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Fenway
12-13-2006, 11:35 AM
WEEI says the deal is done, Boston Globe simply saying they on their way to Boston

December 13, 2006
Dice-K en route

By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff
A source close to the negotiations confirmed that the Red Sox contingent in Southern California is flying back to Boston with pitcher Daisuke Matsuzka and his agent, Scott Boras, on board.
“You can assume that a deal is done or close,” said another source with direct knowledge of the talks.

Posted By: gedes | Time: 12:27:54 PM

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/12/dicek_en_route.html

SoxFan78
12-13-2006, 11:45 AM
Let the Matsuzka for Rookie of the Year, Cy Young, Gold Glove, MVP, Silver Slugger, President of the United States hybe begin.

Jerko
12-13-2006, 11:48 AM
The term Dice-K is already vomit inducing, and I've only heard it twice. :rolleyes: I hope he gets rocked.

palehozenychicty
12-13-2006, 11:50 AM
The term Dice-K is already vomit inducing, and I've only heard it twice. :rolleyes: I hope he get rocked.


Indeed. Say the man's name right. Or don't say nothin.

ewokpelts
12-13-2006, 12:09 PM
From what I hear, not only do they need to et him signed, but he has to have a physical AND league approval by thursday.

soxinem1
12-13-2006, 12:11 PM
Honestly, I'd rather have had Zito.

I hope this guy pitches like this guy:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/jaime_navarro_autograph.jpg

RealMenWearBlack
12-13-2006, 01:07 PM
Although I really hate the Red Sox and would rather him go to another team, I'm glad that Boras didn't **** it up for him just because Matsuzaka will be able to realize his dreams as a major league pitcher. I heard the deal was 6 years, $66 million. That's definitely a fair deal for both sides considering the posting fee the Red Sox paid.

VenturaFan23
12-13-2006, 01:08 PM
I'm hoping this guy turns into Hideki Irabu #2

palehozenychicty
12-13-2006, 01:08 PM
Honestly, I'd rather have had Zito.

I hope this guy pitches like this guy:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/jaime_navarro_autograph.jpg


That's cold.

skottyj242
12-13-2006, 01:17 PM
I was just watching ESPN at lunch and heard it was six years sixty six million.

champagne030
12-13-2006, 01:38 PM
Although I really hate the Red Sox and would rather him go to another team, I'm glad that Boras didn't **** it up for him just because Matsuzaka will be able to realize his dreams as a major league pitcher. I heard the deal was 6 years, $66 million. That's definitely a fair deal for both sides considering the posting fee the Red Sox paid.

The posting fee has nothing to do with Matsuzaka's value as a player. I have never seem him pitch, but if he's anything close to what people say then Matsuzaka is getting screwed by only making $11M/year. ****ing Meche, a #5 is making that per season.

People can hate Boras, but he's absolutely correct. The better a player is from Japan the more he gets screwed in the posting process. What is going to happen next time? NY will bid $70M and then want to pay $30M over 6 years and say, "yeah, you're a $100M player, but we paid $75M to talk so you're only going to get a $30M contract". Had Boston won the posting at a $15M bid, Matsuzaka would be making $17M/year.

ViPeRx007
12-13-2006, 01:40 PM
I was just watching ESPN at lunch and heard it was six years sixty six million.

Those Red Sox are making a deal with the devil I see.

Might as well just give them the 07 WS Trophy now.

Ol' No. 2
12-13-2006, 01:42 PM
The posting fee has nothing to do with Matsuzaka's value as a player. I have never seem him pitch, but if he's anything close to what people say then Matsuzaka is getting screwed by only making $11M/year. ****ing Meche, a #5 is making that per season.

