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Fenway
11-24-2006, 03:54 PM
My father in law hit me with a baseball stat that astounded me. He said the Cubs lead St. Louis in wins against each other.

Wikipedia backs him up....I am stunned

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-55_Series

Cubs lead the all-time series 1,126-1,067 as of the 2006 season

Cuck_The_Fubs
11-24-2006, 04:09 PM
The majority of the wins were before the black goat was introduced:tongue:

Fenway
11-24-2006, 04:12 PM
The majority of the wins were before the black goat was introduced:tongue:

but geeze you think in the past 60 years St Louis would have pulled ahead :o:

chisoxmike
11-24-2006, 04:24 PM
The Cubs usually beat the Cardinals every year. But it doesn't matter becuase the Cubs are usually involved in their own race in the NL Central- the battle for last place.

23Ventura
11-24-2006, 04:39 PM
Interesting stat, but the Cards still have a 10-2 lead over the Cubs in championships.

Oldschoolsoxguy
11-24-2006, 10:26 PM
And that's the only stat that counts.

PalehosePlanet
11-24-2006, 11:23 PM
And even though he stunk with a lifetime BA of .200, Bob Eucker had a high lifetime BA versus Sandy Kofax. Some things cannot be explained.

The Wall
11-25-2006, 11:09 AM
scrubs play the cards like its their world series games all the time. I remember Wood, in 2002, throwing a 5 hit shut out against the cards and doing pretty much nothing the rest of the year. That is how it goes...Cards meanwhile beat up everyone else in the league and win pennants and championships.

johnr1note
11-25-2006, 04:38 PM
The majority of the wins were before the black goat was introduced:tongue:

This is the truth.

Cubs vs. Cards 1901-1946 -- 547-446 a .551 winning percentage

Cubs vs. Cards 1946-2006 -- 509 571 a .471 winning percentage

The Cubs have overall winning records against almost ALL of thier traditional opponents because the overall winning percentage for the Cubs since 1901 is .504. But if you break it down to pre and post "curse," the difference is similar to the situation with the Cards vs. Cubs. The Cubs winning percentage overall from 1901 -1946 is .556. But from 1947 to date, the Cubs have a winning percentage of .465.

miker
11-27-2006, 02:21 PM
The Cubs were hot stuff...before electricity.

PKalltheway
11-27-2006, 03:21 PM
My father in law hit me with a baseball stat that astounded me. He said the Cubs lead St. Louis in wins against each other.

Wikipedia backs him up....I am stunned

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-55_Series

Cubs lead the all-time series 1,126-1,067 as of the 2006 season
That doesn't surprise me a whole lot, considering the Cubs success prior to 1947. They were one of the best teams in baseball for a long time prior to that year.

ondafarm
11-28-2006, 12:21 AM
The Cubs were hot stuff...before electricity.

Now, now. . . the most important events of 1945 (besides the Tigers beating the Flubs in the WS) was the dropping of the A-bomb on Japan.

DumpJerry
11-28-2006, 12:28 AM
This is the truth.

Cubs vs. Cards 1901-1946 -- 547-446 a .551 winning percentage

Cubs vs. Cards 1946-2006 -- 509 571 a .471 winning percentage

The Cubs have overall winning records against almost ALL of thier traditional opponents because the overall winning percentage for the Cubs since 1901 is .504. But if you break it down to pre and post "curse," the difference is similar to the situation with the Cards vs. Cubs. The Cubs winning percentage overall from 1901 -1946 is .556. But from 1947 to date, the Cubs have a winning percentage of .465.
I'm confused. When were the Cards founded? The Browns were in St. Louis before moving to Baltimore and changing the name to the Orioles.

I know I could look it up, but I'm lazy tonight.

palehozenychicty
11-28-2006, 12:38 AM
I'm confused. When were the Cards founded? The Browns were in St. Louis before moving to Baltimore and changing the name to the Orioles.

I know I could look it up, but I'm lazy tonight.


They were founded in 1882 as the St. Louis Brown Stockings, then were the original Browns for sixteen years, then changed the name to the present day Cardinals in 1899.

DumpJerry
11-28-2006, 07:34 AM
They were founded in 1882 as the St. Louis Brown Stockings, then were the original Browns for sixteen years, then changed the name to the present day Cardinals in 1899.
Then who were the St. Louis Browns owned at one point by Bill Veeck who moved to Baltimore to become the Orioles?

Fenway
11-28-2006, 09:44 AM
Then who were the St. Louis Browns owned at one point by Bill Veeck who moved to Baltimore to become the Orioles?

The Browns were a charter member of the American League in 1901 but started as the Milwaukee Brewers. They moved to St. Louis in 1902.

johnr1note
11-28-2006, 10:09 AM
I'm confused. When were the Cards founded? The Browns were in St. Louis before moving to Baltimore and changing the name to the Orioles.

I know I could look it up, but I'm lazy tonight.

The explanations about when the Cards were founded and who the AL Browns were are accurate, but most baseball historians peg the beginning of the "modern era" of major league baseball as 1901, when the American League was first recognized as a major league. Its arbitrary when you consider the game hadn't changed much between say, 1895 and 1901, but the pre 1901 records are generally categorized differently, if they're remembered at all.

DumpJerry
11-28-2006, 10:57 AM
Ok, I was getting more confused than a Cub fan trying to watch a pitchers' duel while sober. Then I got off my lazy butt and researched it. There were two teams in St. Louis until 1953 when the Browns left for Baltimore. The Cardinals were there all along. In 1899, the Cards were known as the "Perfectos." Imagine what the headline writers would do with that name these days!

Hangar18
11-28-2006, 11:25 AM
This is the truth.

Cubs vs. Cards 1901-1946 -- 547-446 a .551 winning percentage

Cubs vs. Cards 1946-2006 -- 509 571 a .471 winning percentage

The Cubs have overall winning records against almost ALL of thier traditional opponents because the overall winning percentage for the Cubs since 1901 is .504. But if you break it down to pre and post "curse," the difference is similar to the situation with the Cards vs. Cubs. The Cubs winning percentage overall from 1901 -1946 is .556. But from 1947 to date, the Cubs have a winning percentage of .465.

Wait ..... werent the Cubs called the Orphans in 1901 & 1902? That was another team altogether, and the northsiders are just trying to pad their stats. Should be counted from 1903 on ..............

TommyJohn
11-28-2006, 11:31 AM
Wait ..... werent the Cubs called the Orphans in 1901 & 1902? That was another team altogether, and the northsiders are just trying to pad their stats. Should be counted from 1903 on ..............

The Chicago National League Baseball Club has been in
existence since 1876.

johnr1note
11-28-2006, 02:08 PM
The Chicago National League Baseball Club has been in
existence since 1876.

. . . and they have been known by many names since that time, including (:shudder:) the "White Stockings." But the bolded name in TommyJohn's post is the only proper way that team should ever be addressed!