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Rockabilly
01-06-2007, 10:47 AM
of the last 25 years

My rankings would be

1 Jack Mc Dowell
2 Lamaar Hoyt
3 Mark Buehrle
4 Richard Dotson
5 Alex Fernandez
6 Freddy Garcia
7 Wilson Alvarez
8 Jon Garland
9 Britt Burns
10 Floyd Bannister

jabrch
01-06-2007, 11:41 AM
of the last 25 years

My rankings would be

1 Jack Mc Dowell
2 Lamaar Hoyt
3 Mark Buehrle
4 Richard Dotson
5 Alex Fernandez
6 Freddy Garcia
7 Wilson Alvarez
8 Jon Garland
9 Britt Burns
10 Floyd Bannister

That's a good list. Hoyt only started for us for about 5 years. I'd move him down a bit. I loved him - but his impact was limited by his own shortcomings. I'd move Freddy down below Bannister since he was only here two seasons. I'd probably put JG ahead of Alvarez.

Gregory Pratt
01-06-2007, 03:03 PM
How Mark Buehrle isn't at the top is beyond me.

CurseoftheGoat63
01-06-2007, 03:12 PM
how can Billy Pierce not make that list?

Standing Ovation
01-06-2007, 03:26 PM
I don't think Pierce was still pitching at the age of 55.

tick53
01-06-2007, 03:27 PM
No love for Joel Horlen & Gary Peters?

Rockabilly
01-06-2007, 03:38 PM
how can Billy Pierce not make that list?


Maybe because Pierce wasn't pitching in the mid 80's

MrT27
01-06-2007, 05:15 PM
Loaiza?

chisoxmike
01-06-2007, 05:20 PM
Loaiza?

:rolling:


:tealpolice:

caulfield12
01-06-2007, 05:44 PM
I was waiting for all the Jason Bere, Hibbard and Melido Perez love.

You could also make some arguments for Roberto Hernandez or Bobby Thigpen.

Sirotka was a favorite, but we know how his career ended.

Hitmen77
01-06-2007, 06:34 PM
No love for Joel Horlen & Gary Peters?

They were long retired by 1981.

HotelWhiteSox
01-06-2007, 06:41 PM
make your own list instead of nitpicking!

RedPinStripes
01-07-2007, 09:51 AM
Jose DeLeon.

:hawk
"Bobby Who?"

Domeshot17
01-07-2007, 01:29 PM
I was waiting for all the Jason Bere, Hibbard and Melido Perez love.

You could also make some arguments for Roberto Hernandez or Bobby Thigpen.

Sirotka was a favorite, but we know how his career ended.

Hard to make an Arguement for Roberto and Thiggy unless you include relievers, but the thread says its SP. Overall the list is pretty solid, a good post for you Rockabilly.

vegyrex
01-07-2007, 02:59 PM
:jaime
Why aren't I on that list?

You ungrateful &^$%#@!!!

MrT27
01-07-2007, 03:03 PM
Loaiza's 03' season was one of the best in Sox history. But it all depends if your going by Sox career (if so how long do they have to pitch for the Sox), total career, best season, etc.

btrain929
01-07-2007, 07:52 PM
I was waiting for all the Jason Bere, Hibbard and Melido Perez love.

You could also make some arguments for Roberto Hernandez or Bobby Thigpen.

Sirotka was a favorite, but we know how his career ended.

ya if it was the top 10 overall pitchers in sox history (SP and RP), both hernandez and thigpen would be in there easily, thigpen being top 5 in my mind. i might even get a petition going to get charlie hough some cred lol

Ziggy S
01-08-2007, 02:06 PM
That's a great list, but I would replace Bannister with Jose Contreras, with an honorable mention going to Greg Hibbard.

TheCommander
01-08-2007, 05:23 PM
Where's Scott Ruffcorn?

soxinem1
01-08-2007, 09:25 PM
Jose DeLeon.