People can hate Boras, but he's absolutely correct. The better a player is from Japan the more he gets screwed in the posting process. What is going to happen next time? NY will bid $70M and then want to pay $30M over 6 years and say, "yeah, you're a $100M player, but we paid $75M to talk so you're only going to get a $30M contract". Had Boston won the posting at a $15M bid, Matsuzaka would be making $17M/year.The posting system is so flawed in so many ways that I would be surprised if it weren't modified before next year.

samram
12-13-2006, 01:43 PM
Stunning. Knowing the Red Sox, this was Boras's offer from the start and they had no problem with it, but they just strung it out for fear they may be out of the spotlight for even a day.:rolleyes:

QCIASOXFAN
12-13-2006, 01:44 PM
I was just watching ESPN at lunch and heard it was six years sixty six million.
I was watching ESPN news at lunch and in that stupid little box in the corner it said "Matsuzka plane in route to Boston."

champagne030
12-13-2006, 01:50 PM
I was watching ESPN news at lunch and in that stupid little box in the corner it said "Matsuzka plane in route to Boston."

They'll probably break into regular programming to show the plane landing. And I'm not kidding!

Fenway
12-13-2006, 04:26 PM
Every Boston TV network station plus at least 4 networks in Japan are at Hanscom Field in Bedford

The plane is due to land at 5:35 Eastern but it is early
En Route (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N611JW/history/20061213/1733Z/KSNA/KBED/tracklog) (2577 miles down; 2 miles to go)

boston.com gave a link to track the flight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N611JW

THIS IS INSANITY

batmanZoSo
12-13-2006, 04:34 PM
:rolleyes:

Norberto7
12-13-2006, 04:35 PM
Six year, $52 million with potential for $60 million with incentives. Cheap as far as salary goes, salary + posting fee = up to $18.5 million per.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/12/13/matsuzaka.signs/index.html

santo=dorf
12-13-2006, 04:39 PM
The term Dice-K is already vomit inducing, and I've only heard it twice. :rolleyes: I hope he gets rocked.
Boras calls him "D-Mat."

How does that compare to Fingernails on a blackboard?

Fenway
12-13-2006, 04:42 PM
Six year, $52 million with potential for $60 million with incentives. Cheap as far as salary goes, salary + posting fee = up to $18.5 million per.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/12/13/matsuzaka.signs/index.html

Boras has no shame at all NONE

In a related note, a source told the Globe's Nick Cafardo that during the Matsuzaka negotiations, Boras was trying to sell the Red Sox on signing Chan Ho Park to be the team's closer.


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/12/dicek_en_route.html

Now they have helicopters following them in rush hour traffic........

Fenway
12-13-2006, 04:58 PM
Massachusetts State Police closing roads down so they can get downtown in a hurry....:tongue: This could only happen in Boston


BEDFORD, Mass. -- The plane carrying Daisuke Matsuzaka, Scott Boras, and the Red Sox contingent has landed at Hanscom Air Force base. Tom Werner, Scott Boras, Theo Epstein, Larry Lucchino, and Daisuke Matsuzaka were all seen leaving the plane and getting into vehicles.
The caravan is going by police escort to Mass. General Hospital, presumably for Matsuzaka's physical, which is required before any deal is finalized.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

SOX ADDICT '73
12-13-2006, 04:59 PM
...The better a player is from Japan the more he gets screwed in the posting process. What is going to happen next time? NY will bid $70M and then want to pay $30M over 6 years and say, "yeah, you're a $100M player, but we paid $75M to talk so you're only going to get a $30M contract". Had Boston won the posting at a $15M bid, Matsuzaka would be making $17M/year.
I can see both sides of it. This morning, Steve Phillips (who is, admittedly, a moron) pointed out that the situation is different than if Matsuzaka were a free agent. One team (the Seibu Lions) controls his rights, not unlike when a player comes out of the draft. He's forced to negotiate with the team that drafted him and that team only. In that case, if the kid doesn't like the money being offered, he just goes to college or something, but he can't just sign a deal with a different team for more. In Matsuzaka's case, he won't be a true free agent for another two years, and who knows what might happen (injury? poor performance?) before then.

