
Today (January 11th) marks two anniversaries of two players – Charlie Lea and Damon Berryhill -- who were drafted but went unsigned by the Sox who went on to contribute in the big leagues. Here is a look at some players of significance who were drafted but not signed by the Sox who went on to have noteworthy big league careers. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANYONE ELSE?? (I updated and corrected this list to remove Giambi WHO WAS NEVER DRAFTED BY THE SOX and to add Geoff Zahn ... Thanks to alert poster wilburaga to kindly pointing that out)

Player, position .............................Drafted by Sox
Johnny Oates, c………………2nd round, June 1966
Geoff Zahn, p...........................34th round, June 166
Mickey Rivers, cf……………1st round, January 1968
Duane Kuiper, ss…………….1st round, January 1970
Warren Cromartie, of………..7th round, June 1971
Willie McGee, of…………….7th round, June 1976
HubieBrooks, ss…………….1st round, June 1976
Charlie Lea, p………………..4th round, June 1977
Hubie Brooks, of…………….1st round, June 1977
Gary Gaetti, 3b………………3rd round, June 1978
Steve Buechele, ss…………...1st round, June 1979
Jimmy Key, p………………..10th round, June 1979
Tim Teufel, 2b……………….3rd round, June 1979
Calvin Schiraldi, p…………...17th round, June 1980
Damon Berryhill, c…………..13th round, January 1983
Eric Gagne, p………………..30th round, June 1994
J.J. Putz, p……………………3rd round, June 1995
Jeff Weaver, p………………..2nd round, June 1997
Tom Gorzelanny, p..................38th round, June 2000

FedEx227
01-11-2007, 02:14 PM
Tom Gorzelanny, p..................38th round, June 2000

This one may come back and bite us. I saw him work in Indianapolis (AAA affiliate of Pirates) last year and he's got some GOOD stuff, the Pirates are really looking forward to him, Ian Snell and Duke to make a somewhat reputable rotation. Thankfully they are the Pirates so maybe we can trade them Ruben Rivera for Gorzelanny.

caulfield12
01-11-2007, 02:32 PM
Some of the more recent ones were Bobby Hill, AJ Hinch, Bobby Seay and Jeff Weaver...of course, none of them have become stars, but I remember a lot of hand-wringing about Hinch and Seay in particular.

It would have been interesting to see what Giambi looked like when he was playing SS in high school.

Hitmen77
01-11-2007, 02:37 PM
Question: why did so many players get drafted but not signed by the Sox? The ones I'm familiar with are Weaver and Bobby Hill who were holding out for more money. Did all these signing fall through because of money? Is this kind of list common for MLB clubs?

You can add Bobby Hill to the list. Drafted by the Sox, didn't sign, and then drafted by the Flubs the following year. He became another in a long line of overrated, overhyped Cub prospects. He never amounted to anything, but the Cubs were able to use him and the Pirates stupidity to acquire Aramis Ramirez.

voodoochile
01-11-2007, 03:00 PM
It would have been interesting to see what Giambi looked like when he was playing SS in high school.

This was the most intriguing thing about this thread for me. Giambi as a SS? Wow... who woula' guessed? How many 250 lb SS are there? Things that make you go AH-HA!!!

WhiteSox5187
01-11-2007, 03:02 PM
What about guys like Norm Cash and Denny McLain?

munchman33
01-11-2007, 03:07 PM
Question: why did so many players get drafted but not signed by the Sox?


a lot of times players get drafted out of high school and then decide on college. teams go ahead and draft them anyways in later rounds on the off chance they can get them to sign. they didn't exactly "get away" so much as the team was taking a shot that something in their life might change their mind.

maurice
01-11-2007, 03:08 PM
Question: why did so many players get drafted but not signed by the Sox?

Many of the mid- and late-round guys would have been drafted higher, but they indicated that they intended to go to college and re-enter the draft later. Since a single mid- or late-round pick has very little value, teams often decide to take a chance that the guy will balk at college when he sees the potential signing bonus (like Todd Van Poppel, IIRC.) It usually doesn't work out, but it's worth a shot.

