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Whitesox029
12-06-2006, 04:37 PM
...over 4 years. And we thought they overpaid for Soriano.
career: 59-58, 4.60 ERA
It says he'll decide Yanks or Cubs within the next 24 hours.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061206&content_id=1752625&vkey=hotstove2006&fext=.jsp

chisoxmike
12-06-2006, 04:38 PM
...over 4 years. And we thought they overpaid for Soriano.
career: 59-58, 4.60 ERA
It says he'll decide Yanks or Cubs within the next 24 hours.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061206&content_id=1752625&vkey=hotstove2006&fext=.jsp

We know.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81988

russ99
12-06-2006, 04:38 PM
...over 4 years. And we thought they overpaid for Soriano.
career: 59-58, 4.60 ERA
It says he'll decide Yanks or Cubs within the next 24 hours.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061206&content_id=1752625&vkey=hotstove2006&fext=.jsp
I have a feeling he'll pick the Yankees, they're going really hard after him. I have to wonder if they know about Pettitte's decision already.

spawn
12-06-2006, 04:38 PM
Jeez! 10 mil a year for Ted Lilly? What the hell is going on in the MLB this off-season???

Whitesox029
12-06-2006, 04:41 PM
We know.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81988
Being that it's Cubs-related, I assumed it would automatically end up in this forum. When I didn't see a thread on it here, I made one. My apologies.

JermaineDye05
12-06-2006, 04:44 PM
Jeez! 10 mil a year for Ted Lilly? What the hell is going on in the MLB this off-season???

Jim Hendry and the tribune company is what's going on

soxtalker
12-06-2006, 05:07 PM
I have a feeling he'll pick the Yankees, they're going really hard after him. I have to wonder if they know about Pettitte's decision already.

I was about to skip past this thread, as I don't really care that much about what the Cubs do. However, if it is a competition with the Yankees, I think that I'd prefer the Cubs to succeed. They have very little to offer in a trade, while the Yankees might have something. So, it is probably better for the Sox if the Yankees are looking for SP.

Daver
12-06-2006, 05:08 PM
I was about to skip past this thread, as I don't really care that much about what the Cubs do. However, if it is a competition with the Yankees, I think that I'd prefer the Cubs to succeed. They have very little to offer in a trade, while the Yankees might have something. So, it is probably better for the Sox if the Yankees are looking for SP.

The Yankees farm system is dismal.

seventyseven
12-06-2006, 05:12 PM
The insanity of expected salaries for mediocre (Lilly) to lousy (Meche) pitchers this offseason should really serve as a wake up call to organizations with marginal scouting departments/efforts.

How do you avoid paying Ted Lilly $40M over 4 years? Scout and draft better pitchers! (And when you get them, don't trade them for Juan Pierre).

:D:

Ol' No. 2
12-06-2006, 05:42 PM
The Yankees farm system is dismal.They got a few decent arms in the Sheffield trade. I'd take Sanchez as part of a deal.

jenn2080
12-06-2006, 07:07 PM
Jeez! 10 mil a year for Ted Lilly? What the hell is going on in the MLB this off-season???



Not the MLB the ****ing Cubs. I wish they would throw some money my way.

jabrch
12-06-2006, 07:35 PM
The Yankees farm system is dismal.


It was really bad a few years ago, but it isn't so bad anymore. Humberto Sanchez, Phillip Hughes, Chamberlain, Bertances and Clippard make for a decent pitching farm system. It's not top tier, but it isn't that bad.

Kogs35
12-06-2006, 08:18 PM
and levine line saids lilly will sign with the flubbers pending a physical

Pasqua's Posers
12-06-2006, 08:42 PM
as per ESPN 1000....

$10 million for a .500 career pitcher...hmmm

On a side note, Jim Hendry hospitalized for exhaustion....

Fenway
12-06-2006, 08:44 PM
for the same money he could have gone to the Yankees unreal

ORLANDO, Fla. - The Cubs continued their off-season spending spree Wednesday, reaching preliminary agreement with free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly on a four-year, $40 million contract, FOXSports.com has learned.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6246392

Is MLB giving Fox all the scoops because they are the rightsholder?

Domeshot17
12-06-2006, 08:48 PM
This makes me think Andy Pettite is headed back to the Bronx. Its possible with Pettite saying he wants to pitch 1 more year, maybe he gave indications he would pitch in New York again.

DaleJRFan
12-06-2006, 08:59 PM
Anyone remember Scott Podsednik stealing second base... against Lilly, a lefthanded pitcher... on a pickoff move???

http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=511025&w=2006/open/tp/archive08/081006_nyacha_podsednik_reel_tp_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2006/08/10/nyamlb-chamlb-1&mid=200608111604161&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp350&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl=

Note the score in the highlight... 6-2 in the forth inning. Ted Lilly blows. Cubs fans will want him traded by June 1st.

champagne030
12-06-2006, 08:59 PM
This makes me think Andy Pettite is headed back to the Bronx. Its possible with Pettite saying he wants to pitch 1 more year, maybe he gave indications he would pitch in New York again.

Even the Yankmee$ know that he isn't worth $40/4. The reports I read (2) said that NY had the option to match, but didn't.

ilsox7
12-06-2006, 09:01 PM
What an awful signing. The Cub fans I know are not happy.

EDIT: No surprise, but the contract is back-loaded.

ND_Sox_Fan
12-06-2006, 09:08 PM
So let's see - Lilly's average annual contract is worth $10 million per.