Norberto7
12-13-2006, 05:07 PM
The term Dice-K is already vomit inducing, and I've only heard it twice. :rolleyes: I hope he gets rocked.

WSI's next poll thread:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/baseball/mlb/12/13/matsuzaka.signs/tx_matsuzaka1.jpg (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/12/13/matsuzaka.signs/index.html) or http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/Dice_clay.jpg/220px-Dice_clay.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dice_clay.jpg)

Dice-K or Dice Clay?

buehrle4cy05
12-13-2006, 05:08 PM
D-Mat and Dice-K=:puking:

The Immigrant
12-13-2006, 05:22 PM
I can see both sides of it. This morning, Steve Phillips (who is, admittedly, a moron) pointed out that the situation is different than if Matsuzaka were a free agent. One team (the Seibu Lions) controls his rights, not unlike when a player comes out of the draft. He's forced to negotiate with the team that drafted him and that team only. In that case, if the kid doesn't like the money being offered, he just goes to college or something, but he can't just sign a deal with a different team for more. In Matsuzaka's case, he won't be a true free agent for another two years, and who knows what might happen (injury? poor performance?) before then.

The NBA deals with similar issues when its teams draft foreign players whose rights are controlled by European clubs. IIRC, the NBA's policy is that its team may not pay more than $500k or so to release a player from his obligations to the European club, and the player then must make up the difference. In practice, this means that someone like Darko Milicic, whose Serbian club controlled his rights for another 8-9 years and demanded $6 million to release those rights, has to send 2/3 of his rookie contract to the European club. It seems like this kind of a system would eliminate the posting fee nonsense and would leave the price of a player's release to be resolved between him and the foreign team.

Fenway
12-13-2006, 05:22 PM
The Dirt Dogs site has completly gone over the edge

http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/

Red Sox owner John Henry on WEEI's "Big Show"
http://media.weei.podzinger.com/archive/TheBigShow/2006-12-13_Red_Sox_Principal_Owner_John_Henry.mp3


I can't believe the State Police closed down Storrow Drive at rush hour to speed him to MGH....the rest of the country has to be laughing at us :tongue:

http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_347063448.html VIDEO

CBS4's Dan Roche has confirmed Daisuke Matsuzaka and his agent Scott Boras have reached a preliminary deal on a contract with the Red Sox for six years, worth $52 million pending a physical

soltrain21
12-13-2006, 05:30 PM
Please fail the physical.

SABRSox
12-13-2006, 05:40 PM
That is totally ridiculous. Closing down roads for a baseball player that needs to take a physical... you've got to be ****ing kidding me.

CLR01
12-13-2006, 05:43 PM
That is totally ridiculous. Closing down roads for a baseball player that needs to take a physical... you've got to be ****ing kidding me.

It's pretty much all that they have left in Boston.

Fenway
12-13-2006, 05:53 PM
It's pretty much all that they have left in Boston.

this is embarrasing :rolleyes:


Several dozen fans were on hand to great Matsuzaka, who waved and smiled as he was driven away from the airport.

"WELCOME HOME DAISUKE," read one sign.

A radio station distributed signs that pictured two dice and a K -- Matsuzaka's first name is pronounced "Dice-K."


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/13/matsuzaka_arrives_in_boston/

chaerulez
12-13-2006, 05:56 PM
No one should be surprised if a deal has indeed gotten done. I read a very good article on the subject on espn.com:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?id=2693833

It basically states how if a deal didn't get done it would be a embarrassment to the entire country of Japan. And then there are the Seibu Lions who are expecting 51.1 million dollars from all this, so there would be a lot of pressure to get the deal done.

Ol' No. 2
12-13-2006, 05:59 PM
Someone help me out here. What's Boras got that he can get GM's to behave like idiots? It's not even a new bag of tricks...it's the same thing over and over. He doesn't let them talk to the player, he tells them if they don't give in to his demands the player will sign with their worst rival, then he doesn't return their calls, and after a couple of days the GM turns to Jello. Is it some kind of Jedi mind trick? He bent Theo over twice in one off-season.

