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rowand33
12-23-2006, 06:39 PM
So, based on who we have now, who do you think will win out and be the 5th starter for the Sox? I'm backing Haeger.

chisoxfanatic
12-23-2006, 06:43 PM
Like I said in your last thread, my gut says it's gonna be someone who isn't even with the team right now. Kenny seems to take us by surprise with regularity, and I seem to think something major is brewing that we don't even know about.

Jjav829
12-23-2006, 06:45 PM
I can honestly say I haven't a clue who will be the Sox 5th starter next year. And unless KW is planning something else, he probably doesn't either. I'm sure KW has an idea of who he'd like to be the 5th starter, but we're a long ways away from knowing who the 5th starter will be.

rowand33
12-23-2006, 06:49 PM
I can honestly say I haven't a clue who will be the Sox 5th starter next year. And unless KW is planning something else, he probably doesn't either. I'm sure KW has an idea of who he'd like to be the 5th starter, but we're a long ways away from knowing who the 5th starter will be.

agreed. just speculation. gotta talk about something during the offseason.

ShoelessJoeS
12-23-2006, 06:50 PM
Assuming KW does NOT pick up a veteran arm for the rotation, I'm guessing it's going to be Haeger.

julio-cruz
12-23-2006, 06:50 PM
I am thinking Haeger is the sleeper here--I am hoping this will be the case. A great contrast to what the rest of the rotation offers. Rob Neyer fron ESPN can't stop talking about him in chats and off-handed comments. Plus, it is cool to have a throw-back pitcher like this as part of your arsenal!:cool:

ilsox7
12-23-2006, 06:50 PM
I can honestly say I haven't a clue who will be the Sox 5th starter next year. And unless KW is planning something else, he probably doesn't either. I'm sure KW has an idea of who he'd like to be the 5th starter, but we're a long ways away from knowing who the 5th starter will be.

Agreed. Barring any other moves, the 5th starter seems like a wide open competition. Spring training is going to be FUN! Can you imagine all of these talented arms pitching with a spot in a MLB rotation on the line? Bring on the competition.

DaleJRFan
12-23-2006, 06:52 PM
No votes for Sean Tracey??? :cool:

rowand33
12-23-2006, 06:56 PM
I am thinking Haeger is the sleeper here--I am hoping this will be the case. A great contrast to what the rest of the rotation offers. Rob Neyer fron ESPN can't stop talking about him in chats and off-handed comments. Plus, it is cool to have a throw-back pitcher like this as part of your arsenal!:cool:

really? what has Neyer been saying about him?

I went nuts over Haeger in September, and was excited to have him in the pen.

getonbckthr
12-23-2006, 07:00 PM
TEAL/:rowand /TEAL

WizardsofOzzie
12-23-2006, 07:00 PM
Is there a "Who the hell knows" option?

MRM
12-23-2006, 07:11 PM
Almost certainly will be Floyd if nothing changes. Kenny had already said McCarthy and Floyd would compete for the job is spring training. Take one competetor out of a two man race and what does that leave you? If Floyd shows anything in ST the job is his, again qualifying that as no other moves are made between now and then.

MRM
12-23-2006, 07:15 PM
Assuming KW does NOT pick up a veteran arm for the rotation, I'm guessing it's going to be Haeger.

I really don't think you'll see Haeger as a starter in the majors other than for spot starts. As much fun as knuckle ball pitchers are to watch, they are hell on a catcher. AJ had enough trouble catching Contreras and Garcia the last couple of years...

aryzner
12-23-2006, 07:15 PM
no freakin' idea over here man

getonbckthr
12-23-2006, 07:18 PM
Almost certainly will be Floyd if nothing changes. Kenny had already said McCarthy and Floyd would compete for the job is spring training. Take one competetor out of a two man race and what does that leave you? If Floyd shows anything in ST the job is his, again qualifying that as no other moves are made between now and then.
I would assume that Danks would jump into the race making it between Danks and Floyd.

gr8mexico
12-23-2006, 07:20 PM
Does anyone know what kind of money Mark Mulder is looking for? The Sox can give him an incentive package for 1 year with an option for a second year. That's the type of players KW is looking for. I hope the Sox can make a serious offer now on Carl Crawford too

champagne030
12-23-2006, 08:45 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit looking at that list. I hope there's another deal coming or we've gone back to the 5th starter black hole days. As the team stands now, we are weaker than 2006 and KW said he wouldn't do that.....So hopefully he has other plans to upgrade the club.