The Sox tried this recently with Danks' younger brother.

soxfan13
01-11-2007, 03:10 PM
ONES WHO GOT AWAY

Today (January 11th) marks two anniversaries of two players – Charlie Lea and Damon Berryhill -- who were drafted but went unsigned by the Sox who went on to contribute in the big leagues. Here is a look at some players of significance who were drafted but not signed by the Sox who went on to have noteworthy big league careers. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANYONE ELSE??

Player, position .............................Drafted by Sox
Johnny Oates, c………………2nd round, June 1966
Mickey Rivers, cf……………1st round, January 1968
Duane Kuiper, ss…………….1st round, January 1970
Warren Cromartie, of………..7th round, June 1971
Willie McGee, of…………….7th round, June 1976
HubieBrooks, ss…………….1st round, June 1976
Charlie Lea, p………………..4th round, June 1977
Hubie Brooks, of…………….1st round, June 1977
Gary Gaetti, 3b………………3rd round, June 1978
Steve Buechele, ss…………...1st round, June 1979
Jimmy Key, p………………..10th round, June 1979
Tim Teufel, 2b……………….3rd round, June 1979
Calvin Schiraldi, p…………...17th round, June 1980
Damon Berryhill, c…………..13th round, January 1983
Jason Giambi, ss…………….43rd round, June 1989
Eric Gagne, p………………..30th round, June 1994
J.J. Putz, p……………………3rd round, June 1995
Jeff Weaver, p………………..2nd round, June 1997
Tom Gorzelanny, p..................38th round, June 2000

Just wondering where you got this list. Its interesting

maurice
01-11-2007, 03:10 PM
This was the most intriguing thing about this thread for me. Giambi as a SS? Wow... who woula' guessed? How many 250 lb SS are there? Things that make you go AH-HA!!!

That would've been pre-roids. Lots of MLBers are former HS SS, just like lots of NFLers are former HS QBs. Imagine Carlton Fisk at SS.
:cool:

voodoochile
01-11-2007, 03:15 PM
That would've been pre-roids. Lots of MLBers are former HS SS, just like lots of NFLers are former HS QBs. Imagine Carlton Fisk at SS.
:cool:

Yeah, because often the best athlete played SS in HS and those are the guys who stand a chance to make it professionally. Same is true for pitchers who often play regular positions on their off days in HS and even college.

wilburaga
01-11-2007, 03:27 PM
ONES WHO GOT AWAY


Today (January 11th) marks two anniversaries of two players – Charlie Lea and Damon Berryhill -- who were drafted but went unsigned by the Sox who went on to contribute in the big leagues. Here is a look at some players of significance who were drafted but not signed by the Sox who went on to have noteworthy big league careers. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANYONE ELSE??

Player, position .............................Drafted by Sox
Johnny Oates, c………………2nd round, June 1966
Mickey Rivers, cf……………1st round, January 1968
Duane Kuiper, ss…………….1st round, January 1970
Warren Cromartie, of………..7th round, June 1971
Willie McGee, of…………….7th round, June 1976
HubieBrooks, ss…………….1st round, June 1976
Charlie Lea, p………………..4th round, June 1977
Hubie Brooks, of…………….1st round, June 1977
Gary Gaetti, 3b………………3rd round, June 1978
Steve Buechele, ss…………...1st round, June 1979
Jimmy Key, p………………..10th round, June 1979
Tim Teufel, 2b……………….3rd round, June 1979
Calvin Schiraldi, p…………...17th round, June 1980
Damon Berryhill, c…………..13th round, January 1983
Jason Giambi, ss…………….43rd round, June 1989
Eric Gagne, p………………..30th round, June 1994
J.J. Putz, p……………………3rd round, June 1995
Jeff Weaver, p………………..2nd round, June 1997
Tom Gorzelanny, p..................38th round, June 2000

Statman:

Probably the best player in this category that's not on the list is Geoff Zahn (34th round, 1966) who went on to win 111 games.

I don't think the Sox ever drafted Giambi. Retrosheet has the Brewers drafting him in the 43rd round in 1989. Either you're incorrect or Retrosheet is. Either way it's notable.

