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MyLifePeakedAt21
12-17-2006, 12:07 PM
Per WSCR 670 The Score...
Terms yet to be released...

Domeshot17
12-17-2006, 12:10 PM
Nice, but sucks for Chris Stewart, I really liked that kids arm

A. Cavatica
12-17-2006, 12:11 PM
Ironically, Baseball Reference lists Sandy Alomar #1 on Hall's list of "similar batters through age 30".

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hallto02.shtml

Anybody know how he is defensively?

champagne030
12-17-2006, 12:12 PM
I likey.

fquaye149
12-17-2006, 12:13 PM
Hall's not much of a hitter, but if the guy can play a respectable, Widger-like backup catcher, fine

MyLifePeakedAt21
12-17-2006, 12:14 PM
Ironically, Baseball Reference lists Sandy Alomar #1 on Hall's list of "similar batters through age 30".

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hallto02.shtml

Anybody know how he is defensively?

Brook Fordyce happens to fall on that "similar batters" list as well... :D:

ShoelessJoeS
12-17-2006, 12:17 PM
Good signing, I suppose.

Jjav829
12-17-2006, 12:20 PM
Meh, I had a feeling this was coming. Not a bad signing for a backup catcher. He hits lefties fairly well and has good arm.

This quote bothered me, though.

"That was funny. I guess it would be a minor-league contract because they're a minor-league team." Catcher Toby Hall, non-tendered by the Dodgers, on re-signing with his original team, Tampa Bay

Yeah, because he really tore it up in his days with the Devil Rays. :rolleyes: He was a contributor to the Rays being a minor league team. He shouldn't be criticizing them.

ondafarm
12-17-2006, 12:21 PM
Hall hits lefties much better than righties and has a more than adequate .265 career batting average and .300 OBP. He also seems more than adequate at throwing the ball and catching would be base-stealers.

SouthSide_HitMen
12-17-2006, 12:22 PM
Ironically, Baseball Reference lists Sandy Alomar #1 on Hall's list of "similar batters through age 30".

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hallto02.shtml

Anybody know how he is defensively?

The defensive metrics on that site and the other two sources I examined indicate he is below average behind the plate defensively. Since he should be starting 40 or so games, I don't think it will hurt the team. His offense is a huge upgrade over Widger / Alomar Jr..

I really like the move. He is a veteran, has started for 3 years (albeit in Tampa) and is ten years younger than our last backup. :redneck

Waiting for the details as to $ amount.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5668/5187642200x150by8.jpg (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/)

"I love it when a plan comes together."

UPDATE - Link (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20061217&content_id=1763070&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)

CHICAGO -- The Chicago White Sox and free-agent catcher Toby Hall have agreed to terms on a two-year, $3.65-million contract with a club option for 2009. Under terms of the deal, Hall will receive base salaries of $1.75 million each in 2007 and 2008, while the White Sox hold a 2009 option at $2.25 million with a $150,000 buyout....

(Kenny) "He had chances to go to other clubs that may have offered more playing time, but he chose the White Sox and we are a better team for it. His desire to play on a winning team and in his words, 'Wear a Sox jersey,' ultimately won out."

ilsox7
12-17-2006, 12:24 PM
Hall hits lefties much better than righties and has a more than adequate .265 career batting average and .300 OBP. He also seems more than adequate at throwing the ball and catching would be base-stealers.

Yep. Career average versus LHP: .297!

JUribe1989
12-17-2006, 12:24 PM
Very good deal for a backup catcher, but didn't like what he said about the Devil Rays at all. I really hope he isn't that much of a hot-head while he's here. Too bad for Chris Stewart though.

The Critic
12-17-2006, 12:28 PM
I think Stewart will benefit from the extra time in the minors.
He seemed overmatched at the plate during his callup.
He'll have his day sometime in the not-too-distant future, I think.

batmanZoSo
12-17-2006, 12:33 PM
Very good, small move which is bigger than probably most non-WSI folks realize.

fquaye149
12-17-2006, 12:36 PM
Meh, I had a feeling this was coming. Not a bad signing for a backup catcher. He hits lefties fairly well and has good arm.

This quote bothered me, though.



Yeah, because he really tore it up in his days with the Devil Rays. :rolleyes: He was a contributor to the Rays being a minor league team. He shouldn't be criticizing them.

I think there was a blurb on deadspin or something about this.

They said "if Tampa Bay was a minor league team maybe it was because you were a minor league player"

KRS1
12-17-2006, 12:46 PM
Yep. Career average versus LHP: .297!

