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SouthSide_HitMen
01-09-2007, 02:02 PM
Cal Ripken (98.5%)
Tony Gwynn (97.6%)

Both extremely high vote totals. Congratulations!!!

Rich Gossage just missed (71.2%). :(:

Nobody else was close (http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2007/election/results.htm). :o:

2007 BBWAA Hall of Fame Voting Results
Cal Ripken Jr. 537 98.5
Tony Gwynn 532 97.6
Rich Gossage 388 71.2
Jim Rice 346 63.5
Andre Dawson 309 56.7
Bert Blyleven 260 47.7
Lee Smith 217 39.8
Jack Morris 202 37.1
Mark McGwire 128 23.5
Tommy John 125 22.9
Dave Concepcion 74 13.6
Alan Trammell 73 13.4
Dave Parker 62 11.4
Don Mattingly 54 9.9
Dale Murphy 50 9.2
Harold Baines 29 5.3

Off the ballot in 2008

Steve Garvey 115 21.1
Orel Hershiser 24 4.4
Albert Belle 19 3.5
Paul O'Neill 12 2.2
Bret Saberhagen 7 1.3
Jose Canseco 6 1.1 (Looks like The Dude and Chips paid off six writers)
Tony Fernandez 4 0.7
Dante Bichette 3 0.6
Eric Davis 3 0.6
Bobby Bonilla 2 0.4
Ken Caminiti 2 0.4
Jay Buhner 1 0.2
Scott Brosius 0 0.0
Wally Joyner 0 0.0
Devon White 0 0.0
Bobby Witt 0 0.0

MUsoxfan
01-09-2007, 02:02 PM
That's it?

cbotnyse
01-09-2007, 02:05 PM
2 of my favorite players growing up. Congrats, well deserved. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/eusa_clap.gif

CHISOXFAN13
01-09-2007, 02:10 PM
Harold Baines narrowly stays on the ballot, receiveing 5.3 percent.

esbrechtel
01-09-2007, 02:11 PM
mcgwire got a decent ammount that surprises me...
Good for Cal and Tony :gulp:

CHISOXFAN13
01-09-2007, 02:13 PM
mcgwire got a decent ammount that surprises me...
Good for Cal and Tony :gulp:

I don't think that's a decent amount at all. He's more than 50 percent away from getting the neccessary votes. Hell, McGwire is closer to not being on the ballot with this finish than he is to getting in the Hall.

Frontman
01-09-2007, 02:19 PM
I was listening to the MLB.com stream, where they commented on Harold. They said without his injuries, he easily would of made 3,000 hits, and would of been a shoe-in for the Hall.

Kind of shocks me on his vote percentage after hearing that.

Ripken and Gwynn deserve it, and I think the voters obviously sent a strong message when it comes to the steroid era.

Front

MUsoxfan
01-09-2007, 02:24 PM
Bert Blyleven 260 47.7



I can hear the crying coming from the direction of Minneapolis as we speak. His shameless self-promotion is second only to Santo. I can't help but think it's keeping him from getting votes

CHISOXFAN13
01-09-2007, 02:28 PM
I can hear the crying coming from the direction of Minneapolis as we speak. His shameless self-promotion is second only to Santo. I can't help but think it's keeping him from getting votes

If you or I put up the numbers he did, we'd both be bitching, too.

I'm not the biggest fan, but he deserves to be in the H of F.

stl_sox_fan
01-09-2007, 02:30 PM
Harold Baines narrowly stays on the ballot, receiveing 5.3 percent.

You ain't kidding. I think the words "chinny, chinny, chin" come to mind. By two votes....

MUsoxfan
01-09-2007, 02:32 PM
If you or I put up the numbers he did, we'd both be bitching, too.

I'm not the biggest fan, but he deserves to be in the H of F.

He certainly deserves it. I'd vote him in. However I think it rubs the right people the wrong way when players consistently petition for themselves to get in

soxinem1
01-09-2007, 02:34 PM
Baines should have done better. And why Goose is not in yet just puzzles me.

How Caminiti or Cansucko got ANY votes is beyond me.

