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MattSharp
03-07-2002, 01:26 AM
Hey Hal-

I gotta tell you the attendance thing pisses me off a lot. First off the price to go to a ballgame with a family of four is ridiculous. So you have to bu cheap tickets, but the lack of oxygen up there makes it tough for moms and kids. The upper deck absolutely blows, and I knwo this has been beat to death, but don't say thats not a big reason. Nobody wants to spend money out the ass to use binoculars to see.

Plus the workers are rude. My dad and I went to a game last year. We had bleacher seats but we went behind the Sox dugout. We were in about row 20 and the section was barely half full. We would have gladly moved if we were in someone seats, but we weren't. Some usher on a power trip came and made us leave. I told him "Next time you see Jerry, tell him this is why no one comes to the games. Because of *******s like you." I am sure he got over it, but that really pissed me off. And as much as I LOVE to go to baseball games, its a lot of money for long food lines and team taht lost 7 out of 10 ghames I saw last year....

VeeckAsInWreck
03-07-2002, 02:29 AM
The lack of attendance is a dissapointing thing. Unfortunately a lot of people are still upset about the strike. I know people who haven't attended a game since '94.
Who are we to tell them how to spend their hard earned money?
I try to go to games as much as I can but I work evenings so I can only attend on weekends. But I am there in the LF bleachers trying to keep hope alive brotha! :gulp:

nut_stock
03-07-2002, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by MattSharp
Hey Hal-

So you have to bu cheap tickets, but the lack of oxygen up there makes it tough for moms and kids. The upper deck absolutely blows, and I knwo this has been beat to death, but don't say thats not a big reason. Nobody wants to spend money out the ass to use binoculars to see.




That's a bit harsh. What's been beaten to death is people making the upperdeck worse than it actually is. In fact when I go to a ballgame (either at Comiskey or Busch) I usually sit in the upperdeck. I've never had a lack of O2 sitting in Comiskey's UD, and Busch Stadium's UD is just as high (its just not as steep since you are farther back). I suppose binoculars may bee needed if you sit in the far corners, but some of the best seats are in the lower UD right behind home. All I want done to the UD is chop off the top rows and put that flat roof up to hold in the crowd noise.

baggio202
03-07-2002, 03:37 AM
the upper deck isnt that bad..but 15 bucks to sit up there is rediculous...place like san deigo have 5 dollar cheap seats...if reinsdork made the upper tank 5 bucks a shot...the place would be filled...and think of all the extra income from merchandise and food sales...

reinsdorf is and always will be "penny wise and dollar foolish"

PaleHoseGeorge
03-07-2002, 08:37 AM
Boy, Hal really struck a nerve with his new column. I can't remember the last time this many people offered an opinion.

Maybe next time we can get him to write about something constructive. Solving world hunger, for example.

:)

Soxboyrob
03-07-2002, 09:51 AM
I think Hal's point about Parque is a good one in that people seem to just be assuming he'll join the rotation and be fine. Where does this line of thinking come from? The guy just had major shoulder surgery. How often does a guy follow up a surgery with a good pitching season? For every player you can name that has pitched well coming off of a surgery, I can name 5 that didn't. It's just got me worried.

Where Hal is off a bit is this thinking that Ritchie's stats have to be equal to the gross sum of all of the stats of the guys we traded for him in order to get him. That's ludicrous. Part of why those guys were traded is because KW thought that he had guys in the system that could easily replace them. I'll consider it a good trade if Ritchie and whichever other 2 guys replace Fogg and Wells on the Sox have a collectively better year for the Sox than Wells, Fogg and Lowe do on the Pirates. If Ritchie wins 15 games and pitches 200 innings, then he's done something that I don't feel Lowe or Wells could have done in their wildest dreams this season. I'd say that If you let Ritchie replace Lowe and let Glover or whomever wins the number 5 spot in the rotation replace KWells and let some rookie replace Fogg, we have a good chance of ending up on the better end of that trade.

MattSharp
03-07-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by baggio202
reinsdorf is and always will be "penny wise and dollar foolish"

No one has ever put it better.....

Procol Harum
03-07-2002, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by MattSharp


No one has ever put it better.....

True 'dat!

On Comiskey's UD--while it is true that the first 10-12 rows of the UD make for pretty good seats, I think part of the problem is simply the contrast between Old Comiskey's UD and the current "nosebleeds" beyond that 10-12 row zone. Those seats absolutely blow. I agree with the sentiment expressed here for really reducing most of the UD seats to a "bargain" price of $5-8.

Another general note--you are absolutely right about the generally rude and surly attitudes of Comiskey personnel. I've mentioned it several times in other posts but nobody seems to pick up on it and I've always been surprised because it is a very noticeable aspect of the overall experience. I've been to numerous stadia in other cities--both pro and college--and I can say that w/o a doubt my family and I are never subjected to the crabby, rude attitude that seems to characterize the workers at Comiskey--closest would be those occasions when I have ventured into Wrigley. Is it a Chicago thing? I've never been to a venue in NYC, Boston or Philly--any comparisons?

Paulwny
03-07-2002, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Procol Harum

. I've been to numerous stadia in other cities--both pro and college--and I can say that w/o a doubt my family and I are never subjected to the crabby, rude attitude that seems to characterize the workers at Comiskey--closest would be those occasions when I have ventured into Wrigley. Is it a Chicago thing? I've never been to a venue in NYC, Boston or Philly--any comparisons?