Really? Where'd you get that from? I got this line, which is still very respectable, and proof he sees and hits lefties much better than righties.
.274 .319 .403 .722


Also, look at the guys numbers in 40 ABs at the Cell...


.314 .375 .600 .975

Nice.

oeo
12-17-2006, 12:47 PM
Meh, I had a feeling this was coming. Not a bad signing for a backup catcher. He hits lefties fairly well and has good arm.

This quote bothered me, though.



Yeah, because he really tore it up in his days with the Devil Rays. :rolleyes: He was a contributor to the Rays being a minor league team. He shouldn't be criticizing them.

When I read that he said this, though...
"I had a great conversation with Toby to explain how we view his role and he expressed how difficult a decision it was for him. He had chances to go to other clubs that may have offered more playing time, but he chose the White Sox and we are a better team for it. His desire to play on a winning team and in his words 'Wear a Sox jersey' ultimately won out."
...it put a smile to my face. What happened in LA can stay in LA...until he ****s up here, there's no reason to not like the guy.

LuzinskiFan
12-17-2006, 12:48 PM
Another great move by Kenny. Going into the offseason I was hoping they'd sign Hall as their backup catcher. He's as good defensively as Widger but a much better hitter.

ilsox7
12-17-2006, 12:49 PM
Really? Where'd you get that from? I got this line, which is still very respectable, and proof he sees and hits lefties much better than righties.
.274 .319 .403 .722


Also, look at the guys numbers in 40 ABs at the Cell...


.314 .375 .600 .975

Nice.

My bad. That was a 3 year average. So his last 3 years against LHP has been better than his career numbers. Hopefully he continues that trend.

KRS1
12-17-2006, 12:53 PM
My bad. That was a 3 year average. So his last 3 years against LHP has been better than his career numbers. Hopefully he continues that trend.

Ah... I see. Im liking the three year trend as that is a great tell of where he is now, and he keeps getting better at hitting lefties, so thats awesome.

CashMan
12-17-2006, 12:53 PM
Per Rotoworld


White Sox signed catcher Toby Hall, who had been with the Dodgers, to a two-year, $3.65 million contract with a club option for 2009.
Hall said he wasn't ready to be a backup, but to no one's surprise, he went where the money was. He'll earn $1.75 million in each of the next two years. The 2009 option is worth $2.25 million and includes a $150,000 buyout. Hall will likely act as the platoon partner of the left-handed-hitting A.J. Pierzynski. He's not much of a hitter overall, but his .274/.319/.403 career line against lefties isn't too bad.

ilsox7
12-17-2006, 12:55 PM
Per Rotoworld


White Sox signed catcher Toby Hall, who had been with the Dodgers, to a two-year, $3.65 million contract with a club option for 2009.
Hall said he wasn't ready to be a backup, but to no one's surprise, he went where the money was. He'll earn $1.75 million in each of the next two years. The 2009 option is worth $2.25 million and includes a $150,000 buyout. Hall will likely act as the platoon partner of the left-handed-hitting A.J. Pierzynski. He's not much of a hitter overall, but his .274/.319/.403 career line against lefties isn't too bad.

Wait: you mean the Sox outbid other teams for a player? I thought we weren't allowed to do that. That's what the media told me, at least.

slavko
12-17-2006, 01:05 PM
He may be headed for the "Hall" of Fame. :cool:

SABRSox
12-17-2006, 01:41 PM
I like this move. Considering how much LHP there is in our division, this should help.

I do wish we had a spot for Chris Stewart, but he's got to learn how to hit. I hope that's something he can work on in AAA, because he's got a serious arm on him that I'd love to see for the Sox one day.

CWSpalehoseCWS
12-17-2006, 02:03 PM
Good signing. When he's catching, the Sox might actually have a chance to throw out some basestealers now.

DaleJRFan
12-17-2006, 02:36 PM
Hall's not much of a hitter, but if the guy can play a respectable, Widger-like backup catcher, fine

He MASHES lefties.

This is a great signing. Way to go Kenny!

DaleJRFan
12-17-2006, 02:39 PM
Really? Where'd you get that from? I got this line, which is still very respectable, and proof he sees and hits lefties much better than righties.
.274 .319 .403 .722


Also, look at the guys numbers in 40 ABs at the Cell...


.314 .375 .600 .975

Nice.

I am posting in between Xmas shopping runs... so I don't have time to look up my old post on Hall, but he kills the AL Central and hits very well in all of the AL Central ballparks, and IIRC, especially against the Twins and Indians. This is a very good signing as Hall will make a great platoon partner for AJ against the tough lefties in the ALC.

jabrch
12-17-2006, 02:46 PM
Per Rotoworld


White Sox signed catcher Toby Hall, who had been with the Dodgers, to a two-year, $3.65 million contract with a club option for 2009.