My favorite amateur draft history is the Sox' own Pete Varney, who was drafted and did not sign six times before the Sox finally got him. I guess he figured he was a Harvard boy and had options.


================================================== ====
Transaction History for Pete Varney


Selected by Kansas City Athletics in the 1st round (1st pick overall) of the
American Legion phase of free-agent draft - did not sign (August 24, 1966).

Selected by Houston Astros in the 1st round (1st pick overall) of the secondary
phase of free-agent draft - did not sign (January 28, 1967).

Selected by Houston Astros in the 3rd round of the secondary phase of free-agent
draft - did not sign (June 6, 1967).

Selected by Washington Senators in the 2nd round of the secondary phase of
free-agent draft - did not sign (June 5, 1969).

Selected by San Francisco Giants in the 2nd round of the secondary phase of
free-agent draft - did not sign (June 4, 1970).

Selected by Atlanta Braves in the 1st round (20th pick overall) of the secondary
phase of free-agent draft - did not sign (January 13, 1971).

Selected by Chicago White Sox in the 1st round (1st pick overall) of the secondary
phase active of free-agent draft (June 8, 1971).

Traded by Chicago White Sox to Atlanta Braves in exchange for Blue Moon Odom (June
15, 1976.
================================================== =

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TommyJohn
01-11-2007, 03:34 PM
What about guys like Norm Cash and Denny McLain?


These are guys who were picked in the amateur draft, which baseball didn't
start until 1965. Cash and McLain weren't drafted.

TommyJohn
01-11-2007, 03:39 PM
Duane Kuiper got his revenge by hitting the only home run of his entire
career off Steve Stone in 1977.

DaleJRFan
01-11-2007, 03:40 PM
Chris Duffy will soon be on this list.

ChiSoxLifer
01-11-2007, 03:47 PM
Yup, that guy Erig Gagne on your list had a few good years so far. I heard he didn't sign because he wanted to play hockey?

GAsoxfan
01-11-2007, 04:41 PM
[quote=StatManDu;1460002]
HubieBrooks, ss…………….1st round, June 1976
Charlie Lea, p………………..4th round, June 1977
Hubie Brooks, of…………….1st round, June 1977
/quote]

Is that right? Did Hubie Brooks turn down the Sox twice?

EastCoastSoxFan
01-11-2007, 04:45 PM
This was the most intriguing thing about this thread for me. Giambi as a SS? Wow... who woula' guessed? How many 250 lb SS are there? Things that make you go AH-HA!!!I seem to recall a 1985 Topps Team USA baseball card that listed one Mark McGwire as a shortstop...

WhiteSox5187
01-11-2007, 05:20 PM
These are guys who were picked in the amateur draft, which baseball didn't
start until 1965. Cash and McLain weren't drafted.
Ah. So did they play in the minors with the Sox and then were drafted?

StatManDu
01-11-2007, 07:25 PM
Cash played for the Sox while McLain never did. I have a list of surprising people who had Sox connections that I posted earlier if you'd like to see it.

champagne030
01-11-2007, 07:50 PM
[quote=StatManDu;1460002]
HubieBrooks, ss…………….1st round, June 1976
Charlie Lea, p………………..4th round, June 1977
Hubie Brooks, of…………….1st round, June 1977
/quote]

Is that right? Did Hubie Brooks turn down the Sox twice?

That's what I'm asking?

I wonder how much Veeck having no cash played a factor in the Sox not signing the high draft picks of 76-78. I was way too young to be following the draft back then, but I would think that funds had something to do with it. Or I could be completely ignorant about the whole situation.

StatManDu
01-11-2007, 09:31 PM
In the drafts before 1989, I perused the Baseball America Draft Almanac and kept a list. In my reporter days, I think I wrote a column on this subject around draft day sometime in the early 1990s. Since then, I have followed the draft on line, through Baseball America and its various publications.

~StatManDu

StatManDu
01-12-2007, 02:00 AM
Thanks to alert poster wilburaga, I need to revise and update my "Ones that Got Away list"

JASON GIAMBI WAS NOT DRAFTED BY THE WHITE SOX IN THE 1989 DRAFT ... IN DIGGING THROUGH MY BASEBALL AMERICA DRAFT ALMANAC, WHICH HAS A RIPPED BINDING, I SKIPPED A PAGE. A CARELESS MISTAKE. MY APOLOGIES.