:borass: You're my bitch, Theo.

Domeshot17
12-13-2006, 06:03 PM
It would be a real shame if someone on route to the hospital died just so Matsuzaka could take his physical.

As much as Boras is right, he could get 100 mil on the FA market, I hope he signs a long term deal and ends up Chan Ho Park or Hideki Irabu or Kaz Matsui. A lot of these can't miss guys from Japan miss, just like the ones in the minors.

Fenway
12-13-2006, 06:07 PM
Someone help me out here. What's Boras got that he can get GM's to behave like idiots? It's not even a new bag of tricks...it's the same thing over and over. He doesn't let them talk to the player, he tells them if they don't give in to his demands the player will sign with their worst rival, then he doesn't return their calls, and after a couple of days the GM turns to Jello. Is it some kind of Jedi mind trick? He bent Theo over twice in one off-season.



The Red Sox on these reports seemed to have won the tug of war. They have him locked up for 6 years and 52-60 million is not totally insane in this market.

Of course if it turns out he is nothing more than a AAA pitcher then

Certain irony here as it was 10 years ago to the day that the Red sox waved goodbye to a pitcher who was in the twilight of his career :angry: ( and who might be coming back to Fenway ) Boston is going to spend over the luxury tax cap they looking at a payrool of 180M now.

Domeshot17
12-13-2006, 06:13 PM
If they sign clemens, do they move Paplebon back to closer?

I doubt Clemens goes to the east coast again. I think he goes back to the Astro's, with a promise at the end of the year his son is called up. I think he really wants to pitch with his son in the field behind him.

Fenway
12-13-2006, 06:21 PM
If they sign clemens, do they move Paplebon back to closer?

I doubt Clemens goes to the east coast again. I think he goes back to the Astro's, with a promise at the end of the year his son is called up. I think he really wants to pitch with his son in the field behind him.

Clemens will go to the highest bidder and that will be either Boston or the Yankees.

Would really be funny if Toronto won the division and wild card comes from the central. If that happened the Northeast might break away from the Hudson River and sail off into the Atlantic never to be heard from again.

CLR01
12-13-2006, 06:42 PM
If that happened the Northeast might break away from the Hudson River and sail off into the Atlantic never to be heard from again.


:praying:


:tongue:

Fenway
12-13-2006, 06:56 PM
:praying:


:tongue:

but how could you live without ESPN SportsCenter from beautiful Bristol, CT?

Domeshot17
12-13-2006, 07:06 PM
I have a strange feeling if Stuart Scott, Tony Kornheiser, John Kruk, Joe Theisman, Jeff Brantley, and 90% of the others fell off the face of the earth, no one would care.

Very much how the world was shocked when Max Killerman or whatever went to Fox Sports (Great Career Choice)

Flight #24
12-13-2006, 08:10 PM
The Red Sox on these reports seemed to have won the tug of war. They have him locked up for 6 years and 52-60 million is not totally insane in this market.


Except that's not what they're paying for his services, that $ comes out to 6yrs / $103 - 111M. The fact that only $52-60M goes to Matsuzaka is really no different than the fact that any player's agent gets a cut so the amount they receive is always less than the amount the team pays.

And don't think that total isn't going to be cited by Bora$$ to whoever is talking to Zito. "I know in those negotiations, I said Matsuzaka should be paid like a top starter, but now I realize that he's really an unproven, high-risk guy - whereas my man Barry here is as proven and reliable as you can get, so he should get a lot more!"

Ol' No. 2
12-13-2006, 08:19 PM
The Red Sox on these reports seemed to have won the tug of war. They have him locked up for 6 years and 52-60 million is not totally insane in this market.

