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Fenway
11-21-2006, 01:01 PM
there is a god

http://www.baseballwriters.org/awards/2006/2006_AL_mvp.html

Chicken Dinner
11-21-2006, 01:02 PM
Suck it Jeter.......:D:

hi im skot
11-21-2006, 01:03 PM
That link hurt my eyes.

spiffie
11-21-2006, 01:07 PM
That link hurt my eyes.
Wow, that looks like a homepage I would have made back in 1996, possibly to put up on Angelfire.

DaleJRFan
11-21-2006, 01:12 PM
As much as I hate the Twins, I am happy to see a new face, NOT on the east coast) getting recognition... its always good for the game when young emerging players get noticed on the national stage.

Good for Morneau. He deserved it.

Oblong
11-21-2006, 01:12 PM
did it have a counter and guest book?

DaleJRFan
11-21-2006, 01:15 PM
Nice to see the Sox well represented in the voting...


Jermaine Dye - 1 second place vote, 2 third place votes, 6 forth place votes, 5 fifth place votes, 7 sixth place votes, 4 seventh place votes, 2 eighth place votes, 1 ninth place votes
Jim Thome - 1 sixth place vote, 3 seventh place votes
Paul Konerko - 1 eighth place vote
A.J. Pierzynski - 1 tenth place vote

Fenway
11-21-2006, 01:17 PM
Yankees fans going beserk over this

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=100355

Pierzynski 12
11-21-2006, 01:19 PM
Well deserved.

SABRSox
11-21-2006, 01:20 PM
I'm amazed AJ got a vote. WTG buddy!!! :thumbsup:

DaleJRFan
11-21-2006, 01:22 PM
Its amazing to me that the White Sox had four players receiving votes. Crede should have gotten a vote or two if AJ is getting votes :cool: Why not make it five???

INSox56
11-21-2006, 01:22 PM
guess it's all or nothing for the sox. how the hell could ortiz place higher than JD? That's pathetic.

havelj
11-21-2006, 01:23 PM
This is good for the Sox; Morneau will push his arbitration number super high and will cause budget issues for the Twins. AND Mauer (plus six more Twins) are eligible for arbitration. They've got issues.

Morneau, 25, said he hasn't even begun to think of what terms it would take for him to make a long-term commitment but said he'd "definitely" be open to doing a long-term deal.
He made $385,000 this year, but is staring at a huge raise through arbitration.
Most players need three years of big-league service time to qualify for arbitration, but Morneau will qualify as a "super two," since he has two years and 168 days of time in the majors.
Mauer, 23, will be eligible for free agency after the 2009 season, and Morneau won't be eligible until 2010.
But signing them long-term would be costly for the Twins.

http://www.startribune.com/509/story/727278.html

chisox56
11-21-2006, 01:26 PM
Yankees fans going beserk over this

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=100355

They are all complaining because jeter got one sixth place vote from someone.:D:

cbotnyse
11-21-2006, 01:37 PM
Yankees fans going beserk over this

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=100355:whiner: :whiner: :whiner: :rolling:

soxinem1
11-21-2006, 01:39 PM
At last, most of the post season awards this year were awarded to the proper recipients, and the acknowledgements of others were noted to. Jeter as MVP would have been the biggest insult.

I figured Dye was going to finish fourth, but I did not take Frank into consideration. He was key to the A's making the playoffs, which is more than the White Sox did, so I guess that gets consideration.

This cannot make the Twins all too happy. One and done in the playoffs, and Morneau's stock skyrocketing. By end of 2008, he'll be gone.

I think George Steinbrenner is already plotting Morneau playing first base in the new Yankee Stadium........

ma-gaga
11-21-2006, 01:41 PM
This is good for the Sox; Morneau will push his arbitration number super high and will cause budget issues for the Twins. AND Mauer (plus six more Twins) are eligible for arbitration. They've got issues.


Actually, they don't. They have a projected payroll next year of $65 million and that's already assuming a very healthy raise to both Mauer and Morneau.

They could and probably should sign both of them to a David Wright type extention, 6 years - $56mm. And realistically, that should be the high end of what they'll get. The 2009/2010 year before becoming a FA is key. They'll keep them both around until at least that long, and they'll have the new stadium up and running by that point.

Yep, maybe in 3 years they'll have some payroll issues, but for the next 2-3 they are going to be in good shape.

:cool:

goon
11-21-2006, 01:42 PM
i wouldn't say i'm surprised, but Jermaine deserved better.

D. TODD
11-21-2006, 01:55 PM
There was no clear cut MVP this year, but Mornaeu is a STRETCH in my book. I think he was third on his own team behind Mauer and Santana as the Twins MVP.

Blueprint1
11-21-2006, 01:58 PM
Good they gave it to the right guy this time.

thedudeabides
11-21-2006, 02:20 PM
Yankees fans going beserk over this

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=100355

The complaining of the anti-yankee bias on that site is classic.