Some of this HOF voting is such a sham.

stl_sox_fan
01-09-2007, 02:37 PM
I can hear the crying coming from the direction of Minneapolis as we speak. His shameless self-promotion is second only to Santo. I can't help but think it's keeping him from getting votes

Maybe it has something to do with this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Blyleven#Off-color_comments). Bert's great for sound bites.

EMel9281
01-09-2007, 02:48 PM
Mark McGwire 128 23.5

This is great news for baseball! I applaud the voters for voting THE quintessential baseball players into the Hall. Gwynn and Ripken were two of my favorites as well. They deserved to be in there before anyone on the ballot. I think keeping McGwire out on his first try says a lot about how baseball SHOULD be perceived. That is, work your arse off everyday like the two inductees did and be genuine people. Baseball 1: McGwire 0

skottyj242
01-09-2007, 02:49 PM
I feel bad for Cal and Tony just because all I've seen on ESPN the last half hour is how McGwire didn't get in not how they deserved to be in. But Big Mac should be in.

Baby Fisk
01-09-2007, 03:00 PM
A huge slap in McGwire's face and well deserved. Too bad it's overshadowing Ripken and Gwynn today.

Gossage should be in.

Chez
01-09-2007, 03:05 PM
Blyleven and Jim Kaat both deserve to get in.

Flight #24
01-09-2007, 03:13 PM
As thrilled as I am that the writers decided not to think about McGwire's past.....(ba-dum-tsh!), it's kind of disappointing that a classy, consistent producer like Baines is so close to falling off the ballot when a drug-inflated, one-dimensional ***wipe is solidly on for at least another year or 2.:angry:

Edit: Thought the language filtres would pick it up, guess not.

Hendu
01-09-2007, 03:13 PM
Congratulations to Cal & Tony, 2 guys who definitely deserved it, and total class acts.

I just hope that the McGwire stuff doesn't overshadow their day. Harold should've gotten more votes :angry:.

SouthSide_HitMen
01-09-2007, 03:26 PM
Players Ballot

Dick Allen (1972-74)
Bobby Bonds
Ken Boyer (1967-68)
Rockey Colavito (1967)
Wes Ferrell
Curt Flood
Joe Gordon
Gil Hodges
Jim Kaat (1973-75)
Mickey Lolich
Sparky Lyle (1982)
Marty Marion
Roger Maris
Carl Mays
Minnie Minoso (1951-57, 1960-61, 1964, 1976, 1980)
Thurman Munson
Don Newcombe
Lefty O'Doul
Tony Oliva
Al Oliver
Vada Pinson
Ron Santo (1974)
Luis Tiant
Joe Torre
Cecil Travis
Mickey Vernon
Maury Wills

Composite Ballot

Buzzie Bavasi
Whitey Herzog
Gabe Paul
August Busch Jr. :gulp:
Bowie Kuhn
Paul Richards (1951-54, 1976)
Harry Dalton
Billy Martin
Bill White
Charlie Finley
Marvin Miller
Dick Williams
Doug Harvey
Walter O'Malley
Phil Wrigley

2008 BBWAA Ballot
* - First Time on Ballot

Harold Baines (5.3%) (1980-89, 1996-97, 2000-01)
Bert Blyleven (47.7%)
Dave Concepcion (13.6%)
Andre Dawson (56.7%)
Shawon Dunston *
Travis Fryman *
Rich Gossage (71.2%) (1972-76)
Tommy John (22.9%) (1965-71)
David Justice *
Don Mattingly (9.9%)
Mark McGwire (23.5%)
Mike Morgan *
Jack Morris (37.1%)
Dale Murphy (9.2%)
Dave Parker (11.4%)
Tim "Rock" Raines * (1991-95)
Jim Rice (63.5%)
Lee Smith (39.8%)
Alan Trammell (13.4%)
Randy Velarde *

TDog
01-09-2007, 03:27 PM
A huge slap in McGwire's face and well deserved. Too bad it's overshadowing Ripken and Gwynn today.

Gossage should be in.

McGwire not only surpassed the "magical" 500 home run mark, but he was seventh on the all-time list with more than 580. Without steroid suspicion, his low batting average still would have drawn from his vote total, but not getting at least 50 percent is indeed a slap in the face, and probably a justified one.