Of course if it turns out he is nothing more than a AAA pitcher then

Certain irony here as it was 10 years ago to the day that the Red sox waved goodbye to a pitcher who was in the twilight of his career :angry: ( and who might be coming back to Fenway ) Boston is going to spend over the luxury tax cap they looking at a payrool of 180M now.They may have gotten the years they wanted to spread out the posting fee, but if the numbers I've heard are correct, they wound up paying a lot more per year than they wanted. Net, this runs to as much as $19.5M a year. Even in this market, that's WAAAYYY too much money for someone who's never thrown a pitch in the major leagues.

And I wouldn't count on the market escalating the way it has indefinately. There are only a limited number of teams stupid enough to be throwing that much money at mediocre talent. In a year or two when all those teams are saddled with ridiculous contracts they won't be so eager (or able) to throw money around and some semblence of sanity will return.

goon
12-13-2006, 11:58 PM
I have a strange feeling if Stuart Scott, Tony Kornheiser, John Kruk, Joe Theisman, Jeff Brantley, and 90% of the others fell off the face of the earth, no one would care.

Very much how the world was shocked when Max Killerman or whatever went to Fox Sports (Great Career Choice)

http://sweb.uky.edu/%7Ebtsmit2/kellerman.jpg


NEXT TOPIC!

SABRSox
12-14-2006, 12:19 AM
Someone help me out here. What's Boras got that he can get GM's to behave like idiots? It's not even a new bag of tricks...it's the same thing over and over. He doesn't let them talk to the player, he tells them if they don't give in to his demands the player will sign with their worst rival, then he doesn't return their calls, and after a couple of days the GM turns to Jello. Is it some kind of Jedi mind trick? He bent Theo over twice in one off-season.

:borass: You're my bitch, Theo.

I'm not so sure Boras won on this one. He was looking for twice that much, but the Red Sox said we're including the posting fee in what we perceive as the player's value and that's that. If Bora$$ weren't locked in to negotiating with the Red Sox, believe me, Matsukaza would be a Yankee.

Fenway
12-14-2006, 08:32 AM
after all this he better not go 7-19 :tongue:

I'm looking at so many work orders for satellite time to Japan my head is spinning. We have requests from 13 outlets to beam the 5 PM news conference from Fenway back to Japan.

The Boston papers have gone over the edge as well.
Boston Herald
http://cache.heraldinteractive.com/galleries/images/thumbnails/929099_frontpage.jpg (http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/?title=PrintEditionNews)
The Dice Man cometh
(http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=171971)By Jeff Horrigan & Michael Silverman
The Dice is finally rolling the Red Sox’ way. In a move that will provide them with arguably the strongest starting rotation in baseball, the Red Sox landed the largest prize of the offseason following a whirlwind day that spanned the length of the continent...

It’s a Japanese stakeout in Hub
(http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=171965)By Karen Guregian
They stood for hours in the rain, camped under umbrellas. They were staked out on Yawkey Way and on Van Ness Street, waiting for any sign of their mark. The moment...

Results will tell Daisuke’s true value
(http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=171978)By Steve Buckley
By April, New England baseball fans will have long since forgotten about what it took for the...

The world’s theirs again
(http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=171986)By Tony Massarotti
When they got on the plane, chests puffed out, you had to wonder if Theo Epstein was carrying...
Fans express high hopes as pitcher hits the Hub
(http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=171966)By Stephen Tobey
BEDFORD - Daisuke Matsuzaka met the public yesterday . . . briefly. The pitcher landed at Hanscom Field in a private jet with a Boston Red Sox logo on the tail at approximately 5:25 p.m. and was greeted by a gathering estimated at ...


Boston Globe
ON BASEBALL (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox)
Decision goes to Sox (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/14/this_decision_goes_to_sox_not_boras)
If they were fleeced by Scott Boras in the J.D. Drew deal, the Red Sox have evened the score with Daisuke Matsuzaka.