HomeFish
12-23-2006, 09:04 PM
Does anyone know what kind of money Mark Mulder is looking for? The Sox can give him an incentive package for 1 year with an option for a second year. That's the type of players KW is looking for.

Except that's not the kind of contract Mark Mulder's agent is looking for.

Memories of Oakland are gonna get Mulder a multi-year, big-money contract that will make even Gil Meche blush.

Frater Perdurabo
12-23-2006, 09:05 PM
The fifth starter will be whoever pitches best in Spring Training and is not named Buehrle, Contreras, Garland or Vazquez.
:tongue:

Garland_IS_God
12-23-2006, 09:44 PM
Danny Wright

Tragg
12-23-2006, 10:01 PM
I would say that while we've been in this fix before and it hasn't been pretty, we have more and higher quality candidates this time - or so it appears.

UserNameBlank
12-23-2006, 10:02 PM
I didn't vote because I have no idea who it will be, but my best guess would be either Heath Phillips or Lance Broadway unless KW makes another trade/signing or invites someone better to ST.

I really don't think Floyd will just be given the spot. I certainly hope not. Phillips and Broadway are probably the best bets to come in throwing strikes, so I think it will end up going to one of them. If that happens, get ready for KW to start wasting options on young pitchers and wasting room on the 40man by calling up one of Gio or Danks early in June or something.

FedEx227
12-23-2006, 10:03 PM
Does anyone know what kind of money Mark Mulder is looking for? The Sox can give him an incentive package for 1 year with an option for a second year.

At this point hes not even worth that. It's sad that hes only 2 years removed from being a top 10 pitcher in the league, but he just can't stay healthy. Added in with the fact that as a poster said above, his agent won't allow for a small one year deal... not when Gil Meche and Ted Lilly and bringing in 55 million.

julio-cruz
12-23-2006, 10:04 PM
really? what has Neyer been saying about him?

I went nuts over Haeger in September, and was excited to have him in the pen.

I can't remember Neyer's specific quote-- sorry. I just remember him saying on two seperate insider chats that the Sox should start him or trade him to a team that would. That he is far too intrigueing of a pitcher to not start.
Personally, I think that if A.J. can learn to catch and frame his pitches, he will probably be something special. Would really mess with the tempo and timing of the opposition. He has got some serious movement on that pitch!

beckett21
12-23-2006, 10:12 PM
My money is on Gavin Floyd.

Brian26
12-23-2006, 10:14 PM
My money is on Gavin Floyd.

That's my pick too.

My darkhorse pick is El Duque. I still have a feeling he's going to wind up back on the Sox.

ilsox7
12-23-2006, 10:23 PM
That's my pick too.

My darkhorse pick is El Duque. I still have a feeling he's going to wind up back on the Sox.

He just signed a 2 year deal. I don't think KW would commit to having him back for 2 years.

julio-cruz
12-23-2006, 11:09 PM
He just signed a 2 year deal. I don't think KW would commit to having him back for 2 years.


also at 6-mil per year. Must be the drinking water out there specifically for Mets GM's.

spiffie
12-23-2006, 11:23 PM
Agreed. Barring any other moves, the 5th starter seems like a wide open competition. Spring training is going to be FUN! Can you imagine all of these talented arms pitching with a spot in a MLB rotation on the line? Bring on the competition.
I'm still reeling from all the fun I had when we had a competition like that for the bullpen spot last year. I also am still recovering from the whiplash that I got trying to follow Hafner's homer off of Logan.

ilsox7
12-23-2006, 11:26 PM
I'm still reeling from all the fun I had when we had a competition like that for the bullpen spot last year. I also am still recovering from the whiplash that I got trying to follow Hafner's homer off of Logan.

There is a big difference between the arms competing this time around, though. Also, I could make a pretty good argument about my whiplash from watching McCarthy throw 17 home runs in all of 84 innings in 2006.

RoobarbPie
12-23-2006, 11:37 PM
I am thinking Haeger is the sleeper here--I am hoping this will be the case. A great contrast to what the rest of the rotation offers. Rob Neyer fron ESPN can't stop talking about him in chats and off-handed comments. Plus, it is cool to have a throw-back pitcher like this as part of your arsenal!:cool:

Neyer did a whole story on Haeger last year. You need insider to read it though.