That's pretty good. At that price, I like it. It will be nice to have a backup C who is at least serviceable. Hall may not be great, but he's better than most of the backups we have had for a while. Given that AJ is a LH batter, it makes a nice combination. AJ shouldn't have to face a tough lefty starter at all this year.

I hope this paves the way for a coaching spot for Sandy, if not now, in a few years. I'm glad it doesn't pave the way for him to play catcher for us again.

I want Mags back
12-17-2006, 02:47 PM
Woo-Hoo


I Luv quality backup catching

santo=dorf
12-17-2006, 03:38 PM
I hope this paves the way for a coaching spot for Sandy, if not now, in a few years. I'm glad it doesn't pave the way for him to play catcher for us again.
It better have a ramp.
:)

delben91
12-17-2006, 04:18 PM
I hope this paves the way for a coaching spot for Sandy, if not now, in a few years.

I was thinking the same thing. I hope Sandy can find a coaching spot somewhere in the White Sox organization, I think he'd be outstanding.

As for Toby, it'll be nice to have a solid backup catcher. I can remember games against TB where Hall could be a Sox killer. Definitely not of the Mike Sweeney variety, but enough that I remember it. Great to have a backup that I won't cringe to see in the lineup.

California Sox
12-17-2006, 04:25 PM
Great signing. A.J. can go back to catching like 110 games a year which will keep him a lot fresher. Also, for people who feel bad for Stewart, remember catchers get hurt a lot. (Look at the Cubs last year) A platoon of Stewart and Gustavo Molina would have been disastrous. Now there's Hall who's at least experienced and Stewart's a phone call away.

Britt Burns
12-17-2006, 04:53 PM
Another good pickup for KW...Hall is a solid catcher and won't be as big a drain in the lineup as the other backups we've had the last few years.

Baby Fisk
12-17-2006, 05:35 PM
A decent signing, another box that Kenny can check off his list, and the celestial ballet goes on...

Dolanski
12-17-2006, 05:41 PM
Very good deal for a backup catcher, but didn't like what he said about the Devil Rays at all. I really hope he isn't that much of a hot-head while he's here. Too bad for Chris Stewart though.

Toby Hall was pissed at the Devil Rays last year because they were going nowhere and shopping their best players. He felt the organization was giving up on the team. He was happy to be traded to the Dodgers, but then got annoyed because he wasn't starting. He and AJ should get along real well...

http://devilrays.mostvaluablenetwork.com/ - search for Toby Hall and you will see his comments on leaving the Devil Rays.

kjhanson
12-17-2006, 07:27 PM
Here's a link to his career numbers off of all current pitchers:

Hall vs. Pitchers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6599/batvspit;_ylt=ArOlKmkNgBbelrs5HGE_5zmFCLcF?year=ca reer&type=Batting)

Notables LHP:

Bedard: 11 for 25 .440
C. Lee: 6 for 17 .353
Sabbathia: 2 for 15 .133
K. Rogers 5 for 17 .294
Santana 2 for 10 .200
R. Johnson 2 for 14 .143
Pettitte: 5 for 17 .294
Zito: 4 for 15 .267
Washburn 3 for 16 .188

These are the upper tier LHP in the AL he has faced, and will face when A.J. is relegated to the bench

Combined: 40 for 146 .274
A.J.: 5 for 27 .185 off the same group

Brian26
12-17-2006, 07:28 PM
I enjoy reading the drivel from the trade rumors website. The Cubs fan author will constantly go out of his way to subtly lambast most Sox moves.

Hall didn't like being a backup and requested a trade in July. Today's signing indicates that he just couldn't find full-time work anywhere, since A.J. Pierzynski plays a good 135 games a year.
Hall is a solid defender and his right-handed stick complements A.J. well. He's got a high-contact hitting style but little power or ability to draw walks. Hence, the lack of interest in him as a starter.

Frater Perdurabo
12-17-2006, 08:11 PM
I appreciate Ondafarm's reply since he's played catcher professionally. Now I'm just waiting for Daver's analysis. I've learned to trust you two when it comes to assessing catchers.

Now KW just needs to address the backup OF situation if he doesn't believe Terrero is the answer. If KW does think Terrero is the solution as the 4th OF, then he has addressed EVERY need the Sox had going into this offseason, while strengthening the organization, stockpiling arms for the future, not giving away valuable draft picks, not blown the budget, and not downgraded the roster in any appreciable way. Masterful.