DAN SHAUGHNESSY (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/shaughnessy/)
A newcomer's guide (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/14/some_friendly_suggestions_for_matsuzaka)
Welcome to Boston, Dice-K. Thought you might like to know a little about your new workplace.

Matsuzaka agrees to (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/14/matsuzaka_red_sox_agree_to_terms)
terms with the Red Sox (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/14/matsuzaka_red_sox_agree_to_terms)
The Red Sox await the results of Daisuke Matsuzaka's physical to make the 6-year, $52m deal official.
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/File-Based_Image_Resource/dingbat_pushpin_icon2.gifWelcome Dice-K ... (http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bc-redsox&tid=24082)

palehozenychicty
12-14-2006, 10:07 AM
It would be a real shame if someone on route to the hospital died just so Matsuzaka could take his physical.

As much as Boras is right, he could get 100 mil on the FA market, I hope he signs a long term deal and ends up Chan Ho Park or Hideki Irabu or Kaz Matsui. A lot of these can't miss guys from Japan miss, just like the ones in the minors.

Chan Ho Park is Korean. :?:

Fenway
12-14-2006, 11:49 AM
Chan Ho Park is Korean. :?:

and maybe the Red Sox new closer. Boras it has been rumored has talked Theo into trying him out for the role.

Meanwhile
Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka passed his physical and will sign a six-year, $52 million contract this afternoon, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

This is how insane this is being treated in Japan, the NHK version of the Today show is being done later this afternoon from Fenway Park
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/12/14/1166111347_2543.jpg (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/matsuzaka/)

http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/dailynews8.html

Domeshot17
12-14-2006, 12:03 PM
My apologies. I did not realize Chan Ho was Korean.

Fenway
12-14-2006, 12:19 PM
nice work if you can find it

Boras told ESPN.com the contract includes a "litany of personal comforts." Matsuzaka will get a massage therapist, physical therapist, interpreter and personal assistant, and the Red Sox agreed to provide the pitcher with 80-90 flights over the course of the deal, along with special housing and transportation arrangements and accommodations for his wife.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2696321

So the Red Sox just announced another way they plan to fleece their loyal fanbase. For $199 you can join RED SOX NATION and get free MLB.TV and the Guaranteed opportunity to purchase two ticketed Green Monster seats - Tickets not included. Must be purchased. (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/fan_forum/redsox_nation.jsp)

maurice
12-14-2006, 12:45 PM
It's one thing for the Boston media to go nuts, but the ESPN coverage is ridiculous. Last night, it was all Matsuzka all the time. They were calling this story "breaking news" 6+ hours after the story broke.

It's long past time for ESPN to stop billing itself as national sports news and fess up that it's Boston / NYC sports news with some national stuff thrown in, time permitting.

Fenway
12-14-2006, 01:13 PM
It's long past time for ESPN to stop billing itself as national sports news and fess up that it's Boston / NYC sports news with some national stuff thrown in, time permitting.

I'm convinced that the SportsCenter producers ( many of them are from either Boston or NYC to begin with ) lose sight of reality being in Bristol and thus being exposed to the media in both cities.

Oh the NYC fishwraps were watching as well

D-Mat, Sox rev up rivalry
John Harper: After all the threats on both sides to walk away, you knew the deal would get done. It was Red Sox or bust for Daisuke Matsuzaka, so Scott Boras couldn't pull out all of his usual tricks, like, say, pretending to negotiate with a mystery team as a scare tactic.
FULL STORY (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/479993p-403860c.html)

1951Campbell
12-14-2006, 01:19 PM
I can't believe the State Police closed down Storrow Drive at rush hour to speed him to MGH....the rest of the country has to be laughing at us :tongue:



Yes. Yes, we are. :cool:

1951Campbell
12-14-2006, 01:21 PM
Someone help me out here. What's Boras got that he can get GM's to behave like idiots?

It's amazing, isn't it? I don't get it either.