I added Geoff Zahn, which was a great suggestion by wilburaga. Thanks to everyone for viewing and commenting on this list

ONES WHO GOT AWAY
Thursday marked two anniversaries of two players – Charlie Lea and Damon Berryhill -- who were drafted but went unsigned by the Sox who went on to contribute in the big leagues. Here is a look at some players of significance who were drafted but not signed by the Sox who went on to have noteworthy big league careers. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANYONE ELSE??

Player, position .............................Drafted by Sox
Johnny Oates, c………………2nd round, June 1966
Geoff Zahn, p...........................34th round, June 1966
Mickey Rivers, cf……………1st round, January 1968
Duane Kuiper, ss…………….1st round, January 1970
Warren Cromartie, of………..7th round, June 1971
Willie McGee, of…………….7th round, June 1976
HubieBrooks, ss…………….1st round, June 1976
Charlie Lea, p………………..4th round, June 1977
Hubie Brooks, of…………….1st round, June 1977
Gary Gaetti, 3b………………3rd round, June 1978
Steve Buechele, ss…………...1st round, June 1979
Jimmy Key, p………………..10th round, June 1979
Tim Teufel, 2b……………….3rd round, June 1979
Calvin Schiraldi, p…………...17th round, June 1980
Damon Berryhill, c…………..13th round, January 1983
Eric Gagne, p………………..30th round, June 1994
J.J. Putz, p……………………3rd round, June 1995
Jeff Weaver, p………………..2nd round, June 1997
Tom Gorzelanny, p..................38th round, June 2000

soxinem1
01-12-2007, 07:14 AM
Player, position .............................Drafted by Sox


HubieBrooks, ss…………….1st round, June 1976

Hubie Brooks, of…………….1st round, June 1977

I believe Steve Trout in 1976 an Harold Baines in 1977 were the White Sox #1 picks in those particular seasons.

I'm not sure wat this chart is supposed to mean.

Have you ever seen a 'what if' list for every MLB team, like the Indians passing on Dale Murphy, Garry Templeton, Lance Parrish, and Rick Sutcliffe to draft Tom Brennan in 1974? Or the Tigers passing on Ken Landreaux, Steve Trout, Bob James, Leon Durham, Pat Tabler, Mike Scioscia, and Bruce Hurst to pick Pat Underwood in 1976? Or that every team passed on Paul Molitor that same year for several rounds until MIL picked him?

That's the risk with drafting, especially 20-30 years ago when today's technology did not exist.

And Hubie wasn't that good to have to list him twice anyway:rolleyes:

soxinem1
01-12-2007, 07:38 AM
[quote=GAsoxfan;1460150]

That's what I'm asking?

I wonder how much Veeck having no cash played a factor in the Sox not signing the high draft picks of 76-78. I was way too young to be following the draft back then, but I would think that funds had something to do with it. Or I could be completely ignorant about the whole situation.

Veeck signed Harold Baines to a 40K bonus in 1977, which is still the lowest bonus ever given to a first in the nation pick.

Even then Harold wasn't greedy.

Parrothead
01-12-2007, 07:46 AM
Casey Schuler :D:

Garland_IS_God
01-12-2007, 08:31 AM
This one may come back and bite us. I saw him work in Indianapolis (AAA affiliate of Pirates) last year and he's got some GOOD stuff, the Pirates are really looking forward to him, Ian Snell and Duke to make a somewhat reputable rotation. Thankfully they are the Pirates so maybe we can trade them Ruben Rivera for Gorzelanny.
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I went to high school with Tom and wish he would have stayed with the Sox.

StatManDu
01-12-2007, 08:43 AM
Brooks was drafted by the Sox in the secondary phases of those drafts as opposed to the players you mentioned who were drafted in the regular phase. Not sure what the difference is but it may have to do with prior drafts.

As for what the list means, it is just a compilation of players of note drafted by the Sox who got away. Just an FYI or a thing that makes you go hmmmm.

skottyj242
01-12-2007, 10:31 AM
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