Myrtle72
12-17-2006, 08:27 PM
I'm very excited about this signing! I'm a little dissapointed that we won't be able to see Stewart more but I'm sure he'll be given his opportunity sooner or later. If he could improve his batting averages a little bit I think he'd also be a great backup. I'm looking foward to seeing what Hall can do and well, thank god we don't have Alomar anymore.

Craig Grebeck
12-17-2006, 10:16 PM
I enjoy reading the drivel from the trade rumors website. The Cubs fan author will constantly go out of his way to subtly lambast most Sox moves.


Oh please. What did he say that wasn't fact?

Ishmookie
12-17-2006, 11:59 PM
Love the signing. I always felt Toby had potential to be a good catcher in the majors. He's a fine backup.

skottyj242
12-18-2006, 10:45 AM
Me likey Toby.

soxinem1
12-18-2006, 10:59 AM
I've had a feeling about this guy from the time he became a free-agent. A very good move.

Another good thing about this signing is that Hall can play for extended periods in case AJ gets hurt, or if he has one of those little agonizing aches and pains that needs 3-4 days to heal, he can play. Sandy and Stewart cannot be expected to do that.

Plus, he knows the league. Being an integral part of a winning team, he may finally blossom.

itsnotrequired
12-18-2006, 11:04 AM
Me likey Toby.

Your new Gload?:tongue:

Cuck_The_Fubs
12-18-2006, 04:54 PM
Can he catch a Knuckleball?

Link:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061217&content_id=1763109&vkey=hotstove2006&fext=.jsp

Palehose13
12-18-2006, 04:58 PM
Solid move. Love this quote:

"Playing against the White Sox in the American League, I was familiar with all that they had accomplished over the past few years and it will be an honor to wear the Sox uniform," Hall added. "Chicago is where I wanted to be."

How about that? A FA actually chose the Sox over other teams.

PennStater98r
12-18-2006, 05:00 PM
Solid move. Love this quote:


How about that? A FA actually chose the Sox over other teams.

Is that true?

mjmcend
12-18-2006, 05:19 PM
Is that true?

He certainly chose the Sox. We don't know if he had any other offers or if they were for more money than the White Sox's offer.

soxfanreggie
12-18-2006, 08:07 PM
Good signing. I've watched him play several times as I try to make the White Sox-DRays series down in Tampa (easy visit to see my parents and catch a ballgame with Dad), and I think he'll make a decent contribution.

PitchingKills
12-19-2006, 01:21 AM
At first, I didn't realize he was 31. That said, Toby Hall will back up A.J. just fine. In fact, I predict Chicago's Catching duo will be better than Minnesota's. How about that?

Jjav829
12-19-2006, 10:48 AM
At first, I didn't realize he was 31. That said, Toby Hall will back up A.J. just fine. In fact, I predict Chicago's Catching duo will be better than Minnesota's. How about that?

Pass the :bong:

kevingrt
12-19-2006, 01:22 PM
If you look at other teams backup catchers Toby Hall compares very favorably to them. I am really excited (wrong adjective) about this signing and not worrying about a different catcher once a week.

jenn2080
12-19-2006, 01:27 PM
At first, I didn't realize he was 31. That said, Toby Hall will back up A.J. just fine. In fact, I predict Chicago's Catching duo will be better than Minnesota's. How about that?


:?: huh? I think your prediction is caused by being heavily medicated.

skottyj242
12-19-2006, 01:58 PM
Toby Hall > Sandy Alomar Jr.

goon
12-19-2006, 02:12 PM
Toby Hall > Sandy Alomar Jr.


Toby Hall > nearly all BU catchers and probably even a few starting catchers.



it's a great signing.

Fake Chet Lemon
12-19-2006, 10:03 PM
The last couple of years I was scared to death at the thought of AJ going down for a while. Now if AJ has to sit 3-6 weeks for something, at least we'll have someone who can fill in. Good move, keeps us from being too thin there for a 3rd straight year. That would have been pressing the luck.

santo=dorf
12-19-2006, 10:47 PM
In fact, I predict Chicago's Catching duo will be better than Minnesota's. How about that?
That prediction puts the Superfans to shame.

I can't stop laughing.

goon
12-19-2006, 11:11 PM
That prediction puts the Superfans to shame.

I can't stop laughing.


hey, mauer could always have a bad year and only hit about .320.

Soxfest
12-21-2006, 11:29 PM
Good move by Sox!:smile:

sox1970
12-23-2006, 10:00 PM
Toby's taking Anderson's number 44.

Anderson 32
Fields is taking Gload's 17