Gossage got lost in the excitement over Gwynn and Ripken. He will get in next year when no such legends are on the ballot. Baines was such a quiet player and continues to be the antithesis of self-promotion, but I see his vote total rising as people have to look more closely at the ballot. But it won't get Bert Blyleven in.

I heard on NPR that one voter sent in a blank ballot, refusing to vote for anyone in the steroid era. Even Babe Ruth wasn't elected unanimously.

PaulDrake
01-09-2007, 03:32 PM
I feel bad for Cal and Tony just because all I've seen on ESPN the last half hour is how McGwire didn't get in not how they deserved to be in. But Big Mac should be in. No he shouldn't. Even if you assume he didn't take steroids, or even if you think it doesn't matter if he did, he still doesn't belong. The Baseball HOF has the lowest standards of all the four major sports. If Mark McGwire deserves to be in, I can think of many ballplayers in my lifetime who aren't in and deserve it more.

salty99
01-09-2007, 03:35 PM
2008 BBWAA Ballot
* - First Time on Ballot

Harold Baines (5.3%) (1980-89, 1996-97, 2000-01)
Bert Blyleven (47.7%)
Dave Concepcion (13.6%)
Andre Dawson (56.7%)
Shawon Dunston *
Travis Fryman *
Rich Gossage (71.2%) (1972-76)
Tommy John (22.9%) (1965-71)
David Justice *
Don Mattingly (9.9%)
Mark McGwire (23.5%)
Mike Morgan *
Jack Morris (37.1%)
Dale Murphy (9.2%)
Dave Parker (11.4%)
Tim "Rock" Raines * (1991-95)
Jim Rice (63.5%)
Lee Smith (39.8%)
Alan Trammell (13.4%)

Randy Velarde *


wow this may be the weakest ballot ever.

SouthSide_HitMen
01-09-2007, 03:59 PM
No he shouldn't. Even if you assume he didn't take steroids, or even if you think it doesn't matter if he did, he still doesn't belong. The Baseball HOF has the lowest standards of all the four major sports. If Mark McGwire deserves to be in, I can think of many ballplayers in my lifetime who aren't in and deserve it more.

I agree. I'm glad I don't have ESPN. MLB.com mentioned McGwire in passing.

I have to disagree about MLB having the lowest standards, at least as far as players getting in via the BBWAA vote is considered. There are very few players voted in by the writers who do not deserve to be in. The Veterans and other special committees have voted in ridiculous players and I would agree with you re: their selections. I view the BBWAA electees as true Hall of Famers and the veterans selections as well as owners, announcers, umpires, etc. as fringe honorees.

The NFL Hall of Fame elects many very good players (not necessarily upper tier). The NHL has a **** load of players who shouldn't be in. I don't know anything about the Basketball HOF to comment.

My ballot:

2007 Veterans: Tommy John, Minnie Minoso, Ron Santo, Joe Torre. The standards are less, IMO, as far as the veterans vote is concerned.

2008 BBWAA: Bert Blyleven, Rich Gossage, Tim Raines, Pete Rose, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell. I think Goose is a lock next year. Raines should be but it will take him a few years unfortunately.

cheeses_h_rice
01-09-2007, 05:03 PM
Mark McGwire 128 23.5

This is great news for baseball! I applaud the voters for voting THE quintessential baseball players into the Hall. Gwynn and Ripken were two of my favorites as well. They deserved to be in there before anyone on the ballot. I think keeping McGwire out on his first try says a lot about how baseball SHOULD be perceived. That is, work your arse off everyday like the two inductees did and be genuine people. Baseball 1: McGwire 0

:nandrolone:

Uh oh.

Hendu
01-09-2007, 05:11 PM
Raines should be but it will take him a few years unfortunately.

I agree that Raines should and will be in eventually. I wonder if Rickey Henderson's upcoming candidacy will have any effect on the number of votes that Raines receives the next couple of years.