Link:
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=2438542

Here's probably the biggest thing Neyer has had to say regarding Haeger during this offseason:

"Speaking of the American League Central, it's been said more than a few times that White Sox GM Kenny Williams, flush with starting pitchers, might have more leverage this week than any other general manager. I would agree with that particularly if Williams and his colleagues have some realistic notion of Charlie Haeger's value. I've been promoting this guy since last spring, and I'm going to keep promoting him until he gets the chance he obviously deserves. Nutshell: Haeger looks to me like the best young knuckleball pitcher any of us have seen. He's 23 years old. Over the last two seasons, his ERAs ranging from Class A to MLB: 3.20, 3.78, 3.07 and 3.44. If he threw 90 miles an hour rather than 70, he would be considered one of the dozen or so best pitching prospects in the game. Did I mention that he's 23? And that most knuckleballers don't gain control of their key pitch until their middle or late 20s? If I were Kenny Williams, I would trade one of the guys who throws 90 -- because they have more trade value than the guy who throws 70 -- and give Haeger a slot in the rotation next spring. If I were not Kenny Williams, I would sidle up to him in Florida and try to find out exactly what he thinks about Charlie Haeger."

thomas35forever
12-24-2006, 12:09 AM
I have to assume it's Floyd. Why else would KW acquire him?

ajismyhero
12-24-2006, 12:14 AM
Anyone know if Toby Hall has any experience catching a knuckle ball?

doublem23
12-24-2006, 04:46 AM
I really can't imagine it'd be any one of these guys.

QCIASOXFAN
12-24-2006, 04:54 AM
I really can't imagine it'd be any one of these guys.
Good call, I think we still got a long winter ahead of us that will produce a 5th starter. KW will not leave us in LIMBO people, settle down. I am not worried at all. Merry X-Mas.:gulp:

Garland_IS_God
12-24-2006, 10:22 AM
That's my pick too.

My darkhorse pick is El Duque. I still have a feeling he's going to wind up back on the Sox.

KW says he's tryingto get younger, so that would be a big N.O. on El Duque.

viagracat
12-24-2006, 10:39 AM
Tough call. Can't see a knuckleballer being a regular starter though for some reason. I'm guessing Danks; else why would they give up McCarthy for him?

I agree with some of the others here; Kenny Williams may not be done dealing and will acquire a proven starter. None of these guys in the poll really get me excited.

Fake Chet Lemon
12-24-2006, 10:49 AM
Another good question, will Ozzie the skip the 5th starters spot when the schedule allows? His history says no, and that drives me nuts.

dwalteroo
12-24-2006, 12:17 PM
Like I said in your last thread, my gut says it's gonna be someone who isn't even with the team right now. Kenny seems to take us by surprise with regularity, and I seem to think something major is brewing that we don't even know about.

I have to think this is the case. We've built for the future, now I have to think Kenny is going to take a step or two specifically for 2007.

ChiTownTrojan
12-24-2006, 01:09 PM
Could someone please clarify the status of Floyd? I think I read somewhere that he was out of minor league options, meaning he's a lock to make the team either as the 5th starter or long relief guy. Is that true?

ChiTownTrojan
12-24-2006, 01:12 PM
Another good question, will Ozzie the skip the 5th starters spot when the schedule allows? His history says no, and that drives me nuts.

His history has been not to skip it the last two years, when we have had 5 reliable starters. In 2004, I believe he did skip the 5th whenever there was an opportunity (off day during the week). For 2007, it will all depend on how the yet-to-be-named 5th starter pitches. If he's doing well, there's no reason to skip him. If he's got an ERA above 5, then it probably will happen.

ilsox7
12-24-2006, 01:17 PM
Could someone please clarify the status of Floyd? I think I read somewhere that he was out of minor league options, meaning he's a lock to make the team either as the 5th starter or long relief guy. Is that true?

Not true. Sisco and Floyd both have options left.

Chicken Dinner
12-24-2006, 01:52 PM
Danny Wright

That hurts.

beckett21
12-24-2006, 02:17 PM
That hurts.

What hurts is that an organizational kid who pitched with a torn rotator cuff and probably sacrificed his career because of it continues to be the butt of jokes by so-called "Sox fans".

It just bothers me that a guy who pitched his heart out for the Sox while injured, yet NEVER used that as an excuse, is still criticized by some.

I can only hope that all of the current Sox players have the integrity that Danny Wright had.

julio-cruz
12-24-2006, 02:29 PM
Neyer did a whole story on Haeger last year. You need insider to read it though.