The Sox are paying:

Freddy $10 m in '07
Mark $9.5 m in '07
Jose $9 m in '07
Javier $10 m in '07 (AZ pays $2.5 of it)
Jon $10 m in '07


It is a comical comparison that I just laid out for my Cub fan friends here at work.

Beer Can Chicken
12-06-2006, 09:23 PM
They officially signed him - 4 years, 40 million. I've generally left my Cubs fan friends alone the last year or 2 but I can't resist this one. This is comical.

Ol' No. 2
12-06-2006, 09:41 PM
So let's see - Lilly's average annual contract is worth $10 million per.

The Sox are paying:

Freddy $10 m in '07
Mark $9.5 m in '07
Jose $9 m in '07
Javier $10 m in '07 (AZ pays $2.5 of it)
Jon $10 m in '07


It is a comical comparison that I just laid out for my Cub fan friends here at work.And this for a guy who averaged fewer IP per start than Javy Vazquez. Oh, well. He should fit right in.:tongue:

Jjav829
12-06-2006, 09:45 PM
Hahaha. Nice signing... :roflmao:

Scottiehaswheels
12-06-2006, 09:48 PM
Not to sound flubbsessed but how many draft picks have they lost signing all these free agents this year? I would have to imagine that many of the players they signed were offered arbitration no? As dismal as their farm system is now, can you imagine how poor it will be 3-4 years down the road when the guys they have signed this year are way past their prime and they have no valid young replacement players? So whoever buys the Cubs inherits not only a dismal team but a future dismal farm system, with the only prospect of fielding a competitive team being to spend spend spend in the FA market like the Yankees...

Jjav829
12-06-2006, 09:51 PM
From rotoworld:

Cubs GM Jim Hendry was hospitalized Wednesday for observation after feeling ill.
Maybe he just realized he was offering $40 million to a pitcher with a 59-58 career record and a 4.60 ERA. The Cubs didn't offer any additional details on his condition, but Ted Lilly's agent, Larry O'Brien, indicated that Hendry was fine.

:D::D:

soxinem1
12-06-2006, 10:01 PM
On Jim Hendry's office:

http://steelturman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/dumbass.JPG

Ol' No. 2
12-06-2006, 10:09 PM
OK, let's add 'em up.

Lilly: $40M
Soriano: $136M
Ramirez: $75M
DeRosa: $13M
Blanco: $5M
Wood: $1.75+4.25M in potential bonuses
Miller: $1.5+3.75M in potential bonuses

:thud:

soxinem1
12-06-2006, 10:24 PM
I can't wait until the first fight between Lilly and Lou.

Lou by a KO!!

Hitmen77
12-06-2006, 10:33 PM
Hey, I hate the Cubs as much as anyone, but why is this necessarily a comically bad signing? His numbers last year weren't that awful.

I'm not necessarily arguing against you guys because I'd be more than happy to jump on the "Cubs made another bad signing" bandwagon. So, what is it about adding Lilly that so bad?

Here are his career numbers:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4062
Looks like only one bad year ('05) for him. I'd imagine his numbers will improve in the weaker NL.

Hitmen77
12-06-2006, 10:39 PM
OK, let's add 'em up.

Lilly: $40M
Soriano: $136M
Ramirez: $75M
DeRosa: $13M
Blanco: $5M
Wood: $1.75+4.25M in potential bonuses
Miller: $1.5+3.75M in potential bonuses

:thud:

All that money to essentially add 2 players. I see DeRosa as pretty much a lateral move from what they started with last season at 2B. My guess is that the Cubs are done spending.

Common sense would tell me that adding Soriano and Lilly, though both good players, isn't going to turn them from NL worst to a playoff team. However, the Flubs as always benefit from playing in a weak division/league where 85 wins might be enough to get them in.

Baby Fisk
12-07-2006, 07:36 AM
I can't wait until the first fight between Lilly and Lou.

Lou by a KO!!

Yeah. If Lilly couldn't handle pitching for a laid back type of manager in Toronto, imagine when Lou cracks down on his selfish ass.

WhiteSox5187
12-07-2006, 09:38 AM
This is the DUMBEST signing since the Sox chose Navarro over Clemens. A five hundred pitcher gets 40 mil? THey say Hendry was in the hospital for exhaustion, me thinks he was probably looking for a mental institution or had a heart attack when he realized how much he gave Lily. Boy oh boy. The Cubs are a team acting out of desperation and like most things that act out of desperation they are acting stupidly...

jenn2080
12-07-2006, 09:41 AM
This is the DUMBEST signing since the Sox chose Navarro over Clemens. A five hundred pitcher gets 40 mil? THey say Hendry was in the hospital for exhaustion, me thinks he was probably looking for a mental institution or had a heart attack when he realized how much he gave Lily. Boy oh boy. The Cubs are a team acting out of desperation and like most things that act out of desperation they are acting stupidly...


Or just the fact of how much money they have thrown around this off season :rolleyes: :D:

Mr.1Dog
12-07-2006, 09:57 AM
Or just the fact of how much money they have thrown around this off season :rolleyes: :D:

Maybe the bosses over at the Tribune Tower realize that they're not going to be paying for these contracts in 2-4 years when they have to sell the franchise. Someone else is going to have to pick up the tab for these players so why not spend as much as possible. I think it was a pathetic and desperate move to hire well known players instead of players who have shown potential or any form of solid talent.