DoItForDanPasqua
01-09-2007, 05:55 PM
Mark McGwire 128 23.5

This is great news for baseball! I applaud the voters for voting THE quintessential baseball players into the Hall. Gwynn and Ripken were two of my favorites as well. They deserved to be in there before anyone on the ballot. I think keeping McGwire out on his first try says a lot about how baseball SHOULD be perceived. That is, work your arse off everyday like the two inductees did and be genuine people. Baseball 1: McGwire 0

Agreed, this should set a precedent for the next candidates who are suspected steroid users. Palmero was actually caught, so it will be very tough for him. I have to wonder about Sosa and Bonds. I don't think either will make it on the first ballot but will get in sooner or later, especially Bonds. If he hits over 755 homers it will be hard to keep him out.

DoItForDanPasqua
01-09-2007, 05:58 PM
2008 BBWAA Ballot
* - First Time on Ballot

Harold Baines (5.3%) (1980-89, 1996-97, 2000-01)
Bert Blyleven (47.7%)
Dave Concepcion (13.6%)
Andre Dawson (56.7%)
Shawon Dunston *
Travis Fryman *
Rich Gossage (71.2%) (1972-76)
Tommy John (22.9%) (1965-71)
David Justice *
Don Mattingly (9.9%)
Mark McGwire (23.5%)
Mike Morgan *
Jack Morris (37.1%)
Dale Murphy (9.2%)
Dave Parker (11.4%)
Tim "Rock" Raines * (1991-95)
Jim Rice (63.5%)
Lee Smith (39.8%)
Alan Trammell (13.4%)
Randy Velarde *


Shawon Dunston? I think the Shawon-O-Meter will read about 4.6%

samram
01-09-2007, 06:06 PM
The thing I don't like about baseball HOF voting is the whole first ballot thing. If the guy deserves to be in, vote for him, don't spout some crap about how a guy can't go in his first year on the ballot. If the writer would vote for him the second year, what would have changed during that year that would make that writer vote for him the second time around?

And Paul Ladewski is a dope for not voting for Gwynn or Ripken just to make sure they wouldn't get in unanimously.

eastchicagosoxfan
01-09-2007, 06:09 PM
I'm surprised that Albert Belle will be off the ballot starting in 2008. I'm not saying he's a HOF'er, but he certainly could merit debate. His short career killed his chances, and his surly demeanor didn't do him any favors either.

SABRSox
01-09-2007, 06:17 PM
I really hope next year is the year for Blyleven. Doubt it, though.

thomas35forever
01-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Congrats to both. Remember they were both honored at the '01 All-Star Game.

Daver
01-09-2007, 06:34 PM
The baseball HOF is a joke, and will remain so until they change who is allowed to vote.

kruzer31
01-09-2007, 06:35 PM
Congrats to Ripken and Gwynn. The voters thinking process has always baffled me. Last year, Andre Dawson had 60 percent votes for yes to get in. This year he gets I think it was 56 or 57 percent. How does someone vote for him last year and change their mind a year later?? I guess Dawson had a bad year in 2006. By no means am i a Dawson fan, just using him as an example.

One more thing that I can not stand about the voters. They put Ozzie Smith in the HOF on the first ballot but Alan Trammel is getting a measley 13 percent of the vote. Trammels career offensive numbers are far better then Ozzie Smith. I know everyone will say how great Ozzie's Defense was but Trammels career Fielding Pct is maybe 2 or 3 points lower and I believe he does own at least 1 or 2 gold gloves, numerous All Star appearances, and I think he won the MVP in 1984 and led his team to a World Series Title. I may be wrong, but Ozzie Smith may have played in a couple WS but never won one. If Ozzie Smith is in, Trammel should be as well. Once again, I am not a Trammel fan, but believe he should be in.

Jeff

eastchicagosoxfan
01-09-2007, 06:38 PM
The baseball HOF is a joke, and will remain so until they change who is allowed to vote.

And, in your opinion, who should be allowed to vote?

SouthSide_HitMen
01-09-2007, 06:43 PM
Congrats to Ripken and Gwynn. The voters thinking process has always baffled me. Last year, Andre Dawson had 60 percent votes for yes to get in. This year he gets I think it was 56 or 57 percent. How does someone vote for him last year and change their mind a year later?? I guess Dawson had a bad year in 2006. By no means am i a Dawson fan, just using him as an example.