Fenway
12-14-2006, 01:24 PM
Yes. Yes, we are. :cool:

ahh but 1951 you understand us :D:

I have already seen people walking around with Matsuzaka #18 shirts ( and people who had Johnny Damon shirts can wear them again )

1951Campbell
12-14-2006, 01:29 PM
ahh but 1951 you understand us :D:



Fred Smerlas' first question for Dice-K: "hey, you gonna eat the rest of that sub?"

:wink:

Scottiehaswheels
12-14-2006, 01:40 PM
So the Red Sox just announced another way they plan to fleece their loyal fanbase. For $199 you can join RED SOX NATION and get free MLB.TV
Uh... why would Red Sox fans need MLB.TV? They can watch ALL of their games via ESPN.. :?:

Fenway
12-14-2006, 02:12 PM
Uh... why would Red Sox fans need MLB.TV? They can watch ALL of their games via ESPN.. :?:

there is the odd game with Kansas City or Tampa that ESPN passes on

A columnist in Japan writes

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/sports/20061214TDY24002.htm


Acting the part of the stereotypical American, Boras seems to believe that if it hasn't happened in baseball or the United States, it hasn't happened before. But it happens all the time in the rest of the world when soccer stars under contract move from one team to another.

The team holding the contract agrees to a fee with another team and if the player agrees to his own contract, he goes. The economies of soccer are far closer to a free market than anything baseball owners, players or agents could conceivably imagine in their isolated, insulated, ignorant little world.

Out here in the real world, what Matsuzaka earns has no relation to what the Red Sox have promised to pay the Lions. Of course, that being said, baseball can hardly be considered the real world, since owners face no competition within their industry thanks to MLB's North American monopoly.

the media circus at Fenway is beyond nuts
http://cbs4boston.com/video/?id=26897@wbz.dayport.com (http://cbs4boston.com/video/?id=26897@wbz.dayport.com)

StillMissOzzie
12-15-2006, 02:37 AM
They may have gotten the years they wanted to spread out the posting fee, but if the numbers I've heard are correct, they wound up paying a lot more per year than they wanted. Net, this runs to as much as $19.5M a year. Even in this market, that's WAAAYYY too much money for someone who's never thrown a pitch in the major leagues.


Absolutely.

I'm not so sure Boras won on this one. He was looking for twice that much, but the Red Sox said we're including the posting fee in what we perceive as the player's value and that's that. If Bora$$ weren't locked in to negotiating with the Red Sox, believe me, Matsukaza would be a Yankee.

I don't think Bora$ won this battle either. From one ESPN column I read, Bora$ and Epstein were basically in agreement that Matsukaza was worth $100M, but the difference was that Epstein was including the posting fee and Bora$ was ignoring that. Hey, that's $51M that's water spilled over the dam already, it doesn't count. It's not real money. That they settled at $103M - $111M seems to be a lot closer to Epstein's way of thinking than Boras'.


Oh the NYC fishwraps were watching as well

D-Mat, Sox rev up rivalry
John Harper: After all the threats on both sides to walk away, you knew the deal would get done. It was Red Sox or bust for Daisuke Matsuzaka, so Scott Boras couldn't pull out all of his usual tricks, like, say, pretending to negotiate with a mystery team as a scare tactic.
FULL STORY (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/479993p-403860c.html)

At least the NY media is also aware of the Bora$ MO, but it sounds like sour grapes, since they were in on the posting fee bidding, too.

And in a related topic, how will this affect the Japan posting system? What standing does MLB have to gripe about the JLB (for lack of a better term?) way of doing things? It hardly sounds to me like JLB has any incentive to change their method, it's a gold mine for them. Will it require a strike by the JLBPA to force a change in their CBA to make mobility more frictionless?