Dan Patrick just said the 6th place vote for Jeter came from a Sun-Times writer.

DumpJerry
11-21-2006, 02:23 PM
The mayor of Bristol, CT. has launched a full-scale investigation.

Fenway
11-21-2006, 02:32 PM
The complaining of the anti-yankee bias on that site is classic.

Dan Patrick just said the 6th place vote for Jeter came from a Sun-Times writer.

Joe Cowley was the writer. WFAN trying to get him on the air.

nyyfans.com posted his e-mail. They want to kill him

palehozenychicty
11-21-2006, 02:33 PM
Morneau still needs to get beaned for his mouth, but I'll take anyone over Mr. Wonderful, Derek Jeter.

cleanwsox
11-21-2006, 02:45 PM
MVP + Cy Young = 3 and out


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Fenway
11-21-2006, 02:45 PM
Mad Dog on WFAN just said he is sick of the anti-New York bias that comes from the Midwest.

MUsoxfan
11-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Mad Dog on WFAN just said he is sick of the anti-New York bias that comes from the Midwest.


I guess it's because the midwest has all the media pull

MUsoxfan
11-21-2006, 02:53 PM
They're yelling at Cowley right now. This is pure gold on WFAN.com

Madvora
11-21-2006, 02:54 PM
I think I'm going to puke. This is the headline on MSNBC.com

"Yanks' Jeter denied first MVP award."



No mention of the winner of course.

maurice
11-21-2006, 02:56 PM
Joe Cowley was the writer.

:D:
Cowley's a hack, but he gets brownie points for this one.

Oblong
11-21-2006, 02:59 PM
I think I'm going to puke. This is the headline on MSNBC.com

"Yanks' Jeter denied first MVP award."



No mention of the winner of course.

I noticed that too and immediately thought of the "Cubune" thread.

cbotnyse
11-21-2006, 03:00 PM
I think I'm going to puke. This is the headline on MSNBC.com

"Yanks' Jeter denied first MVP award."



No mention of the winner of course.thats brutal.

WizardsofOzzie
11-21-2006, 03:02 PM
It's total B.S. You would think the fact that 2 Twins were in the running would split the vote & give Jeter the win. Some idiot actually voted Jeter 6th!!!!

The Yankee bias continues...

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Madvora
11-21-2006, 03:03 PM
I noticed that too and immediately thought of the "Cubune" thread.
Should we start a "You write tomorrow's New York Times headline" thread?

Oblong
11-21-2006, 03:04 PM
Should we start a "You write tomorrow's New York Times headline" thread?

I think there's one on a mets message board somewhere.

havelj
11-21-2006, 03:05 PM
Does anyone have a link to the MVP voting breakdown as far as how many points for 1st, 2nd 3rd, etc.

I want to see what the difference is between a 6th place vote and 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

Fenway
11-21-2006, 03:06 PM
They're yelling at Cowley right now. This is pure gold on WFAN.com

These same idiots praised George King when he left Pedro off the 1999 ballot completly.

New York thinks they are entitled to everything.

chisoxmike
11-21-2006, 03:08 PM
Yankees fans going beserk over this

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=100355

My favorite post...

The Yankee bias continues...

What ****ing bias *******?

:rolling:

MUsoxfan
11-21-2006, 03:08 PM
These same idiots praised George King when he left Pedro off the 1999 ballot completly.

New York thinks they are entitled to everything.

I've listened to two of their interviews. Corey Lidle and Joe Cowley. From what I can gather, their whole schtick is to yell the person being interviewed into circles so those to *******s can sound so supreme and mighty in sports knowledge

thomas35forever
11-21-2006, 03:09 PM
"The Yankee bias continues"? I thought the bias was for the Yankees, not against them.:rolling:

To all the Yankee fans: :violin:

thedudeabides
11-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Does anyone have a link to the MVP voting breakdown as far as how many points for 1st, 2nd 3rd, etc.

I want to see what the difference is between a 6th place vote and 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
http://www.baseballwriters.org/awards/2006/2006_AL_mvp.html

havelj
11-21-2006, 03:23 PM
http://www.baseballwriters.org/awards/2006/2006_AL_mvp.html

That is not what I am looking for.

I want to know the point values for each place's vote so if Jeter's 6th place vote was a 2nd or 3rd place vote if it would have given him the award.

Lip Man 1
11-21-2006, 03:25 PM
It's happing at the Eastern Sports Programming Network.com as well. Two 'columns' up about how 'wrong' this is.

Screw all of them.

Lip

areilly
11-21-2006, 03:27 PM
The postings at NYYFans has brought such a smile to my face. Amazing how personally some people are willing to take what another man has or has not received or accomplished.


And hats off to whoever threw in that vote for A.J.