Link:
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=2438542

Here's probably the biggest thing Neyer has had to say regarding Haeger during this offseason:

"Speaking of the American League Central, it's been said more than a few times that White Sox GM Kenny Williams, flush with starting pitchers, might have more leverage this week than any other general manager. I would agree with that particularly if Williams and his colleagues have some realistic notion of Charlie Haeger's value. I've been promoting this guy since last spring, and I'm going to keep promoting him until he gets the chance he obviously deserves. Nutshell: Haeger looks to me like the best young knuckleball pitcher any of us have seen. He's 23 years old. Over the last two seasons, his ERAs ranging from Class A to MLB: 3.20, 3.78, 3.07 and 3.44. If he threw 90 miles an hour rather than 70, he would be considered one of the dozen or so best pitching prospects in the game. Did I mention that he's 23? And that most knuckleballers don't gain control of their key pitch until their middle or late 20s? If I were Kenny Williams, I would trade one of the guys who throws 90 -- because they have more trade value than the guy who throws 70 -- and give Haeger a slot in the rotation next spring. If I were not Kenny Williams, I would sidle up to him in Florida and try to find out exactly what he thinks about Charlie Haeger."


Thanks for the quote Roobarb. How's Ribbie doing, anways? Don't know why the Sox ever got rid of you two?!
Southpaw-- palease, give me a real mascot!! I saw that guy throw with his right hand. Coincidence, I think not!:cool:

California Sox
12-24-2006, 09:13 PM
I'm going to go out on an extreme limb and say Phillips. He's a lefthander who's had success in AAA and the Sox division has three teams (Tribe, Twins, KC) whose best players hit lefthanded. Just a hunch. Would be interesting if it were Haeger, though.

Jerksticks
12-24-2006, 10:43 PM
Thank you for the Dtrain, Florida. Have fun with all those prospects.

I want Mags back
12-24-2006, 11:51 PM
Does anyone know what kind of money Mark Mulder is looking for? The Sox can give him an incentive package for 1 year with an option for a second year. That's the type of players KW is looking for.

I feel like he would come here for almost any dollar amount. He is the equilavant of MB wanting to play for the Cardinals, although doesnt make it as obvious

California Sox
12-25-2006, 01:53 AM
Mulder is coming off of shoulder surgery. I'm pretty sure he won't be ready to start the season. Can't imagine the Sox signing him.

jabrch
12-25-2006, 02:07 AM
Mulder is coming off of shoulder surgery. I'm pretty sure he won't be ready to start the season. Can't imagine the Sox signing him.

He may be ready by the all-star break. I highly doubt that's the route we will be looking to go.

White Sox Randy
12-25-2006, 02:12 AM
Danks, Gio and Broadway need more time in AAA.

The competition is between Floyd and Haeger and I doubt that Floyd will be impressive enough to win the job.

I say Haeger wins it and Floyd goes to Charlotte.

But, Kenny may deal some of these guys . We still need an OFer. I would love to see him deal Floyd for an OFer. He's the one pitcher that we picked up that I don't have a good feeling about.

Grzegorz
12-25-2006, 06:28 AM
Why all the confidence in Haeger? Is it because he put up good numbers in the minors or because he has a gimmick pitch?

ilsox7
12-25-2006, 06:39 AM
Why all the confidence in Haeger? Is it because he put up good numbers in the minors or because he has a gimmick pitch?

Great numbers in the minors and it's very rare (unprecedented?) for a 23 year old to have the grasp on the knuckleball as he does. Personally, I think having a good knuckleballer as a #5 is not a bad idea. They can be good for 10-12 wins, and while they have their share of bad games, they also have their share of good games, which pretty much is what 5th starters do. Also, he would be pitching after Javy and before Jose in the rotation, which could have an interesting impact on opposing hitters in a series.

Grzegorz
12-25-2006, 07:09 AM
ilsox7,

So you feel at this point, based on past performances, that Haeger has a better shot at winning ten to twelve games than Floyd/Phillips?

I have a hard time believing that throwing Haeger in between Javy and Contreras will confound major league hitters; hitters should have an opportunity to adjust to a knuckleball pitcher since the exposure comes from game to game and not within a game (if Haeger would come in from the pen).

It is my belief that the probability of a knuckler keeping his control is inning per inning within a single game. With a knuckleball pitcher if he struggles with control and runners get on base knuckleball pitchers have less success than conventional pitchers from preventing a stolen base. The past ball is also a concern when runners get on base.

I just see Haeger as a novelty in MLB; knucklers have a higher probability of getting into trouble faster than conventional pitchers.