SMO
:gulp:

Fenway
12-15-2006, 08:47 AM
I don't think Bora$ won this battle either. From one ESPN column I read, Bora$ and Epstein were basically in agreement that Matsukaza was worth $100M, but the difference was that Epstein was including the posting fee and Bora$ was ignoring that. Hey, that's $51M that's water spilled over the dam already, it doesn't count. It's not real money. That they settled at $103M - $111M seems to be a lot closer to Epstein's way of thinking than Boras'.

Matsuzaka is worth every penny as the Bruins beat the Devils in Boston for the first time in nearly 4 years
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/12/14/1166142650_7966.jpg

Word is starting to leak out on how the deal finally came together. Monster meeting (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/15/creature_comforts_were_worth_wait_for_all_concerne d/)
Details have emerged about the talks that indicate yesterday's hoopla was not a foregone conclusion

and the media from Japan is intense
Just days ago, Kurahashi learned he would be moving to Boston as the Matsuzaka beat reporter for the Tokyo-based Hochi Shimbun newspaper. "I will be writing a story every day. Even if there is no news."


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/15/in_media_blitz_hell_be_covered/

HomeFish
12-15-2006, 12:56 PM
Matsuzaka beat reporter? No pressure.

Though, I remember in 2003, Hideki Matsui was followed around by an entire pack of Japanese reporters, rather than just one guy.

Fenway
12-15-2006, 01:08 PM
Matsuzaka beat reporter? No pressure.

Though, I remember in 2003, Hideki Matsui was followed around by an entire pack of Japanese reporters, rather than just one guy.

That is just one reporter from one Toyko newspaper. This is going to become a major headache for the Red Sox as the press facilty is full now. A few years ago you could have made room on the roof but now they have built new seating there.

1951Campbell
12-15-2006, 01:30 PM
Just days ago, Kurahashi learned he would be moving to Boston as the Matsuzaka beat reporter for the Tokyo-based Hochi Shimbun newspaper. "I will be writing a story every day. Even if there is no news."

He'll fit right in with the Boston sports media, then.

Fenway
12-15-2006, 01:52 PM
He'll fit right in with the Boston sports media, then.

Glenn Ordway will have him as a regular on "The Big Show" for sure :tongue:

Other Red Sox news, long time radio voice Jerry Trupiano is out replaced by ESPN announcer Dave O'Brien who if I recall correctly was the Cubs choice a couple of years ago to replace Skip Caray but he couldn't get out of his Mets job.


The Red Sox have called 2 p.m. press conference to announce that New Englander Dave O'Brien and Red Sox VP of communications Glenn Geffner will join Joe Castiglione in the Red Sox broadcast booth next season.

O’Brien, a native of Quincy, MA, who split his time growing up between the Boston area and New Hampshire, was part of the original Florida Marlins broadcast team and does play-by-play on Major League Baseball broadcasts on ESPN. He was also the lead voice on US coverage of the 2006 World Cup soccer tournament. O’Brien is well-known to Sox owner John W. Henry. As Marlins broadcaster from 1993-2001, he was there for part of Henry's tenure as Marlins owner.

From 2003-2005, O’Brien was the television voice of the New York Mets on WPIX-TV. He has also done play-by-play for the Atlanta Braves and called college football and basketball games for the University of Georgia and the University of Miami.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/12/sox_add_obrien.html

Fenway
12-17-2006, 02:10 PM
fascinating account on how the deal with Boras came together..( long read but informative )

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/16/wooing_of_pitcher_was_wowing/?page=full



It did not matter whether Boras truly believed a foreign pitcher who had not thrown a pitch in the big leagues deserved to be paid like a free agent. What mattered is whether the Sox thought that's what he believed, and that he was in a position to persuade Matsuzaka to go back to Japan rather than settle for less. What mattered most to Boras was to protect Matsuzaka's status as an icon in Japan; the Sox had to understand (and Shipley had been pounding this into the owners for weeks) that Matsuzaka was special, and that Boras was determined that he be accorded equivalent respect. And he also was determined that he would do everything in his power to maximize Matsuzaka's chances to succeed.