Toronto-- overly polite(except for the beer stand personel)
Cleve--- ave
Pitt--- ave

Maybe it's a midwest thing.

foulkesfan11
03-07-2002, 06:31 PM
Matt, sounds like you had some bad luck at the games. I agree on one thing. The ushers do get bored & get a kick out of making people move. My experience with the other employees at the concession stands & beer vendors, etc have all been very pleasant. I've been to 13 other stadiums in the past 3 years and Comiskey's not that steep compared to St. Louis, Cleveland, The Ballpark at Arlington TX andCounty Stadium was steep too. Part of the reason the tickets keep going up is the fans, but personally, I like it better at the park when it's not crowded. You don't have to wait in long lines for anything and you have room to move.

Hopefully you have a good time when you're there & remember why you're there! To see a great team like the White Sox! Don't let the petty things get you angry. PLAY BALL!!!

Cheryl
03-07-2002, 07:07 PM
I have never encountered a rude/surly employee at the ballpark. Even the Security guys who escorted me out of a game once at the old park were polite about it.

MattSharp
03-07-2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Cheryl
I have never encountered a rude/surly employee at the ballpark. Even the Security guys who escorted me out of a game once at the old park were polite about it.

Do tell that story....

voodoochile
03-07-2002, 09:49 PM
I have never had a problem with the ushers at Comiskey. I have sat in many seats I didn't purchase, including a set close to home in the lower deck (towards the back of the section) with some friends and their 4 YO kid. Some people came along and asked to move from their seats - the usher witnessesed us moving to seats down a couple and only smiled at us. If you act like you belong and don't cause trouble, you will generally be fine, IMO.

Though I have witnessed people who have been forced to move many times.

Lisa
03-07-2002, 09:56 PM
Though I have my own season ticket seats that are pretty good, I often have sat behind home plate with friends. We've never had a problem, although that may have more to do with the people we were sitting with. But they've always been nice - even when RPS was swearing at the umps. A litlle too much :gulp: perhaps? :o:

Cheryl
03-07-2002, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by MattSharp


Do tell that story....

I don't know...too many high school kids here.

MattSharp
03-07-2002, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Cheryl


I don't know...too many high school kids here.

Haha, ok then....

voodoochile
03-07-2002, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Cheryl


I don't know...too many high school kids here.

Even better... come on, Cheryl... Give us a little taste... This has got to be a juicy story...

Lisa
03-08-2002, 12:17 AM
We'll have to have a 21 and over chat to get this one out of her :D:

Paulwny
03-08-2002, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by Lisa
We'll have to have a 21 and over chat to get this one out of her :D:

West, have room for another board? "The Adult Book Store"

FarWestChicago
03-08-2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Paulwny


West, have room for another board? "The Adult Book Store" That would be quite the popular forum with this crowd. :smile:

foulkesfan11
03-08-2002, 03:42 PM
I'm interested to hear Cheryl. I have many stories that are too bad for high schoolers ears too, but I don't think there are many here.

alohafri
03-08-2002, 09:27 PM
I haven't had any real problems with surly Comiskey Park employees either. The beer guys in my section are great. I guess the only complaint that I would have is that some of the younger guys are reluctant to tell the smokers to quit smoking in the seats.

TornLabrum
03-09-2002, 01:50 AM
I'm a little late in replying to the comments on the upper deck, as it seems that Cheryl's exploits seem to have taken over, but better late then never.

I've heard all the excuses, from the upper deck, to the price of a seat, to the strike. The fact is, though, that if Sox fans don't show up to the games, Jerry Reinsdorf won't spend the bucks. We had a division champion in 2000 and couldn't draw 2 million in attendance.

I agree with those who say that last year's atart had everything to do with the lack of attendance through the summer, but that just gave Jerry another excuse. As early as November we were hearing Lenny say that he would have to work with a lower budget than last year.

We can dream about having an owner like Jerry Colangelo who is willing to take a financial bath in order to put a winner on the field, but the fact is that Chicago has a tradition of owners who cannot see beyond the bottom line. And Jerry Reinsdorf fits right in with that tradition.

It's nice to look down at Cubs fans who think nothing of paying $25.00 (face value, let alone what the legal and illegal scalpers get) to sit in the bleachers. A comparison of prices between Chicago's two ballparks shows that there isn't that much difference in ticket prices. I'd be willing to go out on a limb without doing the actual research and guess that tickets at the Ivy Covered Burial Ground average out to be higher in price than tickets at Comiskey Park.

We look with disdain at how the indiscriminate ticket-buying habits of the Lovable Losers fans leads to mediocrity, but what can we say about the results of our own ticket-buying inclinations. We make excuse after excuse, but the effect is no different than it is on the North Side. Except we give the owner an excuse to keep throwing mediocre teams at us. He can claim poverty, which is a whole lot more than the Tribune Co. can do without being laughed at.

So if you want to see the reason why the Sox never seem to go anywhere, one thing you have to do is look in the mirror. If you're not going to as many games as your discretionary income allows (and for me this year due to medical bills, it looks as if my total will be pretty low), then I really can't see any reason to complain about the cheapness of Jerry Reinsdorf.

Yeah, I know he's cheap. But we keep giving him an excuse to be that way!

Daver
03-09-2002, 02:00 AM
Well said.