He does not deserve to be on the list, but he did do some good work here as both a SP and RP.

of the last 25 years

My rankings would be

1 Jack Mc Dowell
2 Lamaar Hoyt
3 Mark Buehrle
4 Richard Dotson
5 Alex Fernandez
6 Freddy Garcia
7 Wilson Alvarez
8 Jon Garland
9 Britt Burns
10 Floyd Bannister

I agree with the originally posted list for the most part, but I would have the order differently:

Jack McDowell
Mark Buehrle
Alex Fernandez
Wilson Alvarez
LaMaar Hoyt
Britt Burns
Richard Dotson
Freddy Garcia
Floyd Bannister
Jon Garland

Also, note the irony that in the most recent 25 years the Whte Sox have not had any long periods of continuety with pitchers, either relievers or starters.

the gooch
01-09-2007, 11:10 AM
I was going to argue why people put Garcia so high, citing teammates Garland, Contreras, and even Loaiza, but in looking at the numbers I can see plenty of room for discussion, and it has made me appreciate Garcia more.

Loaiza- 1.5 seasons 30W-14L 3.65ERA 367inn
Contreras- 2.5 seasons 33W-20L 4.15ERA 475 inn
Garcia- 2.5 seasons 40W-21L 4.24ERA 547inn
Garland (last 2 seasons) 36W-17L 4.00 ERA

Loaiza dominated when here but loses pts because he wasn't here very long or for the WS.
Contreras really surprised me. I guess his streak made up for mediocrity.
Garcia threw a lot of IP, but also had a lot of run support to get those W's.
Garland didn't show up until his late arb years, but show up he did.

I would rate 1. Garland above a close knit group of 2. Contreras, 3. Garcia, 4. Loaiza

rbeze09
01-23-2007, 12:03 AM
Danny Wright

Domeshot17
01-23-2007, 12:18 AM
you opened a thread no one has replied to in 2 weeks to say Danny Wright in teal, and didn't even use teal correctly?!

This is like the ultimate WSI Party Foul

Whitesox029
01-23-2007, 05:55 PM
Danny Wright
:tealpolice:
we don't use the tag for this purpose much anymore, which is probably a good thing.
:tealtutor:
How come we're only talking about the last 25 years? The title of the thread doesn't suggest that. If we did an all-time list you'd have to include Hoyt Wilhelm, Ted Lyons, Eddie Cicotte, Billy Pierce, and probably some others. I'd do it myself but I have work to do, and my WSI addiction seems to have returned as of late.

pudge
01-23-2007, 06:54 PM
I find it amazing that Jose Contreras was the ACE of the World Series champs, carried the team down the stretch, and is nowhere on the list. I realize it's a "short" contribution, but quality over quantity maybe?

Ziggy S
01-23-2007, 10:59 PM
I find it amazing that Jose Contreras was the ACE of the World Series champs, carried the team down the stretch, and is nowhere on the list. I realize it's a "short" contribution, but quality over quantity maybe?
You didn't miss my post on this thread, did you, man?

areilly
01-24-2007, 01:31 AM
Whenever this topic comes up, I usually look at it only in terms of their service with the Sox, and pitchers from my lifetime. So Loaiza and Jack McDowell land at the top...the rest is more debatable than I care to get involved with.

barney27
01-24-2007, 07:43 AM
of the last 25 years

My rankings would be

1 Jack Mc Dowell
2 Lamaar Hoyt
3 Mark Buehrle
4 Richard Dotson
5 Alex Fernandez
6 Freddy Garcia
7 Wilson Alvarez
8 Jon Garland
9 Britt Burns
10 Floyd Bannister
Maybe not for their career with the sox, but Tom Seaver, and Steve Carlton were not too shabby.

gobears1987
01-24-2007, 05:35 PM
Contereras is more deserving to be on that list than Garcia.

gobears1987
01-24-2007, 05:37 PM
I would rate 1. Garland above a close knit group of 2. Contreras, 3. Garcia, 4. Loaiza
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