Please note:
These are "paper" arguments; not backed up by empirical evidence (spring training).
I am looking for stats to buttress my arguments about knucklers & conventional pitchers.

ilsox7
12-25-2006, 07:21 AM
ilsox7,

So you feel at this point, based on past performances, that Haeger has a better shot at winning ten to twelve games than Floyd/Phillips?

I have a hard time believing that throwing Haeger in between Javy and Contreras will confound major league hitters; hitters should have an opportunity to adjust to a knuckleball pitcher since the exposure comes from game to game and not within a game (if Haeger would come in from the pen).

It is my belief that the probability of a knuckler keeping his control is inning per inning within a single game. With a knuckleball pitcher if he struggles with control and runners get on base knuckleball pitchers have less success than conventional pitchers from preventing a stolen base. The past ball is also a concern when runners get on base.

I just see Haeger as a novelty in MLB; knucklers have a higher probability of getting into trouble faster than conventional pitchers.

Please note:
These are "paper" arguments; not backed up by empirical evidence (spring training).
I am looking for stats to buttress my arguments about knucklers & conventional pitchers.

I guess the reason I said Haeger may be the odds on favorite is, as of this exact moment, Floyd has a lot to prove in spring training as does a guy like Danks, who may be a year away. A lot of what I have read about Haeger says that his mastery of the knuckleball at age 23 is unprecedented. Also, I seem to remember some Ozzie comments about really liking Charlie, so that could play a role.

My comment about a possible impact of throwing a knuckleballer in between Javy and Jose is merely based on anecdotal evidence. I also do not think it's one of those things that would have a major impact, but I do not see it as a bad thing. And it just seems that when the Sox face a Wakefield or someone of his ilk, there are timing problems the next day on occasion. Not a determinative factor to be sure, but also not a bad thing.

The other advantage to a guy like Haeger is there should not be injury issues. Barring a complete loss of feel for the pitch, he will be ready to go every 5th day. I am looking at Wakefield's stats and he really has racked up the innings over the years. While Wakefield had a couple of truly phenomenal years, his biggest value seems to be that you know you are gonna get your innings every 5th day. The thing Wakefield does that Charlie must do to get/keep the 5th starter job is not walk a ton of people. That's a lot easier said than done.

Again, my saying Haeger may be the odds on favorite is completely based on the season starting tomorrow. That's obviously not the case. If Floyd, Danks, Phillips, etc blow everyone out of the water in the spring, they will probably get the job. But the advantage to Haeger is if a Floyd or Danks is maybe a couple of months of work away from being ready for the rotation, you can plug Charlie in for the mean time, then move him to the bullpen when Floyd is ready to go. Knuckleballers are flexible like that, which is quite an advantage.

As I've said in a couple other threads (and maybe this one), this spring is shaping up to be fun! I know a LOT of people around here are scared to death to not have the rotation set going into the spring (which is the case as of now), but I welcome the competition. I think it could be a very good thing for these young guys. They're all competitive by nature and knowing that they will be competing for a spot in a big league rotation should be a great motivator for them to show up to camp in top shape and ready to work hard with Coop.

Grzegorz
12-25-2006, 07:24 AM
As I've said in a couple other threads (and maybe this one), this spring is shaping up to be fun! I know a LOT of people around here are scared to death to not have the rotation set going into the spring (which is the case as of now), but I welcome the competition. I think it could be a very good thing for these young guys. They're all competitive by nature and knowing that they will be competing for a spot in a big league rotation should be a great motivator for them to show up to camp in top shape and ready to work hard with Coop.

I agree one hundred percent; due to the competition for the fifth spot I feel the winner will be quite an asset to the team in 2007.

In all my years I do not think I've ever been more anxious to get spring training started!

ilsox7
12-25-2006, 07:30 AM
I agree one hundred percent; due to the competition for the fifth spot I feel the winner will be quite an asset to the team in 2007.

In all my years I do not think I've ever been more anxious to get spring training started!

Same here. I mentioned elsewhere how I would love to be able to go to spring training this year, as I have never gone to a Sox spring training. I am glad so many games will be televised on Comcast. I don't have near the amount of knowledge about minor leaguers that some do around here, but I cannot remember the Sox ever having as many high potential arms in the "almost ready" category as they do right now. I think that's an exciting thing.