One more thing that I can not stand about the voters. They put Ozzie Smith in the HOF on the first ballot but Alan Trammel is getting a measley 13 percent of the vote. Trammels career offensive numbers are far better then Ozzie Smith. I know everyone will say how great Ozzie's Defense was but Trammels career Fielding Pct is maybe 2 or 3 points lower and I believe he does own at least 1 or 2 gold gloves, numerous All Star appearances, and I think he won the MVP in 1984 and led his team to a World Series Title. I may be wrong, but Ozzie Smith may have played in a couple WS but never won one. If Ozzie Smith is in, Trammel should be as well. Once again, I am not a Trammel fan, but believe he should be in.

Jeff

I agree which is why I have Trammell on my fictional ballot (though I feel both Ozzie and Alan deserve to be in). Both are among the top 10 or 12 shortstops in MLB history, IMO.

I'm not big on the four OFers hanging around (Murphy, Parker, Rice & Dawson). The were very good players, just not HOFers. I could see an argument for Dawson. Rice and the other two definitely should not make it (though I am strict about it).

Harold Baines is my favorite player of all time but I think he falls short unfortunately.

AZChiSoxFan
01-09-2007, 06:47 PM
I would like to know the name of the writer who voted for Jay Buhner???

kruzer31
01-09-2007, 06:53 PM
I agree which is why I have Trammell on my fictional ballot (though I feel both Ozzie and Alan deserve to be in). Both are among the top 10 or 12 shortstops in MLB history, IMO.


I agree Ozzie Smith should be in, and i did some research and Ozzie did win a WS in 82 so my bad there. And Trammell didnt win the 84 MVP but did win the WS MVP in 84. Here are some Stats that back Trammell to go in

Ozzie Smith Career BA.262, HR-28, RBI 793, R-1257, SB 580, OBP .337, Total Hits- 2460

Alan Trammell Career BA.285, HR-185, RBI 1003, R-1231, SB 236, OBP .352, Total Hits 2365

Filding Percentage for Ozzie .978, Trammell .977, sorry Trammell didnt backflip onto the field.

Awards for Ozzie Smith, 13 Gold Gloves, 85 NLCS MVP, 15 All Star Games, 1 World Series Title

Awards for Alan Trammell 4 Gold Gloves, 4 Silver Sluggers, 84 World Series MVP, 6 time all star and 1 world Series ring.

Pretty Similar to me, why Ozzie and not Alan Trammell????

Jeff

Daver
01-09-2007, 06:57 PM
And, in your opinion, who should be allowed to vote?

Let the baseball writers keep the vote, but change the criteria for eligibility to allowing a vote after 5 years of membership, and only allowing them to keep that vote for 10 years, and then they lose their vote. There is a good percentage of the voting group that are no longer active writers, hell there are some that will not consider a DH as a position, even though it has been around for 30 years. I also think that all results should be reviewed by a commitee of HOF members with the power to add players that missed by a close margin, as a check and balance for writers bias against certain players like Jim Rice.

RadioheadRocks
01-09-2007, 07:00 PM
I'm also surprised Orel Hershiser is falling off the ballot next year, especially considering some of the players who will be on the ballot again.

Wsoxmike59
01-09-2007, 07:18 PM
I would like to know the name of the writer who voted for Jay Buhner???


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"What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?! He had 30 home runs, over 100 RBIs last year! He's got a rocket for an arm... You don't know what the hell you're doing!"

Oblong
01-09-2007, 08:42 PM
I go back and forth on Tram. He was my favorite player growing up so obviously I can't be objective. What I don't like is tiger fans who feel the need to rip on Ozzie Smith. He's the best defensive player at one of the most important defensive positions. That gets you in.

I think Tram and Lou both should get more consideration. I'm not upset that Morris doesn't make it. He's not a HOFer to me.

Oblong
01-09-2007, 08:46 PM
As for the voting process, I think the way it is now is about as good as you can make it. It's not perfect but by allowing so many voters then the actions of a few idiots won't have that much of an affect.

Viva Medias B's
01-10-2007, 08:25 AM
Gossage should be a lock for '08.