PorkChopExpress
11-21-2006, 03:37 PM
MVP + Cy Young = 3 and out


http://www.teenhelp.org/groups/images/smilies/hysterical.gif

Don't forget the Batting Champion, and 2nd runner up ROY. :cool:

chaerulez
11-21-2006, 03:39 PM
Yankees fans going beserk over this

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=100355

:whiner: :whiner: :whiner: :whiner: :whiner:

EAT IT STUPID YANKEE FANS!

Cuck_The_Fubs
11-21-2006, 03:43 PM
what upsets me the most is Ortiz getting third place. That guy isn't even an everyday player, and he takes steriods. Thats total Bull:angry:

These journalists/writers can suck my ass.

thedudeabides
11-21-2006, 03:47 PM
That is not what I am looking for.

I want to know the point values for each place's vote so if Jeter's 6th place vote was a 2nd or 3rd place vote if it would have given him the award.

Sorry, misunderstood. I can't seem to find a point value breakdown.

the gooch
11-21-2006, 03:50 PM
That is not what I am looking for.

I want to know the point values for each place's vote so if Jeter's 6th place vote was a 2nd or 3rd place vote if it would have given him the award.
14pts for 1st
9 for 2nd
8 for 3rd
7 for 4th
6 for 5th
5 for 6th
4 for 7th
3 for 8th
2 for 9th
1 for 10th

Its in the link provided earlier

Nellie_Fox
11-21-2006, 03:50 PM
wat upsets me the most is ORtiz getting third place. That guy isnt an everyday player, and he takes steriods. Thats total Bull:angry:How do you figure he isn't an everyday player, and what evidence do you have on the steroids?

WizardsofOzzie
11-21-2006, 03:52 PM
How do you figure he isn't an everyday player, and what evidence do you have on the steroids?
I think he was trying to drive home that he's a DH, but still the steroid accusation is :bs:

Fenway
11-21-2006, 03:53 PM
wat upsets me the most is ORtiz getting third place. That guy isnt an everyday player, and he takes steriods. Thats total Bull:angry:



there has never been as much as a whisper that Ortiz is on steroids. he is also the best clutch hitter I have ever seen. Red sox would have finished 4th maybe 5th without him in 06.

oeo
11-21-2006, 03:57 PM
there has never been as much as a whisper that Ortiz is on steroids. he is also the best clutch hitter I have ever seen. Red sox would have finished 4th maybe 5th without him in 06.

I want to see how great he is if Manny leaves. IMO, Manny is more valuable to that team than Ortiz ever will be.

Fenway
11-21-2006, 04:07 PM
I want to see how great he is if Manny leaves. IMO, Manny is more valuable to that team than Ortiz ever will be.

We may soon find out. Manny from all reports seems headed for Anaheim

Hangar18
11-21-2006, 04:10 PM
I dont necessarily disagree with Morneau being the MVP, mostly because the Twinks made the playoffs. Had the SOX not bumbled and stumbled in the 2nd half, it could easily have been Jermaine Dye. The guy did everything but serve drinks on the charter

Fenway
11-21-2006, 04:15 PM
The mayor of Bristol, CT. has launched a full-scale investigation.

The Mayor of Bristol

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Hangar18
11-21-2006, 04:18 PM
I think there's one on a mets message board somewhere.


hahaha. Copycats

Fenway
11-21-2006, 04:34 PM
Cowley said something on WFAN that has to make me question how well he knows what is going on in the AL. He said A-Rod was better in the clutch than Jeter :o:

INSox56
11-21-2006, 04:53 PM
two, count them TWO articles on espn mlb mainpage about them making the wrong choice. It was Jeter's, they so obviously claim. Of COURSE it was.........

1951Campbell
11-21-2006, 05:31 PM
To all the Yankee fans: :violin:

To all the Yankee fans:

*imagine a certain picture of Johnny Cash*

Seriously, Morneau had a better year. Case closed.

1951Campbell
11-21-2006, 05:32 PM
Cowley said something on WFAN that has to make me question how well he knows what is going on in the AL. He said A-Rod was better in the clutch than Jeter :o:

:rolling:

MUsoxfan
11-21-2006, 06:37 PM
Cowley said something on WFAN that has to make me question how well he knows what is going on in the AL. He said A-Rod was better in the clutch than Jeter :o:

He could have said anything. Those two schmos interviewing him could have yelled him into anything to make him sound stupid. They couldn't believe that he didn't remember what Jeter did during this one game against the Sawx this year.

JGarlandrules20
11-21-2006, 09:05 PM
Yay. Congrats Justin!!

I'd like to take atleast 1% credit because I met him in late April before a game, and he was struggling then. He joked about not signing for me & called me a front runner but then I mentioned Canada. I think he approved of me. :D:

Flight #24
11-21-2006, 09:30 PM
Count me in the "enjoying the NYY fans finally getting a taste of their own biased medicine". But......