I'm also one of the people who feels that the 2006 team greatly underachieved and did not need a major overhaul to be successful in 2007. I wish there had been (or will be) a way to improve a few holes for a reasonable price, but as of now, it looks as if the options to upgrade at a few spots were either not viable or way too expensive. Sometimes that's simply the case and you have to go with what you have. Not one team in MLB will go into 2007 without some major questions.

White Sox Randy
12-25-2006, 11:07 AM
I think the reason that most people believe that Haeger would do better than Floyd is because in the past, in the minors and in the majors, Haeger has done better than Floyd.

ChiTownTrojan
12-25-2006, 12:17 PM
I really like the idea of having Haeger as the 5th starter. Having a knuckler in there one out of every five days to mix things up could be a real asset. All the stuff I read about him (basically posts here and that ESPN article last year) say that he's ready.

I'd definitely rather have him in the rotation than the pen. Sure, he would be a good change of pace with all the flamethrowers that are in the pen now, but that's only if he's a late inning guy, which he won't be. He'd most likely be the long relief guy, coming in right after the starter gets banged up. And our starters really don't throw the kind of heat to make it as devastating a change of pace as it could be.

Plus, as a starter you can have Hall work with him as his "personal" catcher. You can't do that if he's coming out of the pen. Catching a knuckler is more difficult and takes a lot of work, and AJ's got enough to worry about handling the rest of the staff. I also for some reason think AJ wouldn't like working with the rookie to much and would rather stick with the vets.

soxfanreggie
12-26-2006, 12:32 AM
If Haeger turns out like Wakefield, then we're set with him in the rotation for a long time. Right now, I'm looking at Floyd or Danks because it looks really bad (unless someone like Haeger or Broadway steps up bigtime and wins the spot) if neither of them are in the rotation and we give up Freddy and Mac to get them.

jabrch
12-26-2006, 01:17 AM
If Haeger turns out like Wakefield, then we're set with him in the rotation for a long time. Right now, I'm looking at Floyd or Danks because it looks really bad (unless someone like Haeger or Broadway steps up bigtime and wins the spot) if neither of them are in the rotation and we give up Freddy and Mac to get them.

them...and Gio and Masset. That is, just to clarify, two of the top SP prospects in all of minor league baseball, and 2 of the top 3 LH SP prospects.

Just to be clear, we gave up a guy in his walk year who will be about 4.50 and a second year player who hasn't yet proven to management that he is good enough to do it.

Sargeant79
12-26-2006, 08:37 AM
I think it will come down to Floyd and Haeger, with Haeger beating out Floyd. As someone earlier mentioned, there's a really good chance Haeger will be able to give you consistent innings, although probably not more than six because his pitch count will be up owing to a lot of walks. But if you can count on six innings from your fifth starter, that's not too bad. We cannot have bullpen day every five days, especially when so many members of our bullpen are guys who need to figure some things out and improve, even if they do have tons of potential.

Floyd will probably be the first internal candidate to get a crack at the rotation if Haeger doesn't do so well, providing he is doing okay at Charlotte at the time. And if that doesn't work, I see an in-season trade as an option.

One of the nice things about all these recent trades is that if the 5th starter situation does turn into a complete mess, KW has enough assets to acquire someone during the season, which makes me far less concerned about the rotation than I was in '03-'04.

santo=dorf
12-26-2006, 02:49 PM
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ChiTownTrojan
12-26-2006, 03:52 PM
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/bschalle/www/Baseball%20pics/Randysox2.JPG

Is that supposed to be in teal?

ChiTownTrojan
12-26-2006, 04:01 PM
I think it will come down to Floyd and Haeger, with Haeger beating out Floyd. As someone earlier mentioned, there's a really good chance Haeger will be able to give you consistent innings, although probably not more than six because his pitch count will be up owing to a lot of walks. But if you can count on six innings from your fifth starter, that's not too bad. We cannot have bullpen day every five days, especially when so many members of our bullpen are guys who need to figure some things out and improve, even if they do have tons of potential.
I don't know too much about knucklers, since there are so few out there, but from what I've heard isn't it true that they can be inconsistent? Meaning if their knuckler isn't working one particular day, they're serving up batting practice? If that's the case, then he would probably be less likely to give us consistent innings. That being said, I think it WILL be Haeger because I think he's the most MLB-ready of the group, even though Floyd has more service time. Danks is still too young, he was the youngest pitcher in AAA last year and I highly doubt he'll be ready for MLB hitters at the start of the season. I wouldn't be surprised to see him perform well in Charlotte, and be first in line for a mid-season call-up.