Morneau is a pretty weak choice for MVP. There, I said it. As a defender, he's probably equal to or worse than Jeter at his relative position. As an offensive player, he's average at his position. In absolute terms, none of his stats were all that impressive. And he wasn't even by any means the most valuable player on his own team. Probably the worst MVP in history.

By means of comparison, in the AL, he was:
7th in BA, 18th in OBP, 12th in HR, 2d in RBI, 8th in OPS. Those are nice numbers, but MVP? *****.

By comparison, in 130 fewer ABs, Frank Thomas hit more HR and put up a similar OPS. He did bat about 50 points lower, but he was also the most important hitter on his team without a doubt.

His #s were pretty similar to Paul Konerko's - slightly fewer HR, 17 more RBI, and batted .008 higher. Had the Sox made the playoffs, I don't think Paul Konerko was anywhere near the top of any lists for MVP.

Meanwhile, Jermaine Dye crushed him in HRs & OPS, batted .006 worse, and had only 10 fewer RBI despite batting behind run producers most of the year. Oh yeah, and Jermaine plays stellar D at a more difficut defensive position.

On his own team, Mauer out-BA'd him. Morneau did put up better RBI and HR #s, but he's a 1B and Mauer's a C. And Mauer played pretty good D at a critical defensive position too. And everyone knows Santana was the main man on that team.

Hell - Jeter deserved it more than Morneau. Plays a far tougher defensive position, doesn't hit HRs like Justin, but at his position is a far better power producer than a 1B with 33HR. Also stole 34 bases and batted 20 points higher. And despite the star power on the Spankees, he carried them for a while when Sheff & Matsui were out and ARod was sucking.

In general, a poor year in the AL for MVP, but Morneau was a poor choice. About the strongest argument I can find for him is "he's not Jeter".

FarWestChicago
11-21-2006, 09:33 PM
In general, a poor year in the AL for MVP, but Morneau was a poor choice. About the strongest argument I can find for him is "he's not Jeter".That's as good a reason as any. :D:

Brian26
11-21-2006, 09:41 PM
Is this a bigger travesty than Pods beating out Jeter for the '05 All-Star Game write-in? :D:

Ziggy S
11-21-2006, 10:53 PM
quote=Brian26;1417707]Is this a bigger travesty than Pods beating out Jeter for the '05 All-Star Game write-in? :D:[/quote]
:smile: :kneeslap:

Seriously, **** the Yankees, suck on it Yankee fans.

fusillirob1983
11-22-2006, 02:15 AM
I think Johan should've been the MVP, but I'm cool with it as long as it wasn't Jeter.

Fenway
11-22-2006, 08:43 AM
Mike Lupica tries to calm down New Yorkers

Jeter defeat most logicalMike Lupica: In New York, we thought it was Derek Jeter's time to finally win the MVP. We thought maybe the award would be for his whole time at Yankee Stadium. It doesn't work that way. He lost to Justin Morneau yesterday, lost out on an MVP he should have won. He did not get robbed.FULL STORY (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/473815p-398607c.html)

areilly
11-22-2006, 09:43 AM
Mike Lupica tries to calm down New Yorkers

Jeter defeat most logicalMike Lupica: In New York, we thought it was Derek Jeter's time to finally win the MVP. We thought maybe the award would be for his whole time at Yankee Stadium. It doesn't work that way. He lost to Justin Morneau yesterday, lost out on an MVP he should have won. He did not get robbed.FULL STORY (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/473815p-398607c.html)

No one mentions how Jeter let Alex Rodriguez twist in the wind and how he wouldn't stick up for him to the press. Not very valuable behavior if you ask me.

VladtheImpaler
11-22-2006, 05:20 PM
jeter is the real MVP, I have lost all credibility for these votes now. Crede wins silver slugger, but not gold glove, Im pretty sure those two things usually went hand-in-hand

QCIASOXFAN
11-22-2006, 05:21 PM
:unsure:

CLR01
11-22-2006, 05:22 PM
Learn how to work the god damn search button or learn to read. One or the other.

Nellie_Fox
11-23-2006, 12:27 AM
Crede wins silver slugger, but not gold glove, Im pretty sure those two things usually went hand-in-handIf that's true, then the whole point of those awards has been lost. Gold glove is supposed to be for the best defensive player at a position, with no attention paid to offense. The silver slugger is supposed to be the exact opposite.

WizardsofOzzie
11-23-2006, 12:29 AM
Learn how to work the god damn search button or learn to read. One or the other.
I do enjoy this new tag :searchfirst:

FedEx227
11-23-2006, 08:57 AM
No one mentions how Jeter let Alex Rodriguez twist in the wind and how he wouldn't stick up for him to the press. Not very valuable behavior if you ask me.

But he lunges for balls and throws on the run!